Adopted/Captured Pokemon Rules + Where everything is and what you do there

[Aipom Of Doom]

Adopted/Captured Pokemon
Adopted Pokemon and Captured Pokemon are two large, related games spread over multiple topics in this subforum. Basically, for each of these games, you can obtain Pokemon and train them in different ways. You can adopt Pokemon by asking for them from one of the adoption centers, and/or capture them from the Capture Centers.

After you have some Pokemon, you can write battles for them. From the many games, you can win items, stamps (currency of Adopted Pokemon), and CCPs (currency of Captured Pokemon). Stamps and CCPs can be redeemed for various items and services in different topics.

For more detailed information, you can read the FAQ (http://forboards.tripod.com/FAQ.html).

The games on this forum are bound to the GGG Rules (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=12693) except for Rule 6 of the Games section, and, obviously, all threads are bound to the TPM General Rules (http://forboards.tripod.com/TPM_General_Rules.html).

The rules listed below are specific to this subforum.

RULES

1) We currently have two Adoption Centers:

Dragon Tamers
Pokemon Zoo

Two is the limit, so do not ask to create another, and do not try to post one, it will be closed.

2) We currently have two Capture Centers:

Crystal Caves
Pokemon Avengers

Two is the limit, so no more will be allowed.

3) You can breed for new adopted or captured pokemon at Pocket Monsters Breeding Center.

4) If you recieve a Pokemon from anything not listed here, it is not an Adopted Pokemon, and will no be accepted within the Adoption System.

5) You are allowed 30 Pokemon overall. Which means that you can get 15 from the Adoption Centers and another 15 from the Capture Centers. You will not be allowed to use extra spots to pass the 15 limit.

6) You are free to trade your adopted pokemon with other trainers. However, if what you want is to put one of your adopted pokemon back in an Adoption Center, you'll have to pay a fee of 5 stamps. The following rule applies when disowning a pokemon: no trainer is allowed to adopt any pokemon on the same day they abandon one ('day' meaning a 24-hour period). Also, no pokemon can be abandoned until at least a month has passed since their adoption, and pokemon of level 18 or higher can't be given back for adoption at all.


For more information on AC/CC please contact the workers of the respective topics.

Here's a list of the people you'll most likely receive assistance from in the respective AC/CC topics:

Dragon Tamers: Lady Vulpix, Wolfsong, Classy_cat18, Hypotenuse Man, lvl100mewtwo
PokeZoo: Lady Vulpix, Wolfsong
Crystal Caves: Wolfsong

Links
Dragon Tamers Adoption Center (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10285)
This is one of the two places you can adopt a Pokemon. The Pokemon here are generic and normal; you can make them act however you want. Just be sure to look in the last few pages for the last updated list of Pokemon, and then pick one to adopt.

Pokezoo Adoption Center (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8935)
This is the other adoption center. The Pokemon here have a few sentences describing their general personality, which could give you a starting point for how to make them act in your stories. Of course, you can change the personalities listed here if you really want to. Of course, make sure that you look for the last list near the end when you pick one to adopt.

Dragon Tamers Battle Range (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25450)
At the Battle Range you write battles for your adopted Pokemon to gain levels, and for you to get Stamps. There is always one active scenario, which explains the situation you're writing about, and what Pokemon you'll be facing. Scenarios stay active for a while, so you have plenty of time to write a good battle, and get many stamps as a reward.

Dragon Tamers Reward Center (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11768)
You can use your stamps to buy various items for yourself and your Pokemon. These items range from TMs to juices that let you change the colors of your Pokemon to enhancers for particular types of Pokemon. Also, you can buy the right to breed for an elusive Dratini here.

Crystal Caves Capture Center (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/index.php?topic=29426)
This one of the two Capture Centers. Here, you go to different areas to fight and try to capture Pokemon. These, obviously, are Captured Pokemon, which are counted seperately form Adopted ones.

Crystal Caves Battle Arena (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13790)
You can train your captured Pokemon here. Like the Battle Range, there are scenerios for you to follow. Also, you can use the Random Battle Generator here to fight a completely random
Pokemon at a cost. You get CCPs as a reward for your writing.

Crystal Caves Kiosk (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11785)
Treat your captees that you've ensnared at either Capture Center to a wide selection of TMs, items to use in battle, enhancers, juices, and much more! Make sure you have a decent amount of CCPs!

Pokemon Avengers Capture Center (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19993)
The old Pokemon Avengers Capture Center has reopened! You can start capturing Pokemon there as well.

Eevee House (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22090)
This is a place where you can hang out with your adopted pokemon. You can also let them make friends and have fun, and enter your adopted pokemon in monthly races for the prize of two levels or an item.

Goldenrod Tower (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22381)
Here you can get items for your pokemon by answering daily polls or playing fun games.

Pocket Monsters Breeding Center (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15113)
Are you tired of waiting for a pokemon to show up at the adoption centers, or can't seem to find the one you want at the capture center? Why not check out the list of available pokes and see if we have the one you're looking for? You can have your own pokemon breed here too.

PokeZoo Battle Tower (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11277)
Have a gameboy-like battle here against another trainer with your adopted or captured Pokemon. You fight a 1-on-1 or 2-on-2 battle that works roughly in the same way as in the games (note: Surf works as in Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, it doesn't affect the partner). The winning Pokemon gains a level for it's victory.

The Dragon's Guild (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22089)
The place where it all began. Here you can have some in-character interaction (AC only), as well as ask questions, and share any interesting findings (in real life, on the web, anywhere).

Dragon Tamers Information Center (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19879)
The out-of-character thread to share and request any and all information regarding the Dragon Tamers storyline.

Currently unavailable:

Expedia: The Maiden Islands (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10659)
Jump into an adventure with two of your Pokemon as you explore the Maiden Islands and encounter exotic lands, new people, and many surprises. CURRENTLY ON HIATUS DUE TO MAIN PLAYERS LEAVING.

Buena's Radio Show (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11121)
Here you get questions of different diffculties regarding Pokemon games. If you answer the questions correctly, you get stamps or CCPs.

[Lady Vulpix]

I have updated the links.
CC people, please tell either me, another mod, or Danny whenever you post a new version of your topics, so that we can keep this list up to date and it remains useful.

[Matt]

Uh, Gabi, might you put the CCCC shop in the list of links? :)

[Lady Vulpix]

Danny has already done that job. :)

[Crystalmaster Mike]

Umm... The Goldenrod Tower link still leads to the old version...

[andyizcool]

Just want to tell you a lot of the links take you to old versions of stuff just so you might want to change them all.

~Andrew

[Jay]

Hmm. My re-write of the main rules doesn't contain the general information about Adopted/Captured Pokémon, like the maximum amount we're allowed to own. I figured this topic would pertain them.

Someone might want to add that in here?

[Lady Vulpix]

Done, Jay. :)
Oh, I've sent you 2 PMs in response to yours. I've sent them to the other mods too, and they got Becca's approval and Amy's acknowledgement.

One change is added to them, though: the Dragon Tamers have one more worker: Charizard04621, a.k.a. Karin.

[Dark Dragonite]

Guys, Crystal Caves Capture Center is closed, and I don't see a new version of it, is there something wrong with it??

EDIT: I think I found out why, but is there any way of resolving it soon?

[Jay]

I'd give it a few days, Steve.

[Mr SmileAKASkrusti]

Erm, for some reason I was re-reading the rules, and I saw this little technical error:


1) We currently have two Adoption Centers:

Dragon Tamers
Pokemon Zoo

Three is the limit, so do not ask to create another, and do not try to post one, it will be closed.

(Edit) oh, and so this isn't spammishy, is there anything I can do to help resolve the little conflict? :D :wave:

[Jay]

Yes, I'll edit it out since it's supposed to read two. ^_^;;;

The conflict has been resolved so Crystal Caves has a few changes in worker positions that'll affect some people, but thanks for your generous offer! ^___~

I also updated the new links to the version so yaya ^______^

[Shadow Djinn]

Hm..I know we can trade pokemon but where do we post to confirm, etc?

I'm gonna be trading with someone..so yea..

[Jay]

Oops. Hmm, the links didn't update O_o;; Meh... i'll do them again. At least I know which ones are broken.

Shadow Djinn, you can post your information in either adoption center. Doesn't matter which one, as long as a group of people know ^_^

[andyizcool]

How can you become a worker somewhere to help them out?

~Andrew

[Crystalmaster Mike]

It's like becoming a mod:

post at the respective domain
go there often
DON'T ask for becoming 'it'!

[Jay]

Thanks, Mike.

Usually your chances will improve whenever a workplace asks for new workers to help out, otherwise your chances are slim. If you're around for a while in a respective topic that'll help too.

[Dark Dragonite]

Ok, Meowth's Pokedex is down, and pokemonfanuniverse is saying forbidden on the server, so is there a pokedex like pokemonfanuniverse that is around for useage??

[Matt]

I just got into pokemonfanuniverse but anyway :o. You could always go here (http://www.psypoke.org/dex/pokedex.php?id=253) but it's down a lot of some reason. But when it's up, it's a really good source.

[Lady Vulpix]

And there's always Gengar and Haunter's Pokemon Dungeon (http://www.pokemondungeon.com/pokedex.htm) for RBYGSC pokemon, and Ultimate Pokemon Network (http://www.upnetwork.net/pvg/games/rs/newpokes.shtml) for RS pokemon.

And for RS info on all 386 pokemon, there's always the pokedex attached to this post.

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[Dark Dragonite]

http://www.pokemonfanuniverse.com/pokedex/index.php?dexNo=26

Ummm, according to that, Raichu should know fly as you catch one in R/B/Y

I have a CC Raichu, updating attacks, what is this??

[Jay]

Fly is a NYPC move for Raichu and its family. I deem it as invalid.

That is a little grotesque anyway. A flying rodent?

[Dark Dragonite]

Originally posted by Jay
Fly is a NYPC move for Raichu and its family. I deem it as invalid.

That is a little grotesque anyway. A flying rodent?

LOL, I am somewhat glad to see Raichu family not get Fly!!

Although, there are Flying Squirrels.

[Jay]

Flying squirrels have a gliding membrane which allows that to transpire. When its legs are hindered, the membrane forms a wing-like gliding surface. Rodents, and other squirrels alike, don't have them which makes them unique.

Unless, of course, you breed for a mutated one. If that is even possible right now.

[Lady Vulpix]

Even if a mutant Pichu was born, it wouldn't be able to fly. The mutation would manifest in a different way (I still don't know which yet). And yes, that pokedex has wrong information (probably from the NYPC). That's what led Kyle to believe Porygon could learn Fire Blast.

[Jay]

It depends on the mutant manifestation for a Pichu to be able to soar, does it not? Rather than saying that no matter where the wings grow, it can't fly at all.

[Lady Vulpix]

Mutation doesn't necessarily mean wings. That's what I meant.

[Dark Dragonite]

The UPN Pokedex has a move called "Surprise" at Lv.13 for Sableye, which I think should be Astonish, since "Surprise" isn't in the TM/HM list

[Jay]

Surprise is also known as Astonish.

Surprise is the Japanese name for it - some pokedexes you'll find will have those Japanese names. Those dexes were probably created before the proper English version of Ruby/Sapphire were released.

[Dark Dragonite]

I know I've been given it before, but can someone link me to a site that has all the moves, including R/S ones, with attack power, accuracy, and effects?

[Lady Vulpix]

http://forboards.tripod.com

There's one page for GSC moves and another for RS moves with all the info we can use. There's also a section that says which moves affect both opponents (or both opponents and the partner) in 2-on-2 battles.

[Linux]

could i get info on the tm lists for the kiosk? i heard they were under construction... just wondering how that's coming along

[Lady Vulpix]

Matt and Frank said they would do it. It seems they didn't. I don't think Jay will want to take part in it, so that will probably be up to Amy, Karin, Cheesey and myself.

[Linux]

that's a lot of work, I hope you get it all done.

meh I have another query. what's up with all the inactive workers at some places? it's getting on my nerves

the inactive people would be pokemasterfrank (not brs, just the capture center) and CMM (goldenrod). frank is quite active at brs but at the caves he has only posted 5 times in the past 4 version. I think that's pretty bad. CMM's activity at the goldenrod tower had dropped during the last few versions. when he's needed to post the new version he is never around, and I believe others can take ownership better than they can. there are a rough 10 people who are more active than he

eh, now my biggest concern, is link 10. this person sucked up the the owner of crystal caves (cheesey) to show he was really worthy afterall. so what happened was he was told to update by cheesey, did so, and cheesey just assumed he'd become active again. but did he? no. I believe jay has also talked about it with cheesey but he doesn't seem to believe him. he had warned link 10 numerous times about his inactivity when he was an owner and cheesey doesn't take it into consideration. I want this dude fired in place of jay who kept 3 versions running by himself, and does cheesey want that? no. I think the age of current owners is very humdrum

get rid of these people, they are a waste of space. if someone can't handle being a worker then they shouldn't be working at all

[Lady Vulpix]

I'd like to hear what the people involved have to say. No flaming, please.

[Crystalmaster Mike]

It's up to my co-workers to decide, I guess. I don't know whether an activity-increase is coming to me any time soon (what with school eating me up), and if there're more members who think someone would get the job done better than me, I shan't stand in the way.

But... It's up to my co-workers and all the regulars at the GT to decide, I think.

[Jay]

I believe Matt had sucked up to me twice, but anyway. One of his excuses was that he had a few tests he was studying for, so I let that go.

Matt wormed his way out of this by saying stuff to Chris like "You hate me don't you?!", and he felt sorry for him. I think that was very amiss what Chris did. Matt should have been executed a while ago.

[Cheesey]

I think Matt did stall me - I thought he was going to stay active after he did about 3 updates at the CCCC, but then he stopped, and I assume he thought he was going to get away with it. Yeah, I felt sorry for him, but that was only because I thought he was being sincere about it =/. I'll give him... 3-5 days or something. I'll talk to him - Last time I gave him 48 hours. This time, if he doesn't update in the 48 hours he's fired, and if he doesn't stay active he'll be fired.

One thing that rather surprised me was a pathetic reason tossed at me last time. I told him that we're all quite busy now and we need all the help we can get. He said 'oh and im not busy >:o'... It's weird that Amy can update even with all her jobs around the boards, and she's in college too. I've asked Frank if he can update more, and he said he would... But he hasn't. x_X Thing is, if Frank does update it'll be great because he's not as stubborn as Matt can be sometimes, and his updates are very good.

About the GT problem - I dunno... I know Mike's busy with school, but I think me, Kyle, Danny and of course Mike will have to takl about it first... I don't think 'Mike you're fired >:o' would be very good >_>;

I'm trying to sort out the difficulties around the CCCC - I mean, 2 active owners who get the job done and about 3 workers would be a dream, but I don't think that'll happen very quickly.

[Jay]

But you see that's where he gets away with it when you give him a bit of time to update, he will, then he'll be back to updating once every two weeks.

If Matt is going to be a stubborn prick he needs to be fired immediately, as he should have last time we talked, Chris.

