Shiny Miracle

[VanirElf]

2 weeks ago after I'd started breeding my pokemon for moves to battle and such

I was super lucky and I hatched a shiny female Skarmory

it's currently my pride and joy, I don't intend on raising her sicne she got a crap nature

I just think it's the most awsome thing since shiny pokemon were invented.

as least as far as my pokemon experience goes and anyway, the point of the post is well

I was wondering if anyone else has ever hatched a shiny pokemon egg

[mr_pikachu]

Nope. It's pretty cool that you got one, especially since (if I remember correctly) Skarmory take a long time to hatch.

I've actually never even seen a shiny other than the red Gyarados from GSC. Other than browsing Pokedexes on the internet, that is. So I've certainly never owned one.

[Crufidal]

Congratulations and Mazeltov! That's totally awesome that you got a shiny, from an egg even!

Natures don't matter as much as IV's do -- have you used your local IV calculator to see how good it actually is, or compared it with some other baby Skarmories? You could also use it as a contest Pokemon, or try to win as many medals for it as possible.

I have a question - when it hatched from the egg, did it show it shiny then? Or did you have to visit the status page to find out it was shiny? Oh, and did it sparkle when it hatched, too? Thanks a lot

[VanirElf]

actually lol no I haven't used my pokemon reader thing to check it's ev's ...I should

that contest thing is actually a very good idea I'll probably go for that since I don't do them much

thanks a lot for the tip.

As to you question about when it hatched, it didn't sparkle like shiny pokemon do when they appear

but I did noticed that the part where it's wings are usually red on skarmory were green instead, actually it might have sparkled

I was hatching lots of pokemon that day and when I saw the green in the wings I just figured that they changed

skarmory's color slightly for everald version.

you see when I went to breed them I didn't actually bother to check the pokemon, except to see that one was male

and another female.

ooh, if any of you know how IV"s are involved in breeding or where I can read up on this

could you tell me where or explain it to me please, I've just recently gotten a pokemon reader thing

that lets me actually see my pokemon's IV"s and hidden power and such so I wanna breed for GOOD IV's

if that's actually possible, so some help would be majorly appreciated.

[Poryhedron]

Breeding IVs: A baby pokémon hatching from an egg will inherit three of its IVs from its parents. The other three are random. Also random is which IVs you inherit, and from who; one baby might get its mother's Attack and its father's Speed and Special Defense, while another might get its mother's Special Attack and Special Defense and its father's HP. In Ruby/Sapphire, there was a chance that a baby might randomly inherit the same stat from both parents, so it would actually only inherit two and the other four were totally random. This was fixed for Emerald, though; you'll always be sure an Emerald Version baby got three of its IVs from a parent.
What does this mean? It means pokémon with good IVs are more likely to produce babies with good IVs, but it's no sure thing. It takes talent, patience and practice to breed your way to a maximum-IV pokémon. Good luck!

[Jeff]

To answer your question about hatching shinies, yes, I hated a shiny Tyrougue on Crystal from the egg the day care couple gave me, so I guess that doesn't count . Other than that, the only shiny I've owned was the Red Gyarados.

[Rapamon2]

ok, I'm new at pokemon and all, so what are IV's? also, find out what pokemon you put in daycare to get your masterpeice skamory!! Take test and find out what 2 grew lv

[rinku]

IV = Individual Value

It refers to the hidden value for a stat that varies from 0 to 31 and is used in determining a pokémon's current stat. It's what makes one pokémon of the same type and nature a little bit different from others of the same type and nature.

Pokémon stats derive from several different values (some hidden, some open, some fixed):

Base Value - determined by species (i.e Pikachu, Blastoise). Same for every one of that kind. Technically a hidden value, but these values are known and you can find lists of them online.
Individual Value - randomly set when generated, or inherited from a parent.
Level - Higher the level, better the stat.
Nature - i.e. "Adamant", "Modest". 10% bonus to one stat, 10% penalty to one stat.
Effort Value - gained by training. Basically, fight lots of pokémon and impove your stat that the defeated pokémon were strong in. Effort is a complicated subject for a beginner; there are plenty of threads on this forum that discuss it, and there should be something in the FAQ thread.

