New Pokémon Game Legendaries..

[Zallarion]

I was just wondering.. when a new game comes out for a handheld system..(maybe on a sequel to the DS) what will the Legendary's power be?
Like..

FireRed/Red and blue/Leafgreen: Mewtwo most poweful pokémon in the world.
Gold/Silver: Ho-Oh Guardian of skies, Lugia Guardian of seas.
Sapphire/Ruby: Kyogre Controls(expands) Oceans, Groudon: Controls/expands Land.
Emerald: Rayquaza serves as balance for Kyogre and Groudon
Pearl/diamond: Palkia and Dialga control time and space, Arceus has power over everything or something..
Platinum: Giratina Has power over dimensions

and then what? Pokemon Wood? Maybe Rock?
I don't think there will be any good new Legendary's..
I think they did all they could.. and it's going down from now on.. i will keep buying their games.. but i don't think they will stun me like they did in the past..

What are your opinions? where do you think it will go? will grow?
This was my opinion, tell me yours..

N2KOT

[classy_cat18]

Maybe Pokemon that control day and night. That would be pretty cool.

[Zallarion]

Yeah, but wouldn't that be a step back?

[classy_cat18]

Not really. Oh, and the three legendary birds (Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres) were the legendaries in Fire Red/Leaf Green. Although Mewtwo is considered a Legendary by stats, he's not in terms of background. He's a freak of science (no offense to the psychic kitty).

[Zallarion]

He is a Uber right? and all Ubers are legendary?

[Heald]

Meh, it depends how you define Legendary. If you mean a special pokemon that there is only one of, then Mewtwo fits. And by one of, I don't mean one that you can ever have, I mean only one that actually exists in the canon of Pokemon.

[Zallarion]

well.. every pokémon of which only one exists in multiple games is legendary by definition if you ask me..

[Jeff]

When they did legendaries representing the land, sea, and air, I didn't know what else could be personified (or pokemonified) into a legendary, then they did time and space. There will always be more ideas for new legendaries.

[Zallarion]

I'm not saying there won't i'm just saying they might get crappy.. lol..
I just think they will lose originality..
Like.. day and night.. it's a step back..
they drew a line.. so unless they make something up.. Arceus is the most powerful pokémon in existence?

[classy_cat18]

I guess so. It is known as the Creation Pokemon.

[Zallarion]

Maybe they will do an Arceus game.. in a whole different setting?
Like they did with Suicune?

[Jeff]

I don't think they have to keep making legendaries more and more powerful. I'd rather see original ideas as legendaries than a series of successively more powerful concepts being made into pokemon. All a pokemon needs to be legendary is for it to have a legend associated with it, and high stats help too. Even if they went back to something GSCesqe where the two legendaries were simply the subject of a local legend, I'd be happy.

[Zallarion]

To take a sidetrack here, they won't go back to GSC because then some people would've caught all emerald pokémon for no reason.. lol..
Because that was the only way to obtain the gsc starters
But, when i look at the bigger issues, i guess you're right, i just think they went to fast, like classic cat said they shouldve taken smaller steps like day and night..
I just realize this kind of resembles the 7 days in the bible:p

[mr_pikachu]

Meh, it depends how you define Legendary. If you mean a special pokemon that there is only one of, then Mewtwo fits. And by one of, I don't mean one that you can ever have, I mean only one that actually exists in the canon of Pokemon.

Heck, even that definition is subject to the definition of "canon." Just about anyone familiar with the idea of legendary Pokemon would define Lugia as a legendary Pokemon, yet during the Whirl Islands sub-arc (within Johto) we saw a mother Lugia with her baby. Does that keep Lugia from being a legendary? What about Deoxys, which had a twin in the Destiny Deoxys movie?

As for the progression of apparently more and more powerful legendaries, if Nintendo and Game Freak keep going in that direction then they could encounter problems. I agree, though, that the important thing is a cool "legend" of sorts behind the top-tier, unique (at least in the games) Pokemon. If they treat it that way, then we could see a nearly endless progression of legendary Pokemon. Of course, if they insist on adding 20 legendaries to each game, then....

