How do new abilities work? (And other questions)

[Lady Vulpix]

I need to know this in order to use them at the Adopted & Captured Pokemon subforum. I've seen many guides and they all have different descrpitions, all extremely vague, and I don't have a GBA, so I can't test it.

I've managed to compile this list (http://forboards.tripod.com/Traits.txt) but, as you can see, many things aren't clear yet.

I'll summarize.

Ability: Gluttony
Effect: This pokemon eats held berries faster. Just... how much faster?

Ability: Quick Feet
Effect: if this pokemon is burnt, paralyzed or poisoned, its speed increases 1 grade. Is the speed decrease that comes with paralysis ignored or not?

Ability: Skill Link
Effect: Raises number of hits when using moves that hit multiple times. How much?

Ability: Snipe
Effect: When this pokemon inflicts a Critical Hit, the base power of the attack increases. How much?

Ability: Sun Power
Effect: When Sunny Day is in effect, HP decreases 1/8 each turn but Special Attack increases 1 grade. Is this correct? Please confirm.

Ability: Technician
Effect: This pokemon's weak moves (which ones?) increase in power. How much?

And how exactly does Poison Heal work? Each guide says something different! Can someone test it, please?

As you may see, there are other things on that file in addition to the ability lists. If you could help me complete those too, I'd be very grateful (and add your name to the credits).

Thanks in advance.

[Pokemaster Ash]

Poison Heal, according to Serebii.net (they'd be the experts, I'd say), causes HP recovery when afflicted by a status condition.

I'm afraid I can't help you with the specifics of any of the rest. I assume Technician aids attacks with a low base power (Triple Kick might apply). By how much, I don't know.

[mr_pikachu]

Unfortunately, I really don't have a clue about the new abilities, as I don't have an import and I'm not fond of ROMs.

However, with the 2 vs. 2 battle moves... I know it's a really small thing, but doesn't Mist work on both you and your partner? I don't know how I thought of that, but it seems like that was how it worked.


EDIT: And I thought Ancientpower hit both opponents, although I'm not as sure about that one.

[+conspiracy+]

Gluttony: I'd guess that the berry would be eaten either at 1/3 HP or 1/2...

Quick Feet: the speed decrease would be negated, its just like how Guts works, even though the poke is burned, its attack is still increased instead of halved then increased

Skill Link: well seeing as how only shellder and cloyster recieve this ability, im guessing it only has to do with spike cannon, and to make the ability at least a bit useful, the number of times it would have hit probably doubles

all i know

[Lady Vulpix]

The list at Serebii is the first one I saw. I started looking for others because the descriptions I found there were too vague. Does anyone have the games? Could you please run some tests?

[Blademaster]

Skill Link: well seeing as how only shellder and cloyster recieve this ability, im guessing it only has to do with spike cannon, and to make the ability at least a bit useful, the number of times it would have hit probably doubles

It could also work on Icicle Spear...

And doubling sounds kinda high to me - it probably just increases the hit count by two or another set number.

[+conspiracy+]

=O overlooked icicle spear but the amount of times being doubled still wont make it a better attack then ice beam

[Lady Vulpix]

I got some helpfrom a guy at Clockwork Mansion. The following questions remain.

Ability: Quick Feet
Effect: if this pokemon is burnt, paralyzed or poisoned, its speed increases 1 grade. Is the speed decrease that comes with paralysis ignored or not?

Ability: Skill Link
Effect: Raises number of hits when using moves that hit multiple times. How much? Options: 1 more hit, a random chance (what chance?) of an extra hit for each successful hit, a random chance (what chance?) of an extra hit each time the attack is issued, still 2-5 hits but the chance of getting more hits is higher (how much higher?).

Ability: Sun Power
Effect: When Sunny Day is in effect, HP decreases 1/8 each turn but Special Attack increases 1 grade. Is this correct? Please confirm.

How exactly does Poison Heal work? Each guide says something different! Could you test it, please?

There are some attacks that require physical contact and others that don't (this affects abilities like Cute Charm, Rough Skin and Static). Are the ones that do the same attacks that are classed as Physical (as opposed of Special) in Diamond/Pearl?

[The Blue Avenger]

Gabi: in regards to your last question, no, they're not the same. The attacks that triggered Rough Skin in RSE do the same in DP - for example, Earthquake, which is still based on Attack, won't trigger it.

I'm not sure which new attacks trigger it, though.

[Perfect Chaos]

I'm assuming that any Pokemon that uses an attack that involves BODILY contact (such as Body Slam, Tackle, Bite, Crunch, etc.) will be affected by Rough Skin.

At least, I'm pretty sure that's how it worked in R/S/E and I'm assuming they'll keep it that way for D/P as well.

[Lady Vulpix]

But in DP physical and special attacks don't depend on their types. All attacks that require bodily contect on RSE are physical on DP, most moves that weren't on that list are special on DP (save for Cubone's bone moves). And I haven't been able to find any lists of DP moves that mention whether they involve bodily contact or not.