A formula is used by the game to convert the above factors into a current stat. If you know all of the other factors it is possible to reverse engineer the value of an unknown one. Usually this would be the IV, if you know how much effort has been earned (especially if none has been earned yet). Rare Candies are handy for deriving hidden values as they raise level without earning effort (and you can always save, use the candies and then restart to avoid wasting them).

[Charizard04621]

Hatching shinies in the Advance generation is way more difficult than hatching shinies in the Metallics versions; if your shinies hatched in Metallics, they don't count.

It's amazing that you hatched some in RuSa. All I have to say is, wow. I'm very lucky with shinies in general, though. Ran into a wild Marill, Wailmer, and Voltorb for RuSa. Super awesomeness. ^_^; For GSC my natural shinies were a Pidgey, Togepi, Graveler, and Tentacool. I also force-hatched a Charmander and a Pichu, but those don't really count since I was trying to get them.

[SoulflameNinetales]

i'm quite unlucky when it comes to shinies. On all versions i've only ever found 6 shinies (not counting Red Garaydos) and I don't have any... It burns me up sometimes, since every time i managed to catch one, something mysterious happens to my luck and i lose the shiny anyway.

But thats me...I don't really get excited over shinies, i just consider them a rare bonus. There just so hard to get.

[andyizcool]

The only time I personally found a Shiny Pokemon was on Pokemon Silver when I was acting like a noob long ago. Now on the Advanced Pokemon games I've had no luck at all with finding Shiny Pokemon. However a bunch of kids who act nooby always end up with 5+ Shiny Pokemon. I think I'm beginning to see a pattern.

[Rapamon2]

What do you do? In any of my games(i have yellow gold crystal ruby saphire) ive never found 1 shiny!(excluding garados of course) How do u guys do it?!!!

[mr_pikachu]

I seem to recall one of Water Pokemon Master's old sigs claiming he had maxed out the timer on his Ruby/Sapphire game (I don't remember which game it was). That is, he played for over 999 hours and 59 minutes.

That should tell you all you need to know.

[rinku]

The only way of increasing your chance of seeing a shiny is to increase your rate of encounters. Use White Flute and pokémon with encounter increasing abilities, and ride the Mach Bike in high encounter rate grass. Running away increases your encounter turnover marginally.

Sweet Scent is of use if you are trying to get a shiny in one of the low encounter rate areas.

Chances of a shiny are roughly 1 in 8000, so if you spend about an hour a day doing nothing but speed-encounters, you should see one every few months.

[P0RYG0N]

I seem to recall one of Water Pokemon Master's old sigs claiming he had maxed out the timer on his Ruby/Sapphire game (I don't remember which game it was). That is, he played for over 999 hours and 59 minutes.

That should tell you all you need to know.

I believe you're thinking of Animelee.

I am also a member of the no-shiny club. 210 hours in sapphire would seem like enough time, but it's certainly not...

[Charizard04621]

Heh heh, *guilty* Granted, I actually found shinies while I was doing something else, like trying to complete the 'dex, or raising a pokémon to LV100, but er, my game time on Gold is 700 hours x_X On Red I can't tell because I restarted so many times, and my Ruby version I quit playing when I encountered that stupid time bug that stops all your berries =P I was way too lazy to do any of the "fix" alternatives. Yeah. I used to spend too much time on pokémon. ^_^

[Piff man]

2 weeks ago after I'd started breeding my pokemon for moves to battle and such

I was super lucky and I hatched a shiny female Skarmory

it's currently my pride and joy, I don't intend on raising her sicne she got a crap nature

I just think it's the most awsome thing since shiny pokemon were invented.

as least as far as my pokemon experience goes and anyway, the point of the post is well

I was wondering if anyone else has ever hatched a shiny pokemon egg

that's cool! I heard you can make any level 5 pokemon of your choice, but you must have it. just give it in to the daycare center with a ditto and it'll make an egg, then hatch it. :biggrin:

[mr_pikachu]

Actually, that's not entirely true. Some Pokemon cannot yield an egg, no matter what other Pokemon you leave it with. This includes the legendaries, "baby" Pokemon (I believe), and a few assorted others.

