Erk... I've never used the "Copy Thread" moderator function before, and it looks like I messed up. So I'll try to repost what was on the other thread... But first, here's the copy I got of his original PM. I'll edit in a rebuttal:

Originally PM'd by "Freedom Knight":
Freedom Knight wrote on 02-17-2003 02:58 PM:
Good morning/evening/whenever, fellow ASB’ers. Many of us have been displeased with how Imp is running(or ruining, rather) our ASB. Many people before have had problems, but have been too afraid of Imp going ballistic on them. So, we have a list of all the ASB’ers who have a random number assigned, voice your opinion, and your number will show up with what you said, being posted by a brave(or just insanely stupid) soul.


Well, there's not terribly much risk of actual punishment, whatever you say. I can count on zero hands the number of people who have suffered a banning, even a temporary forum ban, at either my request or ASHarris's request. Clearly, nobody is all that much at risk here.

Here within This PM, I want you to review some recent evidence, and then give us your opinion. Send it back to the person who sent this to you, and he will tell this brave soul your opinion, and tell you your random number. The quotes are rather long, and are put in [ ]. So it may take a few days to review, but no matter what your opinion, it will be posted.

Come on, now... I know you left some opinions out. I have chat transcripts.

Impereon:
[Excellent. Optimal results for our gamble, Linux.

I direct the attention of the audience to the attack list, specifically the entry called "Bide". Bide is a move that returns the damage that was dealt to the user in the same element that it originated as. Three Night Shades should directly hit Linux, each of them doing an exceptional amount of damage due to the great efficacy of ghost attacks on ghost bodies. Linux then stores this damage, and retaliates with an über ghost attack with approximately the same base power as the attacks that hit him... at the time they hit his body, not at the time they were produced in the first place. So when they hit his ghostly opponent, they will do even MORE damage, since poor Fata Morgana has no defense against her own ghostly deceits.

When the attack list was written, I set the description of Bide as it is specifically to prevent this trick from being easily done. But the kindly Don'tRunWithScizors has set up the ONE situation in which Bide still has the devestatingly optimal results... An opponent that uses a supereffective attack that it itself is weak against... I did not expect him to actually do this when I directed Linux to change to ghost/poison instead of, say, dark, but it appears we successfully led the last couple rounds of battle, to our opponents' dismay.]

Quoted strait from Imp Himself, In a battle VS DRWS. Now, is it my mistake that it’s the REF who interprets the move, NOT the user? Imp has written the Attack List Beta, so chances are that ONE situation for optimal results exist, Chances are, Imp has made that situation known only to himself, since he seems to have all the cards when it comes to interpreting the attacks list HE wrote.


I challenge anyone to justify Bide as it was reffed in that match. Any point when a pokémon is ruled to spontaneously suffer 80% or more damage, essentially declaring an instant loss from very high health from its own attack with no conceivable advantage, is probably not what the attack list has in mind. If it did have that in mind, then the attack list has to change.

A little background on Bide might help people understand what exactly I was referring to. I figured people understood already, but now that I think about it there's no way the newer members possibly could, right? Basically, the pre-Attack List Bide was exactly like the gameboy version. You take the damage the Bider suffered, and double it exactly. That becomes the damage the other pokémon suffers. So if you dealt 30% in one round, and your opponent Bided it all, your own pokémon would automatically take 60%, usually more than enough to cripple it even if you were winning before. Consequently, battles were all too often decided by who connected with Bide the most.

When I wrote the attack list, I had two game-mechanic-oriented goals in mind: First, I needed to rein in overpowered moves, so that no move was impossible to get along without. Second, I needed to try to make sure every move allowed for some conceivable use, so that every move served some useful purpose, under the right conditions. Bide was overpowered before, but if I did something like "Bide automatically does damage equal to the damage the user suffered" it would become underpowered and useless. The Bide I settled on was weak in certain situations but really shined in others.

Essentially, the return pulse of the Bide would retain its type, rather than applying a brute multiplier. So if you Bided a set of Thunderbolts back into an Electabuzz, it would have its type resistance to the Bide, and therefore not suffer as badly. If a Starmie Thunderbolted you, though, it would have a type weakness instead of a resistance, so it would hurt a lot more if you Bided at just the right time. Consequently, the new Bide (at least in my estimation, and anyone is invited to dispute this in the attack list tower) is more strategic than the old, since in order to get a good effect from it you have to #1: Convince your opponent to use attacks that it is weak against and #2: Bide those attacks at just the correct moment for maximum effect. If you muff either of these things up, the Bide won't do nearly as well.

Yeah, I'll probably have to touch up Bide in the future. It seems to have been described a little more obtuse than it should've been. A mistake on my part, sorry about that.[/i]

Now, onto another piece of literature involving Imp and another fellow.

Mozz:
[I have been asked to ref this match. I am not a "ranked" ref, but then again, I don't ref here much. DRWS knows me, as does Impereon, so I have nothing to worry, I'd hope.]