[pokemasterfrank]

Bleh x_x Sorry all. I haven't really been on much. I'll try to update more x_x And the TM/HM list exists o_o Its on a website...that I've forgotten ^_^;;; Matt got the e-mail for the password and stuff, so I think he knows :o

[Lady Vulpix]

Matt doesn't know. He's helped a little with the current list, though.
The list we do have is on http://forboards.tripod.com/New_TMs.txt but not all the TMs are there.

[Jay]

What do you mean by 'a little'? I see he updated again before he could get into a bit more trouble, to my understanding.

I got convinced to come back and no place wants to take me, oh well, guess I was crap afterall. Heh. =\

[Lady Vulpix]

Jay, stop beating yourself down. One day someone may get tired and say you're right (about being crap) even when you're not; just because you keep repeating it.
What I meant was that Matt participated in a chat in which we discussed the compatibilities for some of those TMs.

[Jay]

He PARTICIPATED in a chat? I'm starstruck. Don't believe it.

Can I get Danny to exit from the Kiosk / Arena? I think there are too many working there, and it's very unnecessary for him since he's the only one of them that doesn't work at the caves.

[Aipom Of Doom]

Originally posted by Jay
He PARTICIPATED in a chat? I'm starstruck. Don't believe it.

Can I get Danny to exit from the Kiosk / Arena? I think there are too many working there, and it's very unnecessary for him since he's the only one of them that doesn't work at the caves.

I still work there? oops, forgot that XD. Well, not anymore I guess :o.

[Jay]

Thank you.

[Crystalmaster Mike]

Originally posted by AOD
Goldenrod Tower (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21573)

A tad outdated by now...
Also, maybe the intro to the rules needs a bit rewriting now this all is a subforum to PCG, opposed to the run-loose pile o' topics it used to be.

[Jay]

There are really no need for links now that this has a sub-forum anyway. It's hard enough to administrate.

[pokemasterfrank]

well, after digging through a box full of paper and stuff, I finally found a sheet of paper :o Not just any piece of paper, it had some CC links and such. One of those links, was the TM/HM list. Dunno how accurate it is, but it should be complete.

www.angelfire.com/pokemon2/crystalcaves/TMHM.html

[Lady Vulpix]

Oh, but that doesn't say which pokemon can learn those moves. :( Would you care to help us with that, please?

[Heavens_Flame]

If your looking for a really good pokedex, i found one yesterday- its very informative and in depth.

http://www.psypoke.net/dex/index.php

Hope that helped!

[Crystalmaster Mike]

Originally posted by pokemasterfrank
well, after digging through a box full of paper and stuff, I finally found a sheet of paper :o Not just any piece of paper, it had some CC links and such. One of those links, was the TM/HM list. Dunno how accurate it is, but it should be complete.

www.angelfire.com/pokemon2/crystalcaves/TMHM.html

A bit inaccurate, if you ask me.


TM 107 | Intercept | Dark | PP: 10 / Accuracy: 100 / User goes first and uses whatever attack the opponent was going to use and uses it
TM 115 | Slow Wave | ??? | PP: 10 / Doubles user's Attack and Defense while cutting Speed in half
Those two sound like Snatch (?) and Curse to me. Also, something bugs me about that system of one big TM List- what about the Rock Smash HM? Okay, for DT uses, it's no problem, I know. But for other uses, maybe it is.

[Lady Vulpix]

The TM compatibility list is only for adopted and captured pokemon, and only for moves that are not TMs nor HMs in Ruby and Sapphire.

You can view its progress here (http://forboards.tripod.com/New_TMs.txt).

Anything else, you can find in any of the many pokedexes lying around the web.

[Jay]

Please remove the 'Pricing done by Link 10' and change it to Jay. Unless Matt doing 2 of the TMs and me doing over 100 makes him get credit and not me.

[Lady Vulpix]

I've just written a FAQ (http://forboards.tripod.com/FAQ.html) for all those questions that get asked all the time (that's the point of a FAQ, isn't it?)

I hope it turns out to be useful. :)

[Linux]

Lovely. I think Cheesey screwed the first page up

Why'd he get demodded anyway?

I think the links should be removed. it's not too much trouble to conjure up a topic here out of the other six active ones, now is it?

i confused myself (edit)

[Lady Vulpix]

Ask your brother. I'm sure he knows.
As for the links, some are still missing. I'll try to add them. The links themselves are not that important right now, but the overview of the main topics can be useful for newcomers.

We need the descriptions of the Battle Tower, the Breeding Center, the Goldenrod Tower, Expedia, the Eevee House and the Crystal Caves Kiosk. All help will be appreciated.

And Jay... That wasn't funny at all.

[Linux]

He is not my brother.... and you can use my descriptions for these two *sigh* sure they probably suck

Battle Tower -- This is the place where you can fight other’s adoptees or captees with your own adoptees or captees respectively. This is the second alternative place (the Battle Range/Arena being the first) to earn levels by winning your battles.

Crystal Caves Kiosk -- Treat your captees that you've ensnared at either Capture Center to a wide selection of TMs, items to use in battle, enhancers, juices, and much more! Make sure you have a decent amount of CCPs!

[Lady Vulpix]

I've added your description for the CC Kiosk, thanks.
And thanks to Amy, Kyle and aragornbird for their descriptions of the Eevee House, the PMBC, the Goldenrod Tower and Expedia, and to Danny for recovering the old descriptions. It's great to count on all of you. :)

[Jay]

And Jay... That wasn't funny at all.
You mean you think I removed the descriptions?

I don't know if you talked to me about it before or after you posted that, but I didn't do anything to them.

[Lady Vulpix]

I posted that before I talked to you.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt (is that how you say it in English?), though it's odd that the descriptions disappeared while you were using Chris's account and the post said Last edited by Cheesey. I haven't thought of another possible explanation, but maybe you can.

[Jay]

When exactly was it edited? If it was before I did what I done, then it couldn't have been me >_>

I don't know if you want to bother, but ask him if he accidentally did something to the thread. If affirmative then you don't need to falsely assume I committed a crime.

[Jay]

This has been bothering me for a while, and I've wanted to debate about this sooner, and I have before... But really, nothing was seriously considered.

The two currencies.

I want them merged, and whenso we can think up a new name for the newly merged currency that is both usable for capture and adoption centers. I would say something simply like points or coins, the latter being the one I'd prefer.

There's no cons to this, the only serious reason to why I'm suggesting this is that it would make things less confusing. I like to not store my CCP and Stamp amount somewhere, I like to keep it in my mind... And I find it hard to make note of how many of each currency I have. If both were merged then it would be a lot less confusing, and it might even improve businesses popularity. I sure as hell don't like it when I have 50 CCPs and no Stamps, where I'd prefer it to be spaced out just a touch.

Besides, why do we have seperate currencies for Captured and Adoption Centers? Just to make things more confusing? These aren't seperate countries. We use our own money for lots of things, for this restaurant and that restaurant. Same scenario for here, we should be able to use the same type of money for both things. We don't have seperate currencies for each business in real life, do we? So why is it different here? I don't understand this at all.

Please consider this. Thanks.

[Moonlight Espeon]

Yes, I agree with Jay on this, the two currencies are way too confusing.
I hate it when I need something for my Adopted Pokemon but then I need something for the capture center, because I've pretty much already determined what I want the currency I get in the GT to be converted to, and I can't change it afterwards.
The two currencies are too hard to keep track of.. I know some people think it's more 'organized', but personally, I think it's a confusing mess.

[Linux]

Jay wins the topic

Yes merge them, they are so ****ing annoying to keep track of. I only keep track of my ccps because taking note of two currencies is too difficult

[soggy_cardboard]

yay, merge em!

More space for my sig =)
and way less confusing @_@

Thoese different currencies, kept me away from AC/CC for some time:yes:

[Lady Vulpix]

I'm not taking any position yet, just stating some facts and providing some background information.

• Stamps were created by Connor (Pidgeot) at the unveiling of the Reward Center. CCPs were my solution to the capture center currency when Steve (QS) left the board with an explosion and took Pokemon Avengers with him (before that, capture centers used Avenger Points, created by Steve).

• Adopted and captured pokemon originate from two different games that were created by different people at different times. They used to be more separate than they are now, and there even used to be a rivalry between them. That rivalry is gone now, and there are even people who work at both and topics that apply for both, but to those using the battledomes the storylines are still different and merging them would cause the continuity to shatter. That doesn't mean currency can't be merged, we can always say in our stories that currency has changed. But it does mean the stories can't be merged.

• The prices at the Reward Center and the Kiosk are quite different. Up to now, that didn't matter since the currency wasn't the same, but we need to consider what would happen with this if currencies were merged. I don't know how the rating system of the Battle Arena works, but it may also differ from the Battle Range system. Amy could shed some light on this aspect, since she works at both.

• Dragon Tamers workers are not allowed to use stamps (except when they're tournament prizes), but we are allowed to use CCPs. If currencies were merged, would we be allowed to get the new currency and use it wherever it can be used, or would we have to give up all our CCPs, disallowing us to get items for our captured pokemon?

[Jay]

Stamps were created by Connor (Pidgeot) at the unveiling of the Reward Center. CCPs were my solution to the capture center currency when Steve (QS) left the board with an explosion and took Pokemon Avengers with him (before that, capture centers used Avenger Points, created by Steve).

Adopted and captured pokemon originate from two different games that were created by different people at different times. They used to be more separate than they are now, and there even used to be a rivalry between them. That rivalry is gone now, and there are even people who work at both and topics that apply for both, but to those using the battledomes the storylines are still different and merging them would cause the continuity to shatter. That doesn't mean currency can't be merged, we can always say in our stories that currency has changed. But it does mean the stories can't be merged.
Do you mean you don't want the Arena and Range merged? If so, I wasn't asking for that. The reward given is only one difference from both places. Scenarios and of course the type of pokemon (captured) are the main difference.


The prices at the Reward Center and the Kiosk are quite different. Up to now, that didn't matter since the currency wasn't the same, but we need to consider what would happen with this if currencies were merged. I don't know how the rating system of the Battle Arena works, but it may also differ from the Battle Range system. Amy could shed some light on this aspect, since she works at both.
Amy will have to speak up about how she and the others use the Battle Arena rating system... But during the time I was rating at the BA (the few stories I did rate that is), I tried to follow along the same type of method the Battle Range used. I would say the stories completed and posted at the Battle Arena aren't as eminent in terms of quality as the Range, and that, somehow, may slightly alter the compensation (where the BA is giving more, or the BR is giving less). That can be changed and both places can work together to come up with a more rigid rating formula.


Dragon Tamers workers are not allowed to use stamps (except when they're tournament prizes), but we are allowed to use CCPs. If currencies were merged, would we be allowed to get the new currency and use it wherever it can be used, or would we have to give up all our CCPs, disallowing us to get items for our captured pokemon?[/B]
I don't even know why you guys can't use Stamps. All the CC workers and owners are able to collectively use their own CCPs for their captees, and buy stuff at the kiosk... I don't see why it needs to be different for you. That just makes it a bit biased and unfair.

Edit: I don't know why I'm editing this here, but feztra apparently isn't coming back here. So for people complaining about him cursing at the mods, you don't need to worry now, I guess. *shrug*

[Moonlight Espeon]

Gabi, I don't want to sound harsh, but the background information you gave was pretty much useless to the debate.
What Jay meant is that we would be able to use that currency everywhere. And at first glance, it sounds like we'd need more if the currencies were merged, but we really don't. We have to choose between Stamps or CCPs at that point and it can't be changed..
It doesn't matter that Adopted and Captured Pokemon have different originis. If they can battle in the same Battle Tower (Yes, I know, you can only battle Adopted with Adopted, Captured with Captured), they can certainly have the same currency.
It's easier to keep track of. I'm all for it.

[Sanitation Center]

NOOOOO What have you guys done to poor Clark :(

Ummm yeah, the currency thing is very confusing for me O.o I say you change it. It's no harm in doing so, and with that casino idea Jay is doing I think it's going to work better and be less confusing with 'points' x_x

But also, I have another query I want to discuss, but it's the workers in every topic here. What happened?

Crystal Caves: Something REALLY needs to be done about Crystal Cave's owner Pokemasterfrank. He NEVER posts but yet, no one will discuss about firing him. He always says he wants his spot because it makes him feel important, yet he makes what, one update a month? That is a very poor owner example. Amy hasn't updated in weeks, and Cheesey is setting a poor example by not doing jack about the worker problem lately. The new workers won't even update when he isn't around. Were they really the right decision?

Goldenrod Tower: It's also other places, such as Goldenrod. Cheesey decided to make a magical disappearance, and if it's no other reason than his computer broke down, I think that's a poor example of him being an owner, too.... And Dark Prince? I don't even NEED to explain why he doesn't deserve his owner position at Goldenrod Tower. He says his video games take up most of his time and he can't update, yet, he still is able to post pretty much everywhere else at TPM? Eamon and Danny were better than I thought, though. Another worker there, please, possibly exchanging for Dark Prince so he can go and play his silly video games.

Buena's Radio Show: Same with the Crystal Caves, why the hell does Pokemasterfrank work there? He updated a little recently, but I look back and see nothing posted. The place is speedily racking up with many questions and no one updates. Aragornbird was hired because he posted there regularly, yet, where is he? Danny is barely keeping it alive, but I strongly suggest another worker there.

Expedia: Not much of a fan of this place, but it's SO inactive I can't believe it. Aragornbird (AGAIN) barely posts and updates there, and Pikachu101 has only updated a couple of times. I hear the place is really hard to update, but still, it's not an excuse that Gabi should make all the updates there. Who is Avian Freeze? Why is he still working there? I know he's an owner, but is this going to be like Pokemasterfrank? Just because he helped make the place, does it mean he automatically works there for the rest of his life? I suggest more workers at that place... a LOT more. It's dying because of it's activity.

Moderators: It's about time I had to complain... But, why does EVERY SINGLE PCG MODERATOR avoid public discussions? I think everyone knows Jay is right and they don't want to argue, but really, you are all making it worse by not contributing. He is setting a better example than every moderator here ten fold, and all of you know it. I can't believe this... You're great examples, aren't you?

I'm very pissed off about this. Moderators, do something for god sake.

[The_Missing_Link]

HT, I will never take you seriously until you get your butt into AC/CC and start posting regularly. You only get your information from Jay, Linux or any of your friends in here and just nod in agreement with whatever they say

And Jay isn't always right. I'm against merging the two currencies because there is no need to. It's not that confusing to make two lists concerning which belongs to AC or CC and if you don't like doing it, then you're plain lazy. There are some who only concern themselves to just AC or CC and for those who do both, they just like getting stamps or CCPs just for collection

If we did merge them though, then we would have to get rid of the Battle Arena or Battle Range because if you leave both open, people will just be getting stamps/CCPs faster and just ask for TMs or other items with relative ease, which defeats the purpose of gaining prizes through hard work

And as for the workers at the AC who don't receive stamps, change it. I don't see why they're not able to get them while CC workers are able to earn CCPs. We know they don't abuse their powers

[Rambunctious Jamirus]

Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
NOOOOO What have you guys done to poor Clark :(

Ummm yeah, the currency thing is very confusing for me O.o I say you change it. It's no harm in doing so, and with that casino idea Jay is doing I think it's going to work better and be less confusing with 'points' x_x

But also, I have another query I want to discuss, but it's the workers in every topic here. What happened?