[The Blue Avenger]

Oh, Gabi, www.psypokes.com has a TechDex. They list what attacks are direct and which ones aren't. They don't have all the new attacks labelled, but they have them regardless.

[Lady Vulpix]

Ah, that's good. Until the attacks are labeled I don't think there's an easy way to know which is which, but once they are, that will become a useful resource. Thanks.

[Number1ChanseyFan]

Ah, that's good. Until the attacks are labeled I don't think there's an easy way to know which is which, but once they are, that will become a useful resource. Thanks.
Gabi: Do you still want a list of the new attacks and if they involve the Pokemon making physical contact? I can put together a list if you would like.

[Lady Vulpix]

That would be great, Christen. If you give me that list, I'll put your name on the credits. :)

[Number1ChanseyFan]

Ok great, I am posting this, it isn't finished close to being finished yet, but I will edit this post until I have everything finished. Let me know if this format for this list is ok and what you are looking for, and if you want/need something else on it.

Ace (Normal/Special/Makes Contact)

Air Slash (Flying/Special/No Contact)

Ambush (Dark/Physical/Makes Contact)

Anticipate (Normal/Physical/No Contact)

Aqua Jet (Water/Physical/Makes Contact)

Aqua Ring (Water/Other/No Contact)

Aqua Tail (Water/Physical/Makes Contact)

Arm Hammer (Fighting/Physical/Makes Contact)

Attack Command (Bug/Physical/No Contact)

Awaken Slap (Fighting/Physical/Makes Contact)

Beak Peck (Flying/Physical/Makes Contact)

Blabber (Flying/Special/Makes Contact)

Blade Test (Dark/Physical/Makes Contact)

Brave Bird (Flying/Physical/No Contact)

Bug Devour (Bug/Physical/Makes Contact)

Bug Upheavel (Bug/Special/No Contact)

Charge Beam (Electric/Special/No Contact)

Cross Poison (Poison/Physical/Makes Contact)

Dark Hall (Dark/Other/Makes Contact)

Dark Pulse (Dark/Special/No Contact)

Defense Command (Bug/Other/No Contact)

Digestive Juice (Poison/Other/No Contact)

Discharge (Electric/Special/No Contact)

Double Attack (Normal/Physical/Makes Contact)

Double Headbutt (Rock/Physical/No Contact)

Dragon Dive (Dragon/Physical/Makes Contact)

Dragon Pulse (Dragon/Special/No Contact)

Drain Punch (Fighting/Physical/Makes Contact)

Dust Shoot (Poison/Physical/No Contact)

Eerie Wind (Ghost/Special/No Contact)

Electrolevitate (Electric/Other/No Contact)

Energy Ball (Grass/Special/No Contact)

Entice (Normal/Other/Makes Contact)

Feather Rest (Flying/Other/No Contact)

Feint (Normal/Other/No Contact)

Fire Fang (Fire/Physical/Makes Contact)

Flare Drive (Fire/Physical/No Contact)

Focus Bomb (Fighting/Special/No Contact)

Fog Clear (Flying/Other/No Contact)

Force Exert (Fighting/Physical/Makes Contact)

Freeze (Dark/Other/No Contact)

Giga Attack (Normal/Physical/No Contact)

Grass Rope (Grass/Special/Makes Contact)

Gravity (Psychic/Other/No Contact)

Guard Swap (Psychic/Other/No Contact)

Gyro Ball (Steel/Physical/Makes Contact)

Heal Wish (Psychic/Other/No Contact)

Heart Swap (Psychic/Other/No Contact)

Hurl (Dark/Physical/No Contact)

Ice Fang (Ice/Physical/Makes Contact)

Ice Pebble (Ice/Physical/No Contact)

Imitate (Normal/Other/No Contact) (This move is listed as not making contact, but I believe that since this move copies the last move that the enemy used, if this move copies a move that used Physical contact, then it will result in the Pokemon using Imitate making Physical contact with the enemy.)

In Fight (Fighting/Physical/No Contact)

Iron Head (Steel/Physical/Makes Contact)

Judgement Pebble (Normal/Special/No Contact)

Land Power (Ground/Special/No Contact)

Leaf Storm (Grass/Special/No Contact)

Luster Cannon (Steel/Special/No Contact)

Magma Storm (Fire/Special/No Contact)

Magnet Bomb (Steel/Physical/No Contact)

Metal Burst (Steel/Physical/No Contact)

Meteroric Swarm (Dragon/Special/No Contact)

Mighty Guard (Psychic/Other/No Contact)

Miracle Eye (Psychic/Other/No Contact)

Mirror Shot (Steel/Special/No Contact)

Mud Bomb (Ground/Special/No Contact)

Nature Blessing (Normal/Physical/Makes Contact)

Palette Punch (Steel/Physical/Makes Contact)

Point Strike (Normal/Other/No Contact)

Poison Spikes (Poison/Other/No Contact)

