PS2:A Discussion

[Crazy]

This is a discussion about the PS2. This system has been around for 3 years and it is no longer impressive in the graphics or gameplay department. The Gamecube and the Xbox beat it in both gameplay and graphics. The reason why I say this is that the PS2 has a problem with repeating itself and it has done just about every type of game due to how long it has been around,and the other systems do it better. This is a opinion of mine though so I don't mean to insult PS2 owners or anything,but I want to see what you think about the PS2.

[Razola]

And utter shame that the most popular system is the weakest. Makes ports very painful.

Sony are the Lords of Advertising. I think Microsoft has done a damn good job though, and they've worked the hardest of the three. Sony is just winning due to popularity.

And I have a feeling it was called "Playstation 2" just so people would recognize it was a successor to the old Playstation.

[DeAtH2LeMoNaDe]

The Gamecube and the Xbox beat it in both gameplay

This is wrong. The gameplay is determined by the game itself, not the console. You can't say playing the Two Towers on the PS2 is any different from playing it on the Gamecube on X-Box.

Anyway, the PS2 is probably the best-seller because it was released a year before the other two, is also a DVD player, has popular mainstream games (GTA, Pro Evolution Soccer), is reasonably cheap and, in my opinion has the better controller. Many people bought a Playstation and it turned out that, for the first time ever, a next-generation console (the Nintendo64) was facing competition from a previous generation's console (the Playstation). Why did people prefer the Playstation? It could play CDs, it had demos and it had popular mainstream games.

[Amethyst Flygon]

It seems to me that PS2 has a wider variety of games. I'm a bit picky about the games I play, so the more games there are, the more likely there is one that I like. The PS1 also had more games than the N64 as far as I know. People are happier with a wider selection.

I don't own a Xbox so I don't know about it, but I have many more RPG games on my PS2 than Gamecube.
PS2:
Xenosaga
Disqaea: Hour of Darkness
Jade Coccoon 2
Okage Shadow King
.hack series
Evergrace
and all the ones on the PS1
Gamechube:
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicals
Pokemon Colloseum

I use my PS2 for RPGs and some action/adventure games, and i play most everything else on my Gamecube.

PS2 can play CDs and DVDs. Xbox can and Gamecube can't. PS2 has backwards compatibility, Xbox and Gamecube don't.

[PNT510]

This is wrong. The gameplay is determined by the game itself, not the console. You can't say playing the Two Towers on the PS2 is any different from playing it on the Gamecube on X-Box.
The games are better on XBox and GCN though. The XBox and Gamecube version both have better graphics and for ROTK(not sure about TTT) on Gamecube you could link up with the GBA version.

Anyway, the PS2 is probably the best-seller because it was released a year before the other two, is also a DVD player,
Xbox has a DVD player
has popular mainstream games (GTA, Pro Evolution Soccer),
Xbox has GTA and Pro Evolition Soccer is not a popular mainstream game.
is reasonably cheap and,
No it's not gamecube has been cheaper and other than that it's been the same price as XBox
in my opinion has the better controller. Many people bought a Playstation and it turned out that, for the first time ever, a next-generation console (the Nintendo64) was facing competition from a previous generation's console (the Playstation).
PS1 and N64 were from the same generation
Why did people prefer the Playstation? It could play CDs, it had demos and it had popular mainstream games.
People liking playstation had nothing to do with those reasons. It had a much larger selection of games is what it had. It also had Squaresoft making games for them. I don't know more than 2 people who used it as a CD player, because when Playstation came around people could buy cheap CD players when PS2 came around a DVD player was almost as much as a PS2. People didnt care about Demos that much, and you're saying Mario, Zelda, Star Fox, Donkey Kong, and James bond weren't "mainstream games"?

[Gengachu]

PS2 sucks, IMO. Not only is it the least powerful, but most of the games it has suck. It may have a lot of games, but most of the exclusive ones aren't that great. The only games on it that interest me are Disgaea(or however you spell it) and Castlevania. I'm not going to buy a console for two games.

[Thy]

The PS2 sells well because of publishers. When the PS2 came out, it was the first next-gen system out at the time. Kids bought it. Publishers, realizing the chance to make a quick buck, release games. Soon, more publishers arrive at Sony's doorstep ready to work for them. While the CGN and XBox come out, the publishers already know they can make money on the PS2 and realease most, if not all, their games on Sony's machine. The PS2 might not compare techwise to the Gamecube or XBox, but publishers know that the PS2 is a quick buck. Now you see why there are so little 3rd party titles on the other two systems compared to teh PS2.

[Razola]

Those of you saying "it came out first" as a reason for the PS2's success mustr have quickly forgotten about the Dreamcats.

