Fiend Deck, anyone?

**Last Exile** · 16th March 2005, 06:27 PM

Well, Dark-San is contemplating Fiends. Even Swampert seems keen on the Fiends. Nace uses Fiends.

So here's my stab at a Fiend Deck.

Monsters (19)

Slate Warrior x 3
Archfiend Soldier x 3
Dark Necrofear x 2
Night Assailant x 2
Kuriboh x 2
Dark Ruler Ha Des
Jinzo
Sangan
Cyber Jar
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Tribe Infecting Virus
Sinister Serpent

Magic (13)

Dimension Fusion x 2
Book of Moon x 2
Pot of Greed
Graceful Charity
Card Destruction
Snatch Steal
Enemy Controller
Creature Swap
Lightning Vortex
Premature Burial
Swords of Revealing Light

Traps (8)

Compulsory Evacuation Device x 3
Mirror Force
Torrential Tribute
Ring of Destruction
Call of the Haunted
Sakuretsu Armor

**Nace** · 17th March 2005, 02:30 AM

In my experience Tribe will hurt you more than it helps, considering mind control and brain control are both unrestricted and brain jackers are now running about. I'd suggest maybe taking it out for a giant orc. Also I'd rather see lesser fiend or skull archfiend (two very underrated cards) instead of that jinzo but that's your preference.

**Perfect Chaos** · 18th March 2005, 04:18 PM

yay, it's really nice to see Fiends getting the attention they deserve. I too run a Fiend deck, but I don't really count too much cause I come to this forum once and a while, lol

You got a strong foundation for a Necrofear Dimension deck. Personally, I would probably take out either the 3 Slates or 3 Soldiers for 3 Orcs, as they can provide you with a bit more muscle. Also, you could probably take out Serpent, cause you already have 2 Night Assailants that, when combined, have the same type of effect that Serpent has (probably throw in a third Assailant in place of Serpent in case you decide to go with the three Slates over the three Soldiers as Slates are Flip-Effect monsters).

So we have so far:

-3 Slate Warrior or Archfiend Soldier
+3 Giant Orc
-1 Sinister Serpent
+1 Night Assailant (if you go with the Slate Warriors)

Other than that, nice job on the deck Exile!

-$∑@π

Other than that, everything else looks good, nice deck Exile

**Dark-San** · 18th March 2005, 06:57 PM

There Last Exile, there is at least 2 more members here besides me that encourages you to throw in Giant Orc. Lolz~ The choice will be still yours.

@Chaos~ Forgotten to tell you that Night Assailant is semi restricted. So Last Exile still have to keep the Killer Snake.

**Perfect Chaos** · 18th March 2005, 08:24 PM

Oh...didn't know that Night Assailant made the Semi-Restricted...well if that's the case, then yeah, keep Sinister Serpent in. Another thing you could do is instead of 3 Orcs, run 2 and throw in a Terrorking. IMO, Terrorking is arguably one of the most feared Lv. 4s in the TCG. 2000 ATK with a an Effect-negating effect as a nice add-on. Be afraid, lol

EDIT: I just wanted to also point out that Fiends really lost alot of speed ever since Painful was banned. Painful was like the one ticket to get a first turn Necro out. Any ideas of cards that could take its place?

**Nace** · 19th March 2005, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Perfect Chaos

I just wanted to also point out that Fiends really lost alot of speed ever since Painful was banned. Painful was like the one ticket to get a first turn Necro out. Any ideas of cards that could take its place?

What I do is either put 3 germs in for speed or focus on a DDV, control or morph theme rather than necrofusion. It works pretty well but it's not as fast as it could stand to be.

**Dark-San** · 19th March 2005, 10:33 AM

Depends. Anywayz I tried to run a half Chaos half Fiend deck and the deck is a total flop lolz~ Doesn't work at all. Looks like if you're to run a fiend deck, my advice would be to keep them pure and don't mix them with other deck types.

**The Muffin Man** · 19th March 2005, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dark-San

Depends. Anywayz I tried to run a half Chaos half Fiend deck and the deck is a total flop lolz~ Doesn't work at all. Looks like if you're to run a fiend deck, my advice would be to keep them pure and don't mix them with other deck types.

That's Fiends biggest problem. Fiends help each other or no one. That's why Fiends/Spellcasters died down and Fiends stayed. Fiend cards began to ignore the "Spellcaster" part of the deck.

