Let me make sure I've got this right Zero. Just because some of us feel we have a right to self-defense in regards to the rapist you automaticly try to turn it around and spew out your Micheal Moore logic by claiming we're a bunch of beer drinking, murderous redneck Neo Nazi's? Nothing your saying even seems to make any sense anymore Z. Here's a situation for you in regards to the whole rape/self defense thing. And please excuse my language before we get going.

Your walking home late one night from an AI rally, some kind of Hiliary for prez thing.....
*shudders at the thought*
Anyway as your walking a guy that's 6 foot 5 grabs you and drags you into the alley. There are no witnesses and no one is around to help. He beats you to a pulp and then while your down pulls out a .357 magnium and puts it up to your head. From there he rips off your pants and proceeds to fuck you up the ass. When he's done you've got enough time to see his finger starting to pull the trigger. Granted your welcome to your beliefs. However do you mean to tell me you would stick with them and not fight back at any point despite the fact that he just beat you within an inch of your life, made you his prison bitch and is now about to forcibly remove your brain from your head by putting a hole in your head so large that you'll need to IDed by your fingerprints?

If you answer yes to any of the above in that situation and say you would not fight for your life no matter what then personally I think you trying to win this whole "killing Saddam was WRONG!" debate is going to be the least of your problems in life. If you show people your a doormat they will walk all over you. Just keep those things in mind.