Super Smash Bros. Brawl (spoilers inside!)

[AdventureSerum]

O.O POKEMON TRAINER!!!!!!!!!!!!! So long, Zelda/Sheik, I have a new favorite!

[Phoenixsong]

Ike does NOT suck. He's the only one of the FE lords that's not a boring stuffed-shirt. There's no fricking difference between Eliwood and Ephraim except choice of weapon. Although a change in weaponry would still be nice.

Along with playable Blaziken, a playable Charizard and a playable trainer have long been on my list of wants. Never did I dream of doing it this way, though... it's frickin' AWESOME. No, really, it is. Now I just want to know if Charizard can fly and I want to see Ivysaur pick up a gun and shoot someone. Seriously. Don't tell me you don't think that'd be effin' awesome.

I don't WANT Ruby/Brendan/whothehellever. If he can "change clothes", why not make a female character playable? You can switch between Nana and Popo... why not? Sexists...

EDIT: Oh, yeah, and in case anyone hasn't noticed from these latest and I believe a few older screenshots, there's definitive proof that Kanto Stadium--or something akin to it, and I don't see why it wouldn't be Kanto seeing as its the FRLG trainer--makes a comeback. Fwee.

[Chris 2.1]

This is awesome news! I wonder if they will have another character of this style? Like perhaps another Pokemon Trainer or maybe even a cycle between Zora Goron and Deku Shrub Link?!

[Magi of all]

All I can say is this

Best look for Charizard ever. No other game has gotten it right(maybe battle rev, haven't played so wouldn't know). In the stadiums, Colosseum and XD Charizard looked stiff and boring, now he looks deadly. Same with Squirtle and Ivysaur.

[Ultimate Charizard]

All I can say is this

Best look for Charizard ever. No other game has gotten it right(maybe battle rev, haven't played so wouldn't know). In the stadiums, Colosseum and XD Charizard looked stiff and boring, now he looks deadly. Same with Squirtle and Ivysaur.

Agreed.
One of the things that always bugs me is when they make Charizard fat or stiff looking.
Long range fire attacks, wings, and decent CC strength. I think they had to include the switch out thing as Charizards Weakness lol.

[Starry Might]

Okay, since there's so much I could comment on, I'll just comment on the playable characters:

Ike: At first, I was like "Who's Ike?"...until I scrolled down and saw that it was actually the guy from "Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance"! Unfortunately, I have a feeling that his presence DOES (among other reasons), indeed, lower Marth and Roy's chances of coming back...and since I loved Marth, this makes me rather unhappy. Oh, well.

(That said, many people on other forums still think Marth still has a good chance of coming back for various - and good - reasons, but I'm personally not gonna get my hopes up too much.)

Pokemon Trainer: Whoa, the "FireRed/LeafGreen" boy and the three Kanto starters (in various stages of evolution)?! This guy DEFINITELY wins the award for "Most Unexpected Addition to the Roster"!

At first, I was like "What?", but then I realized that this kind of character will actually be really cool!

As for alternate costumes, here's my idea for them:

Default: "FR/LG" Boy; regular-colored Ivysaur, Charizard, and Squirtle.
Second: "FR/LG" Girl; regular-colored Ivysaur, Charizard, and Squirtle.
Third: "FR/LG" Boy with palette-swapped clothes (blue cap, blue jacket and blue stuff on shoes; red pants); shiny Ivysaur, Charizard, and Squirtle.
Fourth: "FR/LG" Girl with palette-swapped clothes (blue trim on hat, blue skirt and blue stuff on shoes; red top and red socks); shiny Ivysaur, Charizard, and Squirtle.

Peach: Not exactly surprising that she's back (since she was in that one Subspace Emissary screenshot), but I'm glad she's been officially confirmed anyway, since she was one of my main characters in "Melee". Her dress looks really frilly and neat!