Crystal Caves: Something REALLY needs to be done about Crystal Cave's owner Pokemasterfrank. He NEVER posts but yet, no one will discuss about firing him. He always says he wants his spot because it makes him feel important, yet he makes what, one update a month? That is a very poor owner example. Amy hasn't updated in weeks, and Cheesey is setting a poor example by not doing jack about the worker problem lately. The new workers won't even update when he isn't around. Were they really the right decision?

Take it up with the workers. He has a life, not everything revolves around TPM. He might be gone but he goes to work or school and that comes before TPM (hopefully). About the right decision, maybe he had a reason for letting them work there. Take it up with them, not the Mods.


Originally posted by Haunted Toilet

Goldenrod Tower: It's also other places, such as Goldenrod. Cheesey decided to make a magical disappearance, and if it's no other reason than his computer broke down, I think that's a poor example of him being an owner, too.... And Dark Prince? I don't even NEED to explain why he doesn't deserve his owner position at Goldenrod Tower. He says his video games take up most of his time and he can't update, yet, he still is able to post pretty much everywhere else at TPM? Eamon and Danny were better than I thought, though. Another worker there, please, possibly exchanging for Dark Prince so he can go and play his silly video games.

He's not playing games, he's revamping (or re-editing) old ones for the computer. That takes a lot more time than playing them and it's his project, let him do it. I don't know what he'd say (since I'm not him) but he probably feels like his responsibilities are not just around Goldenrod. How about not attacking people until you know their reason for not 'updating enough.'


Originally posted by Haunted Toilet

Buena's Radio Show: Same with the Crystal Caves, why the hell does Pokemasterfrank work there? He updated a little recently, but I look back and see nothing posted. The place is speedily racking up with many questions and no one updates. Aragornbird was hired because he posted there regularly, yet, where is he? Danny is barely keeping it alive, but I strongly suggest another worker there.

Expedia: Not much of a fan of this place, but it's SO inactive I can't believe it. Aragornbird (AGAIN) barely posts and updates there, and Pikachu101 has only updated a couple of times. I hear the place is really hard to update, but still, it's not an excuse that Gabi should make all the updates there. Who is Avian Freeze? Why is he still working there? I know he's an owner, but is this going to be like Pokemasterfrank? Just because he helped make the place, does it mean he automatically works there for the rest of his life? I suggest more workers at that place... a LOT more. It's dying because of it's activity.

Okay, same thing. They have a life, let them live it at their whim. We need breaks from TPM at times since it updates rapidly and yes, he is the owner but he helped build it, something that means a lot to him (sorry if I get genders wrong, my mind is lost). And it is hard to update, for people want different things and you have to go along with that. Maybe you should work there if you're so unhappy about the updates. Share the pain.


Originally posted by Haunted Toilet

Moderators: It's about time I had to complain... But, why does EVERY SINGLE PCG MODERATOR avoid public discussions? I think everyone knows Jay is right and they don't want to argue, but really, you are all making it worse by not contributing. He is setting a better example than every moderator here ten fold, and all of you know it. I can't believe this... You're great examples, aren't you?

I'm very pissed off about this. Moderators, do something for god sake.

They have a life too ya know. They can't ALWAYS be there when someone has a complaint. From what it sounds like, you have complaints with the owners, not the Mods. And people are not always right, they have their opinions and others have theirs. No one can be right in a discussion as this one. Stop attacking the Mods because they aren't doing the job you want them to do. They are trying to make this place as good as possible, not some smooth running, fast moving utopia. If you don't like the way they do their job, then leave. It's not their fault that the games have been that way.

Man, that's not the way to start Spring Break.

[Moonlight Espeon]

You couldn't be any more correct, Zei.
It makes me mad that when I first came to TPM, about a year ago or so, AC/CC was never this inactive..
Back then, everything would be updated daily. You barely had to wait 4 hours to be updated in any of the games, regardless.
And then Jay left, and AC/CC fell apart. No matter how biased you are against him you have to admit that he was a VERY important part in AC/CC history.
Then Cheesey came into a new light, and was modded. What kills me is this. Nobody realises, at all, that Jay is the absolute only person who got Cheesey where he is right now. Jay is the one who chose Cheesey as the newest worker in the CCCC, and things lead from there. But nobody realises that he was the cause- everybody thinks Cheesey is important because of himself right now and his own activity, but I'm serious, without Jay he would be just like me. Checks AC/CC every day, posts in the games, participates and doesn't matter that much.
I don't mean to flame Cheesey, but this is true and nobody seems to notice it. People's eyes are shrouded by some kind of random hate for Jay which I myself do not understand, but you are entitled to your opinions, I guess.
Let me organize everything by games like Zei did but I'll add a few things:

Buena's Radio Show: Now this is just embarrassing. Completely embarrassing. There are now 7 questions in queue, which there never was before. Why the hell is Frank a worker here? He updated about twice a while ago, but otherwise I've seen almost nothing out of him. But of course nobody fires him because he's "important". Danny has exactly the same problem, he disappears from every single game he works at for a long time and then he comes back like he's been totally active. >_> And aragornbird is as inactive as ever. Someone do something about this game.

Goldenrod Tower: This isn't quite as bad. The most active worker right now is Eamon. I am actually surprised that Eamon is as good as he is right now because I had my doubts but I am still against the way he was hired. Danny is a lot better than he used to be, but he's not that great still. And Darkprince.. One acronym will some everything up: WTF. He claims he can't update because he has stupid video games to worry about, yet he posts in Pokemon Hangman at least every day. Replacement for Darkprince and possible new worker please.

The Crystal Caves Capture Center: This is bad. Really bad. I have a feeling the competition was just a bit biased, but let's not go into that right now. The workers only update when somebody demands an update, and at least 5 updates are in queue and that is just not good. And also.. why the **** is Frank still a worker here? Nobody except Jay, Zei and I have had the guts to go against Frank. He is kinda the "owner" of the CCCC, but he certainly doesn't deserve it. When does he update, like once every version? No. Someone has to stand up to him. Now. I request Frank be fired and a new worker to be hired.

Adoption Centers: These are fine. Enough workers, enough activity. I won't complain about the ACs right now.

PokeZoo Battle Tower: This is also fine. The refs are active, there are enough refs too. However I think Cheesey should be fired here. He's only reffed one battle in the past 2 months and he comes up with excuses for it.

Who's That Trainer?: I don't even know why the hell this was ever revived, but it's barely above the closed topics. It's completely dead. If someone expects to continue this game, you need a new worker and some more interest in it, because I don't think anyone is really interested in playing it anymore.

Pokemon Avengers: Ridiculous. The last post was 10 days ago. The CCCC has now captured all interest, and if you want to keep playing this game I advise a new worker.

Battle Range: What the hell? This has fallen below the closed topics. And those topics were closed so long ago. I advise a new "approver" (one that gives out stamps based on the quality of the writing)

And Cheesey has decided to take a sudden disappearance also. I don't care what the hell his problem is at all, he can get on and update somehow or at least notify someone that he'd be away and unable to update for a while. Cheesey is the main fault of AC/CC's inactivity. He works in so many places and most of the time he's the only active worker but he doesn't do a damn thing to change anything. I figure he loves the attention, being the only active worker, and that's getting in the way of him changing something for the good of the message board. Maybe I'm wrong but I have a pretty good chance of being right.

To see AC/CC like this.. I feel like it's slowly dying, and I believe it is. It's not because people are losing interest because I know that people are still very interested.. But the workers barely ever update. They can't spare one minute of their damn time just to update a small little game.
Drastic changes or bust, I say.

[The_Missing_Link]

Pokemon Avengers: Ridiculous. The last post was 10 days ago. The CCCC has now captured all interest, and if you want to keep playing this game I advise a new worker.

How would a new worker help? The customers are needed, not another worker. I admit, Steve moving PA away from TPM was incredibly stupid on his part and all attention went to CCCC. So really, if PA fades away, it fades away. If you wanted to criticize it, you should've done it when it came back to TPM again

My biggest beef concerns with CCCC. I'm not complaining of activeness or PA not getting any customers but the way in which the customers there capture Pokemon. Honestly, in the game or in the anime, have you ever seen a Pokemon come straight up to a human and just instantly be friends with it, saying they know the person will be a good trainer? I seriously doubt it. The only way you should and can catch one is with a battle. I know some are captured with a battle but c'mon, Pokemon going submissive and wanting to be caught? No way in h*ll is that feasible

And I do agree that Jay helped significantly in shaping the CC but he's not the reason AC/CC fell apart. As we get older, our real lives start to interfer and our online usage grows smaller and smaller. Also, lack of interest in Pokemon is another reason as well as diminished interest in AC/CC as a whole. Not one person leaving can alter a whole forum. It takes time before a recession happens but with the AC/CC it usually bounces back somehow

[Sanitation Center]

Ugh I have to wait an hour or two to go offline ~_~ I didn't know this topic would fill up so quickly, but here goes.

Rambunctious Jamirus - Your argument about workers having a life is countered by one key factor: there are many others wanting to work at particular locations, and they can't if some inactive hogs are filling up the slots. If they're inactive and want to live their own lives, LEAVE the god damn businesses and give others a chance. Simple. Kyle and Frank being the two main examples.

I never said I wanted to work here, nor am I hinting it. I am just in awe over how this forum is all falling apart.

Missing Link - As I told you in the chat room I don't need to post to have some knowledge over how AC/CC is run. Reading does me fine. Thanks.

How do owners and moderators work? Don't moderators have power over the owners? I mean, that's what you guy's jobs are pretty much, monitoring the place. Use your powers for better use. Firing Frank and Kyle when no one else will is a fine start.

About merging currencies and destroying either the Arena and Range, that's like saying you should kill off one of the Adoption Centers or the Reward Center. There are distinct differences from each other, and like both the battle ranges, they have their own differences too, as Jay said, I think. It's not a reason to disallow the idea because it might kill off one of the ranges, because it won't unless you guys are going to by force.

About the only thing I agree with you on is the CCCC stuff, about befriending pokemon. But it has happened in the anime before where trainers have convinced wild pokemon that they should join them without fighting, but on the rare occasion... Though, in this case of the CCCC, the rare case where these pokemon are caught is by fighting them.

Kelly - I can't agree more than that. 0_o Amazing. Thing is people think Jay is an ******* because of his problems. Then people have to go lie and say that he hasn't done apologizing when he has *cough, bec, simon, suzie, cough*.

It's really true though. I wasn't around when Jay got demodded, really, but I've heard from both Cheesey and yourself that when Jay left, AC/CC, and even the whole of PCG, started to crumble because people like Bec and Suzie forced him to leave TPM for a few months. Most businesses relied on him as an owner, and he always assisted with every type of business struggle, and still tries his best to assist. Yet he flames a bit, he can't help it. If people understood him more, it would be a heck of a lot different.

Only people who don't want to believe that Jay was the heart of PCG were the ones who never think of sympathizing him. Personal issues he can't help.. The flaming he can't help, and how stressed he gets.. Why can't people understand it?

This place is terrible in that manner, and I really want to fix it for everyone. I don't know how, but I want to.

[Moonlight Espeon]

Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
Ugh I have to wait an hour or two to go offline ~_~ I didn't know this topic would fill up so quickly, but here goes.

Rambunctious Jamirus - Your argument about workers having a life is countered by one key factor: there are many others wanting to work at particular locations, and they can't if some inactive hogs are filling up the slots. If they're inactive and want to live their own lives, LEAVE the god damn businesses and give others a chance. Simple. Kyle and Frank being the two main examples.

I never said I wanted to work here, nor am I hinting it. I am just in awe over how this forum is all falling apart.

Missing Link - As I told you in the chat room I don't need to post to have some knowledge over how AC/CC is run. Reading does me fine. Thanks.

How do owners and moderators work? Don't moderators have power over the owners? I mean, that's what you guy's jobs are pretty much, monitoring the place. Use your powers for better use. Firing Frank and Kyle when no one else will is a fine start.

About merging currencies and destroying either the Arena and Range, that's like saying you should kill off one of the Adoption Centers or the Reward Center. There are distinct differences from each other, and like both the battle ranges, they have their own differences too, as Jay said, I think. It's not a reason to disallow the idea because it might kill off one of the ranges, because it won't unless you guys are going to by force.

About the only thing I agree with you on is the CCCC stuff, about befriending pokemon. But it has happened in the anime before where trainers have convinced wild pokemon that they should join them without fighting, but on the rare occasion... Though, in this case of the CCCC, the rare case where these pokemon are caught is by fighting them.

Kelly - I can't agree more than that. 0_o Amazing. Thing is people think Jay is an ******* because of his problems. Then people have to go lie and say that he hasn't done apologizing when he has *cough, bec, simon, suzie, cough*.

It's really true though. I wasn't around when Jay got demodded, really, but I've heard from both Cheesey and yourself that when Jay left, AC/CC, and even the whole of PCG, started to crumble because people like Bec and Suzie forced him to leave TPM for a few months. Most businesses relied on him as an owner, and he always assisted with every type of business struggle, and still tries his best to assist. Yet he flames a bit, he can't help it. If people understood him more, it would be a heck of a lot different.

Only people who don't want to believe that Jay was the heart of PCG were the ones who never think of sympathizing him. Personal issues he can't help.. The flaming he can't help, and how stressed he gets.. Why can't people understand it?

This place is terrible in that manner, and I really want to fix it for everyone. I don't know how, but I want to.

That whole post sums up what I've been trying to do for 6 months.
I've tried to make people understand Jay, I really have, but people do not listen. Some people here are just so thick-headed that arguing with them over a matter such as this is like telling a brick wall to move out of the way
Either knock some sense into yourselves or get off his ****ing back people

[Rambunctious Jamirus]

Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
Ugh I have to wait an hour or two to go offline ~_~ I didn't know this topic would fill up so quickly, but here goes.

Rambunctious Jamirus - Your argument about workers having a life is countered by one key factor: there are many others wanting to work at particular locations, and they can't if some inactive hogs are filling up the slots. If they're inactive and want to live their own lives, LEAVE the god damn businesses and give others a chance. Simple. Kyle and Frank being the two main examples.

I never said I wanted to work here, nor am I hinting it. I am just in awe over how this forum is all falling apart.

Well, heck, is it someone's fault if they're being held back from TPM because of an injury or trouble getting on the Net? No, it's not. I've been having trouble because my mother got injured playing soccer and she needs surgery on her knee. If the workers were to post at the businesses and say they can't handle it, then we'd have a hard time finding new workers 'cause, hey, TPM isn't that popular. Most of the members here have more than one account (take a look at the birthday list on the main page. There are at least four people with the same name and have a post count of less than 15 all together). I work at the Riddle Game but have been gone for a while. They let me keep my job because I'm back for another while. If I go missing again, they'll remind me and I'll tell them to cut me off.