[Zallarion]

There's nothing I could add.. I agree for 100%

[Jeff]

That's the problem. They insist on making the legendary offering in each generation bigger and badder. In the beginning there were only 5, the main one being a scientific experiment gone wrong. In gen 2, the two main legendaries were ancient birds from a local legend. In gen 3, they were the embodiments of land, sea, and air, plus we had the regis and latis. In gen 4, we now have the embodiments of time and space, which are really just different manifestations of another pokemon (Arcues), making them a reference to spacetime, the very fabric of the Universe, and also (perhaps inadvertently) references to the Christian Trinity, that's pretty much as big as it gets. On top of that we have a ton of random legends this gen (Heatran? Cressellia?).

So is the 5th generation going to slam us with 30 legendaries? And what the heck are the main ones going to be based off of? This is why I say they need to step back and go simpler again. In the long run, it would be better for the series.

[Zallarion]

Yeah, but unless they bring it really good.. it won't be as good as D/P

[Chris 2.1]

The thing is now they feel they need two/three 'box legendaries', a trio, at least two 'opposite' Pokemon (Lati@s, Darkrai/Cresscelia)....when really, they can combine these all into less Pokemon. Axelf Uxie and Mespirit were all a bit boring. Heatran needn't have been legendary. Regigigas was cool, but thanks to his ability, absolutely sucks.

There are far too many legendaries. 5 would be fine! Go back to having starters on the boxes, too!

[Heald]

What they need to do is make Mudkip a catchable Pokemon. Everyone loves Mudkips. In fact, make the next legendary like a giant Mudkip. Gigamudkip or something.

In all seriousness, they don't need to make the legendaries bigger and better. In fact, can they? Arceus is effectively God of all Pokemon. Why not just some Pokemon that are better than others? That's what Mewtwo and the birds were. Have the 3 Legendary...fish or something.

I'm hoping they stop all this nonsense of their being evil teams wishing to control the Earth with uber Pogeys. Why not just go back to Team Rocket who you foil occasionally? Why can't the main basis of the game just be going to catch some Pogeys? If I was trying to be a Mudkip master and I couldn't do a gym because I needed to go find the Special Rock to awaken an uber Pogey, I'd be pissed off.

One thing I'd like to see is jobs or specialisation or something that could enhance your status, for example, Trainers get more XP per battle, Breeders breed better Pokemon faster, Co-ordinators fare better in contests, Collectors are more likely to find rare Pokemon, and specialising in a particular type enhances Pokemon of that type's performance in battle.

If the next generation is Fire/Water/Grass, followed by ten hours of Pidgey/Rattata/Bug/Zubat/Geodude spam, some lame main-story involving an uber, catching that uber, Elite 4, then win. Oh, and you have an annoying rival. Gary was the only cool rival. Oh yeah, if any of that happens, you all die.

[Blademaster]

In all seriousness, they don't need to make the legendaries bigger and better. In fact, can they? Arceus is effectively God of all Pokemon.

No, that's Mew. Mew has DNA strands of ALL Pokemon in it and can use Transform and every TM/HM. It's the God of Pokemon.

Arceus is little more than an Eevee with ultra-uber-l33t stats. Multiple forms, multiple types, a few flashy attacks, etc....

Mew is God. Not the Christian God that kills every sinner and tells people to kill their kids for the lulz - the God that really exists and is incomprehensibly perfect and supreme and stuff. Arceus, on the other hand, is like Ra or Zeus or Chthulu or something...

[Austrian ViceMaster Alex]

Mew is probably the god of diversity in-game but the game myth says Arceus is the creator of the universe, so dubbing it God is only fair in my book. I find it odd that you can catch a Pokémon of such capabilities though. Probably Arceus finds it amusing and just plays along.

[Zallarion]

I think they're going to invent something we can't imagine, like something above god or something..
I think the pokémon games are going down in quality, unless there's some genius somewhere who has a great idea somewhere..XD

[Zallarion]

Mew is probably the god of diversity in-game

Well.. mewtwo is a clone of mew right? of a bone? gods don't have bones, and gods can't be cloned, because if gods did have DNA it would be "perfect"XD

right?

[Austrian ViceMaster Alex]

Don't look at me, I didn't refer to him as a "god" in a divine kind of way (at least I didn't mean to), only as probably the Pokémon with the most diversity as it can learn any attack. According to the game lore Arceus is by many regarded as a good as it has supposedly created the universe.

[Zallarion]

Is there a Pokemon which has power over reality?

[Zallarion]

Lol! exactly what i said here is featured in this newgrounds flash, go to select a scene and pick the 19th one.. its the first one on the third screen..^^

Link is here: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/476976

Do realize some of the other scenes are for adults only..XD

Peace^.^

[Chris 2.1]

Another thing to mention: just because there is 'one' of a Pokemon in the games that does not make it legendary. Sudowoodo in Emerald, Rotom in DPPt and Rotom in DPPt all ruin that theory.