Now that's out of the way, I may as well comment on one more thing: Judging from today's update (Link's moves), it looks like they may update certain attacks on the veteran characters (for example, his Boomerang is now the Gale Boomerang from "Twilight Princess").

[Ghost]

Woohoo, the newest annouced character is Diddy Kong -_-

Not to diss Diddy Kong or anything, but come on! Annouce Sonic and Tails already! Or show some new screens of Snake...

[Jeff]

Woohoo, Diddy Kong! Can anyone say fan service? Diddy's been one of the most requested characters out there.

As for Sonic, although he's likely to be in the game, I don't think they'll announce him until just before the games releases. Sonic is the most-requested third party character, so announcing him would be the big announcement, and everything after that wouldn't be as exiting. So obviously the best way to build up hype before the game releases is to make the big announcement.

[Andrew]

I'm actually really happy Diddy's in. I'm hoping Dixie Kong will also be in there too now.

A monkey WITH A GUN! BEST IDEA EVA!11

[AdventureSerum]

Diddy Kong... Or Pokemon Trainer... Diddy Kong... Pokemon Trainer... Diddy Kong... Pokemon... IT'S TOO MUCH TO HANDLE!

[Phoenixsong]

I see Diddy,
Yes it's Diddy,
I feel giddy, for Diddy is heeeeeere...

Excuse my bad singing. But yes. Diddy. Teh pwnsomeage, kthxbai.

Yeah... IIRC, Diddy, Ike and Wario were pretty much the three most requested Ninty-chars. Y'wanna know what makes me feel REAL special, though? Felix from Golden Sun/Golden Sun: The Lost Age is also a hugely popular choice. This boosts my confidence that me darlin' Venus Adept will put in an appearance... or, at least, someone from the GS crew. And, since Sonic characters won't be revealed until the end if at all (and wtf is taking so long with Snake? EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS HE'S IN), they can satisfy everyone's third-party needs by adding Kratos or Zelos or Lloyd or Sheena or Genis or someone else from Tales of Symphonia. SERIOUSLY. Especially now that there's a Wii sequel coming out. Because Kratos could seriously pwn the shit out of them all.

Oh, and the Primid-subspace-thingummies... yeah. I don't really play Kingdom Hearts much, but... uh... is anyone else forcefully reminded of the Heartless?

[Jeff]

Wow, Yoshi's final smash, just wow. The geek inside me is shrieking with joy. Wings and fireballs! All that's missing is the ability to pound the ground just by landing.

[AdventureSerum]

You know what would be cool? Is if they made a level based on the first level of the original Donkey Kong.

[Andrew]

Yoshi's Final Smash is the essence of Yoshi - A hodgepodge of awkwardness.

Also, I am wanting K. Rool's Ship to be Diddy's Battleground. Best level eva.

[AdventureSerum]

You know who would be a really cool but highly unlikely hidden bonus character? Sephiroth.

[Andrew]

No.

Just no...

They're coming out with a dedicated FF brawler anyway.

Go go GAU!

[Blademaster]

You know who would be a really cool but highly unlikely hidden bonus character? Sephiroth.

[Magi of all]

Blademaster, are you for or against this?

Any one else find it odd that Meta Kinght has not been officially announced on the site, but seems to be in everything? maybe he's a joke character. i can see it now

Nintendo: You thought we were going to put Meta-Kinght in Brawl? HEHE, stupid fools. were nintendo. We decide who lives and who dies. Guess what? META KNIGHT DIES

[Blademaster]

For Sephiroth?

[Phoenixsong]

Ehe... ehehe.... silly Charizard bash face on rocks. "Charizard, Self-induced Concussion Attack!"

[Number1ChanseyFan]

they can satisfy everyone's third-party needs by adding Kratos or Zelos or Lloyd or Sheena or Genis or someone else from Tales of Symphonia. SERIOUSLY. Especially now that there's a Wii sequel coming out. Because Kratos could seriously pwn the shit out of them all.