And anyways, from the way you put it, it seems you want to make the people give up their jobs for more active, less experienced members to take over. I'll say, I was a worker at CCCC at one time but it's hard. There's a certain way to do it, factors implied, and other junk that needed to be known. It's harder IMO than being a ref at the Battle Tower. It's not just something a person can do in one minute as you put it. It takes at least fifteen minutes to get a good post for three people. More workers would just be there and there'd be an overrun. There'd be too many to actually post and there'd be at least one worker post for every one customer post. More workers isn't actually the answer and firing, quote, "inactive hogs" is just wrong. Ask them if they want to be fired because of their inactivity.


Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
Thing is people think Jay is an ******* because of his problems. Then people have to go lie and say that he hasn't done apologizing when he has *cough, bec, simon, suzie, cough*.

It's really true though. I wasn't around when Jay got demodded, really, but I've heard from both Cheesey and yourself that when Jay left, AC/CC, and even the whole of PCG, started to crumble because people like Bec and Suzie forced him to leave TPM for a few months. Most businesses relied on him as an owner, and he always assisted with every type of business struggle, and still tries his best to assist. Yet he flames a bit, he can't help it. If people understood him more, it would be a heck of a lot different.

Only people who don't want to believe that Jay was the heart of PCG were the ones who never think of sympathizing him. Personal issues he can't help.. The flaming he can't help, and how stressed he gets.. Why can't people understand it?

This place is terrible in that manner, and I really want to fix it for everyone. I don't know how, but I want to.

Okay look, I have nothing against Jay, I've been gone for the past six months and was surprised that he wasn't a Mod when I came back. I don't ask questions, I go along with things. I don't ask about personal problems with other people unless they're willing to talk. Taking flames out on other people is not our fault. It's not our fault that he's having this stress. I'll admit, I've gotten a bit annoyed with the posts he's been doing because it sounds like he's overreacting. Check the PCG rules in the original PCG forum or Hangman. We've gone thourgh at least ten posts of arguing over a simple concept as letters being words (i.e. I, A).
If you want to help, ask the owners. Mods just can't go in and say, 'I'm a Mod and I think you're fired.' It's not their job to do that. The owner is the one to decide who is right for the job and who isn't. If you want to complain, go to the owners. Mods aren't the ones you should be complaining to.

[The_Missing_Link]

How do owners and moderators work? Don't moderators have power over the owners? I mean, that's what you guy's jobs are pretty much, monitoring the place. Use your powers for better use. Firing Frank and Kyle when no one else will is a fine start.

It doesn't work that way. We have the power to remove unecessary posts due to spam and whatnot but we can't automatically just fire someone. If we are not involved in that particular business, we can't do squat about it. Only the workers/owner(s) there can make those decisions. I doubt the owner would like it if we just fired one of their workers because they were inactive or didn't do a good job. I can't do anything about firing Kyle because I never ran GT or worked there, the same with Frank and where he works (although he did work at PA and I fired him from that because he didn't do anything). Amy works at GT but she can't fire him because a whole group runs the place and they need to figure it out themselves

As for the whole Jay issue, it's only our opinions. We can't convince each other otherwise and I really don't want to anyway. I'm never going to say that Jay is/was the heart of AC/CC and PCG because many people contributed to making it what it is today and considering how big each forum is, one person can't really shape it into a utopia. Anyway, I'll just leave it at that and focus on the AC/CC issues

Edit: By the way, I never forced him to leave. I was one of the ones who persuaded Suzie to remod him when he was demodded the first time. And I know he has never formally apologized to me so don't mash me in with one whole group

[Sanitation Center]

Well, heck, is it someone's fault if they're being held back from TPM because of an injury or trouble getting on the Net? No, it's not. I've been having trouble because my mother got injured playing soccer and she needs surgery on her knee. If the workers were to post at the businesses and say they can't handle it, then we'd have a hard time finding new workers 'cause, hey, TPM isn't that popular. Most of the members here have more than one account (take a look at the birthday list on the main page. There are at least four people with the same name and have a post count of less than 15 all together). I work at the Riddle Game but have been gone for a while. They let me keep my job because I'm back for another while. If I go missing again, they'll remind me and I'll tell them to cut me off.
Frank's excuse has always been he's 'lazy'. Kyle's excuse has been that he's 'playing video games.' Neither excuse is approvable to me, and they've been hogging spots where Jay or possibly other people could be working instead. --; As far as I know, they were about to fire you also. They, being Kyle. Who is girl-worker-crazy.


And anyways, from the way you put it, it seems you want to make the people give up their jobs for more active, less experienced members to take over. I'll say, I was a worker at CCCC at one time but it's hard. There's a certain way to do it, factors implied, and other junk that needed to be known. It's harder IMO than being a ref at the Battle Tower. It's not just something a person can do in one minute as you put it. It takes at least fifteen minutes to get a good post for three people. More workers would just be there and there'd be an overrun. There'd be too many to actually post and there'd be at least one worker post for every one customer post. More workers isn't actually the answer and firing, quote, "inactive hogs" is just wrong. Ask them if they want to be fired because of their inactivity.
Calling Jay inexperienced was a VERY bad mistake. VERY. VERY. Bad. Don't say that ever again. That pisses me off more than anything by saying Jay has no/little experience.

Frank was asked, and he doesn't want to be fired because he just wants to 'hog' the spot, and that was pretty much his exact words. No one has talked about firing Kyle, but he NEEDS the boot desperately. Jay asked to be a worker at Goldenrod, and Jay has talked to various other people about gaining his position back at Crystal Caves. Both places he can't work at because these two hogs won't give up their spots --; I'm not being biased because these are two places where Jay wants to work, these were the two most obvious examples to me, and they were surprisingly Jay's top two choices of where he wants to work.

Okay look, I have nothing against Jay, I've been gone for the past six months and was surprised that he wasn't a Mod when I came back. I don't ask questions, I go along with things. I don't ask about personal problems with other people unless they're willing to talk. Taking flames out on other people is not our fault. It's not our fault that he's having this stress. I'll admit, I've gotten a bit annoyed with the posts he's been doing because it sounds like he's overreacting. Check the PCG rules in the original PCG forum or Hangman. We've gone thourgh at least ten posts of arguing over a simple concept as letters being words (i.e. I, A).
If you want to help, ask the owners. Mods just can't go in and say, 'I'm a Mod and I think you're fired.' It's not their job to do that. The owner is the one to decide who is right for the job and who isn't. If you want to complain, go to the owners. Mods aren't the ones you should be complaining to.
You don't even know Jay. How can you say that the people here haven't contributed to his depression? The net is his life. Everyone hates him in real life because he's always such a loner, and I know that. He uses the net because his best friends are here, and he treats TPM as his family. Don't give me that garbage that no one here has contributed to it.

And again, Jay has personality issues. If he could help them he would and make a better name for himself, which he has always talked to me about. He wouldn't go and whine over the smallest things like the letters I and A being words. It's just like how I think it's pathetic and sad that you have to counteract by saying that Jay deserves no sympathy.

I'm also pretty sure he won't appreciate your post either. I'm awaiting until he posts, but really, know the facts before you assume. Because you're acting like a heartless *****.

I will apologise for that last sentence in that previous paragraph, but if you can't sympathise people for problems they can't control, then you really deserve to be called that.

I have nothing to say to your post Bec, I agree, if it's your opinion there's nothing I can do about it. All I know is he did apologise to you in PM, and he's more than happy to apologise again, though even he is confuzzled 0_o

[Rambunctious Jamirus]

Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
Frank's excuse has always been he's 'lazy'. Kyle's excuse has been that he's 'playing video games.' Neither excuse is approvable to me, and they've been hogging spots where Jay or possibly other people could be working instead. --; As far as I know, they were about to fire you also. They, being Kyle. Who is girl-worker-crazy.

All right then, take it to owners. Dont' complain here in public when the person isn't on to fight back. And they could've fired me, it wouldn't make a difference. They have quite a few workers helping out and the owner asked if I wanted to keep my job, not just fire me when I wasn't on to defend myself. It's cowardly and avoids suspicions.


Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
Calling Jay inexperienced was a VERY bad mistake. VERY. VERY. Bad. Don't say that ever again. That pisses me off more than anything by saying Jay has no/little experience.

I said nothing of the sort. I didn't imply it in any way at all. I said, quote, "And anyways, from the way you put it, it seems you want to make the people give up their jobs for more active, less experienced members to take over." I said nothing about Jay or anyone I know of in that post. You are taking this the wrong way. I am saying about less experienced members that signed up in the past few months and have little to no idea on what they are doing. Stop twisting what I say to include Jay in that whole paragraph that had nothing to do, imply, etc. about him.



Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
Frank was asked, and he doesn't want to be fired because he just wants to 'hog' the spot, and that was pretty much his exact words. No one has talked about firing Kyle, but he NEEDS the boot desperately. Jay asked to be a worker at Goldenrod, and Jay has talked to various other people about gaining his position back at Crystal Caves. Both places he can't work at because these two hogs won't give up their spots --; I'm not being biased because these are two places where Jay wants to work, these were the two most obvious examples to me, and they were surprisingly Jay's top two choices of where he wants to work.

The owners have their opinion of who they want to work for them or not. More workers can work there if the owner feels like they need a new worker. But at the rate Jay is going with his outbursts and how he's starting to overreact with simple things, it's not helping him any. You can't fire an owner just because he's inactive, he founded it. Taking away the ownership of one's idea ruins the competition that happened to get a new Capture Center when the other one had to be closed because of inactivity with everything: customers and workers.
And no one is not biased. We are all biased. You have one view, I have another. We're both biased in our opinions.


Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
]You don't even know Jay. How can you say that the people here haven't contributed to his depression? The net is his life. Everyone hates him in real life because he's always such a loner, and I know that. He uses the net because his best friends are here, and he treats TPM as his family. Don't give me that garbage that no one here has contributed to it.

And again, Jay has personality issues. If he could help them he would and make a better name for himself, which he has always talked to me about. He wouldn't go and whine over the smallest things like the letters I and A being words. It's just like how I think it's pathetic and sad that you have to counteract by saying that Jay deserves no sympathy.

Go check out the last three pages of Hangman. It's there in hard fact. I've known him since he opened Hangman and he has never acted this way. I don't know his personal life, okay? I don't know him in the flesh. I have the personality he has on the Net. It has changed since I've been gone. I don't know if it was because he was demodded or because his accoutn was banned, okay? I'm not saying that he deserves no sympathy but since I haven't heard any of this, I can't take it into account. I couldn't when I posted before. If I knew his personal life, then I'd understand better. But since I don't and you are the one giving it instead of him, I can't be sure who to listen to.


Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
I'm also pretty sure he won't appreciate your post either. I'm awaiting until he posts, but really, know the facts before you assume. Because you're acting like a heartless *****.

I will apologise for that last sentence in that previous paragraph, but if you can't sympathise people for problems they can't control, then you really deserve to be called that.

Call me whatever you want. I have my view, you have yours. Get over it. I know the facts I know, you know yours. I have not insulted him in any way that I am aware of than what I believe is fact. Anyone can account the posts he's made in Hangman that he's overreacting with a simple rule. I can sympathisize for people with their problems if I know the problem to begin with. If I don't, how can I sympathisize for a problem I don't know about? It's not possible.

[Aipom Of Doom]

yay ~_~.

Anyway, a few things I want to say:

Stamps/CCPs should stay seperate, in my opinion. There really isn't much reason I see for combining them... Unless you people can somehow keep track of all of your Pokemon and items an stuff, but are incapable of saving two numbers o_O. Maybe we can have a Stamp-CCP exchanger with a small tax for exchanging. currencies or something. Or you can hoard items that you can barter with or sell for either currency when you want to.

As for buisnesses, yes, some are inactive... But a lot of that IS because of lack of interest rather than lack of workers. As for the DT battle range, there simply needs to be more chances to write battles, which would probably fix much of the inactivity there. two-month old scenerios don't help activity =/

And another thing... No offense to Jay or anything... but he isn't some sort of AC/CC god <_<. Yes, he's been very significant in recent AC/CC history, and yes, he has worked at and been active with many of the games. However, most of the current AC/CC system (minus the CCCC/PA situation) came well before Jay's height of power.

[Moonlight Espeon]

You don't know who to listen to? Zei and I know Jay a hell of a lot better than you do, and we understand his problems and actually ask, unlike you who's just complaining about not knowing about them.
And part of what you said made no sense whatsoever. Everyone's opinion is biased? Yes, that may be true because their opinion is biased to themselves, but what she means is that her opinion is not based on the two of them being friends. Her opinion is based on the good of the forum, and she knows how active he was. She knows how important he was to AC/CC.
Yes, I have seen the last 3 pages of Hangman but you're the one making a big deal about it. He simply wanted you to use more than 5 words and single-letter words didn't count. You could have just followed his opinion without arguing with him about it, but no, you had to be stubborn about it and fight with him basically just because you felt like it.
If you give me one good reason that you're going against Jay, state it now and I will be able to say that you are entitled to your opinion and no more than that. From what I can see right now, you're simply going against Jay because of Hangman, and that is not a good enough reason to go against him. You do not know enough about him to say anything you're saying. Learn your facts before you argue. (this part was all directed at Rambunctious Jamirus)

As for Danny: I would advise you to shut up about this, the only reason you're saying that is because you want some of the attention also and you know it.

[Sanitation Center]

Rambunctious Jamirus - You're the one making me argue for Jay. You don't know him. Stop whining about it. I don't need, neither have I permission to tell you guys his exact problems. It's not my damn fault, don't go all out on me for it.

Danny - Only thing I say to you, is that if you don't consider Jay as some AC/CC God, you need to a) stop treating yourself as one, and b) stop treating Cheesey as one. He is highly better than both you and Cheesey, and all you are is Cheesey's *****. Cut it out.

This is turning into a flame thread, and I don't want any of the posts deleted, so maybe we should cut it out and say what we feel about the AC/CC stuff? If you don't know Jay properly, don't whine about how he's such an *** if you don't know him. That just hurts him, and it also hurts me and probably some others here too. Cyndaquil decided to hate him for no reason, you decide what you should do if one of your close friends decides to go against you in a matter of seconds, with no way of resolving it. I'd be quite annoyed, and this is pretty much the way Jay's whole online life has revolved around.

[Aipom Of Doom]

Originally posted by Aquatic Fury
You don't know who to listen to? Zei and I know Jay a hell of a lot better than you do, and we understand his problems and actually ask, unlike you who's just complaining about not knowing about them.

As if you're not doing the exact same thing to darkprince? Not saying that it's the same situation, but looking hypocritical like that doesn't help your cause <_<.


Originally posted by Aquatic Fury
As for Danny: I would advise you to shut up about this, the only reason you're saying that is because you want some of the attention also and you know it.

Hmm... I thought you and Zei wanted moderators to post? Anyway, I fail to see how I'm posting only for attention, and how you aren't. And since when am I denied an opinion?



Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
Danny - Only thing I say to you, is that if you don't consider Jay as some AC/CC God, you need to a) stop treating yourself as one, and b) stop treating Cheesey as one. He is highly better than both you and Cheesey, and all you are is Cheesey's *****. Cut it out.

... Wow, most incorrect paragraph I've read all day.

[Sanitation Center]

I'm not up for an English lecture either ^_^; Just get this worker problem sorted, that's all I'm asking.

[Rambunctious Jamirus]

Originally posted by Aquatic Fury
You don't know who to listen to? Zei and I know Jay a hell of a lot better than you do, and we understand his problems and actually ask, unlike you who's just complaining about not knowing about them.

