Moves for Blaziken

[Tall-Guy]

Hey,

I'm raising a Torchic now (my starter). I'm going to use it later to breed a better Torchic that will evolve to Blaziken for my team.
I think my Blaziken going to be a special sweeper.
I would like you to give me some moves and explain why its the best moves fitted (since I am a newbie).
Moreover, how can I get those moves (breeding, TM, etc).
Thanks.

[andyizcool]

He's best as a Physical Sweeper not a Special Sweeper. Best move to breed on would be Rock Slide from a Camerupt.

Blaziken@Salac Berry/Leftovers
Bulk Up
Brick Break
Fire Blast
Rock Slide/Earthquake

[Tall-Guy]

Right, my mistake.
I checked Torchic base stats which shines with Special Attack, but Blaziken has a bigger Physical attack.

[andyizcool]

Right, my mistake.
I checked Torchic base stats which shines with Special Attack, but Blaziken has a bigger Physical attack.

That means you should always check the evolved forms because nearly none of the unevolved forms are any good. Look at TMs/HMs that Blaziken can learn too, not many Special Attacks so it wouldn't really work as a Special Sweeper.

[Tall-Guy]

Why using Fire Blast then? It is a special attack move, and Blazkien special attack is not very high.
Moreover, I remember someone once told me that moves that dont have 100% chance hitting and not very recommanded to use.

About Earthquake, since its ground attack, Blazkien get a penalty when using it no?

[andyizcool]

It may be a Physical Sweeper but Fire Blast gets STAB and when Blaziken is weak his Ability Blaze adds another STAB to Fire Attacks. Fire Blast has an accurracy of 85% which is better than Thunder and Blizzard that only have an accurracy of 70%. This shows Fire Blast is the best powerful move in that area of attacks. Earthquake has no penalty when a Blaziken uses it.

[Ultimate Pikachu]

Blaziken does have high Special Attack, but its Attack is better and it doesn't get many special moves. Blaziken is best with Endure+Reversal. Here is a set.

Blaziken
Ability:Blaze
Nature:Hasty/Naive(Adds to speed in case Salac Berry isn't enough)
Itemalac Berry
EVs:129 Attack,252 Speed, 129 Special Attack

Endure
Reversal
Flamethrower
filler

First use Endure, then Reversal or Flamethrower depending on who you're fighting. Last move is anything that takes care of weaknesses. Toxic works well.

[Tall-Guy]

I think you'll have to explain what STAB means ;P

Nice set ultimate Pikachu, I really liked the idea to make you lose HP and then use reversal. But im not sure what you meant when you said that last move should take care of weakness? (toxic)

[phaedrus]

Blaziken
Ability:Blaze
Nature:Hasty/Naive(Adds to speed in case Salac Berry isn't enough)
Itemalac Berry
EVs:129 Attack,252 Speed, 129 Special Attack

Endure
Reversal
Flamethrower
filler

No, that doesn't work well. Taking off Defenses makes it worse for Blaziken. Anyways fireblast>flamethrower.

enduriken: endure-reversal-fireblast-earthquake/brickbreak@salac(adamant)

phys.sweeper: brickbreak-rockslide-earthquake-swordsdance@salac

subpuncher: subsitute-focuspunch-earthquake/rockslide-overheat@leftovers

subversal: subsitute-reversal-fireblast/overheat-earthquake/brickbreak@salac

[Tall-Guy]

The only thing I'm thinking now is -

?????

[Don't Run With Scizors]

No, taking off defenses is good for Blaziken, because taking off of anything else would be bad. Blaziken's defense lies in its ability to destroy things before things destroy it, so it needs its best attack power.

Take off those special attack effort points and stick them on Attack. Reversal needs to be doing as much damage as possible, while Fire Blast\Overheat will still be powerful against most other common things that might not be defeated with Reversal (Skarmory, Groudon, perhaps?).

[Poryhedron]

I think you'll have to explain what STAB means ;P

STAB stands for Same-Type Attack Bonus. If a pokémon using an attack is the same type as the attack it's using, then it deals 1.5 times as much damage. Blaziken, for example, will deal 1.5 times as much damage with Fire Blast as it would if it weren't a Fire-type pokémon.
Fire Blast is being suggested here because, if a physical-sweeper Blaziken runs into a physical sponge, it could be in trouble. Fire Blast is a good choice for an emergency special attack because it's quite strong, gets that Same-Type Attack Bonus, and will also get another 1.5-times bonus if Blaziken is badly hurt, because of Blaziken's Special Ability.