And besides, hatching a shiny is a lot more difficult than just hatching a regular Pokemon.

[rinku]

Hmmm....

Just wondering if the Everstone breeding feature in Emerald might increase the chance of a shiny baby for a female shiny? Depends on exactly how it works for increasing the chances of a duplicate personality. If it actually clones her hidden ID value, it should work.

I have a female shiny wingull that I can test this on... Let you know how it comes out...

[Piff man]

I had a shiny tailow and a shiny doduo on my sapphire version.

[rinku]

Tested out the Everstone idea and it doesn't seem to have any effect. Out of about 10 babies I did get three that had the same nature as their mother, but none were shiny and two were boys, so whatever process they are using to increase similar nature, it's *not* a simple clone of the hidden value.

That's not to say you may not have some increase in shiny occurance - but if it were even double normal chance (1 in 4000) you would not notice it in practice. Even a tenfold increase would require hundreds of hatchings before you'd expect a result.

I now have 5!! shinies - cought my first Emerald one (a Sableye) the other day. Saw a shiny Gorebyss in battle tower yesterday as well - must be Shiny Week!

All up I've seen 6 shinies in the wild (failed to catch a shiny Makuhita when it used Whirlwind) and 4 or 5 in Battle Tower type situations (though that includes the fixed ones in Leaf Green). That's in two and a half years of pretty contant play on various versions.

[Charizard04621]

Saw a shiny Gorebyss in battle tower yesterday as well - must be Shiny Week!

Wait, you didn't catch that one, though, right? We can't catch shinies in the BT, can we? Which Battle Tower are you talking about, btw?

Hmm I've seen... A lot of shinies besides Egg shinies, all but one of which I did not catch (and that was in Pokémon Stadium 2, that awesome pink Butterfree).

As for Makuhita/Aron etc., that's why I keep my Master Ball instead of using it on annoying legendaries (OMG @ Latios and Rayquaza) - afraid I'll lose a shiny. That is, if you had access to the Master Ball, though. My biggest fear is what happened to some very unfortunate person a while back, the shiny that appears when you don't have pokéballs (first Poochyena, anyone?) ><

[rinku]

No, the ones we see in any trainer battle are there just for looks, unfortunately.

I've seen them in Sapphire Battle Tower, Leaf Green Trainer Tower and Emerald Battle Tower (single mode).

I also keep my Master Ball for such occasions... but I got so excited about it that I clean forgot that Makuhita have whirlwind!!. I carefully switched in my "capture" pokémon (something with False Swipe I think)... and lost it. Now, whenever I train on Victory Road, I make sure I'm packing a pokémon with Suction Cups

[andyizcool]

I've seen them in Sapphire Battle Tower, Leaf Green Trainer Tower and Emerald Battle Tower (single mode).

Remember the Shiny Pokemon in the Pokemon FR/LG Trainer Tower are certain Pokemon picked to be Shiny by default.

[Charizard04621]

Lol! Ouch, that really sucks ><

Too bad Lileep has - really - impossibly terrible capture moves. Confuse Ray is so risky... Sandstorm, Ingrain ><

Btw another random thing to note when you're False Swiping, be sure the pokémon isn't Struggle-prone, and doesn't have some move that'll confuse it or generate recoil... It's not a legendary, but I've lost Lugia to Struggle before after 99 Ultra Balls, 99 special balls (forgot what they were), and another 54 something elses. >< Yeah, after that I made sure I used Flash though Rayquaza still insisted on committing suicide about three times =/

[mr_pikachu]

Two things:

1. Andy, what exactly do you mean by the Pokemon in the FRLG Trainer Tower being shinies? Were there some that just happened to be shiny, or are they all shiny?