In terms of creating more legends, how about ones based around the seasons? They touched on it with the legendary birds, but they may want to go into more in-depth. Like I said, I fully back the starters being back on the boxes. I also was under the impression Mew is the ANCESTOR of all Pokemon, yet Arceus is the creator.

*Thinks of ideas for legendary Pokemon*

*Fails*

[classy_cat18]

I also was under the impression Mew is the ANCESTOR of all Pokemon, yet Arceus is the creator.

Something had to create Mew. Maybe it was Arceus.

[Blademaster]

Then what the fuck created ARCEUS!?

[Heald]

Then what the fuck created ARCEUS!?
QED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument)

[mr_pikachu]

Ah, the old "what created God?" question. I've pondered that enough over the last several years - time loop theories are especially fun to ponder, let me tell you.

Anyway. I'm betting on one of two legendary themes for fifth gen: either emotions or a third time rehash. (Celebi: Time traveller. Dialga: Time controller. ______: Time changer?)

[Heald]

Has Light and Dark been covered by legendaries yet? Or Peace and War? Fire and Ice? Whatever. All legendaries have sucked since RBY so I doubt they'd stop that trend anytime soon.

[mr_pikachu]

I was about to chastise you for the "War and Peace" suggestion, but that's actually surprisingly feasible. One Pokemon with absolutely devastating power but no defensive capabilities, the other capable of setting up all sorts of defensive measures but even more harmless than a feather. Interesting.

Of your ideas, Light and Dark is probably the most likely (despite the possible interpretation of Ho-oh and Lugia filling those roles), but I'm actually more intrigued by War and Peace. It's more creative than I would have thought.

[Heald]

The Peace one doesn't necessarily have to have no offensive abilities, after all, there is the mantra 'If you desire peace you must prepare for war'. Perhaps it has an attack that only does damage if it is itself hurt in that same round, like a more powerful version of Mirror Coat or something, or while it is on the field, attack damage is halved or something.

Not that it really matters, since it is never going to happen, and Nintendo will probably use their lack of creativity to come up with something really shitty as usual.

[Jeff]

I kind of like the season idea. When I saw Leafeon and Glaceon for the first time, I thought of them representing warm and cold times of the year the same way Espeon and Umbreon represent day and night. Maybe they could do something similar with legendaries. The nice thing is that it could give them a way to give some more differences between the two versions, for example, the version with the ice-type legendary would have more parts of the region covered in snow.

[Chris 2.1]

Light/Dark or Day/Night are kinda conveyed through Cresscelia and Darkrai. Sorta. And Mespirit, Uxie and Azelf kinda cover emotion, especially the way theyre portrayed in the manga.

I guess there could be a Pokemon connected to outerspace. Oh wait, we have Deoxys.

*scratches head*

What about a legendary based on a fugly land crab?

Oh....Heatran....

Guess they really have exhausted all their legendary ideas. Legendary fish sounded kinda interesting. Maybe like a legendary trio based on morality. Like those angel and devil guys you get on your shoulder, but less black-and-white. They guard....something ridiculous, but in different ways. Ehh I dunno.

[Blademaster]

The religious fundies would go ballistic over that.

Maybe Legendary versions of Feebas and Milotic: A Beauty Pokemon and an Ugly Pokemon. The Beauty Pokemon could be a Normal-type, and the Ugly one could be Dark or Ghost.

They wouldn't be enemies, though - they'd be allies, like Latios and Latias. That'd be a pretty original idea.

Or how about Pokemon representing the different types of life? Animal, plant, fungus, protist, bacteria, and archaea.

Or if that's too broad/scientific, 'animal, vegetable, mineral' could always work. Or maybe Eukarya, Bacteria, and Archaea - the 3 domains of life. It'd be nice to finally have a Poison and/or Bug Legendary, which is probably how one of the latter would be grouped.

There's so many possibilities, GameFreak. Step it up already!

[Zallarion]

Or how about Pokemon representing the different types of life? Animal, plant, fungus, protist, bacteria, and archaea.


There are only four, Animal, plant, bacteria and fungus..
i think they just took to big steps, and the starter on the box would've been better -nods-
The pokémon games won't be as great as they were.. RSC FTW!