I'm not complaining that I didn't know his problems. I'm stating I did not know his problems. I can't take anything into account for he hasn't posted anything about this. I don't think he'd like his personal life thrown into this so let's leave it alone. I don't know him off of TPM, I have never known him off of TPM, I don't want to know anything about him off of TPM unless he says something.


Originally posted by Aquatic Fury
And part of what you said made no sense whatsoever. Everyone's opinion is biased? Yes, that may be true because their opinion is biased to themselves, but what she means is that her opinion is not based on the two of them being friends. Her opinion is based on the good of the forum, and she knows how active he was. She knows how important he was to AC/CC.

Yes, it includes what they think, not what everyone thinks. Take the War in Iraq, we have people who are against it and people who are for it. That's bias. Textbooks are biased. Newspaper reports are biased. News is biased. Every opinion on what people think is right is biased. They don't include what other people think, tehy include what they think. Back to textbooks, there's a tiny paragraph in American textbooks about a massacre by the military in Colorado or a state by Texas. It states that the military killed 13 women and children by burning tents because of a miner strike. That's it says. Don't you want to know why they resulted in this? It won't tell you because it makes America look bad. Just like other things.


Originally posted by Aquatic Fury
Yes, I have seen the last 3 pages of Hangman but you're the one making a big deal about it. He simply wanted you to use more than 5 words and single-letter words didn't count. You could have just followed his opinion without arguing with him about it, but no, you had to be stubborn about it and fight with him basically just because you felt like it.
If you give me one good reason that you're going against Jay, state it now and I will be able to say that you are entitled to your opinion and no more than that. From what I can see right now, you're simply going against Jay because of Hangman, and that is not a good enough reason to go against him. You do not know enough about him to say anything you're saying. Learn your facts before you argue.

Excuse me? I didn't get in the argumnt until it reached ten posts. It was Cyndaquil and Jay going at it. I stated what I thought was right and left it at that. Don't tell me that I was the one being stubborn. The argument started and heated up then and I was just tired of no posts for the actual game.
I am not against Jay. I'm neutral with him but some of his posts are starting to get out of hand IMO. If I knew the facts you knew, then I wouldn't be agruing now would I? I have my facts, you have yours. I know mine and you know yours.
You want to know something, he mocked Cyndaquil in the PCG rules topic because Cyndaquil caught a small mistake. Go check that out. I've seen some of his posts and they're looking more like outbursts now then ever.
And you don't know enough about me to say that I don't know him. I know his TPM self, not his personal one. People, get that through. If he wants to involve his personal life and his frustration, then he shouldn't take it out on members who don't know this. That's all I'm saying, implying, whatever you think. Back off and we'll discuss this via PM or IM.

[Wolfsong]

Ok, everyone take a deep breath and calm down.

Now first of all, I'm neutral as far as the cc/ac currency topic is concerned. I can see some pros and cons for both sides.

Second i know latly i havent' been active in posting, mainly because of a serious amoutn of work for school, but i have been checkign in on the topics and stuff. For example this week i had two tests and a paper and i had hurt my back last weekend. I know it doesn' excuse it but i have been checking on things even if i didn't post. Personally, I'm kind of glad i wasn't hired at the GT. I have enough things on my plate.

I also don't care much for the ones that join the team immediately. I do it some, mainly for people who have just started out or something, though lately i've tried when i'd post not to have them go immediately. I know that there've been a couple of my old captees that i couldn't develop a personality for and the ones i'm talking about willingly joined my team right away. For captured pokemon. In my opinion, it hurts the ability to see what they're like and all that unless you already have a personality planned for them when you find it. Hope that wasn't confusing.

I also think that all of the workers have contributed to the topic in their own right and should be recognized. I'm friends with Jay and cheesey and almost all of the ac/cc workers. All of the workers past and present in the topics should be tolerated and not openly flamed or put down. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinions. I do agree that a few things could be done to improve activity, but overall i think things are semidecent.

Edit: in hopes of making it less confusing ^^;;

[The_Missing_Link]

You know what we need, people? A cooling off period. Let us clear our heads for a while and regroup. I will reopen this in the morning and any more discussion of Jay after that will be deleted. All that will be accepted is discussion of the AC/CC in general

Aquatic Fury: You wanted the mod's opinions and you got them. When have we acted all god-like and such? As far as I'm concerned, never. I think you're getting worked up over all of this and should cool down. I'm with Danny on the fact that Jay has only done a lot for AC/CC in recent years. Early history is credited to ETB, Gabi, Scott, Conner, QS Steve and whoever else did a lot back then. As for the forum as a whole, it goes to Vidgamer, Conner, L_3_F and the others. The later mods just tweak rules and smooth things over

If you guys want to continue this over PM/AIM, that's fine with us. Let's just keep private discussions off the board in the future

[pokemasterfrank]

Alrighty...


Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
Crystal Caves: Something REALLY needs to be done about Crystal Cave's owner Pokemasterfrank. He NEVER posts but yet, no one will discuss about firing him. He always says he wants his spot because it makes him feel important, yet he makes what, one update a month? That is a very poor owner example. Amy hasn't updated in weeks, and Cheesey is setting a poor example by not doing jack about the worker problem lately. The new workers won't even update when he isn't around. Were they really the right decision?

I agree with some of this section. I never post, thats right. I know that. And Cheesey had did stuff about it. He hired a few new workers. Cheesey is doing a great job as owner, I think. What really irks me about your post, other than you blatently insulting people, is that your quoting me from a nonexistant source. I had never said that I want it because it makes me feel important. I've been asked in the past by some people about how much I want the CCCC ownership. My responce always was that I never wanted to feel attached to it. Some people would bite people's heads off just to stay in power. I didn't want that to happen to me. I said that I would be willing to step down if asked to (though I'm thinking of making you an exception because you're a liar). And also, I have thought about stepping down, but there had been people encouraging me to continue (though I really don't deserve the position :/). Anyway, don't lie about stuff, alright. Yes, change is needed, but lying to get it isn't good at all.


Goldenrod Tower: It's also other places, such as Goldenrod. Cheesey decided to make a magical disappearance, and if it's no other reason than his computer broke down, I think that's a poor example of him being an owner, too.... And Dark Prince? I don't even NEED to explain why he doesn't deserve his owner position at Goldenrod Tower. He says his video games take up most of his time and he can't update, yet, he still is able to post pretty much everywhere else at TPM? Eamon and Danny were better than I thought, though. Another worker there, please, possibly exchanging for Dark Prince so he can go and play his silly video games.

I'm not comprehending. Are you saying that if his reason is that his computer broke, than its not a good reason, or are you saying that if his reason is something other than his computer broke, that it is a bad reason? o_O And I think someone said that DP revamps old games as a job/hobby or something? *shrugs*


Buena's Radio Show: Same with the Crystal Caves, why the hell does Pokemasterfrank work there? He updated a little recently, but I look back and see nothing posted. The place is speedily racking up with many questions and no one updates. Aragornbird was hired because he posted there regularly, yet, where is he? Danny is barely keeping it alive, but I strongly suggest another worker there.

Alright. First of all, I'm not an owner anymore, and I frankly didn't deserve it. Aragornbird has a lot to do, he works practically everywhere. Give him some slack.


Expedia: Not much of a fan of this place, but it's SO inactive I can't believe it. Aragornbird (AGAIN) barely posts and updates there, and Pikachu101 has only updated a couple of times. I hear the place is really hard to update, but still, it's not an excuse that Gabi should make all the updates there. Who is Avian Freeze? Why is he still working there? I know he's an owner, but is this going to be like Pokemasterfrank? Just because he helped make the place, does it mean he automatically works there for the rest of his life? I suggest more workers at that place... a LOT more. It's dying because of it's activity.

I think you meant inactivity in the last sentence. Avain Freeze disappeared a while back. Anyway...


Moderators: It's about time I had to complain... But, why does EVERY SINGLE PCG MODERATOR avoid public discussions? I think everyone knows Jay is right and they don't want to argue, but really, you are all making it worse by not contributing. He is setting a better example than every moderator here ten fold, and all of you know it. I can't believe this... You're great examples, aren't you?

I'm very pissed off about this. Moderators, do something for god sake.

And about the life thing. Yes, its hard to believe, but some of us want to enjoy our lives away from TPM every once in a while. In my Freshman year of High School (last year), I wandered my way back to TPM and joined the forums. I got into RPG, Fanfics, and AC/CC. When I was hired at BRS, I would update every chance I could (and left my homework to rot). After about three months, I guess I burned out. I also found that if I didn't do AC/CC so much (I was literally wondering around TPM all the time until someone wanted an update), I would get homework done. You expect the workers and owners to be fully devoted to AC/CC. We have lives. If I devoted myself fully to TPM, I probably wouldn't be able to go into college in 1 1/2 years because my grades would suck. And sitting around in front of a computer screen all day isn't healthy either >_>

Kelly - Yes I don't deserve it. I don't update at all. I should update at least once a day or something, but I don't, alright.


Originally posted by TML
My biggest beef concerns with CCCC. I'm not complaining of activeness or PA not getting any customers but the way in which the customers there capture Pokemon. Honestly, in the game or in the anime, have you ever seen a Pokemon come straight up to a human and just instantly be friends with it, saying they know the person will be a good trainer? I seriously doubt it. The only way you should and can catch one is with a battle. I know some are captured with a battle but c'mon, Pokemon going submissive and wanting to be caught? No way in h*ll is that feasible

I agree. Most of the workers are a bit too easy on this aspect. For the times I had updated, I had made it harder for people to capture (though I dont' update enough to make a difference anyway >_>).


Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
Frank's excuse has always been he's 'lazy'. Kyle's excuse has been that he's 'playing video games.' Neither excuse is approvable to me, and they've been hogging spots where Jay or possibly other people could be working instead. --; As far as I know, they were about to fire you also. They, being Kyle. Who is girl-worker-crazy.

Its not an excuse. Its fact. I'm a lazy bum. There have been hour periods in which I could have chosen to do an update, but played Halo instead. I chose to spend what little free time I have at the moment to play a game instead of update. But still, I'd like to see you try to work all the time and not play. Imagine this, you come home from a long day at school. Your tired out, because of your lack of sleep and overconsumption of caffiene. You plop into your chair. Do you want to work? I bet you'd feel like you'd want a break. I know I do. I take some time off from everything, and then jump into my homework (or procrastinate...though I should update in that time or something, right?). And I don't do it to hog spots. I've considered many times in the past to hand ownership down to Jay, but he keeps encouraging me to continue there, if it makes you feel any better >_>


Originally posted by Haunted Toilet
Frank was asked, and he doesn't want to be fired because he just wants to 'hog' the spot, and that was pretty much his exact words. No one has talked about firing Kyle, but he NEEDS the boot desperately. Jay asked to be a worker at Goldenrod, and Jay has talked to various other people about gaining his position back at Crystal Caves. Both places he can't work at because these two hogs won't give up their spots --; I'm not being biased because these are two places where Jay wants to work, these were the two most obvious examples to me, and they were surprisingly Jay's top two choices of where he wants to work.

Again, thanks for lying, your really giving an impression that your a good person >_>. I have never said I wanted to hog the spot. I have said before that I would be willing to dump my spot off if someone asks (and again, your lying *** makes me think I shouldn't honor your request because you don't deserve it).

Kelly... "As for Danny: I would advise you to shut up about this, the only reason you're saying that is because you want some of the attention also and you know it." <---- Thats a great way to continue a mature conversation >_>

Alright, anyway. If you want me out, fine. But don't lie your way into it. If you ask me to leave, I will (but Haunted Toilet, don't even bring it up to me. I won't honor any of your lies.). And dude, TML is right, if you don't get your info directly, don't start something up.

EDIT: I'm a horrible speller... ._.;;;

[Jay]

*Looks at Kyle in ummmm* I really don't think he'd be the right choice to keep going at Goldenrod. Sure, people have lives, but if your excuse is going to be that your playing video games and can't be bothered to update specifically for GT where you can post at other places such as CCCC and BT, then give someone else a go. =/ However, Cheesey's activity is ranking up to Kyle's lately, and that's not good either...

I've never had a problem with Frank, since he contributes outside of Crystal Caves and sets up tournaments. I don't know... If he quits it will be up to him. I talked to him yesterday and stuff and he wasn't sure, so maybe just give him time to decide. Edit: *just read above* *sigh*

I have one thing to contribute to my 'argument' -- If you're not willing to ask about my problems, then please, just shut up about how I'm a bad person if you have no clue about what my life is like. Okay? I'm dealing it tough right now.

[Lady Vulpix]

A lot is going on here. Why don't we have a chat (or more) to discuss it? Everyone's invited, just set a date and time.

[Crystalmaster Mike]

Ladeedadeedadeedadeeda... *hops into argument , Red Riding Hood style*


Hey, it's me! Former GT worker! *people stare* The guy that stepped aside and had his place given to Eamon? *people stare* That lurker-worker? *people get slight spark of remembering in eyes* Now we're talking...

Okay then, let me first tell you about how I'm rather ignorant of ancient AC/CC history. (Just so you guys can save yourselves the troubles of saying it yourselves.) But, I do know the part of the 'history' I lived meself. So, I entered the game of AP early May 2003. After a rather active period, I got 'workered' at the GT late June 2003. What happened afterwards can still be read at the current GT version. In short, I slacked.

But, moving to more relevantism: I became the co-worker of Danny, Kyle and Jay. Some time after, Jay left and after a while, Chris was workered (or vice-versa, my memory's slacking).
I'm well aware I don't know much about Chris' TPM history: when I first got to know him, I thought he was fairly new to the forums; it wasn't until quite some time afterwards I discovered his having many other jobs (e.g. at the CCCC) and having been around for quite some time already at TPM.
But, my ignorance put aside, I grew to appreciate this "cheesy" fellow. He was quite enthousiastic, and quite active (which couldn't be said from me). And in random AIM conversations with him, I had (and hopefully will still have) a good laugh.

In the relatively short time here at AC/CC I've grown to known Cheesey a little bit: he's enthousiastic, active, and seemingly good at multi-tasking (though I really only kept track of his 'tasks' at the GT). So if he's going through some short of inactive period now, you can't yet fire (or flame) him for it, since it hasn't become a habit of him yet, unlike for my case.


Now, Jay:
You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Ray Jay ... and you'd still not know everything. What I'm trying to say is, in no way I know what Jay means, has meant, or will mean for the AC/CC, or for any of the workers working there currently or in the past (e.g. Cheesey). I can only speak from the little tads of his I've seen myself.
When I first bumped into his person, his comments, some sarcastic, some cynical, some some other things, immediately sprung into view. But I didn't really get what the people were flaming him about. When I got to work with him, nothing abnormal really struck me; I never really searched for anything, either. When Jay got fired/resigned/whatever as a mod, and began being active after a while again, I noticed his posts and comments, for me, seemed to be more sharp. Then again, I had and have no idea what's going on behind his keyboard, so I don't know.

