case closed?

[Scarlet Spider]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.suspect.ap/index.html

so who buys this?

personally i always thought that it was one of her parents who had committed the crime, considering their shady personality after the murder (refusing to take a lie detector test, her mother having similar handwriting to the ransom note, etc).

but there's something about this guy that just doesn't fit. it seems as though he's just making up his story as he goes, judging by his interviews.

so thoughts? opinions? anyyythingg?

[Magmar]

He's an oddball. Does NOT belong on the streets.

--Elementary school after-school/summer camp teacher

[Dark Dragonite]

I was so excited when I saw the title...I thought you meant my fav. anime with the same name as the title...

:( :cry: :sweat4:

I think it's fake...she had no drugs in her system...his EX-wife says he was with the family in Alabama at the time...He also said he picked her up from school...too bad it was winter recess...

I think this case is a lot like how Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain...JonBenet, like Kurt grew tired of the shows, wanted to quit and have a normal life...her parents, much like the appropriate former lead singer of Garbage...saw those cartoon dollar signs with wings...case closed..."Only one truth prevails"

[Dark-San]

[b][size=3] This case is now a hot topic among the local and regional papers here. Lets just leave the outcome to the courts. However I do believe that he might be speaking the truth. After nearly a decade on the run finally stopping over in Thailand, he must have been stricken with guilt and no longer wish to run anymore. Hence he confessed. Not surprising, if you ask me.

*shrugs*

[mr_pikachu]

Actually, that isn't what I heard. This is, admittedly, a bit of hearsay, but I heard something about him wanting to confess because Thai prisons are harsher than American country clubs (er, prisons). Confession -> Deportation -> No more Thai prison.

[Dark-San]

Actually, that isn't what I heard. This is, admittedly, a bit of hearsay, but I heard something about him wanting to confess because Thai prisons are harsher than American country clubs (er, prisons). Confession -> Deportation -> No more Thai prison.


[b][size=3]He is still due for deportation anyway whether if he confess or not since he is a wanted criminal.

[TKnHappyNess]

If he DID kill her, why'd he wait so long to confess? Not to mention actually telling the truth when it comes to his confession. Nothing makes sense. Are lie detector tests admissable in court?

[Dark-San]

If he DID kill her, why'd he wait so long to confess? Not to mention actually telling the truth when it comes to his confession. Nothing makes sense. Are lie detector tests admissable in court?


[b][size=3]Like I say. His guilt is pricking his conscious (sp?). People can run away a couple of years and refuse to admit to their guilt.

Besides it is not like the Thai police would torture him for the confession after all he is a foreigner. Just let the court decides his fate.

[Scarlet Spider]

[b][size=3]Like I say. His guilt is pricking his conscious (sp?). People can run away a couple of years and refuse to admit to their guilt.

Besides it is not like the Thai police would torture him for the confession after all he is a foreigner. Just let the court decides his fate.


well theres still something that doesn't work here.
for one, the ransom note demanded 118,000 which is unusually low and coincidentally (give or take 117 dollars) the bonus that john ramsey received as a bonus from his company that year.
118 is such an arbitrary number, unless he knew that it WAS the bonus ramsy received, which he wouldnt considering the ramseys have said theyve never met him.

secondly, there are reports that say that it is believed that karr has never even been to colorado. lets face it, he's so obsessed with jonbenet and so delusional, that i think that he just things he killed her...especially considering his wife claims that he was with her the day of the murder.

besides, does anyone find it odd that a guy would kidnap a girl, write a 3 page ransom note using paper in the house, and only bring her downstairs to keep her and eventually killing her? wouldnt SOMEONE catch him during this whole ordeal?

[Jeff]

This whole thing doesn't make any sense. This guy is just a delusional nutjob. Now if this is true though and the case is closed, I wonder what the tabloids are going to talk about now. :P

[mr_pikachu]

Are lie detector tests admissable in court?

I can't speak for other countries, but they are not admissable as evidence in U.S. courts. (However, if something outside of the test happens that could be evidence - say, the guy being tested jumps up and attacks someone, then that would be admissable. But the test results would not.)



