Re: Tower of the Ascended
@ Papabopp - I think Typhlosion is the right build to get Meteor Mash, even if the arms are a little stubby, they're not overly stubby.
All of them (Thanks Bulbapedia ^_^):
List of those who would be capable:Code:#1 - #51 (Bulbasaur - Dugtrio) Bulbasaur: No Ivysaur: No Venusaur: Maybe Charmander: No Charmeleon: Maybe Charizard: Yes Squirtle: No Wartortle: Maybe Blastoise: Yes Caterpie: No Metapod: No Butterfree: No Weedle: No Kakuna: No Beedrill: Maybe Pidgey: No Pidgeotto: No Pidgeot: No Rattata: No Raticate: No Spearow: No Fearow: No Ekans: No Arbok: No Pikachu: No Raichu: No Sandshrew: No Sandslash: Yes Nidoran (F): No Nidorina: No Nidoqueen: Yes Nidoran (M): No Nidorino: No Nidoking: Yes Clefairy: Natural Move Clefable: Natural Move Vulpix: No Ninetales: No Jigglypuff: No Wigglytuff: No Zubat: No Golbat: No Oddish: No Gloom: No Vileplume: No Paras: No Parasect: Maybe Venonat: No Venomoth: No Diglett: No Dugtrio: No #52-#101 (Meowth - Electrode) Meowth: No Persian: No Psyduck: No Golduck: Yes Mankey: Maybe Primeape: Yes Growlithe: No Arcanine: No Poliwag: No Poliwhirl: Maybe Poliwrath: Yes Abra: No Kadabra: No Alakazam: Maybe Machop: Maybe Machoke: Yes Machamp: Yes Bellsprout: No Weepinbell: No Victreebell: No Tentacool: No Tentacruel: No Geodude: No Graveler: Maybe Golem: Yes Ponyta: No Rapidash: No Slowpoke: No Slowbro: Maybe Magnemite: No Magneton: No Farfetch'd: No Doduo: No Dodrio: No Seel: No Dewgong: No Grimer: No Muk: Maybe Shellder: No Cloyster: No Gastly: No Haunter: No Gengar: No Onix: No Drowzee: No Hypno: Maybe Krabby: No Kingler: Yes Voltorb: No Electrode: No #102 - 151 (Exeggcute - Mew) Exeggcute: No Exeggutor: No Cubone: No Marowak: No Hitmonlee: Maybe Hitmonchan: Yes Lickitung: No Kogging: No Weezing: No Rhyhorn: No Rhydon: Maybe Chansey: No Tangela: No Kangaskhan: Yes Horsea: No Seadra: No Goldeen: No Seaking: No Staryu: No Starmie: No Mr.Mime: Maybe Scyther: Maybe Jynx: Maybe Electabuzz: Maybe Magmar: Maybe Pinsir: Maybe Tauros: No Magikarp: No Gyarados: No Lapras: No Ditto: No Eevee: No Vaporeon: No Jolteon: No Flareon: No Porygon: No Omanyte: No Omastar: No Kabuto: No Kabutops: No Aerodactyl: No Snorlax: Maybe Articuno: No Zapdos: No Moltres: No Dratini: No Dragonair: No Dragonite: Yes Mewtwo: Maybe Mew: Maybe #152 - #200 Chikorita - Misdreavus Chikorita: No Bayleef: No Meganium: No Cyndaquil: No Quilava: No Typhlosion: Yes Totodile: No Croconaw: Maybe Feraligatr: Yes Sentret: No Furret: No Hoothoot: No Noctowl: No Ledyba: No Ledian: Yes Spinarak: No Ariados: No Crobat: No Chinchou: No Lanturn: No Pichu: No Cleffa: Maybe Igglybuff: No Togepi: No Togetic: No Natu: No Xatu: No Mareep: No Flaafy: No Ampharos: No Bellosson: No Marill: No Azumarill: Maybe Sudowoodo: Yes Politoed: Maybe Hoppip: No Skiploom: No Jumpluff: No Aipom: Yes Sunkern: Np Sunflora: No Yanma: No Wooper: No Quagsire: No Espeon: No Umbreon: No Murkrow: No Slowking: Maybe Misdreavus: No #201 - #251 Unown - Celebi Unown: No Wobbuffet: Maybe Girafarig: No Pineco: No Forretress: No Dunsparce: No Gligar: No Steelix: No Snubbull: No Granbull: Maybe Quilfish: No Scizor: Yes Shuckle: No Heracross: Yes Sneasel: Maybe Teddiursa: No Ursaring: Yes Slugma: No Magcargo: No Swinub: No Piloswine: No Corsola: No Remoraid: No Octillery: No Delibird: No Mantine: No