I only know that I find it... odd that he's such a topical subject (search for 'Jay' on the last 2, 3 pages and you'll know what I mean). How important and respected he might have been in the past, and how important and respected he might be now, I don't see how one guy, even such a 'Faithless' one, can make the difference between a forum's revival, and its funeral.


About job-hogging hoggers in general: yes, leave them their lives. Yes, make them aware of the fact their absence has a negative effect. Yes, make sure they have a respectable amount of updates on their name in one version of a thread.
But no, don't replace them by eager, fresh guys and gals without careful analysis of the candidates on beforehand. Their eagerness might fade too soon, and their 'freshness' in AC/CC might not be so 'cool'...
I'm fully aware I'm now going against Eamon's workering, but I don't care. For, that case is closed, it's finished, it's locked, let's move on, and select new workers very carefully in the future, (perhaps a type of contest with rules and regulations every AC/CC-er can live with?) so no new hoggers may arise and occupy places, with new arguments like this one following closeby.


Ladeedadeedadeedadeeda... *hops out of argument , Red Riding Hood style*

[Jay]

A time whenever you feel is appropriate, Gabi.

As time is moving, I'm starting to slowly despise Cheesey over some 'lies', but that's moving into his personal life. Sooo, let's not go there. It's just that because of this, I'm reacting rather belligerent towards where he works, but still, no problem yet.

You people who are bitching about people having lives.. Zei is correct when she says that there are people wanting to have worker positions at some places. If they want to go play their games or lead a better personal life, let them. It's not our benefit so much, it's theirs. It comes both ways, I guess. It's basically decided on the business. If it's a place such as Goldenrod Tower or CCCC, where a lot of people would probably like to work there, and a particular one or two workers are so inactive that they can't keep up anymore, then it would be best for them to leave. You saw how many applications there were for CCCC, right? Lots. This isn't involving my opinion on Frank at all, I'm just stating an example.

I don't really have much to say on how I set the funeral to PCG by leaving, but none of these problems arose while I was here, agree? People who like me tell me that I left a big impression on the place when I came and left, and people who don't tell me that they don't want me or others to believe so. I'm not saying I set the death bed or renewal of ACCC/PCG, but I did set some sort of mark when I left. I plan to help fix everything up, too, whether people think I'm going to act cynical about it or not. I plan to.

Ah right.. Please don't call me cynical, I very disapprove that I am. Was, but am not. The best you can call me without offending me is tight, and yes, I do think I'm tight. People react differently to people acting tight and people acting carefree, but I feel the message gets across easily when I'm tight, or cynical, whatever. My frustration blends in to this, so if you can't approve with me I will eventually explode. It's just stuff I can't help. I've assaulted my parents a lot of the time in real life because of silly, minor things that I cannot help (it's just some sort of cynicalness that takes over me), and it's exactly the same here, though no one here understands every part of me. So, yeah, quiet now about my problems. If you have some sort of issue about this then IM / PM me, I hate it when it gets onto the boards for everyone to read.

Also, one thing about Cheesey is his inactiveness at the Battle Tower. This is not acting biased because I hate him, because I don't. He's still one of my very good friends, and hopefully, whenever he returns and we resolve our problems, he will be my best friend again too. He has only reffed a battle or two in his whole time when he was hired, and that was the time I was on my Jay account still (in November, was it?). Ah I remember that, I asked for my spot back but couldn't because Cheesey took the last worker spot, and I had a major argument and fight to get that spot back, but lost it again because I got banned. And won't be getting it back.

Please realise no one is 'special' here, at least, not outstandingly. All you people are making it out that Cheesey is special, and some think I am special. We're all equal, treat each other the same. We're a family.

[Lady Vulpix]

As far as the Battle Range goes, I hope its new addition will help.
Also, since everybody's saying we should be able to use stamps, and the reason why we've never used them is gone, I guess we can put that in effect too.

[phaedrus]

When I was back on Pokemasters when it was on the old-old-old site, we could trade Pokemon. Is that still legal here? just wondering :D

[Jay]

Yep, trading is still possible.

[Lady Vulpix]

Congrats, Jay! You've just earned yourself a stamp at the rules topic! ¢

[Nefarious]

I have three questions before I begin, and I think this would be the best place to do it.

1) I can't find a spot that really explains bred-on moves. Is it that when I adopt a Pokemon, I can pick one TM move it can learn, and make it as if it knows the move? =/

2) Can I take my Adopted Pokemon to the Capture Center to level them by just fighting the wild Pokemon? If not, can I take any Captured Pokemon I may find, and fight wild Pokemon to level them?

3) If I were to battle someone else, could I use a combination of my Adopted and Captured Pokemon?

Thanks a lot. =)

[andyizcool]

1) I can't find a spot that really explains bred-on moves. Is it that when I adopt a Pokemon, I can pick one TM move it can learn, and make it as if it knows the move? =/

2) Can I take my Adopted Pokemon to the Capture Center to level them by just fighting the wild Pokemon? If not, can I take any Captured Pokemon I may find, and fight wild Pokemon to level them?

3) If I were to battle someone else, could I use a combination of my Adopted and Captured Pokemon?

Thanks a lot. =)
1) When you adopt a Pokemon it gets a Move that can be bred onto it in game so like a Charmander getting the breed on move Swords Dance.

2) You can't take your adopted Pokemon to the Capture Centre because adopted Pokemon and captured Pokemon are totally different. You can't level up fighting wild Pokemon because you're ment to catch them or fight them away.

3) You can battle other people but you can't use both adopted Pokemon and captured Pokemon together just one or the other.

[Lady Vulpix]

And Andy gets a stamp. Welcome back!
For more questions, refer to the FAQ (http://forboards.tripod.com/FAQ.html).
If you still have questions, post them here or PM me. You may help me make the FAQ better. :)

[Linc]

I'm not sure this is in the right thread but oh well...
I don't get how to get somebody to post the parts where you are capturing pokemon or how to get them to know your there and do you need to get pokeballs anywhere to capture pokemon? Someone tell me. Thx!

[Aipom Of Doom]

I'm not sure this is in the right thread but oh well...
I don't get how to get somebody to post the parts where you are capturing pokemon or how to get them to know your there and do you need to get pokeballs anywhere to capture pokemon? Someone tell me. Thx!

Err... I'm not sure if I understand what you're asking, but if you want to join in at the capture centers, just look at the first post to see what regions there are, and then pick one and go there. You get Pokeballs from both places when you start, I beleive. Just look in the first post or ask there ;o.

[Linc]

Err... I'm not sure if I understand what you're asking, but if you want to join in at the capture centers, just look at the first post to see what regions there are, and then pick one and go there. You get Pokeballs from both places when you start, I beleive. Just look in the first post or ask there ;o.
Oh crap now I get it! Boy am I stupid! :p :nut:

[Nefarious]

Thanks a lot for the help. I understand things a lot better now. =)

[Crystalmaster Mike]

I'd like to enter Expedia one of these days, but before I do, I've got a couple of questions:

Since you can enter both an Adopted and a Captured Pokémon, where does this adventure fit in in relation to the other storylines, if anywhere? I'm asking with the eye on possibly referring to the things my Pokémon do there at the Eevee House or at the Battle Range.
Is it possible to change one of your "own" Pokémon? E.g. not the Pokémon you encounter there, but one of your AP/CP's.
CCPs or Stamps?

[Lady Vulpix]

1. Nowhere. It's a different storyline. But if you want to talk about it in your stories, you can refer to it as a game you've been playing.
2. What do you mean by change? Switch them for another? In that case, no. Pokemon cannot be switched unless they're traded or given away, or you decide to start over (like a few poeple have done).
3. Either. Both. Whichever you prefer.

[Crystalmaster Mike]

1. Nowhere. It's a different storyline. But if you want to talk about it in your stories, you can refer to it as a game you've been playing.
Yeah, because I don't like the idea for my Adoptees to have mysteriously gained a level, without me being able to come up with an explanation that works in the DT Universe.

2. What do you mean by change? Switch them for another? In that case, no. Pokemon cannot be switched unless they're traded or given away, or you decide to start over (like a few poeple have done).
Well, that seems logical, looking at the above. But it'd still be weird: one minute you're at the bottom of Maiden's Peak, and the next, you're "stranded" back on Welcome Beach.

[Jay]

Question: Doesn't the whole concept of AC/CC appear to be dying? I mean, why bother with it? I left the place because there's no fun in it anymore -- some key people of AC/CC either left, or lost their importance, and in my eyes all businesses appear to be losing its momentum. Especially CCCC and BRS.

Another thing: this place should be in RPG. Why is it in PCG anyway, anymore? You made the subforum to organise the place, now you need to put it in its right place at TPM. If you've looked at other big places, the adoption centers and stuff were put in the RPG place. Why? You're roleplaying.

I think the only reason why you aren't going to move AC/CC over to RPG is because every current PCG mod is dependant on AC/CC. Hence if it's moved, they aren't needed here anymore.

[Wolfsong]

Question: Doesn't the whole concept of AC/CC appear to be dying? I mean, why bother with it? I left the place because there's no fun in it anymore -- some key people of AC/CC either left, or lost their importance, and in my eyes all businesses appear to be losing its momentum. Especially CCCC and BRS.

Another thing: this place should be in RPG. Why is it in PCG anyway, anymore? You made the subforum to organise the place, now you need to put it in its right place at TPM. If you've looked at other big places, the adoption centers and stuff were put in the RPG place. Why? You're roleplaying.

I think the only reason why you aren't going to move AC/CC over to RPG is because every current PCG mod is dependant on AC/CC. Hence if it's moved, they aren't needed here anymore.

I'm tired as I type this so if there are typos or something bear in mind that.

I really don't think its dying. We've had a couple of new people join latley. While some topics aren't as active there are still others that are.

Its not really a role playing game. Its more like a large scale multiplayer game. We rate peoples stories based on the quality of them. Also we have places where you can take the rewards you earned and buy stuff for your pokes. Also really theres no steady theme. The scenarios change, albeit slow sometimes btu htere is the rbgs as well. There is also the battle tower, and the breeding center where you battle like the game boy games. I havent' looked at "other big sites" I'm jsut going on how things are here in the subforum. There may be some aspects but i dont think that its enough to have it moved. Its been here in PCG for as long as i can remember anyway ^^;

I myself am not depended on AC/CC. Sure alot of my posts are here. However i am trying to post more in the main section. I was sidelined lately with a paper i had for nurtition and a few tests last week in a few other classes. Sure thats not an excuse but i was still coming here and checking up on things. In fact, i need to go and post in the rpg that i am in. I know that isn't an excuse, btu school is important as well. Not trying to be rude, jsut trying to explain things the way i see it at least.

[Jay]

I'm not the one to argue with you, Amy, I'll just say that's reasonable.

Buying the items and stuff for your 'adoptees/captees' is roleplaying more than it being a game, no? The whole concept is based around imaginary pokemon that you can capture and adopt. I guess it doesn't really matter where this ends up, I think it's RPG more than anything now it has a subforum, but really, there should be a moderator who is fully active in the main part of PCG, rather than AC/CC. PCG was supposed to be structured around polls, games, and clubs. Not adoption centers and capture centers.

You would probably be the most active of the current three that posts everywhere here, so that's good. I would prefer to see equal activity in both parts and not biased activity.

Particularly at Bec / Danny, if you structure your whole PCG experiences around adoption and capture centers, then mod the subforum, not the whole of PCG. That's kind of pointless in the end.

[Cheesey]

Just thought I might as well confirm it here, but I'm resigning from all the positions I have here. But now for the main point of this post...

In early March I vanished because I didn't have the urge to come online and talk to people, come to TPM and post around the place. It just didn't have the same appeal as it once did. So I just didn't return... I began working on a social life and it pretty much worked, so I didn't come back and explain this sooner, which I know I should've. And now that i've posted... This doesn't have the same appeal. It seems more of a chore. And I just can't cope with the pressure. I'm sorry but I'm not going to work here any longer. I'll come online now and again, but I'm not going to be an active member.

I expect Kelly and Jay are going to hate me (if they don't already, I've lost track) but there's nothing I'm going to do. I'm not putting up with the strain it's been putting on me.

I'll be around, but not much. =/ See y'all. ^^

[Lady Vulpix]

Well, it's good to know what your disappearance was about, and also that you're doing well. I hope everything goes well for you.

[andyizcool]

All the major Workers here are disappearing but we're all still holding together luckily. Does anyone know the reason for all their disappearances? I know TPM has sure change because it's got less active but some good things are still going on. TPM is a friendly place to be and I just feel a bit sad that some major Workers at AC/CC are leaving.

[Crystalmaster Mike]

All the major Workers here are disappearing but we're all still holding together luckily. Does anyone know the reason for all their disappearances?
Well, I don't know the reason for all of their disappearances (as in, for each and every one of them), but I think I've seen some fragments of the general picture. It's got to do a bit with the stress the job comes with, a bit with the final/further exploration of life off-line; sometimes it has to do with the fact the "care-level" of people for TPM goes down (into the negative for some), ... Actually, just think about the reasons people quit jobs IRL; if you protect those reasons on TPM, they generally match.

@ Cheese: .^.'' If you come by this by any chance, just know that I'm behind ya (don't look over your shoulder by the way, I'm invisible :lol: ). If you're making social contacts, where-ever in space (cyber or hyper) that may be, you can't be blamed. And as you didn't leave with slamming doors and flame-filled threads, you can count on the fact there are going to be people who'll welcome you back, if you ever jump into the TPM 'action' again. So enjoy Chris.
And if I never catch you on AIM again: bee!!

[Jay]

You can suck up if the person isn't a moderator. O_o Whatever the reason is, I don't know. I'm just stating that you can and, moderator or not, isn't a factor.

Edit: ... nevermind. I'll save that question for later.

[andyizcool]

A quick question. You know at every 10 Levels you get a Free TM which the Pokemon has to be able learn and it has to be from one of the games. On Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green, Charizard learns Blast Burn, Blastoise learns Hydro Cannon, and Venusaur learns Frezy Plant off a Move Tutor. Would we be able to have one of those moves as a Free Level 10 TM if we have a Charizard, Blastoise, or Venusaur? Thanks for any help given to me.

[Jay]

Move tutor moves are allowed as your free TM move. So yes.

[Lady Vulpix]

¢ for Jay. :D

[andyizcool]

I couldn't find this in the FAQ or anything so I have a question. It costs 5 Stamps to leave a Pokemon at the Adoption Centre. Does it cost anything if you just give your Pokemon to another Trainer because they want it?

[Lady Vulpix]

Trading is free, so I guess you can do that for free too, since the pokemon won't really be abandoned.

[andyizcool]

Trading is free, so I guess you can do that for free too, since the pokemon won't really be abandoned.
Thanks. Just one more question. Where would it need to be confirmed? Thanks to anyone that helps me.

[Jay]

Why didn't I get a thanks?

I would say you need to confirm it at the Adoption Center (either), just so no one thinks that you got that pokemon out of no where.

[andyizcool]

Why didn't I get a thanks?

I would say you need to confirm it at the Adoption Center (either), just so no one thinks that you got that pokemon out of no where.
Thanks. Sorry about not saying thanks before. My mind is thinking too many things at once lately.

