Stupid legal moves on Pokemon

[Zak]

What are some moves that some Pokemon are allowed to have, even though it seems as though they shouldn't?

I'll start with a few...


Rest on Shedinja... what's the point if it only has 1 HP?

Aerial Ace on Diglett. I'm not even gonna try to justify that one...



~Zak

[Blademaster]

How about Poliwag learning Mega Punch... What's up with that?

Punching is done with a fist... POLIWAG HAS NO FISTS!!!

What's it gonna punch with, it's ****ing tail!?

Or maybe Torchic being able to learn Seismic Toss - those feather duster wings can't even get it off the ground - how are they gonna huck a Machamp or a Venusaur around?

[pokemon4eva]

Also........


Fire Blast with Garados(it's a water flying type!!!)

Shidinja with dig(its a bug!!!!!)

Raichu with mega horn(No Horn!!)

Celfary with metronome that turned into fly!!!!

Ferow with merror coat and uses surf!!!!

Snorlax can use surf!!!

Munchlax with hyperbeam!!!

Psyduck with confusion!!!

Gengar with Fireblast and Razor Leaf!!!

Hariyama with surf!!!

Sableye with flash!!!

[Ultimate Charizard]

Also........


Fire Blast with Garados(it's a water flying type!!!) [b]Lots of legends about water dragons that still breathe fire

Shidinja with dig(its a bug!!!!!) There are plenty of Bugs that Dig

Raichu with mega horn(No Horn!!)

Celfary with metronome that turned into fly!!!!

Ferow with merror coat and uses surf!!!! Cant really count the moves that allow any move to be used

Snorlax can use surf!!!

Munchlax with hyperbeam!!! [I]Why not?

Psyduck with confusion!!! Its a Psychic type isnt it?

Gengar with Fireblast and Razor Leaf!!! So it can use Multiple type Moves? Alot of fire types can use Solarbeam

Hariyama with surf!!!

Sableye with flash!!! its eyes are a reflective surface, why not?

Personally i cant understand why youve picked any of your suggestions apart from Raichu but i wasnt even aware it could learn Megahorn.

[Bison Woes]

But...Raichu can't learn Horn Drill...

Snorlax can swim (pretty well in fact). Why can't it use Surf?

[Greyfox]

Why does Munchlax learn Hyper Beam? He's not fully evolved...

Oh, and neither Psyduck nor Golduck are Psychic-types. They have the abilities of certain psychics, but they themselves are pure Water-types.

-drew

[pokemon4eva]

On my leaf green pokemon my raichu has Horn Drill

Well snorlax is a normal type but thats all i got for that.

Muchlax's hyberbeam might come from its metronome?

[mr_pikachu]

On my leaf green pokemon my raichu has Horn Drill

You might want to make sure about that... I just pulled up an online Pokedex, and Raichu doesn't appear to learn Megahorn in any of the games, by any means. Nor does it learn Horn Drill or any other move with "horn" in the name.

[Lady Vulpix]

Have you noticed the moves a Dunsparce can learn?
EARTHQUAKE, ROCK TOMB, FLAMETHROWER, FIRE BLAST, WATER PULSE, SHOCK WAVE, THUNDERBOLT, THUNDER, SOLARBEAM, ICE BEAM, BLIZZARD, STRENGTH, ROCK SMASH...

Isn't that asking a bit too much from the poor little thing? O_o

Oh, and Dewgong with Signal Beam too. Only non-bug pokemon to learn it. Reason: unknown.

[Pm-5000fan]

Plz dont get me started...

Furret with surf.
Clefable with thunderbolt.
Nidorino with bubblebeam
Gyrados with fireblast
Tauros with fireblast
A lot of guys with toxic(only poison pokemon should know)
Dusclops and Bannette with will-o-wisp
Seviper with flamethrower
Relicanth with earthquake(how the heck does it do that?)

Really, thats all i remember... So far...

[D!]

Relicanth with earthquake(how the heck does it do that?)

I do believe it is part Rock..

I'm not sure which version it was on of the first-generation games..
But apart from using its nose, I don't see any possible way a Diglett could use Cut..

Aggron - Ice Beam and Water Pulse..

I don't understand how this Pokemon could conjure Water/Iced Water being as it is a Steel Pokemon, and its body hasn't matured like a Water Pokemon has..
Ignoring the fact that it should be impossible for most Water Pokemon to conjure up such large amounts of Water as they do..