And Giant Germ would be a great addition. Maybe just a side-deck. Does decent damage to your opponent. Germ dies, you get a new one. If your opponent has no more attacks left, you can switch it into defense and bide your time. Now you have 2 easily killed targets. Or you can suicide them both, summon Necrofear, and wait for Jinzo to kill it. Or you can keep 'em in defense mode so you take no/little(if they trample) damage!

**Last Exile** · 20th March 2005, 04:19 AM

Giant Germ does the damage and also acts as good tribute bait for Dark Ruler Ha Des.

The key to winning against Fiends is mainly beating Necrofear. If you can nail him such that you don't have a mosnter on the field when he dies, it's gone for good.

Only Warriors blend with Chaos properly anymore. Spellcasters can to a degree but in a very defensive way.

**Nace** · 20th March 2005, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by Last Exile

The key to winning against Fiends is mainly beating Necrofear. If you can nail him such that you don't have a mosnter on the field when he dies, it's gone for good.

Like I said before, necrofear is a SHE.

**Dark-San** · 20th March 2005, 07:34 AM

Beating the crap out of a 2200 power creature is no problem. We always have cards like Chaos Soldier and Shocker. The main problem is only is how to make sure it doesn't comes back or come out in the first place? Kaiku is an obvious solution. With it on the field, your opponent can't remove anything from the grave right?

Little_Pikachu · 21st March 2005, 10:23 AM

Si just started making a fiend deck too, must be the new craze. Anyway, he beat me badly with Goblin King, personally relying on having X amounts of fiend types on the field isn't my bag, but it worked for him. Also Great Maju Garzett is a handy fiend type, I play him in my normal deck and he works a treat, just tribute one stanard level 4, 1900 attacker and you have yourself a single tribute 3800 ATK. Only problem is getting him back from the grave, but Monster Reincarnation will do that for you. Another fiend I play in my normal deck is Chaos Necromancer, maybe not for a fiend deck, but he's there.

**Perfect Chaos** · 21st March 2005, 05:08 PM

Yeah, Great Maju Garzett is pretty handy if you're going for Fiend-ish beatdown. I wouldn't mind using him, especially when combined with Ha Des on the field. Even if you're opponent had a FD Sphnix, just run by it with Garzett and attack directly with Ha Des. I don't like Goblin King, however, since his effect depends on the # of Fiends on the field. I would probably only use Goblin King if I knew my opponent was using Fiends as well.

And to Dark-San, yes, if you have Kycoo on the field, Necrofear can't even be SUMMONED (I think), as, like you said before, Kycoo normally affects anything that has to do with the Graveyard. But although Necrofear does have only 2200 ATK, if you put her in DEF mode, you have a pretty big wall to get by (2800 DEF) and even if you destroy her using an Effect, she's still coming back to possess whatever monster that destroyed her.

**Nace** · 21st March 2005, 08:23 PM

Apparently they just errata'd necrofear so it doesn't get its effect unless it was a monster when it was destroyed

It's written here

But for those who can't be bothered scrolling:

Originally Posted by yugioh-card.com's errata page

Dark Necrofear
(Labyrinth of Nightmare, Duelist League 2)
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by removing from play 3 Fiend-Type monsters in your Graveyard. If this card is destroyed as a result of battle or by your opponent's card effect while it is a Monster Card, it is treated as an Equip Card during the End Phase of this turn, and equip 1 of your opponent's monsters with this card. As long as it is equipped with this card, you control the equipped monster.

At least this might make the fiend craze die down a bit but still...

**SWAMPERT1** · 21st March 2005, 09:05 PM

I like the deck. It is probably the only fiend deck I have seen that has made me even think about haveing a challenge with if I duel it.

Anywho, I am still busy so all I can say right now is that I agree with Orcs strongly.

**Last Exile** · 22nd March 2005, 01:12 AM

2200 1 turn bashers don't seem that great though. Versus SLate Warrior, who will remove 500 atk points off of whatever kills it. Plus if someone is forced to use Book of Moon on it, they'll probably lsoe 500 atk points killing it or face a 2400 ATK monster next turn.

I'm also wondering whether Kuriboh would be worth it. I've seen it work well in a Fiend deck.

**Nace** · 22nd March 2005, 02:01 AM

I say you could replace the kuribohs with newdorias or a brain jacker and a dark jeroid. All very good fiend choices (particularly brain jacker, as it combos with night assailant).