[Angel Blossom]

Gabi - whenever I try to access one of your pages on forboards, a sidepane comes up. I can't read the FAQ or a few other pages on your site whatsoever. Is there a way I can avoid the tripod sidepane, or will I simply have to live with it?

I also have a small suggestion, which will probably not get much recognition. I thought it would be a nice idea, so I brought it here. These days, when you want two people to help you breed for a Dratini, it's very hard to find an active member who is willing to let their Dratini (or evolution) breed for someone. Since we have to pay for it, wouldn't it be a better option if we could "Adopt a Dratini for 100 Stamps"? Same fee, same rule, but we could have the option of either adopting or breeding for one. A good idea for adopting one is that we would have to wait for 2 days for it, just like when you breed one. I'm sorry if it's been discussed before, since I'm not aware of it. ^^;; If anyone has some decent feedback on my suggestion, I'm more than happy to listen.

[Jay]

100 stamps is not much to earn. At that rate they'd be more common than Eevees.

Keep at last one species rare, thanks. (Dratini, duh)

[The_Missing_Link]

100 stamps is not much to earn. At that rate they'd be more common than Eevees.

Keep at last one species rare, thanks. (Dratini, duh)

I think it would work, at least once anyway. Almost all of the Dratinis, Dragonairs, Dragonites are related to each other and breeding a daughter and father/uncle/brother or two cousins isn't really ethical so if the next person who gets 100 stamps wants a Dratini, you can adopt one out of one of the centers only once and the rest of the time can go back to breeding

[Angel Blossom]

100 stamps is not much to earn. At that rate they'd be more common than Eevees.

Keep at last one species rare, thanks. (Dratini, duh)


Um, Jay? Did you happen to read my post? X_x

Seeing as you obviously didn't pay close attention, once again.. here is my suggestion.
¤ FOR ONE HUNDRED STAMPS (50 Battle Range, 50 Regular) we could ask to adopt a Dratini (and maybe wait for 2 days for it to arrive), since barely anyone will let their Dratini (OR EVO) breed.

Hopefully, that will be more clear for you, Jay.

Also, I agree with you, Becca. That sounds like a good idea, too. My main problem is that we need to pay for a Dratini, yet there's not one person who is willing to breed theirs. So, since we need to pay, it would be a nicer idea if we could adopt a Dratini and still pay the fee.

[Syberia]

I agree completely. What's the point of having something like that if no one's going to breed you one?

[Jay]

And I will repeat what I just said Angel Blossom as I did read your post. >_>

100 stamps is not much to earn.

I don't agree with this. Dratini's have always been a specialty here at AC/CC for so long, don't spoil this by making them so easily accessible to obtain.

[Crystalmaster Mike]

Hm, maybe before (or while) making adopting a Dratini an option (whether it's an elite option or not), maybe a family tree could be made of the Drat's, with an explanation as to where the 2 different mutations come from (in other words, Lagi). This might just come in handy for those looking around for a Dratini, whilst giving them information about who owns a Dratiniling, or a Pokémon related to one. This so that people won't be waiting weeks for a reply to their PM, only to find out that the winged Dratini and blue Dragonite they wanted to have breed are distant cousins.

[Aipom Of Doom]

heh, just about all of the adopted Dratinis are related, so the best option would be to breed some other Pokemon with a female one... that's not a problem really.

The problem I see is that the number of active people with Dratinis is dwindling, and few/none of them are willing to breed their Dratinis for whatever reason.

So yeah, having Dratinis be adoptable for 100 stamps would be a good idea... Yes, Jay, 100 stamps isn't that hard to earn, but the 50 battle range stamps can take a while... And anyway it won't make Dratinis more common (since eventually someone usually lets thier Dratini breed), it would just take the frusturation out of having to bug everyone.

[Charizard04621]

Meh, if this rule is put into place, I wish I could have gotten Elwing during this time. Extremespeed is a nice thing to put on a Dratini, and we, the ones who have been restricted to getting Dratinis bred, are barred from getting the move unless we're lucky like Amy and get Extremespeed from the EMT. If Dratini can be directly adopted, the people who got theirs before the ruling should be compensated with being allowed to get Extremespeed on their Dratinis as a 10 level increment free TM.

Also, part of the challenge of getting a Dratini is finding the parent. I got my Dratini's mother from a person who's never really around much at all (and was quite inactive at the time I asked her). I was patient and waited, and she answered my PM. I don't think its fair for us, having gone through all that, to suddenly see other people able to get Dratini so much more easily. At least if direct adoption is allowed the Stamp requirement should be all 100 from the Battle Range.

By the way, given a little time, I'm pretty sure I know at least two people who will be willing to let their Dratinis breed. There's a decent bunch of maturing Dratini around right now, not quite of breeding age, but nearly there.

[Jay]

I find it funny that the people complaining are what you would call 'newbies' to AC/CC, and don't know the history of the Dratini. :sweat4:

[Syberia]

I find it funny that people who are what you would call 'vets' in AC/CC are making such a big deal about someone wanting to obtain a few bytes of data containing the letters D, R, A, T, I, N, and I. Lighten up, people, it's not like they're real or anything.

EDIT: Obligatory wave :wave:

[Angel Blossom]

I don't agree with this. Dratini's have always been a specialty here at AC/CC for so long, don't spoil this by making them so easily accessible to obtain.

Huh..? o_o"

I'm sorry if when I try to make a suggestion, I'm spoiling the legacy of Dratinis. Whether I'm (or if the others are) considered a newbie or not, we have sense of the importance of Dratinis here in the AC/CC. We're not the ones who are complaining either - we're making small suggestions. I completely understand if you disagree, but hey.

But either way, I never intended to "spoil" this whole thing by making a simple comment..

Although I have found someone who will breed theirs for me, I think it would be nice to still pay attention to the suggestion. (duh. :P)

[Lady Vulpix]

Hm, maybe before (or while) making adopting a Dratini an option (whether it's an elite option or not), maybe a family tree could be made of the Drat's, with an explanation as to where the 2 different mutations come from (in other words, Lagi). This might just come in handy for those looking around for a Dratini, whilst giving them information about who owns a Dratiniling, or a Pokémon related to one. This so that people won't be waiting weeks for a reply to their PM, only to find out that the winged Dratini and blue Dragonite they wanted to have breed are distant cousins.Actually, Lagi's only responsible for the wings mutation, and Mirage (the blue Ditto) for the color. As far as I know, BlueShadow is the only blue Dragonite around.

[Crystalmaster Mike]

Actually, Lagi's only responsible for the wings mutation, and Mirage (the blue Ditto) for the color. As far as I know, BlueShadow is the only blue Dragonite around.

Oh, my mistake. I hadn't known about a Ditto being one of BlueShadow's ancestors. I thought it had been like this:
Lagi x Gyarados = Mystic (Dratini).
Talut (Dragonite) x Mystic (Dratini) = Blue Shadow (Blue Dragonite).

Come to think of it, even if I'd been right, it wouldn't have been Lagi's genes causing the blue mutation. Meh.

[Lady Vulpix]

You got that part right, but didn't go back far enough. You missed a part of the family tree.
Indraugnir and some pokemon Scott never mentioned ->Bahamut
Bahamut and Mirage->Talut

You know the rest. Yes, the color skipped a generation. That can't happen anymore, but things weren't so organized back then.

[Crystalmaster Mike]

You got that part right, but didn't go back far enough. You missed a part of the family tree.
Indraugnir and some pokemon Scott never mentioned ->Bahamut
Bahamut and Mirage->Talut

You know the rest. Yes, the color skipped a generation. That can't happen anymore, but things weren't so organized back then.

Oh, I see. Thanks! I'll save that info!

[Jay]

Next time please do not spam and reply to her with such a spammy comment. Muchly appreciated.

Thank you.

[The_Missing_Link]

Next time please do not spam and reply to her with such a spammy comment. Muchly appreciated.

Thank you.

And this comes from a person who's spammed countless times on purpose and got himself banned for it

[andyizcool]

I didn't know where to post this information but I needed to let all you AC/CC people know. My friend Phil (cloudizme) has sent me an MSN message that he could only just get to me. He says his computer is completely frozen in most places like his Internet not working and his mouse cursor won't move. He wanted me to tell you all he won't be around here for sometime but when he gets back he'll be active as he normally is again.

[Silent Dragonfly]

Thanks Andy for posting that but now I am back, with a new computer (Yay) and the old one is being wiped. I'll be around now.

[Aipom Of Doom]

Thanks Andy for posting that but now I am back, with a new computer (Yay) and the old one is being wiped. I'll be around now.

Welcome back then =). I'd suggest you get anti-virus software though if you haven't already so your computer doesn't get messed up again... and anti-adware/spyware programs are good too =o.

[Linc]

I have another question. If you cathc a level ten Pokemon in the Capture Centers, would you get a bred-on move and a TM for it because it reached a multiple of ten?

[Chrono Warrior 3]

I also have a question. My Smokescreen TM; I'd rather not use it on Spintus as he can learn it naturally later, but I don't know what else I can use it on. Can I just use it on any Normal Pokemon? Or do I have to use it on a Pokemon that learns it normally? This also goes for all those other TM's out there that aren't listed in the TM Compatibility List or in the guides, etc...

[*Murkrow]

Linc-yes, if you catch a Pokémon above L10, then you will get to choose both its bred on move and a L10 TM.

Chrono-you can use it on any Pokémon that learns it naturally or via breeding.

[Moonlight Espeon]

Lol, I'm back after vanishing as all of you would see if you have recently gone to the video games forum, and I have a question..
I disappeared for quite a while, are my Pokemon still eligible for use? I don't know if I still have my pages on there, I might have deleted them, so will I have to start over or can I keep what I had?

[Lady Vulpix]

Welcome back, Kelly!
As long as you still have their info, your pokemon are still there for you to train them.

Congratulations! Your question has made it to the FAQ (http://forboards.tripod.com/FAQ.html)!

[Moonlight Espeon]

Darn.. they're gone, lol.
Thanks for the welcome ^_^
I'll just start over anew, since I don't have any archive/memory of my old Pokemon, I think it would be best to start over anyway.

[powermudkip]

Ummmmm...I'd sorta like to ask the same thing as Kelly ^^; I know it's the second time and all....But...I dunno X_x;

[Moonlight Espeon]

Err.. Fix your tags there X_x;
I would figure that you would be able to start over again, but don't really do it very much, because it may make someone irritated if you adopted a Pokemon that they wanted and then you just trash it.. but I would suppose it would be okay a second time, but a third would be iffy.
But I don't know. It's up to the workers/owners.

[caimsfiredragon377]

wait I still dont get this, both of the adoption forms are closed and I cant get a pokemon, I am really confused

[Moonlight Espeon]

caimsfiredragon377, you may adopt a Pokemon from these two places.
PokeZoo Adoption Center (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?p=515342#post515342)
Dragon Tamers Adoption Center (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31322&page=3)
The links on the main page may be old.
Just in case you were wondering, the capture centers are here:
Pokemon Avengers Capture Center (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?p=512581#post512581)
Crystal Caves Capture Center (http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/showthread.php?p=512581#post512581)

To adopt a Pokemon, simply post in one of the two adoption centers and say that you want to adopt a Pokemon on the list that is still available and has not been adopted.

EDIT: Yes, the links are old. Can a mod update the links? PZAC links to version 25 and DTAC links to version 3.. I believe.
It's a version older than they are.
I'm not sure of the other links, but they may just be old too, especially the GT considering the fact that a version 30 was just posted.

[The_Missing_Link]

There are two types of adoption, captured and adopted. For adopted, you can adopt from Dragon Tamers Adoption Center and PokeZoo Adoption Center. For captured Pokemon, you can get them from Pokemon Avengers or Crystal Caves. You can have 30 Pokemon total, 15 from adopted and 15 from captured

With both types, you can go to the Eevee House and interact with other Pokemon and trainers (it has to be in RPG format though so no one-liners). For battles, you can take your adopted Pokemon to the Dragon Tamers Battle Range and for captured, Crystal Caves Battle Arena. You can also go to the PokeZoo Battle Tower to battle other trainers but you have to arrange the battles over AIM, MSN, Yahoo or PMs. Adopted Pokemon must fight other adopted Pokemon, no cross battling

[The_Missing_Link]

Updated all the links

[Jay]

helo

May I ask why don't all the moderators of PCG just moderate the subforum, and give some certain people who are ACTIVE and HELPFUL in the MAIN PART a chance at a moderator spot? Or at least the ones that are purely dedicated to looking after AC/CC. Aipom and TML are somewhat active in the main part, but I just don't see enough posting going on from Wolfsong or Kirei in PCG. I thought Kirei got moderated because she was active in the main part, but it turns out that she's just here for the AC/CC stuff. And I know Wolfsong is busy and has her reasons, but she does seem to post an awful lot here.

Not much moderating goes on in the main part, although not much is done anymore, I don't see any moderator posting enough in the main part to care about it. Just something to keep in mind, since I find it kind of selfish to keep a moderator spot where you aren't using it to your full potential.

[Moonlight Espeon]

helo

May I ask why don't all the moderators of PCG just moderate the subforum, and give some certain people who are ACTIVE and HELPFUL in the MAIN PART a chance at a moderator spot? Or at least the ones that are purely dedicated to looking after AC/CC. Aipom and TML are somewhat active in the main part, but I just don't see enough posting going on from Wolfsong or Kirei in PCG. I thought Kirei got moderated because she was active in the main part, but it turns out that she's just here for the AC/CC stuff. And I know Wolfsong is busy and has her reasons, but she does seem to post an awful lot here.

Not much moderating goes on in the main part, although not much is done anymore, I don't see any moderator posting enough in the main part to care about it. Just something to keep in mind, since I find it kind of selfish to keep a moderator spot where you aren't using it to your full potential.


Wolfsong actually does post here quite a bit..
The only way I see this problem getting resolved is either finding people who are interested in both (which one or two are), or finding some way to separate the moderators between PCG and AC/CC. I don't think it's possible, but it would fix that problem if it was.

[Kirei]

I'm on TPM practically all day and just because I'm not constantly posting replies to things it doesn't mean I wouldn't be fast to stop any SPAM that was posted or solve any problems that came up. I do try to post when I see things that interest me and must admit my posting hasn't been as frequent lately, but I've been ill recently and haven't always felt like posting many replies unless it was something I really needed to. I'll try to post more like I used to though. :196:

[Wolfsong]

Yeah, i know i've been posting here a lot, btu i do look around and post in polls and do my jobs around the main when i'm not beat to some of them. I do post in polls that interest me even if it takes a while to get the time to. I do admit in the next week or so, my posts may be a little rarer becuase i have abotu 3 papers and one projects due in November and pretty much close together but i'll try and keep somewhat active. But hopefully after these papers are done i'll be active again alot. though you may see a poll around based on one of my papers for one of my classes x.x

[Lady Vulpix]

We all know that being a good mod does not require posting on all threads. Everyone has lives outside of TPM (and the right not to be interested in replying to every single poll), but whenever someone breaks the rules on the main forum action is taken promptly. And not only that, but both Amy and Soo have been very helpful towards new members, and they both take their responsibilities seriously (checking that things are in order, handling approvals and responding to people's questions, suggestions and even complaints like this one).

[Knight of Time]

Hi.