[DeAtH2LeMoNaDe]

PNT510 - - Xbox has a DVD player
- Xbox has GTA and Pro Evolition Soccer is not a popular mainstream game.
- No it's not gamecube has been cheaper and other than that it's been the same price as XBox

I was talking about those reasons when it was first released about a year before the X-Box. I'm not a complete idiot you know.

And by the way, in England, Pro Evolution Soccer is the most popular PS2 game by far.

Compared to other DVD players at the time, the PS2, when it was new, seemed like the best option because it was cheap compared to other DVD players as it also came with the ability to play games.

[PhatZapdos]

im going to settle it for all you sony fanboys. PS2 is headed straight down the shitter. xbox has done such a tremendous job and there is so much ahead for them in the future, PS2 is lucky that they had a year head start. even gamecube is coming with some original games of its own, that i think, can easily take whatever garbage PS2 is bringing. sony better step it up, xbox is right up tehir ass, and GC is slowly coming up.

[The Muffin Man]

The problem with Sony is they're getting too cocky. The PSP is going to suck them dry(10 hour battery life! ....if you use it as an iPod and not for games ;( Then it's only 2-3 hours...) and the PS2 is slowly dying down. Everyone has one and all the games. Viewtiful Joe gave GC a huge boost because it was new and innovative. What does PS2? An port. About a year or so late, too...

PS2 is on its' way out and Sony has to start playing their cards right. The PS2 is a great system, but Sonys gotta start looking towards the PS3, since it's obvious the PSP isn't gonna last.

[DeAtH2LeMoNaDe]

im going to settle it for all you sony fanboys. PS2 is headed straight down the shitter. xbox has done such a tremendous job and there is so much ahead for them in the future, PS2 is lucky that they had a year head start. even gamecube is coming with some original games of its own, that i think, can easily take whatever garbage PS2 is bringing. sony better step it up, xbox is right up tehir ass, and GC is slowly coming up.

Spoken like a true XBox fanboy.

Don't accuse others of being fanboys, hypocrite.

[Razola]

Repeating this because I need to:

A year head start was not the reason it succeeded. Derf derf, Dreamcast anyone?

PS2 is winning due to name recognition, a huge library, and the best 3rd party support.

Other than that, it is crap. Take away the 3rd Party titles and you have a system with "meh" online support, a controller based on the SNES, a crappy DVD player, and only two controller slots to top it off.

[DeAtH2LeMoNaDe]

PS2 is winning due to name recognition, a huge library, and the best 3rd party support.

Other than that, it is crap. Take away the 3rd Party titles and you have a system with "meh" online support, a controller based on the SNES, a crappy DVD player, and only two controller slots to top it off.

First of all, even if the controller was based on the SNES, in my opinion it has the best controller out of the three consoles.

And you're basically saying take away the games and you're left with a console that is one year older than the rest.

People don't care about the console, they don't buy consoles to say 'I am ultra-leet', they buy consoles to play games and it is with the huge library of excellent games (plus a load of crap ones, but that is expected) that it draws in the crowds.

[GreenShirT]

PS2 did so well in the UK because it was all teh little charva kids had heard of and unfortunatley there are alot of them. So off they went whinning to mammy and daddy for one for xmas and they got them.
It isnt a bad console and there are alot of games I like on it but recently GC has started to get these titles aswell and with improvements on the PS2 version.
I like the PS2, love GC and hate XBOX.

[PhatZapdos]

Spoken like a true XBox fanboy.

Don't accuse others of being fanboys, hypocrite.

yes ma'am?!

seriosuly, ive had PS2 since it was out, and i enjoyed the 1st set of games that were on it....since GTA has ported to the xbox, there hasnt been much that has appealed to me on PS2, the only thing would be FF, but i dont play rpg's very much. and after E3 amd seeing what xbox had to offer in the future compared to what PS had.....i think any1 would agree xbox is going to the top, just look at the roster and weep. GC has a few games that cought my attention as well (zelda, metroid), im definitly getting zelda...perhaps rent metroid 1st
then i saw what PS2 had....PSP....meh, no big **** =\, i'd say the only game that im considering for my ps2 is the new MGS....besides that....

[PNT510]

First of all, even if the controller was based on the SNES, in my opinion it has the best controller out of the three consoles.

And you're basically saying take away the games and you're left with a console that is one year older than the rest.

People don't care about the console, they don't buy consoles to say 'I am ultra-leet', they buy consoles to play games and it is with the huge library of excellent games (plus a load of crap ones, but that is expected) that it draws in the crowds.

He didn't say take away the games. He said take away the 3rd party games. Let's look at the consoles when you take away 3rd party games.

