Unbeatable Pokémon (kinda)

[rinku]

The last thread was locked before I could comment, but there is a straightforward way to take advantage of Sableye's lack of vulnerability - pass boosts to it.

Cosmic Power would be ideal, but I can't think of anything that learns both that and Baton Pass. Gorebyss with BP, Amnesia and Barrier gives pretty much the same deal. Or a Baton Curse Umbreon...

In 2vs2 you probably just want to use Reflect and Light Screen though. Sableye can be hard to take out through those.

Yes, I know hazing and pseudohazing are the counter, but the previous thread got me thinking...

[Crufidal]

Hmm. It's true that it wouldn't be weak to anything, unless someone decided to foresight you, which is rather impractical.

Though the Sableye wouldn't have any weaknesses, his base defense is only 75 and his base special defense is a mere 65. Its base HP is only 50. If you doubled its Def and SpDef, it would be a tank, yes, but it wouldn't be unstoppable, I don't think. The low base HP ruins lots of fun. Also, you could get Night-shaded to death, which would be sad.

Super-effective attacks only do double damage, so you could use a different Pokemon instead with few weaknesses, and double or better defenses. For instance, maybe a tankish normal type would do better. Maybe Miltank or something - it would only be weak to fighting, and its defense and HP are superior by a lot (SpDef by 5).

I just think that the lack of weaknesses doesn't make a huge difference, since some Pokemon have defenses that are about double, which could negate a super-effective attack :O

[Chris 2.1]

Lunatone now learns Baton Pass in XD, and it has Cosmic Power too I believe.

[Charizard04621]

Bleh, if it takes that much time to set up, people will see it coming from a mile away. Just like GSC's Curselax.

...Oh, and all you need is Toxic and you're set. Sableye's affected by that, right? Hmm, I guess you could have a status curer, though. But anyway, even if Sableye does get set up, since when does it do enough damage for it to be considered a threat? =P

[Ultimate Charizard]

Or you could just bump into someone like me that likes to Use Seismic Toss, its pulled my Charizard out of trouble back on RBY countless times. Anything over lvl 50 and Booyah. Down goes Sableye

[andyizcool]

Or you could just bump into someone like me that likes to Use Seismic Toss, its pulled my Charizard out of trouble back on RBY countless times. Anything over lvl 50 and Booyah. Down goes Sableye

Sableye's part Ghost so it resists Seismic Toss.

[Charizard04621]

And Night Shade is resisted by Normal types in RuSa... I think the set damage moves were still type neutral in GSC - the switch was made in RuSa, right?

[Poryhedron]

No, I'm pretty sure Normal-types were immune to Night Shade as early as GSC. Never underestimate the usefulness of Girafarig in Ecruteak Gym. :biggrin:

[Charizard04621]

Ah, that explains why few Blisseys had Seismic Toss instead of some random special attack move =P Btw when was the Seismic Toss/Night Shade = Counterable thing implemented?

[rinku]

Sableye can dish out OK, if not spectacular damage with Shadowball. Most Psychic and Ghost types don't last long against it. However, it would usually be seen with non-stat moves like Toxic, Night Shade or Confuse Ray. Some of the move tutor attacks are handy too - Swagger is better vs special attackers than Confuse Ray and Counter is useable.

Torment can be handy if the target only has one move that can affect it (often the case with Normal/Fighting types), especially in conjuction with Protect.

It learns Recover too (egg move), so can be quite durable with the right defensive boosts.

One other classic Baton Passer that will work with it is Silver Wind Ninjask. A Sableye that has one boost in all stats and a couple more in speed is a lot more nasty than most people would think, given its lack of weakness.

Also, don't forget pseudo-passing. Brick Break doesn't work on it without a Foresight, so it will normally get the benefit of Reflect/Light Screen for a few turns. If it's covered by one of those, it can use Mean Look to pin the victim in place while it sets up Toxic and Recovers until the sucker is gone.