**Dark-San** · 22nd March 2005, 02:24 AM

Keep the Kuribohz. They are an assets to Fiend Deck. After all which creature in the fiend list can be discarded into the graveyard the fastest?

**Nace** · 22nd March 2005, 02:42 AM

Kuriboh is just plain outdated. Think about it:

Newdoria not only goes to the grave but takes a monster with it. It's like the fiend version of DDWL, only better IMO because you don't need to ram it into the biggest monster on their field to destroy the biggest monster on the field (saving you precious lp)

Brain jacker is like a mini snatch steal which if they destroy just gives you necro food (making your opponent second guess themself quite often)

Dark jeroid is just... cool. Very good effect. It kills anything 2000 atk of less, makes anything with an attack of 3000 or less weak enough for a giant orc to kill, and can set up the opponent nicely to be DDV'D.

The most a kuribo does is make them waste injection fairy's effect.

DO NOT RELY SOLELY ON NECROFEAR TO WIN!

**Dark-San** · 22nd March 2005, 06:48 AM

Nace cool down dude. I only asked Last Exile to keep the Kuribohs. I didn't asked him to outrun them. However judging from the descriptions of the list of creatures you listed out, I would perhaps go for Newdoria and Dark Jeroid only. Besides Brain Jacker isn't worth it since we already have cards like Forced Swap, Enemy Controller and Brain Controller.

**Nace** · 22nd March 2005, 07:29 AM

lol "cool down"

Sorry if I sounded angry ^-^

Don't count brain jacker out though, I overlooked it at first but since I maindecked it I've pulled off its effect several times and the majority of the time was stealing a very good monster. To be fair, a lot of the time my opponents were hesitant to attack my facedowns because I run a helluva lot of nasty flips ^-^

**Dark-San** · 22nd March 2005, 07:33 AM

So much for Australia's metagame. Flip up effect wouldn't proberly survive here with all those Lv 2 Mystic Swordsman, Emissary of Obliteration and Shield Crush.

**Perfect Chaos** · 22nd March 2005, 09:12 AM

I completely forgot about Newdoria. Yes, if anything, try and squeeze a Newdoria or two into your deck Exile. I've wanted two for my deck for a while (still no luck

). They can serve better, IMO, than Tribe, since you don't need the discard, and you might have to kill off your own Fiends as well. Jeroid is OK, but I still don't like it too much even with it's effect. I'd say try and stick with the Newdorias and also Kuribohs as well (if you can)

**Nace** · 22nd March 2005, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Dark-San

So much for Australia's metagame. Flip up effect wouldn't proberly survive here with all those Lv 2 Mystic Swordsman, Emissary of Obliteration and Shield Crush.

Nobleman's the only real threat seeing as sheild crush doesn't exist in the english game (unless it was a promo I haven't heard about or had a really wacky name change) and not many people main or even side swordsman lv2 (which are easy to take care of anyway) and when you think about it that's only 2 cards in their deck. If they DO nobleman you when you run multiple flips they just thin your deck for you, which is good as long as they don't hit night assailant.

**Last Exile** · 22nd March 2005, 08:43 PM

I scoff at Nobleman. I rarely see someone draw it when they can use it or use it on a Flip Monster.

Is Newdoria a dark type? I might have plans for it if it is.

**Nace** · 22nd March 2005, 08:53 PM

Newdoria is indeed dark. Very handy for those *sigh* chaos users. Neat for strike ninja too. Gotta love that ninja ^-^

**The Muffin Man** · 22nd March 2005, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dark-San

So much for Australia's metagame. Flip up effect wouldn't proberly survive here with all those Lv 2 Mystic Swordsman, Emissary of Obliteration and Shield Crush.

"So much for Australias metagame. They don't use an overused card, abuse a good card, or a card that's not released"

How the hell do you sleep with yourself, doubting a metagame because they don't abuse a card that's overused?

Anyway, Kuriboh is an amazing card. Do NOT lose it. "Blah blah blah Newdoria". Screw Newdoria. Kuribohs from the hand(all but unstoppable!), stops any trample damage, AND it's a Fiend in the grave.

**Last Exile** · 22nd March 2005, 10:21 PM

If the best Asians versed the best Australians, I think the Australians would fare well. Don't doubt us. The onyl reasonw e haven't figured more in the worlds is because we only ever get one representative. I we got 3 like most other major countries we'd be up the top end.