Now if this is true though and the case is closed, I wonder what the tabloids are going to talk about now. :P

Britney Spears' fifth marraige and the revival of Bennifer, I would assume.



well theres still something that doesn't work here.
for one, the ransom note demanded 118,000 which is unusually low and coincidentally (give or take 117 dollars) the bonus that john ramsey received as a bonus from his company that year.
118 is such an arbitrary number, unless he knew that it WAS the bonus ramsy received, which he wouldnt considering the ramseys have said theyve never met him.

secondly, there are reports that say that it is believed that karr has never even been to colorado. lets face it, he's so obsessed with jonbenet and so delusional, that i think that he just things he killed her...especially considering his wife claims that he was with her the day of the murder.

besides, does anyone find it odd that a guy would kidnap a girl, write a 3 page ransom note using paper in the house, and only bring her downstairs to keep her and eventually killing her? wouldnt SOMEONE catch him during this whole ordeal?

That is a very likely possibility; I certainly won't dispute it since that was my basic reaction (although it wasn't quite as thought out as yours). But I do believe that the guy was seen in Colorado around the time of the murders. I thought there was something about that in the early reports...

Also, with the confusion over the ransom amount, don't forget that information is disturbingly accessible nowadays. If you picked a person at random from anywhere in the country, you could probably uncover everything about that person, from any financial statements to favorite toothpaste brands.

Anyway, I still think that he's probably just trying to escape the Thai jail. But it's not completely out of the question for his story to be true. We'll just have to see what happens next.

[mr_pikachu]

John Mark Karr freed in JonBenet case (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060828/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey_415)

Okay, let's be honest. Does this oh-so-shocking turn of events really surprise anyone? I mean, come on... who didn't see this coming?


(Yes, double post. It's a week apart, and for a darn good reason.)

[TKnHappyNess]

He's still being charged, although on a different crime. He's being sent back to California to face Child Porn charges.

[lordsalamence]

the guy's not guilty, just kookoo for cakaburries (my word for crack)

[Girafarig]

Turns out the DNA from her body doesn't match Karr's DNA.

This isn't that surprising, really. Karr had a bunch of inconsistencies with his confession. He's certainly a crazy pervert, but he's crazy enough to try and get attention by confessing to such a high-profile crime.

[Dark Dragonite]

I believe someone else said it best...the life of luxury in American Prison systems, is so much better than the jails in Thailand(he was arrested for child porn there too)...it's like hey, would you like to lie, and end up not guilty, but in a cushy jail, or be in hell, no ammenities, just punishment...

He's crazy, not stupid...

He's also probably borderline gay, based on his desire for a sex-change

[Scarlet Spider]

to be honest, i still think that it was the parents. i believe that the parents hired someone to kill jonbenet...it would make sense. the dna not matching to anyone...the additional mysterious footprints.

idk, just a thought

[Dark Dragonite]

I agree...think about it...how many people do you allow in your house on or around Christmas...usually, only relatives...how can you not notice your daughter being brutally raped and murdered in your own basement...I doubt they were out at work on Christmas...plus, didn't they wait a while before calling the cops...if it's Christmas, and my kid is not the first one downstairs opening gifts, or waking me up to do so...that's gonna be a quick 911 call from me...

[Ghost]

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-08-29T002201Z_01_N28369419_RTRUKOC_0_US-CRIME-JONBENET.xml&src=082806_2222_TOPSTORY_jonbenet_suspect_charges_ dropped

Well then, I suppose the case is back open again.

[Magmar]

This whole thing is effed up to the nth degree.

This guy is a pedophile and belongs BEHIND BARS regardless if he killed that little girl or not

[Dark Dragonite]

haven't you heard, "pedophiles can be rehabilitated"...that's why they have a 95% return to jail rate...the system is fucked up...

There's a woman, who had a friend cut off his finger, and put it in her chili, tried to sue, she got 10yrs
There's another woman who forged checks to a horrible conglomerate like Walmart, 9yrs...

Pedophiles, they're out in a year...tops...

I had an ex gf/friend...her brother was 18 when she was 4...daily shit went on...8yrs later, she told a teacher...8 fucking years!! He got less than a full year behind bars(good behavior...duh, no little kids to have sex with in jail) he wasn't supossed to live with the parents and my ex anymore...he's still there now, and she is 20...obviously, it doesn't happen anymore...but she is fucked up to the nth degree

How do we justify this?