[Lady Vulpix]

A pokemon's type has very little to do with the attacks it can use. I don't see why an Aggron wouldn't have the ability to summon the same weird things as other pokemon of the same approximate shape and size. Relicanth, however, is a fish. Regardless of its type, how does a fish cause an Earthquake? It was actually the only move in Pm-5000fan's list that sounded truly odd to me.

[Bison Woes]

Looking at this from just a person's standpoint, yes, some of these moves make no sense. But, looking at this from another point, it does. Mew learns each and every TM and is considered the mother of all Pokemon. If all Pokemon did come from Mew, it would make sense if they know some TM moves that seem weird. It shows how they're related to each other. Relicanth is a Rock type but probably came from a Rock-Ground type before and ekpt its ability to perform Earthquake.

Besides, several of these strange moves make the 'non-cute' Pokemon more powerful (Stantler, Tauros, Dusclops, Dunsparce)

[Austrian ViceMaster Alex]

I think there really isn't a single attack a Pokémon can do that can't be somehow explained. For example Dig using Scratch (without having hands) sounds quite odd. But with some fantasy you can come up with a logical explanation for everything. I remember us having page-long topics on such things in GD.

[Lady Vulpix]

How do you know Diglett has no hands? At least half of its body is hidden underground in all the images we've seen.

[Austrian ViceMaster Alex]

Let's say for a moment it does have hands, they're just stuck somewhere underground. In order to scratch someone the Pokémon would have to poke out of its hole enough to get its hands free and then use the attack. That's something never displayed anywhere.

I think it was even told somewhere that no one knows what the Pokémon looks like cause all you ever see is its head (was maybe in an anime episode or some Pokédex entry).

[Lady Vulpix]

Maybe they do it so fast that no one gets to see it.

[Foguet]

Horn Drill on Dragonite. It's got no horns!

[pidgezero_one]

Did Nintendo just put those in for hilarity?

[Blademaster]

Horn Drill on Dragonite. It's got no horns!

It doesn't?

...

Maybe it's that stubby little spike on top of its head, between its antennae?

[Crazy Elf Boy]

Hi guys i am new to this website but i have a stupid move on my shroomish. It knows False swipe i mean it has no hands how can it swipe something.

[Blademaster]

Hey, Elf. Welcome to the family.

Shroomish can learn False Swipe, eh? Weird... I should look around for more weird stuff like that...

Until then, here's one that I can't quite figure out:

Almost every Pokemon that can learn a TM can learn Return/Frustration, including Porygon and Porygon2...

Return and Frustration can only be used when a Pokemon really likes/hates you, but Porygon and Porygon2 are made entirely out of computer code...

How can a computer program like or dislike you - IT HAS NO EMOTIONS!!!

...It also has no brain - how can it use Psychic attacks?

[+conspiracy+]

Yanma and sweet kiss

im not really sure if its unable to lay a smooch on something else, but just the thought of an oversized dragonfly......... yuck

[Sceptile_Master]

I don't see why most of those are problems. I always thought normal type using elemted move sin pokemon would be perfectly suitable.

[Lady Vulpix]

Well, with pokemon being able to be stored in computers and all... I'm inclined to think Porygon and Porygon 2 are more than computer code as we know it. The pokedex says they were designed by humans, but it seems to me that they've developed minds of their own.

[Silver_Persian]

Surfing rhydon :/

[Crazy Elf Boy]

I agree with what Austrian ViceMaster alex said how can diglett se scratch if it has no hands.
I was like 8 when Blue came out and I used to love my Dugtrio that knew slash I mean i never realised it till now how such a stupid move it was to have.

[Austrian ViceMaster Alex]

Diglett slashing or scratching does make sense if it's for example not using hands to do so. I always figured it might have a very raw, even sharp skin that not only enables it to dig easier underground but also do an attack with a similar effect to scratching by rubbing itself against the opponent.

[mr_pikachu]

Alternatively, it could do it with its teeth (assuming that Diglett possess teeth, that is). Just rip a fang across the opponent's flesh, and voila! You have a Slash.

One of the things I've never understood is not a particular attack, but rather how Fighting moves in general could possibly be strong against Rock and Steel Pokemon. Maybe Fighting > Rock is somewhat believable; after all, I have seen martial artists smash cement blocks. (Cement is still a far cry from a natural stone, but at least that keeps it within the realm of possibility.) But Fighting beating Steel?