Lv2 Swordsman Darksan? Lol, our meta has LOADS of ways to combat that silly little twerp. Since you think our meta is lame, I don't think either Nace or I will tell you.

**Nace** · 23rd March 2005, 01:26 AM

Right on Last Exile!

AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE!

But back on topic, I'll playtest kuriboh once I increase my necrofear count and see if it works better than newdoria/jeroid/brain jacker but I don't have high hopes for it.

**Last Exile** · 23rd March 2005, 02:01 AM

Warriors > Fiends anyway.

I see it currently as:

1. Warriors.
2. Fiends.
3. Beasts.
4. Zombies.

**Dark-San** · 23rd March 2005, 06:58 AM

I don't think it is lame. Like you said before different countries have their differences in the way they play the game. Apparently, the trend here start to increase ever since that promo dragon was released. Yes, they recently started to play Burn decks with that promo dragon.

So burn deck would mean flip up creatures like sleath bird right? So that explains why ppl here are abusing Lv 2s here. I am not underestimating your metagame. Maybe you got the wrong idea over my previous post whereby I only meant to point out the huge difference between your metagame and mine.

As for the Worlds, yes we too in Singapore only got one representative. I am suppose to be the one going last year. Bleh due to national service, I've to stay behind and allow the second placing to go. Hopefully I can get qualified again this year and make my way there.

**Nace** · 23rd March 2005, 07:20 AM

Wait- you hadn't taken the fact that your metagame had the promo dragon (resulting in a ton of burn decks and therefore counter burn/stall decks) and ours didn't before saying "so much for Australia's metagame?!"

Bleh, no comment...

**homeofmew** · 23rd March 2005, 07:48 AM

-Kuriboh+Jinzo
there is really no need for 2 kuriboh.
-Tribe Infecting virus+ Swords of revealing.
+1 Mirror force.
In YugiOh you can have more than 40 cards right.
I suggest running close to 50 or even 60 cards.

**Dark-San** · 23rd March 2005, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by homeofmew

In YugiOh you can have more than 40 cards right.
I suggest running close to 50 or even 60 cards.

A deck with more than 40 would be deemed unplayable. Apparently top players tend to keep their deck as close as 40 as possible so that they will be able to draw the right cards at the right time. Besides keeping the deck to 40 would improves the deck's effciency.

**Last Exile** · 24th March 2005, 12:36 AM

Aussies despise burns and will gang up on anyone who uses them.

Besides, Mobius, Dust Tornado and Nobleman in the side deck destroys burn instnatly.

Our meta is hard to tell. Apparently, Nace, the South Australian meta is VERY different from other states in Australia.

So can we both make a pact not to post any info on any other sites in Australia where people from other states hang out? The guy from Perth who came 2nd in the last nationals cloned my deck the night before the nats and went from second rate to first rate instantly.

SA has some strats other states don't know of. I want them to not know until it's too late.

That cool?

**Nace** · 24th March 2005, 01:28 AM

I wasn't planning to be releasing our state secrets

I have to make sure my deck stays "fiendish" after all, don't I?

Hopefully I'll be able to get that trade on pojo sorted and get my heaping stack of fiends before long or I'll have to use my backup strategy >.> <.< >.>

**Last Exile** · 24th March 2005, 02:16 AM

Apparently Queensland are convinced Fiends are the way. That's the only other state's meta I'm aware of. However, my mates have it on good authority certain cards we use in SA don't appear in any other meta within Australia.

I'm trying to rejig Chaos with old school and overlooked cards. I'm gonna try it out at the big tourney for Dark Revelations promo at the Irish Club on Carrington Street on April 2 (a saturday). If you can make it, do mate. 24 of packs of Dark Revelations go to the winner.

**Nace** · 24th March 2005, 03:46 AM

Is it free? If so I can probably make it.

**SWAMPERT1** · 24th March 2005, 01:01 PM

Damn, nothing THAT big ever happens around my area. The biggest someone has won at a tourny is 4 packs I think. Its nice that they got to select the packs but...

Anyways, good luck at the tourny.

**Last Exile** · 25th March 2005, 12:32 AM

Um, it won't be free. It'd probably be like $10 mate. Everyone's using the event as their first post-ban hit out, so all the big guns of South Australia will be there.

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