Poison Stab (Poison/Physical/Makes Contact)

Power Gem (Rock/Special/No Contact)

Power Swap (Psychic/Other/No Contact)

Power Trick (Psychic/Other/No Contact)

Power Whip (Grass/Physical/No Contact)

Prayer (Normal/Other/No Contact)

Psycho Cutter (Psychic/Physical/No Contact)

Psycho Shift (Psychic/Other/No Contact)

Pulse Bomb (Fighting/Special/No Contact)

Punish (Dark/Physical/Makes Contact)

Quick Revenge (Dark/Physical/Makes Contact)

Reminiscant Headbutt (Psychic/Physical/Makes Contact)

Repeat (Dark/Physical/Makes Contact)

Restore Command (Bug/Other/No Contact)

Restore Imprison (Psychic/Other/No Contact)

Rock Cannon (Rock/Physical/No Contact)

Rock Cart (Rock/Other/No Contact)

Rock Climb (Normal/Physical/Makes Contact)

Scheme (Dark/Other/No Contact)

Scissor Cross (Bug/Physical/Makes Contact)

Seed Bomb (Grass/Physical/No Contact)

Seed Flare (Grass/Special/No Contact)

Shadow Claw (Ghost/Physical/Makes Contact)

Shadow Drive (Ghost/Physical/Makes Contact)

Shadow Strike (Ghost/Physical/Makes Contact)

Smoke Erupt (Fire/Special/No Contact)

Sneak (Dark/Other/No Contact)

Snow Slide (Ice/Physical/Makes Contact)

Somersault (Bug/Physical/Makes Contact)

Space Break (Dragon/Special/No Contract)

Squash (Normal/Physical/Makes Contact)

Squeeze (Normal/Special/Makes Contact)

Stealth Rock (Rock/Other/No Contact)

Stone Edge (Rock/Physical/No Contact)

Tail Wind (Flying/Other/No Contact)

Thunder Fang (Electric/Physical/Makes Contact)

Tide (Water/Special/No Contact)

Time Roar (Dragon/Special/No Contract)

Treasure (Normal/Physical/Makes Contact)

Trick Room (Psychic/Other/No Contact)

Trouble Seed (Grass/Other/No Contact)

Vacuum Blade (Fighting/Special/No Contact)

Wood Hammer (Grass/Physical/Makes Contact)


~Contact Moves~
Ace
Ambush
Aqua Jet
Aqua Tail
Arm Hammer
Awaken Slap
Beak Peck
Blabber
Blade Test
Bug Devour
Cross Poison
Dark Hall
Double Attack
Dragon Dive
Drain Punch
Entice
Fire Fang
Force Exert
Grass Rope
Gyro Ball
Ice Fang
Iron Head
Nature Blessing
Palette Punch
Poison Stab
Punish
Quick Revenge
Reminiscant Headbutt
Repeat
Rock Climb
Scissors Cross
Shadow Claw
Shadow Drive
Shadow Strike
Snow Slide
Somersault
Squash
Squeeze
Thunder Fang
Treasure
Wood Hammer


~Non-Contact Moves~
Air Slash
Anticipate
Aqua Ring
Attack Command
Brave Bird
Bug Upheavel
Charge Beam
Dark Pulse
Defense Command
Digestive Juice
Discharge
Double Headbutt
Dragon Pulse
Dust Shoot
Eerie Wind
Electrolevitate
Energy Ball
Feather Rest
Feint
Flare Drive
Focus Bomb
Fog Clear
Freeze
Giga Attack
Gravity
Guard Swap
Heal Wish
Heart Swap
Hurl
Ice Pebble
*Imitate
In Fight
Judgement Pebble
Land Power
Leaf Storm
Luster Cannon
Magma Storm
Magnet Bomb
Metal Burst
Meteroic Swarm
Mighty Guard
Mirror Shot
Mud Bomb
Point Strike
Poison Spikes
Power Gem
Power Swap
Power Trick
Power Whip
Prayer
Psycho Cutter
Psycho Shift
Pulse Bomb
Restore Command
Restore Imprison
Rock Cannon
Rock Cart
Scheme
Seed Bomb
Seed Flare
Smoke Erupt
Sneak
Space Break
Stealth Rock
Stone Edge
Tail Wind
Tide
Time Roar
Trick Room
Trouble Seed
Vacuum Blade

[Lady Vulpix]

Wow, you're putting a lot of effort on that, Christen! I don't really need that much detail. Just a list of the moves that involve bodily contact.

[Number1ChanseyFan]

Wow, you're putting a lot of effort on that, Christen! I don't really need that much detail. Just a list of the moves that involve bodily contact.

Oh, that's ok!! I am putting a seperate list at the bottom of my list that just divides moves by those that make contact and those that don't. Everything is finished now!!

[Lady Vulpix]

Thanks a lot, Christen! I've updated the file (http://forboards.tripod.com/Traits.txt) now. :)