Skarmory: No Houndour: No Houndoom: No Kingdra: No Phanphy: No Donphan: No Porygon2: No Stantler: No Smeargle: Yes Tyrogue: No Hitmontop: Yes Smoochum: No Elekid: No Magby: No Miltank: MAybe Blissey: No Raikou: No Entei: No Suicune: No Larvitar: No Pupitar: No Tyranitar: Yes Lugia: No Ho-Oh: No Celebi: No #252 - #301 Treecko - Delcatty Treecko: No Grovyle: No Sceptile: Yes Torchic: No Combusken: No Blaziken: Yes Mudkip: No Marshtomp: No Swampert: Yes Poochyena: No Mightyena: No Zigzagoon: No Linoone: No Wurmple: No Silcoon: No Beautifly: No Cascoon: No Dustox: No Lotad: No Lombre: No Ludicolo: No Seedot: No Nuzleaf: No Shiftry: No Tailow: No Swellow: No Wingull: No Pelipper: No Ralts: No Kirlia: No Gardevoir: No Surskit: No Masquerain: No Shroomish: No Breloom: No Slakoth: No Vigoroth: Maybe Slaking: Yes Nincada: No Ninjask: No Shedinja: No Whismur: No Loudred: No Exploud: Yes Makuhita: Maybe Hariyama: Yes Azurill: No Nosepass: No Skitty: No Delcatty: No #302 - #350 Sableye - Milotic Sableye: No Mawile: No Aron: No Lairon: No Aggron: Yes Meditite: No Medicham: Yes Electrike: No Manectric: No Plusle: No Minun: No Volbeat: No Illumise: No Roselia: No Gulpin: No Carvanha: No Sharpedo: No Wailmer: No Wailord: No Numel: No Camerupt: No Torkoal: No Spoink: No Grumpig: Yes Spinda: No Trapinch: No Vibrava: No Flygon: No Cacnea: No Cacturne: Yes Swablu: No Altaria: No Zangoose: Yes Seviper: No Lunatone: No Solrock: No Barboach: No Whiscash: No Corphish: No Crawdaunt: Maybe Baltoy: No Claydol: No Lileep: No Cradily: No Anotith: No Armaldo: No Feebas: No Milotic: No #351 - #386 Castform - Deoxys Castform: No Kecleon: Yes Shuppet: No Banette: No Duskull: No Dusclops: No Chimecho: No Absol: No Wynaut: No Snorunt: No Glalie: No Spheal: No Sealeo: No Walrein: No Clamperl: No Huntail: No Gorebyss: No Relicanth: No Luvdisc: No Bagon: No Shelgon: No Salamence: Yes Beldum: Yes Metang: Natural Move Metagross: Natural Move Regirock: Yes Regice: Yes Registeel: Yes Latias: No Latios: No Kyogre: Maybe Groudon: Yes Rayqyaza: No Jirachi: No Deoxys: Yes #387 - #400 Turtwig - Bibarel Turtwig: No Grotle: No Torterra: Maybe Chimchar: No Monferno: Maybe Infernape: Yes Piplup: No Prinplup: No Empoleon: Maybe Starly: No Staravia: No Staraptor: No Bidoof: No Bibarel: Maybe #401 - #450 Kricketot - Hippowdon Kricketot: No Kricketune: No Shinx: No Luxio: No Luxray: No Budew: No Roserade: No Cranidos: No Rampardos: Maybe Shieldon: No Bastiodon: No Burmy: No Wormadam: No Mothim: No Combee: No Vespiquen: Maybe Pachirisu: No Buizel: No Floatzel: Maybe Cherubi: No Cherrim: No Shellos: No Gastrodon: No Drifloon: No Drifblim: Yes Buneary: No Lopunny: Maybe Mismagius: No Honchkrow: No Glameow: No Purugly: No Chingling: No Stunky: No Stuntank: No Bronzor: No Bronzong: Yes Bonsly: No Mime Jr.: No Hapinny: No Chatot: No Spiritomb: No Gible: No Gabite: Maybe Garchomp: Yes Munchlax: No Riolu: Yes Lucario: Yes Hippopotas: No Hippowdon: No #451 - #493 Skorupi - Arceus Skorupi: No Drapion: Yes Croagunk: Maybe Toxicroak: Yes Carnivine: Maybe Finneon: No Lumineon: No Mantyke: No Snover: Maybe Abomasnow: Yes Weavile: Yes Magnezone: No Lickilicky: Maybe Rypherior: Yes Tangrowth: Yes Electivire: Yes Magmortar: Yes Togekiss: No Yanmega: No Leafeon: No Glaceon: No Gliscor: Yes Mamoswine: No Porygon-Z: No Gallade: Yes Probopass: No Dusknoir: Maybe Froslass: No Rotom: No Rotom-H: No Rotom-W: No Rotom-F: No Rotom-S: No Rotom-C: No Uxie: No Mespirit: No Azelf: No Dialga: Yes Palkia: Yes Heatran: Yes Regigigas: Yes Giratina: No Giratina-O: No Cresselia: No Phione: No Manaphy: No Darkrai: Yes Shaymin: No Shaymin-S: No Arceus: Yes #494 - #550 Victini - Basculin Victini: Yes Snivy: No Servine: No Serperior: No Tepig: No Pignite: Maybe Emboar: Yes Oshawott: No Dewott: Maybe Samurott: Maybe Patrat: No Watchog: No Lillipup: No Herdier: No Stoutland: No Purrloin: No Liepard: No Pansage: No Simisage: Yes Pansear: No Simisear: Yes Panpour: No Simipour: Yes Munna: No Musharna: No Pidove: No Tranquil: No Unfezant: No Blitzle: No Zebstrika: No Roggenrola: No Boldore: Yes Gigalith: Yes Woobat: No Swoobat: No Drillbur: Maybe Excadrill: Yes Audino: No Timburr: Maybe Gurdurr: Yes Conkeldurr: Yes Tympole: No Palpitoad: No Seismitoad: Yes Throh: Yes Sawk: Yes Sewaddle: No Swadloon: No Leavanny: No Venipede: No Whirlipede: No Scolipede: Maybe Cottonee: No Whimsicott: No Petilil: No Lilligant: No Basculin: No #551 - #601 Sandile - Klinklang Sandile: No Krokorok: Maybe Krookodile: Yes Darumaka: No Darmanitan: Yes Maractus: Maybe Dwebble: No Crustle: No Scraggy: No Scrafty: Yes Sigilyph: No Yamask: No Cofagrigus: No Tirtouga: No Carracosta: Yes Archen: No Archeops: No Trubbish: No Garbordor: Yes Zorua: No Zoruark: No Minccino: No Cinccino: No Gothita: No Gothorita: No Gothitelle: No Solosis: No Duosion: No Reuniclus: Yes Ducklett: No Swanna: No Vanillite: No Vanillish: No Vanilluxe: No Deerling: No Sawsbuck: No Emolga: No Karrablast: No Escavalier: Yes Foongus: No Amoongus: No Frillish: No Jellicent: No Alomomola: No Joltik: No Galvantula: No Ferroseed: No Ferrothorn: Yes Klink: No Klang: No Klinklang: No #602 - #649 Tynamo - Genesect Tynamo: No Eelektrik: No Eelektross: Yes Elgyem: No Beheeyem: Maybe Litwick: No Lampent: No Chandelure: No Axew: No Fraxure: No Haxorus: Yes Cubchoo: No Beartic: Yes Cyrogonal: No Shelmet: No Accelgot: No Stunfisk: No Mienfoo: No Mienshao: No Druddigon: Maybe Golett: Yes Golurk: Yes Pawniard: No Bisharp: Yes Bouffalant: No Rufflet: No Braviary: No Vullaby: No Mandibuzz: No Heatmor: No Durant: Yes Deino: No Zweilous: No Hydreigon: Yes Larvesta: No Volcarona: No Cobalion: Yes Terrakion: Yes Virizion: Yes Tornadus: Yes Thunderus: Yes Reshiram: Yes Zekrom: Yes Landorus: Yes Kyurem: No Keldeo: No Meloetta: Yes Genesect: Yes
Expanding on the Maybes:Code:Gen I: Charizard Blastoise Sandslash Nidoqueen Nidoking Clefairy (Duh) Clefable (Duh) Golduck Primeape Poliwrath Machoke Machamp Golem Kingler Hitmonchan Kangaskhan Dragonite Gen II: Typhlosion Feraligatr Ledian Sudowoodo Aipom Scizor Heracross Ursaring Smeargle Hitmontop Tyranitar Gen III: Sceptile Blaziken Swampert Slaking Exploud Hariyama Aggron Medicham Grumpig Cacturne Zangoose Kecleon Salamence Beldum Metang (Duh) Metagross (Duh) Regirock Regice Registeel Groudon Deoxys GEN IV: Infernape Drifblim Bronzong Garchomp Riolu Lucario Drapion Toxicroak Abomasnow Weavile Rypherior Tangrowth Electivire Magmortar Gliscor Gallade Dialga Palkia Heatran Regigigas Darkrai Arceus GEN V: Victini Emboar Simisage Simisear Simipour Boldore Gigalith Excadrill Gurdurr Conkeldurr Seismitoad Throh Sawk Krookodile Darmanitan Scrafty Carracosta Garbordor Reuniclus Escavalier Ferrothorn Eelektross Haxorus Beartic Golett Golurk Bisharp Durant Hydreigon Cobalion Terrakion Virizion Tornadus Thunderus Reshiram Zekrom Landorus Meloetta Genesect