Nice set ultimate Pikachu, I really liked the idea to make you lose HP and then use reversal. But im not sure what you meant when you said that last move should take care of weakness? (toxic)

Ultimate Pikachu means that the last move in that set should be chosen so that it can handle targets that the other three moves won't work on.


By the way, you'll notice that there are several different ideas around here about what's best... In the end, it may depend simply on what seems to work well for you. If you try a set against talented human opponents and it loses more often than you'd like, try another set. Different people have different battle styles that work best for them.

[Mitch's Bashamo]

I use Overheat with my Blaziken and I have a White Herb attached to restore it's Special Attack for a turn. Overheat does 140 damage and has 90 accuracy, though Special Attack is lowered it's still a good move and that's why I have a White Herb attached.

[Tall-Guy]

When you all said "taking off Blazkien defense" - what did you mean?
Non of the moves ultimate pikachu suggested lower defense. (he only lose HP because the enemy can attack first).

Poryhedron:
Yes, I did notice people have style of battling
I'm just trying to learn the common for now.

[andyizcool]

I use Overheat with my Blaziken and I have a White Herb attached to restore it's Special Attack for a turn. Overheat does 140 damage and has 90 accuracy, though Special Attack is lowered it's still a good move and that's why I have a White Herb attached.

I thought of that Overheat White Herb idea long ago. Why have a White Herb when you could boost your Speed with a Salac Berry when you're low on HP? Blaziken could use one Overheat and he might not last to use another so a Salac Berry would work better than a White Herb even with Overheat. In my opinion though I think Fire Blast is better than Overheat on a Physical Sweeper.

[Cedric]

My Blaziken is like this:
Sky Uppercut
Flamethrower
Bulk up
Rock Slide

I think he rox

[Tall-Guy]

Thanks, I think I'll go for andyizcool moves.
Brick break is a nice counter to light screen and reflect which can make my Blazkien useless.
Maybe I can build my own moves set later on.

[andyizcool]

Maybe I can build my own moves set later on.

Using Standards is the best idea until you get the feeling you can handle making your own. I like to test some new Pokemon Movesets on RSBot and I get many successes and just as many failures. Stick with the Standards because they always work well in battles.

[Tall-Guy]

I think I'll stick with NetBattle for now.
although it not r/s yet.
I cant use RSBot right now, I need to configure my firewall to work with 6667.

[Powarun]

Ulti-Pikachu, wouldn't that be the best stratgey for any pokemon with an attack greater than its special attack? Honestly I don't think that for Blaziken it would work well, mainly because it can learn other attacks, like brick break, almost anyfire attack, EQ? and others, it has a greater boundrary than the endure reversal with Salac berry combo.

[Mitch's Bashamo]

andyiscool - I don't have any access to Salac, Petaya etc. I've only got a Leichi because Nintendo gave me one when I had the R/S bug fixed and sorry for stealing your idea.

[andyizcool]

andyiscool - I don't have any access to Salac, Petaya etc. I've only got a Leichi because Nintendo gave me one when I had the R/S bug fixed and sorry for stealing your idea.

You can get all those Rare Berries off Pokemon Colosseum whenever you'll be able to get access to it.

[rinku]

I think the other 4 "stat boost" berries are on the e-card sets as well.

[Don't Run With Scizors]

rinku: Nah, e-card Berries aren't permanent. There's a set "Enigma Berry" slot for these berries to go into when they're scanned, and they disappear when you scan in another card, because the data for the e-card berries isn't programmed into the game. This also prevents you from trading these berries to other games. The stat-boosting berries, however, are programmed into the game.

Although, if you were a really savvy programmer, you could probably program in data for an e-card berry that raises all stats to their maximum level. ^_^

[rinku]

Okay. Thanks for the info. Looking at the serebii.net berrydex, I'm guessing the card berries are intended to be turned into pokéblocks (which won't disappear). Would this put a cramp on their ability to be mixed via link-cable?

[Don't Run With Scizors]

Never tried it, though in link-battles if a berry does something then it just labels it as an "Enigma Berry". Maybe it does a similar thing with link-mixing, except it shows the Enigma Berry graphic instead of the e-card berry graphic on the other screens.