PS2 has Grand Turismo, Jak and Dexter, Ractchet and Clank and a few others. Good games, but not the best around.
XBox has Halo, PGR, Oddworld, Fable and quite a few others. Halo is great, and Fable looks greats, other than that Microsoft doesn't seem much better off first party wise, other than the number of titles released.
Gamecube on the other hand has Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, Metroid, Pokemon, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Super Smash Bros. The list goes on and on. What Raz was saying(I think), if it wasn't for Sony's great 3rd party suport it would have nothing, while Microsoft has the most powerful system and best online suport and gamecube by far has the best 1st party games.

[PhatZapdos]

so i seee 8)

[DeAtH2LeMoNaDe]

He didn't say take away the games. He said take away the 3rd party games. Let's look at the consoles when you take away 3rd party games.

PS2 has Grand Turismo, Jak and Dexter, Ractchet and Clank and a few others. Good games, but not the best around.
XBox has Halo, PGR, Oddworld, Fable and quite a few others. Halo is great, and Fable looks greats, other than that Microsoft doesn't seem much better off first party wise, other than the number of titles released.

Those are what are known as Exclusive games. They are all third party games. Sony and XBox are almost made up entirely of third party games (Sony releases one every so often e.g. the Getaway, Singstar and Microsoft have Mechwarrior).

Third party games are when they are developed by another company e.g. Capcom, Konami. First-party games are those developed by the console owners e.g. Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft.

Exclusive games are games only available on that particular console e.g. Mario Party, Devil May Cry, Halo.

[PNT510]

I know what an exclusive game is, and what a first party game is and what a 3rd party game is. I was solely talking about first party games.

[DarkTemplarZ]

The quantity and quality of games are what puts it in direct competition with gamecube and xbox. Simply put, PS2 has every game from the original playstation (including the best game ever according to GameFAQs, FF7) and all the best of Sega, not to mention it's own games. Take a look at this:

01 Ragnarok Online - PC
02 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - PS2
03 Pokemon Ruby - GBA
04 Final Fantasy XI - PC
05 Final Fantasy X - PS2
06 Final Fantasy X-2 - PS2
07 Ninja Gaiden - XBOX
08 Final Fantasy VII - PS
09 Super Smash Bros. Melee - GC
10 Samurai Warriors - PS2

GameFAQ's current top 10 most popular FAQs. Four of them for PS2 plus FF7 for PSX, whereas only 1 for Xbox and GameCube each.

[PhatZapdos]

GameFAQ's current top 10 most popular FAQs. Four of them for PS2 plus FF7 for PSX, whereas only 1 for Xbox and GameCube each.

faqs have nothing to do with how popular a game is :-_-:

[Heald]

Actually, people will look at FAQs if they have bought the game. So, obviously, if more games are sold, the more hits the FAQs will get, so technically, the most popular games will also have the most popular FAQs.

And why not call the topic PS2:Lets bash it

And here's a newsflash - yes, Gamecube is technically the better console but only slightly. You describe as if the Gamecube was like the XBox compared to the PS2 but it is still 128-bit. I don't even notice the difference myself, but then again, since the games I play are either cel-shaded or have really bright graphics it is hard to notice it at all. The PS2 does its job well - it plays games. The reason the PS2 is far more popular is because it had the chronological advantage. By the time the XBox and Gamecube were released, everyone already had a PS2 and, unless you're spoilt, rich or just spend your money on consoles, it really isn't economically viable to buy another console just for their exclusive games. I would not buy the Gamecube, not even for Rogue Squadron. It may have decent exclusive games but so does the PS2.

[Tainted]

I own a Gamecube, and a PS2; the only reason I bought the PS2 was for Final Fantasy and Grand Theft Auto. Those are the only games I own for it...
Well, I guess I could've gotten an Xbox instead for GTA, but in my opinion, it's a hunk of **** compared even to the Ps2... sure, the graphics are better, but if you've got a PC, you don't need a ****ing Xbox. Want to pretend you have an Xbox? Turn on your computer and pick up the keyboard in both hands and use it like a controller... It equals roughly the same size of the Xbox controller.

Adieu,
Zak Hunter

[PNT510]

I own a Gamecube, and a PS2; the only reason I bought the PS2 was for Final Fantasy and Grand Theft Auto. Those are the only games I own for it...
Well, I guess I could've gotten an Xbox instead for GTA, but in my opinion, it's a hunk of **** compared even to the Ps2... sure, the graphics are better, but if you've got a PC, you don't need a ****ing Xbox. Want to pretend you have an Xbox? Turn on your computer and pick up the keyboard in both hands and use it like a controller... It equals roughly the same size of the Xbox controller.