And that's the lot x.x - Opinions are nice ^-^Code:Venusaur: It's got plenty of bulk and strong arms, but I'm a bit worried about using the legs. Other ones do so though (Metagross), so probably a yes. Charmeleon: Slightly thin arm, although it's well defined and the claw is clear. Probably a yes. Wartortle: Stubby Arms but a well defined fist, I think that it's too slow to be able to use the stubby arms. Likely a no. Beedrill: The stingers might be sharp, but I worry that they're gonna be hard to use when flat. Likely a yes though. Parasect: Similar to Beedrill, they look sharp but not certain on blunt force impact. Likely a no, much to my sadface. Mankey: Quite powerful fist, but weak looking arm. I'm gonna say it's probably gonna be a no. Poliwhirl: Fast with reasonably bulky arms and fist, albeit a bit short. Seems capable of performing the Punch, I'm 90% sure I'd give it a yes later. Alakazam: It can learn the elemental punches, and I get the feeling that Meteor Mash would fit in. However, I think the weak limbs won't work, so 50:50 on this one. Machop: Reasonable bulk and arm length, very suitable shape, perhaps a bit weak? I'd be happy either way, preferring a yes here. Graveler: The arms are a reasonable length and Graveler's a pretty strong mon. I'd say yes, although the low speed isn't ideal. Slowbro: Stubby arms and a slow speed do not help here, but Slowbro is able to punch things nicely with a spin of that tail. My money's on no though. Muk: The arms seem good and Muk is physically bulky, but the lack of muscles in it will be problematic (A soft slap of a meteor mash), and speed is low. I'd give this 50:50 chances, preferring a Yes vote. Hypno: A relatively lacking in bulk pokémon, Hypno does have natural fists, and with the Pendant I don't think swinging that as a Meteor Mash is impossible. I'm predicting a no vote here though. Hitmonlee: It's the Kicking Tyrogue evo, and although it must have good punches, I think that it would train too hard on tis legs, preventing a really strong Meteor Mash. Possible yes, most likely No. Rhydon: Naturally strong with Punches and a good pose, Rhydon is only disadvantaged by the low speed. I'm seriously expecting a yes here. Mr.Mime: Huge hands but weak looking arms, and not a huge physical prowess. I think this will get rejected, but it is viable. Scyther: The claw is strong and Scyther is fast, but I think it lacks the bulk to perform a Meteor Mash, particularly since it relies on a flat fist, not a claw. Likely no. Jynx: The arms are a bit stubby and it doesn't have a movepool which spreads across the physical world, but it could work in theory. Likely no though. Electabuzz/Magmar: Both very powerful, although I think Meteor Mash might be restricted to the fully evolved ones. I hope not though, and I don't think there'll be an issue. Pinsir: The claws are a bit small, as is the muscle, but Pinsir has a lot of very good natural bulk, and is tough as a brick. Snorlax: Slow, but I think it'll get it on its pure size and power. Mewtwo: See Alakazam, large physical repetoire with a limited physical power and bulk. Mew: It gets every