Archaea are different from bacteria but still in the same kingdom..^^

lol.. highschool knowledge..^.^

[Blademaster]

There are only four, Animal, plant, bacteria and fungus..

There are SIX. Archaea were thought to be bacteria until their evolutionary history and their eating habits were double-checked, and protists are-... Well, OK, they seem to have been recently taken off the 'Kingdom' list themselves, but whatever. That's still five Kingdoms.

Half-assed college education FTW.

[Crazy Elf Boy]

Does it really matter how many animal kingdoms there are, when it all comes down to it how many 8-14 year old kids going to know what an Archaea is. But yes Blade is right archae and bacteria are two seperate kingdoms in the fact that they both have a seperate evolutionary history further details are here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaea). Sorry if I didn't learn about this in highschool but damn wikipedia is good enough for me. Also new legendaries suck, too many of them and their just too boring I mean Regigigas what the hell is that. I think that should bring in a set of legendary that could form to create a better single legendary by use of a dna splicer in the world somewhere or an item or something.

~CEB

[Blademaster]

Well, whether or not it matters, we need SOME ideas. There's plenty of potential Legendaries left - we just gotta think outside the box.

...On that note, Nintendo kinda jumped the shark with Giratina. The Dimension Pokemon. Way to waste a Legendary slot. That could've been the 5th Generation gimmick: a Legendary Pokemon of Length, a Legendary Pokemon of Width, and a Legendary Pokemon of Depth.

How would that work?

Hell if I know - Giratina is some freaky centipede-dragon-bat-thing, and THAT has to do with dimensions, evidently... Don't ask me where Nintendo gets this shit from. :/

[mr_pikachu]

I think that should bring in a set of legendary that could form to create a better single legendary by use of a dna splicer in the world somewhere or an item or something.

We already have that, CEB. It's called Yu-Gi-Oh.

Blade, joking aside, I assume you already know the reason why your statement is laughable and posted it for the sheer irony. (I suppose it is rather unfortunate that "dimension" is now easily equated with another plane of existence in a theoretical multiverse, but that's probably more exciting to people nowadays than the dimensional travels offered by L'Engle's classic A Wrinkle in Time.)

I have to agree with you on Giratina... the fifth gen could have been all about alternate dimensions and such (although I suppose it still could be the theme, meh), thus granting GameFreak the opportunity to retcon Arceus' "Godlike" image, making it the creator of this plane of reality but not necessarily all existence. Hell, they could do the creators of the other dimensions for the next five generations and no one would know the difference.

...Well, except those of us here who like to analyze and theorize about all things Pokemon in frightening detail. Oh well. Someone's gotta do it.

[Crazy Elf Boy]

Thats because everyone one at Nintendo is on drugs, the CEO's have planted aerosolised Crystal Meth in the airconditioners its great.

Here is my Rundown of the Legendaries so far

RBY/FRLG: 5
Articuno: Part of the Generic trio
Moltres: Part of the Generic trio
Zapdos: Part of the Generic trio
Mewtwo: Mans Attempt at God
Mew: Effectively God

GSC: 6
Suicune: Part of the Generic trio
Entei: Part of the Generic trio
Raikou: Part of the Generic trio
Lugia: Pokemonification of Night
Ho-oh: Pokemonification of Day
Celebi: Pokemonification of Time

RSE: 9
Latios: Guardian?
Latias: Guardian?
Kyogre: Pokemonification of the Water
Groudon: Pokemonification of the Earth
Rayquaza: Pokemonification of the Air
Regirock: Part of the Generic trio
Regice: Part of the Generic trio
Registeel: Part of the Generic trio
Deoxys: Mans second attempt at god?

DPP: 12
Mesprit: Part of the Generic trio
Uxie: Part of the Generic trio
Azelf: Part of the Generic trio
Dialga: Pokemonification of Time
Palkia: Pokemonification of Space
Darkrai: Pokemonification of Darkness
Giratina: Pokemonification of Dimensions
Heatran: Pokemonification of Natural disasters?
Cressilia: Pokemonification of the Moon?
Regigigas: Ruler of 3 Regi's
Manaphy: Pokemonification of the Heart?
Arceus: God?

So in generation 7 if it goes on for that long we can expect 20+ legendaries

How about a Life/Death combo. Grass/Dark maybe
Technology vs Nature
Good vs Evil
2 pokemon into 1
3 pokemon into 1
Another lame trio of pokemon maybe bugs this time

Thats all I can think of

~CEB

[Blademaster]

Lugia: Pokemonification of Night
Ho-oh: Pokemonification of Day

Close.