2. Karin, how the hell did you not get Lugia after False Swiping with 99 Ultra Balls?


EDIT: Accidentally said I had three things to mention when there were only two.

[andyizcool]

1. Andy, what exactly do you mean by the Pokemon in the FRLG Trainer Tower being shinies? Were there some that just happened to be shiny, or are they all shiny?

Certain Pokemon in the Pokemon FR/LG Trainer Tower are Shiny. Not all of them but one or two Pokemon in every Group like Single Battle/Double Battle/Mixed Battle. Some websites will tell you what Pokemon exactly like I remember a Shiny Espeon in one of those Groups.

[Poryhedron]

2. Karin, how the hell did you not get Lugia after False Swiping with 99 Ultra Balls?

Random chance can be awfully funny sometimes. For example, if there's a 3/4 chance something will happen, like Sleep Powder working, you'd think it has to happen at least a few times in ten tries...but if you do the math right, you'll find there's still almost a 1/1,000,000 chance that it won't happen at all after ten tries. There is quite a bit less than a 3/4 chance that an Ultra Ball will hold a 1-HP Lugia, so while you'll probably get it in less than 100 Ultra Balls, there's no guarantee you will.

[mr_pikachu]

Okay, let's assume that it's a 50/50 chance, then. It'd still be 1 in 2^99 probability of occuring, so... let's see...

O_O

Whoa. Karin, if it's 50/50 chance, you are the unluckiest person in the world. Because the odds of that happening are 1 in 633825300114114700748351602688. To simplify that, it'd happen, on average, approximately one out of every (6.338 x 10^29) times.

I could get a more accurate estimate with a more accurate probability for one Ultra Ball.

[Charizard04621]

Legendaries are a bitch to me =/ It was not only False Swiped, it was SPORED most of the time. And I not only went through 99 Ultra Balls, I went through 99 (fast? level? forgot all the types) balls and a bunch of others too. ($&!@&$(!@$&!$&$)&))!@$)@*!$

Yeah, capturing legendaries for me was like, an hour or more ordeal each. I'm not even going to talk about the legendary dogs or Latios. RBY is the easiest to capture in, GSC and RuSa got mean. In RBY if you Paralyzed a bird you'd start missing, but the instant your ball hits the bird you're probably going to capture it. Those took only maybe 50 balls. =/

And I don't think it's a 50/50 chance, I'd place it at 1/10 or less. With the introduction of False Swipe Parasect, game producers must've decided to torture us in other ways.

Oh, and considering that "randomizing" is not really "random" and depends on complex algorithms that calculate your "random" outcome, the game can do whatever it feels like to you. >< Such as make your Psychic attack miss when you're about to win, and make you lose instead =P But I'm not complaining about that one, that was somebody's Exeggutor against my Nidoking. XD

Back when we didn't know anything about pokémon, I watched my brother and cousin play Hypnosis wars with Gengars... Brother's Gengar always hit with Hypnosis but cousin's Gengar woke up instantly, and cousin's Gengar always missed with Hypnosis. (LMAO @ dependence on Dream Eater) After about an 8-time repeat of events, they decided to just move on. =P

[mr_pikachu]

Very well, then. Let's assume that the Ultra Ball's odds are indeed 1/10 under that scenario. You'd still miss with 99 Ultra Balls about 1 out of every 33,884 chances. And that's not even thinking about all the other Balls you used, or about the increased chances due to Spore.

Methinks my point still stands.


P.S. And don't you just hate battles between newbies? That's how they always seem to go. Either that, or they're throwing legendaries at each other like there's no tomorrow.

[Charizard04621]

Especially Lugia -_- Bad at doing damage and bad at freaking dying. Why can't they just use Mewtwo...