TM move, but I'm not sure if tutors would apply. Little weak to be using Meteor Mash, although it would fit. Croconaw: Reasonable Bulk and fists, but I feel it simply lacks the power to use Meteor Mash. Cleffa: Evolves into Clefairy and Clefable, and it's fitting. I feel that it's perhaps not gonna get it though, due to being a baby mon with arms the size of... something. Azumarill: It gets Huge Power, and it has fists which seem Mash-Worthy. I think this is a Yes. Politoed: If Poliwhirl gets it, then yes. If not, no. Simple as. Slowking: See Slowbro Wobbuffet: It's the right shape and bulk, and Wobbuffet desperately NEEDS an actual attack. Granbull: It's a large strong mon, but it seems to be lacking in something, though I can't quite pinpoint it. Most certain yes though. Sneasel: Large Fist, Powerful and fast, lacking any bulk. Probably a No because of that one factor on sneasel. Miltank: Same as Granbull - Perhaps it's uninspired as a pokémon? Most likely a yes anyway. Vigoroth: Seems perfectly fine, but perhaps it is a bit immature. Makuhita: Very bulky mon with high power, but seems a bit small on arm length to be using Meteor Mash - 50:50 chance here. Crawdaunt: Not sure if the Claw would work as a Mash - I think so, but I'm not certain. Kyogre: The arm is the wrong shape imho - It's a fin, not likely to mash things easily tbh. Might change, I think the sheer size of it plays a part here. Torterra: See Venusaur (Sick of repeating self by now xD ) Monferno: See Sneasel Empoleon: The flippers don't look like they have mashing qualities I'm afraid, even if the typing suits. Bibarel: It's actually quite bulky in shape, but I'm not sure if it would be able to mash things 100% of the time, due to low power. Rampardos: Stubby Arm Syndrome, good bulk though. A Likely yes. Vespiquen: Not particularly Powerful, but physically bulky on body (Less so on arms). Likely No. Floatzel: Generic Powerful, Bulky for stubby arms comment here. Lopunny: If the ears can Punch, then yes. Elso, no. Gabite: Another one which might get it, but might be restricted to top evo. Croagunk: See above Carnivine: If leaves are useable as fists, it's possible. If not, no. Snover: See Croagunk Lickilicky: Add this to the endless pile of stubby arms and reasonable bulk/power Dusknoir: It's a ghost, so might not be worthy. However, very large, bulky and powerful. I think yes most likely. Pignite: Another one which might get it, but might be restricted to top evo. Dewott/Samurott: Dewott getting it makes sense, if Dewott gets it both get it. If not, neither gets it. Drillbur: Another one which might get it, but might be restricted to top evo. Timburr: Another one which might get it, but might be restricted to top evo. Scolipede: It looks like it could be fast bulky and powerful, and althought he arms are stubby, there's a lot of them, and the body can extend for reach. Krokorok: Another one which might get it, but might be restricted to top evo. Maractus: Not Sure on power and bulk, but a reasonably sized fist, to say the least. I think yes on this guy. Beheeyem: It's a space mon, and it is somewhat bulky. Lackiong in physical power though. Druddigon: Powerful, but not certain if the fists are big enough, or if it'll be closer to a "Meteor Slap".
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