Show me someone who can blast through steel, and I'll show you someone who knows how to use a blowtorch.

[Ultimate Charizard]

I think thats down to the whole japanese beleif in the martial arts. Ie the strongest objects can be defeated with technique. Its the same as you mentioned that trained people can break concrete blocks. I know i cant, but ive known someone break their hand trying to copy the 'touch of death' from bloodsport.
Its on that principle but taken to a higher stage.

[Magmar]

My friend Marah can punch through steel.

Well not literally. but we say she can. and there's a sign in our office warning people that she does so. because my friends rule

Stuff like a Cloyster using attract when you can't see its body--that's kinda weird.

Mr. Mime knows Magical Leaf. That one always bothered me. Where does he get the leaves from, his ass?

How does a Sunkern cut?

[Heald]

It could be like in Pokemon Stadium where the Pokemon, if they don't have claws but can Scratch e.g. Diglett, they energise claws and Scratch, much like using Swift, they are just energy stars, I don't imagine Pokemon carry around a bag of stars to use.

[mr_pikachu]

Stuff like a Cloyster using attract when you can't see its body--that's kinda weird.

Well, maybe its shell is supposed to be attractive? After all, some people consider their clothes to be a statement of who they are... *shrugs*

Mr. Mime knows Magical Leaf. That one always bothered me. Where does he get the leaves from, his ass?

Well, in the wild, he could get them from nearby shrubbery. But if they're not readily available... I dunno, maybe he Teleports them there? Or maybe he just Tricks the opponent into believing that they're there using Hypnosis!

How does a Sunkern cut?

Well, I suppose it could sharpen the leaves on its head and spin on an axis, or just swing those blade-like leaves.

...Which begs the question of why it doesn't learn Leaf Blade in that case. Meh.

It could be like in Pokemon Stadium where the Pokemon, if they don't have claws but can Scratch e.g. Diglett, they energise claws and Scratch, much like using Swift, they are just energy stars, I don't imagine Pokemon carry around a bag of stars to use.

...Pokemon ninjas! *dun dun dun*

This explains so much.

[pokemon4eva]

I realized about every pokemon can learn Areial Ace

[Magmar]

Your face can learn Aerial Ace

sorry, that was spam.

anyways.
Yeah, I re-affirm my theory of "pulling out of ass" techniques. It's just like Sailor Moon... she has to keep that wand somewhere and that skirt has no pockets.

I think Swift was supposed to represent a quick attack and anime-esque, those stupid stars that run by when they show the character running, but it more or less became the stars themselves. However the stars have nothing to do with the word swift?

[Hatake Kakashi]

The attack was originally called Speed Star.

[Elec Man EXE]

I would think Mr. Mime would get the leaves for Magical Leaf by pantomiming the leaves. If you read his 'dex entry, it says that if he can make the opponent believe something exists, then it will exist. Make them believe he's shooting leaves, and he is.

I don't understand Kirlia getting it, though. Maybe those green horn things can double as leaves? Or maybe (as I reffed it recently in ASB) it just uses psychic power to form objects that look and function as leaves.

As for Diglett... my assumption was maybe it would fire off a sharp bit of earth, causing a scratch/slash/cut. Or, since it is a mole pokemon, it has claws that we just don't see. Aerial Ace... I guess it could just be a fast attack with a bad name (the in-game description doesn't mention anything about flying or anything like that) but I always assumed a non-flying pokemon using Aerial Ace would jump into the air and then dive down.

Cloyster could attract by simply winking and making flirtatious faces, perhaps. I don't think it has to flash the other pokemon to Attract it :p

I think most moves can be explained in one way or another.

But to go the other way (pokemon that don't have moves that should)... why the hell doesn't Ampharos learn Tail Glow? His tail is a freakin' lightbulb, could a pokemon get a more fitting move.

[Crazy Elf Boy]

What i have noticed in all the animations i have seen of diglett attacking it kind of wiggles its nose so my theory it that it does a nose wiggle like on Bewitched and magics up a scratch or areial ace. lol

[Psychic_legend]

I read that Dodouo and Dodrio can't fly,but they can learn fly!!! That ruins the whole point of them being Ostriches, they are suppose to be able to run very fast,but have the inability to fly.

[The Blue Avenger]

I'm working under the theory that they get a good running start, then take a big jump to whever their trainer wants them to Fly to. Kinda like the Hulk.