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Roarkiller
28th April 2004, 08:05 AM
The trainer scope is large, so for now ill ask for draw cards. Basically, i need a COMPLETE list of all the draw cards usable in modified. Complete as in not forgetting even one, cuz i have a strange tendency of pondering over a seemingly useless card for combos (bill itself has more than 5, did u know?)

But if u REALLY want to help me, beside each card put a:

+# : basically the number of cards i can draw
-# : if i have to discard any, and the amount
xx : if it involves getting a new hand
sp : if its a supporter
?? : if it has other effects/requirements

Ill focus on search engines later cuz i believe theyre a bigger pool.

Dark-San
28th April 2004, 08:08 AM
Lolz~ *Points at WPM's Kingdra deck*

Well if ya looked into his deck, there are all supporter cards. As for their effects, I'm not quite sure of them. I am building a Kingdra deck at the moment but due to lack of some funds, I've been holding back on the project.

Jedi
28th April 2004, 10:04 AM
I've included all the search and draw cards. that should be all of them. I did skip the effects of the team magma and aqua trainers because they only work for the teams' pokemon.

Expedition
Bill's maintenance
Shuffle 1 card from hand into deck, then draw 3. Supporter

Copycat
Shuffle hand into deck, then draw number of cards in opponent's hand

Dual ball
flip 2 coins, for each heads get a basic from your deck

Mary's impluse
Flip a coin until you get tails, draw 2 for each heads. Supporter

Professor Elm's Training Method
Evoultion card from the deck. Supporter

Profressor Oak's Research
shuffle hand into deck and draw 5. Supporter


Aquapolis
Forest Guardian
Shuffle. Look at teh top 7 cards of deck, take 1 into hand. Shuffle rest. Supporter

Juggler
Discard up to 2 basic energy cards from hand. draw 3 cards for 1, 5 cards for 2. Supporter

Pokemon fan club
Search your deck for up to 2 basic or baby pokemon and put them on your bench. supporter

Seer
look at the top 6 cards of your deck, take all basic energy into hand. shuffle the rest. supporter

Traveling salesman
Search deck for up to 2 tools and/or TMs and take them into hand. supporter


Skyridge
Relic Hunter
search deck for up to 2 supporters and/or stadium cards. take into hand. supporter

Apricorn Maker
search deck for up to 2 cards with ball in the name. take into hand. supporter

Desert Shaman
shuffle hand into the deck and draw 4. opponent has to do the same. supporter

Fast Ball
reveal top card of deck until you find an evouloution. take it and shuffle rest.

Friend Ball
Search deck for a pokemon card that's teh same type as one of your opponent's pokemon. supporter

Oracle
place any 2 cards from your deck on top of your deck in any order. Supporter

Underground Expedition
look at the bottom 4 cards of your deck. take 2, return the rest. Supporter

R/S
lady outing
search for up to 3 different types of basic energy. take into hand. Supporter

Pokeball
flip to get a pokemon from deck

pokenav
look at top 3 cards of deck. take an energy or pokemon. return teh rest in any order.

professor birch
draw cards until you have 6. supporter

energy search
take a basic energy from your deck.


Sandstorm
Lanette's Net Search
search deck for up to 3 differnt types of basic pokemon. put them onto bench. supporter

Wally's Training
search deck for an evouliton card for your active pokemon. put it on that pokemon. supporter


Dragon
TV Reporter
draw 3 cards, then discard 1 card. Supporter


Archie
dualball
maxie
Team Aqua Ball
Team Aqua Belt
Team Aqua Conspirator
Team Magma Ball
Team Magma Belt
Team Magma Conspirator

Water Pokemon Master
29th April 2004, 12:10 AM
You guys, don't even bother with Expedition to Skyridge. Those are all being rotated out this summer. I think the only card that will stay in that is actually good is Oak's Research, but that's about it, and it will be coming out in two sets.

Good trainer cards that are in everyone's deck:

TV Reporter (Draw 3, discard 1)
Oak's Research (Shuffle hand into deck, draw 5)
Birch (Draw till you have 6)
Elm's Training (Search for evolution)
Rare Candy (An improved Breeder)
PokeBall (I know it's considered by many to be a no-no, but it is actually useful)

Pokemon in every deck:
Dunsparce (I never though I would be saying that)
Wynaut from Sandstorm (Wynaut can be substituted for Dunsparce)
Wobbuffet from Sandstorm (anti-ex)

Neato Energy:
Double Rainbow Energy (Same thing as Rainbow, except every attack is reduced by 10 and it can't be attached to a basic or ex)
Aqua Energy
Magma Energy

Roarkiller
29th April 2004, 07:09 AM
Unfortunately, copycat and oak's research is in expedition.

Damn, i can only make combos using older cards. I see too many potentials here. Hell, never thought i would say this, but i can even replace CS with oracle in a revised engine.

Questions:

- When will the new modified be in effect?

- I take it wally's training can be used even if u have evolved that turn? How bout 1st turn? Rare candy?

- Isnt there ANY draw cards that isnt a supporter?!

Proposed engine if rotation is quite late:

3 copycat
3 juggler
4 oracle
2 fan club

If using evo (until #2 is answered):

wally, rare candy and/or fast ball (got excellent strategy, did u know?)

Water Pokemon Master
29th April 2004, 03:35 PM
No, there are ABSOLUTELY NO drawing cards that aren't supporters. The new modified should be in affect this August.

As for Wally, it is really only used for King ex decks, since rare Candy is better. If I play Horsea first turn, then next turn evolve it into Seadra and then use Wally, I can search for King ex in my deck and evolve it.

A good engine (rooom! rooom!):
4 TV Reporter
3 POR
3 Copycat / Birch