[SoulflameNinetales]

Its funny, but I do believe that in some circumstances a Great Ball can be better at catching some pokemon than others. Often when I can't catch one with a Ultra Ball, a Great Ball does the job. I wonder why? I remember chew thought 25 Ultra Balls, trying to catch Suicune in Crystal to no effect, yet I caught it with the first Great Ball I used. It hasn't been an isolated incident either...I have come accross exactly two times where similar things have happened has happened, once when trying to catch Zapdos in my Blue Version and another when going for Groudon in my Ruby Version. Odd ain't it?

[rinku]

Too bad Lileep has - really - impossibly terrible capture moves. Confuse Ray is so risky... Sandstorm, Ingrain ><

Yeah. Though Astonish isn't too bad for a weak attack, and Ancientpower is fine for a medium power one. Constrict also doesn't have much chance of KOing anything quickly.

Octillery can, however, learn Thunder Wave as an Egg or Move Tutor move.

But, you pretty much expect to just use a bunch of balls.

[Charizard04621]

Yeah... Didn't know you could get Octillery without FRLG, though (I don't have it). As long as you keep yourself well-stocked, you're gonna be fine. Oh, and with potions as well, in case you're running into a high level thing and it's doing enough damage that you can't just throw 50 balls at it. In which case Cradily would probably be a better capture choice anyway... though if it's too high of a level, you're going to have to throw stuff at a fresh pokémon. Well, actually, you could use Sandstorm once on a non-resistant type, or twice if the first round lasts only two turns.

SoulflameNinetales - I've had that happen, too. It's a coincidence. Randomizers are whimsical, so if you change stuff when they're stuck on a certain value they're likely to change. I've had my TI-89 randomize out of 10 the same number 6 times or so in a row, so I decided to make it do something else first and then it got better.

[rinku]

As it happened, my Octillery is a FRLG one, but you can catch Remoraid in the Emerald Safari Zone once you beat the Elite 4 and they open the expansion area.

In regard to the catch rate of Lugia... according to the formula at Bulbapedia, it's:

floor(((Total HP *4) - (Current HP * 2)) * Catch Rate / Total HP) + Status Mod +1

Catch rate for Lugia is 3, status mod is 10 if asleep, 5 if paralyzed, poisoned or burned, 0 otherwise. Ultra Balls double the catch rate. The resultant number is the chance out of 255 of a catch.

A wild L70 Lugia is going to have about 238 HP, so if it was reduced to 1 HP, its base catch rate with Ultra Balls would be 24/255, or 9.41%. If it's paralyzed this rises to 13.33%, if asleep to 17.25%

[Charizard04621]

Ha, I was right, below 10%. I know this is impractical, but would the rate rise above Sleep if Lugia is frozen?

[rinku]

Heh, Frozen is the same as Sleep. I forgot to say that.

[mr_pikachu]

Ah, I knew I was right in thinking that sleep was a superior status condition in regards to capturing than paralysis was!

And Karin, this slight percentage does change the odds significantly. Now your scenario will occur in approximately 1 out of 17,778 chances.

...

And that's still not counting all the time that Lugia spent in dreamland. Or the mass quantities of other Balls that you threw. So yeah, it's not that significant of a change.

rinku, do the odds change if a Pokemon is under another hindering effect, such as Disable? And can other moves, like possibly Double Team, increase its odds of escape? It's something I've been curious about for awhile, so I was wondering if that kind of thing could factor into a capture probability formula like the one you mentioned.

[rinku]

To be honest, I don't know. That capture formula has been around for years - it definitely dates to GSC. I'd trust it because it used to be on Meowth486's site. It's entirely plausible that the current capture formula has been tweaked - but you'd pretty much have to examine the code to be sure. The data on Bulbapedia does seem to be pretty reliable and up to date though. They even have the correct current experience point progression (and as I suspected, the games don't actually crunch numbers to generate required XP but just use a look-up table, making the discontinuous functions not so complex for the game after all).