Lugia = Moon.
Ho-Oh = Sun.


Latios: Guardian?
Latias: Guardian?

Latios = Male.
Latias = Female.

They're gender Pokemon.



Deoxys: Mans second attempt at god?

No. Deoxys was an alien. Man had no clue what it was, and during research, they accidentally revived it. It wasn't made to be a weapon like Mewtwo was.

Also, you left out Jirachi.


Darkrai: Pokemonification of Darkness
Heatran: Pokemonification of Natural disasters?
Cressilia: Pokemonification of the Moon?
Manaphy: Pokemonification of the Heart?

Darkrai = Darkness.
Cresselia = Light.

They have little in common, but maybe Heatran and Manaphy are representative of Fire and Water Pokemon? It'd make some since given that the lastLegendary you excluded - Shaymin - is a Grass-type.

Maybe they're Legendary versions of the starters. Fire, Water, and Grass... Or a different take on the Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza Legendaries: Heatran fills the Earth with lava needed to keep the planet warm and spinning, Manaphy fills the seas with water needed to keep lifeforms cool and hydrated, and Shaymin fills the land with the plants needed to feed animals.

Or, I could be way off. Honestly, Shaymin and Manaphy may have some link, but I have no fucking clue why they added Heatran.


How about a Life/Death combo. Grass/Dark maybe

Wouldn't Ghost be a better candidate for a Death Pokemon?

[Chris 2.1]

A life and death pair would be cool. Although Dusknoir does sorta collect souls.

[Jeff]

That would be a cool idea. The two towers in Johto represented life and death, and in the third generation, the Cave of Origin represented birth while Mt. Pyre represented death. The concept however has yet to be made into pokemon so it would definitely work.

[Crazy Elf Boy]

They have little in common, but maybe Heatran and Manaphy are representative of Fire and Water Pokemon? It'd make some since given that the lastLegendary you excluded - Shaymin - is a Grass-type.

I purposely left out Shaymin because I really dont think of it as a legendary mainly just a tiny little pokemon there is only 1 off, but I am glad people like my Life/Death idea ^_^

~CEB

[Zallarion]

Does it really matter how many animal kingdoms there are, when it all comes down to it how many 8-14 year old kids going to know what an Archaea is. But yes Blade is right archae and bacteria are two seperate kingdoms in the fact that they both have a seperate evolutionary history further details are here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaea).~CEB

I'm so sewing my biology teacher for saying there are only 4, and i'm gonna own him tomorrow by saying there are 5, ty guys..XD

and about the Legendary's i agree, i think all the gen 5 pokémon aren't that good, look at magmortar, wth!

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

Perhaps Earth, Wind, Fire and Air? I know Rayquaza, Kyuogre, Groudon and the likes have already took up some space, but perhaps they should really do something with this.

[Zallarion]

Perhaps Earth, Wind, Fire and Air?

whats the difference between wind and air? maybe you mean water in an avatar like setting, which would be too cliché?

[Jeff]

The four classical elements are a good idea, but one that I think is already covered by gen 3.

Groudon: Earth/Fire
Kyogre: Water
Rayquaza: Wind

[Blademaster]

Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza aren't the elements so much as they are land, sea, and sky (respectively).

I don't think Nintendo would break precident and make a Legendary quartet, but Earth, Fire, Wind, and Water as they appear in Japanese mythos would be pretty cool. A Ground tortoise, a Flying tiger, a Water dragon, and a Fire phoenix, maybe.

[Mikachu Yukitatsu]

Earth, Fire, Wind, and Water in Japanese mythos? Sorry but you forgot "Void" or "Sky". No big deal, I had to use Wikipedia, too. Am I splitting hairs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_elements_(Japanese_philosophy)

On the other hand, there are Wu Xing, the Five Elements of Chinese Philosophy, Metal, Wood, Water, Fire and Earth. Should be distinguished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_elements_(Chinese_philosophy)

And to clarify, Fire, Earth, Air and Water are the four elements in ancient Greek philosophy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element

I admit, I only knew the difference between Greek and Chinese ones before this, and now I'm confused because the Wikipedia articles mention "Void" and stuff.

[Blademaster]

Earth, Fire, Wind, and Water in Japanese mythos? Sorry but you forgot "Void" or "Sky". No big deal, I had to use Wikipedia, too. Am I splitting hairs?

Yes you are. So stop it. :mad2: