Ampharos

[Blademaster]

Yeah, but see my gripe is that Thunder Wave just slows the opponent down a bit - it doesn't lower their Speed to zero. So even with it, Thunder Wave won't give Ampharos a first-hit bonus. So what's the point?

[Cheesey]

Yeah, but see my gripe is that Thunder Wave just slows the opponent down a bit - it doesn't lower their Speed to zero. So even with it, Thunder Wave won't give Ampharos a first-hit bonus. So what's the point?

Doesn't paralysis halve their speed? There are a lot of pokemon who'll suffer from that given that speed isn't one of their higher stats, so that's still pretty significant. And plus there's however much of a chance that they'll be fully paralyzed each turn. Combined with a Quick Claw, it could still prove pretty useful for a slow pokemon like Ampharos.