Quote Originally Posted by Sorovis
Rambunctious, there is certainly other evidence pointing to the Christian God than that of the Bible. That is not the only thing we have, though it is the only thing (from God) that we follow.
What would this be? Other pieces of books, parchments, oral history? We cannot look at the world and dub that 'God made that because it looks like it.' We may have pictures but most of these were done by Renaissance artists during the 14 to 15 hundreds because the pope paid them to.

Quote Originally Posted by Sorovis
And yes, morals require intelligence. I already explained this; animals have no concept of right or wrong; they do not know that murdering is wrong. All they know is how to survive. Since our existance is not so primal, such questions of right or wrong fall on us. Not animals.
So you're saying that if my dog eats the food off the table, it is not her fault because she has no concept of right or wrong?

Yes, murdering is wrong. But there are ways around this. Would you let someone kill you if there was no other way to get away from the person besides killing them? I sure do hope not. That's self-defense. Murder is defined as the crime of unlawfully killing a person esp. with malice. What animals do is not murder. It is the survival quote, the strongest survive. And you know how many times it takes before an animal actually makes the kill? About 1 in 8 tries for most.

And we kill cows, horses, sea turtles, alligators, etc. for food. What's the difference?

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Yes, difference is an argument. Above I explained why we have right and wrong: that, along with our superior intelligence, makes us different. Not not animals, but different enough to where things do not apply to us in the same way they do to animals.
We are different but not that different. Our superior intelligence is that we create things that make us weaker. Electric can-openers, automatic doors. That is making us physically weaker. We may be mentally strong and our intelligence is pretty high but we cannot go out in the world and live as animals do for the rest of our lives. We have grown accustomed to the homes we live in, not nature.

And what does not apply to us that applies to them, I ask?

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If we feel like doing what animals do, maybe I should turn around to kill somebody for food because I am hungry.
Go ahead, let's see how much of a job you can do before that person kicks into instinct and accidentally kills you instead.

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Insects succeed where we do not socially because they have no minds and no differing opinions or, for that matter, morals.

Intelligence easily is more important than size, speed, socialism. I can take a gun and even levels with me and an elephant.
Yes they do. Insects can have rivalries with other colonies and sometimes combine together. There could be more than one queen in an ant pile. That actually reminds me of a Dexter's Lab show...

Why though? What good would it do? Intelligence isn't everything. If it was, bacteria would be long gone. Being the fittest to survive is. The thing is, we contribute everything that we do to excel in being suited to our environment with intelligence. We build shelters. Whoop-de-doo. Beavers have been building homes before us. We create fire because now we can't digest raw meat. Good Gosh. Animals can digest raw meat without the help of cooking. What good is intelligence if it doesn't help us in the real world?
We can predict earthquakes because of animals. We need animals to help us predict a possible earthquake. An example in Italy. All the cats wanted to go outside. When the owners let them out, the cats never came back except to grab kittens. An earthquake hit the same day.
Because we are not in tuned with nature anymore, we have lost this ability. We rely on machines to give us data. Animals can rely on the earth to give off waves before any machine picks up a possible earthquake.
So what is intelligence but a part of the brain stifling all instincts we used to have?