I got a really important question I wish I could get an answer to, please.

Whenever a Pokemon that first made its debut in GSC or R/S is adopted/captured (this doesn't apply to Pokemon who have a pre-evolved form or evolved form from RBY), and it reaches a level which is a multiple of 10, can it get a move it can only learn from a FR/LG move tutor (as long as the TM Compatibility list says it can learn that move)?

Thanks in advance.

[The_Missing_Link]

Hi.

I got a really important question I wish I could get an answer to, please.

Whenever a Pokemon that first made its debut in GSC or R/S is adopted/captured (this doesn't apply to Pokemon who have a pre-evolved form or evolved form from RBY), and it reaches a level which is a multiple of 10, can it get a move it can only learn from a FR/LG move tutor (as long as the TM Compatibility list says it can learn that move)?

Thanks in advance.

Yes it can. Since we have the knowledge of who gets what now, it's legit

[naruto428]

All I have is links to forums. Isn't there a real page where you can catch and adopt Pokémon?

[The_Missing_Link]

Those aren't links to different forums. They're links to actual adoption centers, battle towers, etc. Dragon Tamers and PokeZoo are the two adoption centers and Crystal Caves is the capture center. Read the rules in those threads before you decide to adopt/capture Pokemon

[Lady Vulpix]

*Gives Becca a stamp for her help.*

[Dark Dragonite]

I've been away for a while, does this mean I have to start over??

[andyizcool]

I've been away for a while, does this mean I have to start over??
Not if you have all your old information stored somewhere safe.

[Dark Dragonite]

Not if you have all your old information stored somewhere safe.
LOL, thanks, now...to try and find this info...Oye, why did angelfire have to kill my pages?

[Cheesey]

That question's in the FAQ, Steve. ;P Welcome back!

No you don't have to start over, as long as you've got all of your pokemon's information. If you've lost all of their info, then you'll have to restart, though.

[Lady Vulpix]

Gabi to the rescue. Don't expect me to pull this out too often, I don't have everyone's info.

Adoption Center Pokes

~Princess(Nidoqueen)
Lv.41
Growl, Tackle, Scratch, Toxic, Double kick, Poison sting, Ice beam, Tail whip, Thief, Bite, Fury swipes, Earthquake, Helping Hand, Flatter
Trait: Poison Point
Restriction: Only breeds with Nidor

~Nidor(Nidoking) SHINY by juice
Lv.62
Leer, Tackle, Horn attack, Double kick, Blizzard, Thunder, Double team, E~Quake, Poison Sting, Mud-slap, Focus energy, HP~Dark, Firepunch, Hyper beam, Sunnyday, Toxic, Fury attack, Rest, Horn drill, Gigadrain, Body slam, Helping Hand, Flatter, Peck
Trait: Poison Point
Restriction: Only breeds with Princess

~Luna(Clefable-F)
Lv.43
Present, Growl, Pound, Encore, Attract, Mimic, Sing, Sleeptalk, Doubleslap, Minimize, Toxic, Defense curl, Dynamicpunch, Metronome, HP~Dark, Moonlight, Follow Me, Cosmic Power, Charm, Light Screen
Trait: Cute Charm

~Outkast(Alakazam-M)
Lv.53
Teleport,Kinesis, Confusion, Shadow ball, Disable, Psy beam, Dynamicpunch, Recover, Future sight, Ice punch, Psychic, Zap cannon, Reflect, T~Wave, Calm Mind, Role Play, Trick
Trait: Synchronize

~Feizhi(Kangaskhan-F)
Lv.33
Comet punch, Leer, Bite, Shadow ball, Blizzard, Tail whip, E~Quake, Mega punch, Firepunch, Rage, Fake Out
Trait: Early Bird

Capture Center Pokes

~Ryu(Raichu-M)
Lv.18
Surf, T~Shock, Charm, Doubleslap, Thief, Tail whip, T~Wave, Sweet kiss, Quick attack, Swift, Dynamic punch, Iron Tail, Double Team, Thunderbolt, Body slam, Rain dance, Dig
Trait: Static

~Spooky(Gengar-M)
Lv.16
Lick, Hypnosis, Spite, Mean look, Haze, Dream eater, Dynamic punch, Double Team, Megadrain, Metronome, Curse, Nightmare, Confuse Ray, Nightshade
Trait: Levitate

~Blarg(Swalot-M)
Lv.15
Pound, Yawn, Poison Gas, Sludge, Pain Split, Dream Eater, Sludge Bomb, Body Slam, Protect
Trait: Liquid Ooze

~Xena(Zangoose-F)
Lv.15
Scratch, Leer, Quick Attack, Swords Dance, Fury Cutter, Flail, Strength
Trait: Immunity

~Onida(Mightyena-M)
Lv.14
Yawn, Poison Fang, Tackle, Howl, Sand_Attack, Bite, Taunt, Torment
Trait: Intimidate

~Destiny(Altaria-F)
Lv.25
Peck, Growl, Astonish, Sing, Fury Attack, Safeguard, Dragon Claw, Aerial Ace, Pursuit
Trait: Natural Cure

Welcome back, Steve!

[Dark Dragonite]

Wow, thanks Gabi!! :wave: :peek:
I'll keep better track of things now, since my computer is in a closet...

I did manage to find the rest of the party's info, I couldn't deal with losing Nave, or Amber and Mercury's son Alucard, either.

[Lady Vulpix]

Ah, that's good to hear. :)

[Skye]

Just helping out, but I noticed a few errors:

2) We currently have one Capture Center:

Crystal Caves


Two is the limit, so no more will be allowed.

And the Expedia link isn't accurate It goes to an older version.

[Lady Vulpix]

Well, two is the limit. We used to have 2, so if someone wants to start a new one to replace Pokemon Avengers I guess they can (they'd have to get it approved, of course). It's a tough job, though, so I doubt many people would be willing to run one.

As for the Expedia link, thanks for pointing it out, I'll fix it.

[Everoy]

I'd be willing to help run one, it would motivate me to be more active here.

[Lady Vulpix]

Well, then, Patrick. Just remember it's a responsibility and, once you assume it, you'll have to stay active and post updates for everyone regularly. It's not something you can set up in a day or a week and then flows smoothly. You'll have to work actively on keeping it up and running.

PM me or a mod of this forum with your idea (what the name of the CC would be, its dynamics, what areas it would have -if applicable-, what pokemon would be available where, what the odds of finding each pokemon in each area would be, what actions the players would be able to perform, what special items there would be -if any-, and anything else you have planned).

[Everoy]

I just don't know who else would be willing to work there.

[Lady Vulpix]

First settle the details, then you can call for workers. In any case, they must be active, responsible and have enough time to spare.

[Everoy]

I'll try to get it put together this summer, I have about 20 days left of school so I'm busy right now, but this summer it should be easier to find time to put it together.

[Lady Vulpix]

Just a notice. The FAQ has been updated. A Quick Jump index has been added, links have been fixed and the question about free TMs has been made (hopefully) clearer.

Take a look at it here (http://forboards.tripod.com/FAQ.html). Comments and suggestions are welcome.

[Knight of Time]

Hi.

There's something important I'd like to ask about the early evolution of any Pokemon that uses an Evolution Stone.

For evolved Pokemon that evolve from the use of an Evolution Stone that learn fewer moves than their pre-evolution(s) but end up learning any move at L1 that its pre-evo(s) learn at a later level (e.g. Ninetales starts with Quick Attack, Confuse Ray and Safeguard at L1, but Vulpix learns the moves at L7 in GSC (L13 in R/S/E and FR/LG), L19 in GSC (L21 in R/S/E and FR/LG) and L25 in GSC (L33 in R/S/E and FR/LG) respectively. My question is, if you evolve certain Pokemon at an early level (Vulpix is one example), will they get the moves they would have learned at a later level in their first form instantly in their evolved form if the evolved form also gets those moves (e.g. if I was to evolve my adopted L8 Vulpix at any time, would she automatically learn Quick Attack, Confuse Ray and Safeguard?)?

Thanks in advance.

[Lady Vulpix]

No. You will notice that, if you have a Vulpix in any game and you evolve it, it doesn't learn those moves upon evolving either.

[*Murkrow]

I wasn't sure exactly where I should post this, considering it'll include both ac and cc, and it seemed better here than in one of those respective topics. I mentioned in the GT a couple of months ago about whether or not the moves from XD will be allowed to be given as TM's; I asked before the game was out, I believe so I didn't get an absolute answer, but now it's been out for a while, I thought I'd ask again. I checked the compatabilites list (in-case they'd been added) and they haven't, and there's nothing in the FAQ about them not be allowed.

So basically....are they or aren't they?

The moves in question being:

Refresh
Teddiursa, Ledyba, Seedot, Baltoy, Spinarak, Carvanha, Shroomish, Voltorb, Makuhita, Pineco, Zangoose, Paras, Shellder, Pidgeotto, Magneton, Venomoth, Arbok, Raticate, Magcargo, Hitmonlee, Starmie, Snorlax, Manectric, Salamence, Tauros, Exeggutor

Heal Bell
Poochyena, Mareep, Altaria, Lapras, Dragonite

Sing
Gulpin, Ralts, Mawile, Snorunt, Meowth, Kangaskhan, Marowak

Charm
Spheal, Houndour, Numel, Vulpix, Swinub, Growlithe, Golduck, Dugtrio

Sweet Kiss
Delcatty, Roselia, Chansey

Helping Hand
Duskull, Grimer, Seel, Nosepass, Primeape, Sableye, Banette, Pinsir, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Poliwrath, Rhydon

Baton Pass
Natu, Spearow, Lunatone, Beedrill, Hypno, Dodrio, Farfetch'd, Rapidash, Solrock, Swellow

Tri Attack
Togepi

Morning Sun
Tangela, Butterfree, Weepinbell, Scyther

Follow Me
Magmar, Electabuzz, Mr. Mime

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Some of those are on the compatabilities list already, but what about the others? If this has been asked already, sorry, must have overlooked it.

[Lady Vulpix]

Sorry for the delay. I have talked to Amy. We've decided that those moves can be used, but only as bred-on moves or buyable/EMT TMs. Not as free, multiple of 10 TMs. And you get a stamp for your help.

[*Murkrow]

Alright, thanks for that ^_^ *Teaches Charm to Jock*

And I just realised that I missed out three Pokémon and their moves. Sorry for that, but would the Johto starters be able to be taught their respective elemental beams (Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon, Frenzy Plant) if you obtain the TM? I'm pretty certain that the last stages are on the compatability lists, but seeing as it's now possible to get the first and second stages with the moves ingame, would that be the same here?

[Lady Vulpix]

In which game do they get those moves, and how?

[*Murkrow]

XD, beat Mt. Battle and you'll get to choose one of them. Repeat to get the other two.

http://www.serebii.net/xd/johto.shtml

Hope posting the links fine, just to back up what I wrote.

[Lady Vulpix]

I guess they can, then, but why does it say "may be able"? Isn't it certain?

[*Murkrow]

I think the page was just written around the time the game had just been released in Japan, so information still wans't entirely confirmed. It just hasn't been updated since then.

[Lady Vulpix]

Ah, ok, then.

Can the Kanto starters get those moves in their basic forms too?

[Edit: I see they can.]

[Dark Dragonite]

I've probably asked this before, but can we use moves from:
NYC PC
Nintendo Event
XD?

[The Blue Avenger]

The answer about XD is slightly further up the page, and as far as Nintendo Events and the Pokemon Center, I think no, unless the Pokemon and move are specifically mentioned on the New TM List. (http://forboards.tripod.com/New_TMs.txt)

[Lady Vulpix]

A stamp goes to Jeff for his help.

[Dark Dragonite]

Here's an important question:

Since my charmander is mutant with wings, can he learn the flying attacks a charizard can(besides fly obviously at lv.28)?

Wing Attack
Aerial Ace
Steel Wing
Air Cutter
Sky uppercut
Sky attack
it doesn't say, but he should also be able to learn Gust

I know Aeroblast is only Charizard, as the height at charmeleon is only 3'7"

Oh, and not sure if one happened while I was away, but any chance of a Battle Tower tourney?

EDIT: Also, if a move isn't normally learned, and isn't a TM, like Sky uppercut(hoping it isn't a tm) can it be learned as the free level 10,20,30,etc move?

[classy_cat18]

I don't know about the first question, but a move can be a level 10 TM as long as it's a TM, HM, or Move Tutor move.

[Lady Vulpix]

A stamp for Shonta.

Steve, it's surprising how no one who has/had a winged Dratini ever asked that. Alucard is Fire/Flying type, but he won't learn any Charizard-only moves by level until he becomes a Charizard (except for Fly). As for TMs, he can learn what the compatibility lists say he can learn, which for now is only Sky Attack plus the moves any Charmander can learn.

[Dark Dragonite]

New day, New question...but still about Alucard...well, sort of...
When you choose your free TM at each 10LVs., is it only from TM/HM, or could it be a Tutor Move/Egg move?

[Lady Vulpix]

Your answer lies here (http://forboards.tripod.com/FAQ.html#Q20). Or, rather, tells the truth.

[Matt]

hoi i don't remember this anymore lol but are battle range stamps the same thing as regular stamps you get at goldenrod tower and other places?? thanks for teh help

[The Blue Avenger]

They are indeed, just as Goldenrod Tower CCPs are the same as the Crystal Caves CCPs.

[Lady Vulpix]

Yes, except for one little detail. If you want to breed for a Dratini, at least 50 of your 100 stamps must come from the Battle Range.

[Dark Dragonite]

Poll closed. Spark wins. Now it's tagboard time for the AC/CC workers.

Sorry Gabi, I was away, what tagboard?
I also lost the link to the page that shows move compatibility. :afro:

[Ace64]

The move compatibility link can be found by going to Gabi's profile, then clicking the link "For Boards." From there, you should be able to find it.

As for the tagboard, I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about it. It's for figuring out which Pokes can learn the TM in question.

[Dark Dragonite]

Well, it said for AC/CC workers, and I work for Crystal Caves Capture Center, so if most/all workers opinions are needed...

[Lady Vulpix]

I've sent you the link to the tagboard. Use it wisely.

[Dark Dragonite]

Thank you Gabi!!

[Lady Vulpix]

You're welcome. :)
It has been brought to my attention that the links on the FAQ (http://forboards.tripod.com/FAQ.html) were hard to read due to their small size. I have made them a bit bigger now. Please let me know if you're still having problems with them, or if anything else should be fixed on that page. Thanks.

[EleoMod]

Why is Two is the limit for Adoption Centers and Capture Centers?

[Lady Vulpix]

Because there was a time when everyone was making their own and everything was a mess, there were lots of threads that were mostly the same and many had little to no activity, no one knew what was where, and there was no way to keep track of them - or even make sure that they all followed the rules. Also, people suddenly forgot about their Adoption Centers or jut stopped caring about them, leaving other people waiting for Pokemon that they never got. This way it's much easier to make things flow smoothly, and even then we have trouble with missing workers sometimes.

[Drago]

Is this still a thing? :3

[Lady Vulpix]

Yay, the forums are back!

I thought this game died when almost everyone who was playing left, but if you're willing to participate, I'll be here for you.