Adieu,
Zak Hunter

ROFL GAMECUBE ONLY HAS KIDDIE GAMES LOL

[Gengachu]

The quantity and quality of games are what puts it in direct competition with gamecube and xbox. Simply put, PS2 has every game from the original playstation (including the best game ever according to GameFAQs, FF7) and all the best of Sega, not to mention it's own games. Take a look at this:

01 Ragnarok Online - PC
02 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - PS2
03 Pokemon Ruby - GBA
04 Final Fantasy XI - PC
05 Final Fantasy X - PS2
06 Final Fantasy X-2 - PS2
07 Ninja Gaiden - XBOX
08 Final Fantasy VII - PS
09 Super Smash Bros. Melee - GC
10 Samurai Warriors - PS2

GameFAQ's current top 10 most popular FAQs. Four of them for PS2 plus FF7 for PSX, whereas only 1 for Xbox and GameCube each.

That doesn't mean ****. The entire GameFAQs community is obsessed with Final Fantasy. All of the PS games, but 2 were Final Fantasy. GameFAQs is completely biased and most of them started gaming on PS1.

And what do you mean by "the best of Sega"? There are just as many Sega games on GameCube and X-Box and they don't suck. All three systems have Sonic Heroes, so you can't use that(not that it's the best of sega).

[DarkTemplarZ]

A while ago Sony released a whole series of games which were remakes of the best games Sega had just for PS2. And just because you hate Final Fantasy doesn't mean the majority of people do. At least 75% of the gaming people I know love FF and have beaten at least 1-2 of them, and no they're not all GameFAQs people.

[Tainted]

ROFL GAMECUBE ONLY HAS KIDDIE GAMES LOL

Sarcasm. The best form of humor.

Adieu,
Zak Hunter

[Craig]

Dreamcast mainly failed because it was a sega product. People were prejudiced against it for years until they stopped making consoles, only games. Suddenly "omfg, sega r0x"

dreamcast is pwn.

[Gengachu]

A while ago Sony released a whole series of games which were remakes of the best games Sega had just for PS2. And just because you hate Final Fantasy doesn't mean the majority of people do. At least 75% of the gaming people I know love FF and have beaten at least 1-2 of them, and no they're not all GameFAQs people.

I don't hate Final Fantasy. I just think the series as a whole is overrated. Within the series are a few very good games, but the rest are merely average. For example, I love FF6 and FF Tactics, but hate FF8, and think FF7 and FFTA are o.k. The FF series is really a hit and miss thing.

I was somewhat aware of that Sega series(I thought it was called Sega Ages), but from what I hear it's not all that great.

[Yoh Asakura]

ROFL GAMECUBE ONLY HAS KIDDIE GAMES LOL

Gotta love when people actually try and use that as a valid arguement.

[PNT510]

Gotta love when people actually try and use that as a valid arguement.

I know, isn't it great.

[Yoh Asakura]

I know, isn't it great.

That it is. It's find it more amusing when the whole "Cell Shading is kiddy" quote is thrown up hehe.

[Heald]

That it is. It's find it more amusing when the whole "Cell Shading is kiddy" quote is thrown up hehe.

Cel-Shading isn't kiddy but it should be used when appropriate. XIII looked really good with cel-shading, as did Viewtiful Joe. However, I really did hate the cel-shading in Zelda. It just looked utterly crap. I really did prefer the, well, decent graphics version they showed at the Zelda demo for the Gamecube (you know, the one with Adult Link and Ganondorf duking it out). This is my opinion and I won't try to put it across as fact. So please don't flame me saying I'm wrong because you cannot call opinion wrong.

*HealdPK used BARRIER*

"He is now resistant to Nintendo fanboy attacks!"

[PhatZapdos]

i agree with you on the zelda...im glad their going back tho......

[Gengachu]

I didn't particularly like that Space World demo. People act like it was the greatest thing they ever saw, but IMO, it wasn't anything special. Plus Link looked like a chick, which is not good for an action/adventure hero. I don't problem with the cel shaded graphics of Wind Waker and the new Zelda looks really good.

[PNT510]

I almost want to not buy the new zelda because it's not cel shaded.

[Heald]

or...



?

And as for action/adventure, the top picture looks a lot more like action/adventure than the bottom.

[PNT510]

The top one looks more fighting game.

[Yoh Asakura]

Damn, that's such a hard decision to make.

I didn't like Wind Waker, at all. I found it far too easy to complete and the note changes of when you attacked just, well pissed me off in the end. I felt it was a downgrade to Ocarina Of Time. But that's my opinion =]

PSP will sell well because the ignorant will probably think "OMG Playstation Portable!! PS2 THAT YOU CAN CARRY AROUND!!"