For all of those players who don't know, Mozz is the owner of BMG, one of the two home sites of the PASBL, the biggest ASB in the English-speaking internet. It would be unfair to claim that he is insufficiently competent to ref.

In the past, TPM and the PASBL have often been at odds. A petty, mindless rivalry, when in fact both ASBs are very different and have no reason to hate each other. What I wanted to do by asking Mozz, an official from the other league, to ref was because I hoped it would serve as a symbolic healing-thing between the two leagues. It apparently didn't pan out that way.


Later, by Imp:
[gamewizard007:

If you mean "rigged" in the sense that I've bothered to look at Mozz's other reffings and therefore know that in his reffings the tactics you're using are bad, then I guess it is rigged. You would have known too, however, had you bothered to find out what Mozz's reffing style was. For most experienced players, researching the referee's style is fairly routine. Prevents you from getting a nasty surprise if you run into someone who didn't just directly copy the style of one of the veterans.

Now post your attacks. Judging by Mozz's reffing style, this first part of the battle is going to be horrendously long and probably tedious, too. Both combatants are virtually immune to the entire moveset of the other, assuming we take basic defensive precautions.]

Funny, How you seemed to have read an unranked refs former matches, and thus know his style. Well, that hasn’t been awarded, apparently, to anyone other than you, now, I’m not trying to say you have a ref working for you, but…


Mozz has hundreds of reffings archived at his own ASB. I read them.

Now In the same battle, also later, by Deck Knight:
[If I may remind Mozz, Sludge Bomb is mostly liquids, Sandstorm is a well... a Storm of Sand, with strong winds and sand EVERYWHERE. chances are, the Sludge Bomb liquids will catch on pieces of sand and they will fall harmlessly to the ground. Not to mention Onix's Substitute is still up. So your chances of actually hitting the Onix, much less poisoning it through its rocky hide, are slim to none. Eyes, Nostrils, and other orfices are extremely hard to hit, even when you CAN see your opponent. (and, between Substitute and Sandstorm, chances are, Hyacinth CAN'T.]

Next post, by Imp:
[You would do well to start minding your own business, Deck Knight. I seem to remember you causing trouble in a certain DRWS/TMM match, too... Unless you have something particularly meaningful to say, keep quiet. In most battles, that won't be the case, especially if you are not what we call a "participant."]


Deck Knight drops in and spams, in my opinion. I'll freely admit that I could conceivably be biased by the fact that he's in my own battle thread, but I'd also like to point out that I had just warned him out of two other battle threads for being overbearing. Deck Knight is a frequent violator, so consequently I'm going to be a little bit more irritated with him. Whether we're talking about my battle or someone else's.

Now, if I may recall and see, Deck Knight was merely stating facts, apparently, Imp’s definition of meaningful must mean in his favor, basically, he’s saying, because Deck Knight is not the participant, any facts working against Imp’s favor should be null and void. Gee… so not flaming in any way (did YOU see any ACTUAL insults), stating facts relevant to the battle, and not agreeing with Imp are apparently SPAM now. Gee, I wonder WHO decided that? (Imp).

Evidently, facts are highly mutable. I honestly did not and do not see any useful input from Deck Knight.

Later, by Deck Knight(with quote from mozz):
[quote:
Originally posted by The Mozz
I have an idea. DK, if you think you know Sludge Bomb, tell me how it's a liquid after you watch the Raikou Special.

I'll ref it how I see it, not taking into account any post which doesn't contain the attacks for this upcoming round.

Reffing soon.


I can't comment on the Raikou Special. I haven't seen it. If anybody wants to say that they saw a move do something a certain way on the Raikou Special, I can't hope to refute them.

Sludge Bomb: The user spits out a glob of darkish LIQUID. This glob is viscous and hangs together well enough to be spat a fairly long way, where it proceeds to splatter. This LIQUID is very acidic, and anything that comes in contact with it may be either burned or poisoned. Good damage. Good accuracy.

Straight from the Attack List Beta. Now Mozz, you can use the Raikou special, or use Imps very own description (it is, after all, his battle), it's really up to you.]


The description for Sludge Bomb currently on the attack list is based mostly on guesswork and the game. This was all I had to work with... When the next big patch goes into the move list, chances are Sludge Bomb will be modified.

Now, the last bit of evidence for this part, from Imp:

[Hmm...

Referee harassment, verbal abuse, lying about the league rules, spamming, match interference, poor sportsmanship...

And to top it all off, you accuse me of cheating.

I'm closing this. Since clearly I am not viewed by certain parties as an impartial source, ASHarris can clean this up when she comes back. I suspect she'll agree that there's a grievous problem present.]

Referee Harassment, Verbal abuse, Spamming, and Match interference, and Poor sportsmanship, That can all just be regarded as about Deck Knight’s post stating facts of the definition of Sludge Bomb, apparently, all those rules are broken as soon as Imp doesn’t get his way with the laws of physics. As for Lying about the League rules, The ref is free to interpret attacks how he wishes, Deck Knight was just stating what would happen if this were to occur according to REAL physics, not Imp physics.


Deck Knight and GameWizard007 ambushed Mozz in a private chat and then attempted to bully him into reffing in their favor. If anyone thinks that this is appropriate, I'd sincerely like to hear your reasoning. The transcript will be posted as soon as I finish typing up my rebuttals.

Lastly, by ASHarris:

[Can I not be sick in peace?

Of course not. That would make too much sense.

I'll deal with this in full tomorrow. My mother would scream if she knew that I'm out of bed right now. She might even use my middle name, which is never a good sign.

But just to make it perfectly clear: gamewizard007, Deck Knight, I am not impressed. Not at all. And you've picked a bad time to make me upset with you to any degree. For your sake, I hope you keep an extremely low profile between now and when I return to clean up your mess.]

Hmmm, now, Imp seems to be the only one evading trouble here, I wonder why, maybe its because he is a Mod, and not subject to any other rules and regulations, it appears he was the one doing the insulting earlier.


On the other hand, it might also be reasonable to think that perhaps bullying a ref to extract more favorable reffings might be inappropriate in ASHarris's opinion, too. Anyone else think this might be possible?

Let us also look at some professional grade stuff that affects EVERYONE, like, the Economy.

Ever since Imp was instated, prices have been upped severely, and WHY? Because a FEW ASBers had LOTS of money. Now, he ups the prices so only the rich can pay, what does that leave for people who have less than 20? Nothing.


I have Ą0. I can't afford anything either, for the time being.

The old economic system was even less newbie-friendly. Basically, when the businesses started, pokéballs were Ą2. But since there was no overhead, money that was paid to the businesses stayed in the businesses, so business owners who got ten people to buy from them had Ą20 to buy 10 free pokémon. These would be purchased from a second business owner, who would then come back to the first business owner and spend that Ą20 again to buy 10 MORE pokémon. In this way, newbies were left in the dust. To fix this, old Business Heads took to the practice of increasing the prices every so often, so a business owner with Ą20 could suddenly only buy, say, 2 pokémon. Yet this put even 1 pokémon out of the reach of newbies.

In the new system, I'll fully grant that the prices are still out of the reach of newbies. However, for the first time ever, prices are able to go DOWN rather than up, and consequently they should fall back into newbie range eventually. I've already suggested a faster method of getting them into newbie range: Reset all bank accounts. However, it got voted down by people like Deck Knight. So I have to do this the slow way. Democracy has cons as well as pros, I guess.


In fact, his New “Free-for-All” Tourney, he bluntly stated it was to throw the rich peoples money in a money abyss, and with a 500Ą entry fee and 200Ą per salvage ball, guess who COULDN’T enter the tourney. It was probably you. Thus, “Free” and “for All” was a pretty misleading title. In fact, Imp has set up a “money abyss” for this.

[i]Let's take care of the obvious first. From Webster's New World Dictionary:

"'free-for-all' n. a disorganized, general fight; brawl"

Anyone who thinks "free-for-all" means something else should take it up with Webster, not with me.

Imp:
[Just to make a couple things clear...

Neither I nor ASHarris is getting so much as a red cent from this tournament. This is not a tournament in the sense of a business tournament; the entry fees will be taken and burned, essentially. Or if you want a story explanation, they go straight to Sylph, the stockholders of which are not among our number. You will be able to use your Salvage Balls however you like in the bounds of the arena. If you play well enough there are going to be exceedingly excellent prizes, well worth the price of admission. If you play poorly... Well, it won't be worth what you paid. But that's the concept of competition, is it not? There are many, many prizes, and you can take your pick of what you're skilled enough to find and keep. The better stuff, obviously, is going to be tougher to get, but honestly... didn't that occur to you without me pointing it out?]

There you have it, the money goes to a money abyss.


How, exactly, is it a bad thing to entertain the players of ASB while simultaneously working to improve ASB? ASHarris and I have been working hard on the tourney, and I think a certain couple people have been unreasonable. And it isn't like those few people left out (and they have to be left out no matter what, if only because there's no way we'd ever manage to ref a monster tourney with two or three times as many players) don't have other things to do. I just approved a couple of other tournaments, what's wrong with them?

Incidentally, it is a delicate matter to balance the value of the tournament winnings so that they are worth the entry prize YET do not provide unsurmountable advantages to those who entered. I believe that ASHarris and I have successfully straddled that line.


To close, Imp says he is the harborer of democracy, so, with your votes, he shall see what his “democracy” thinks of him. He may act like everyone has had their fair say, but I don’t recall the poorer people (or even the richer) asking for the prices to be increased exponentially. I don’t recall anyone voting on whether Imp should be exempt from his own rules, and I certainly don’t recall voting for Imp to impose the fear of voicing our opinions against his rule! Its time for the Impire to come down!

None of these things have actually happened. I realize you're trying to be dramatic, but you're also being false.