Yeah, somebody from the Tales series would be pretty cool in this game, Arche from Phantasia would prolly be pretty good too. I really hope they bring back Jigglypuff though. (don't laugh!!) Jiggly always was my very best character.

[Phoenixsong]

My brother and cousins tremble in fear whenever I bust out the 'Puff. Why does everyone hate it so much? I loves meh Jiggleh, I does. The dislike of Pichu is understandable (I like him, too, btw), but Jiggly...?

Arche, hm? I would think more along the lines of Cress, as he's the main character (and doesn't use swords all the time, which I think would make people happy), or Klaus, as he's probably the most popular Phantasia character. Smacking people with books and dive-bombing moles DOES have its appeal, after all. Arche would be fun, granted, but she presents the same "awkwardness" problem that Lloyd does (what with him apparently unable to hold items). How would they make the broom work? It just wouldn't feel like Arche if she was walking... on the other hand, swinging a broom around an SSB stage sounds hilarious. Ah dunno.

[Number1ChanseyFan]

Yep, the Puff is tuff, no doubt about that!! ^_^ I scared a lot of people off with the Puff too!! I would be lost without the Puff, that was the only character that I was really great with.

Hmm, yeah, Arche would be a little awkward, because she would have to fly... but how would that work. Still, it would be fun!! As for items, perhaps she could carry them with her Tractor Beam spell?

Another interesting character would be Suzu... With her shurikens and swords and teleporting techniques, as well as mirror imaging and stealing, plus her Jiraiya summoning toad could be pretty cool too.

[AdventureSerum]

I hope Waluigi is a new character!

[Greyfox]

I hope he isn't.

I wouldn't mind a Tales of... character being added to the ensemble, especially if they're from Symphonia. If you've played the game, then you'll know that the battle system is near-identical to the Smash Bros. style. Personally, as much as I like Lloyd, I don't think I'd want to see him here -- after all, there's already a lot of sword fighters in the game. Presea, Sheena, or Regal would be more original to me.

That said, Kratos, Lloyd, Regal, and Zelos would be perfect candidates since their fighting styles translate well with Smash; notwithstanding, they all have the necessary techniques to work in Smash.

Lloyd:
B -- Demon Fang
Up B -- Tempest
Down B -- Sword Rain
Smash B - Beast

His standard attacks would be very similar to his standard attacks in Symphonia.

-Grey

[Heald]

Waluigi is the greatest Mario creation ever. Hell, for some reason, he was the best player in Mario Strikers Charged. Waluigi is a frickin' God.

[AdventureSerum]

I certainly like him more than Wario.

[Andrew]

Name 3 useful things Waluigi has ever done through his career as a Nintento Auxillery Character used to pad out numbers in the party games?

[Heald]

He hasn't, and probably never will. That is the beauty of him - he is pointless and only there to give Wario a partner in crime, if you will. Hell, at least Wario sort of works, since W is M upside-down, Waru means evil in Japan so at least Wario as a name and a character works as an evil Mario, but Waluigi? The name doesn't work, the character doesn't work, in fact, it just doesn't make sense. But as soon as I laid my eyes on him in his first appearance, on Mario Tennis 64, I was like, "Judas Rocking Priest, what the hell has Nintendo done now," when I saw this purple monstrosity dancing around.

Waluigi is a fringe character, however, as his appearances in Mario Strikers Charged and Mario Kart Double Dash have proven, he is given awesome powers and abilities in the games, with the main characters such as Mario and Bowser given absolutely rubbish abilities. If he were put in a game with real video game characters such as Solid Snake, Mario and Link, Waluigi would probably be the best character by far.

[Chris 2.1]

Yea its weird how Mario's never like the best character in games he's always just the 'meh' one. Also didn't they make Toadette for the same purpose? Although she's appeared in Mario games (Paper Mario 2) whereas Waluigi is seemingly multiplayer fodder.

[The Blue Avenger]

Concerning Waluigi, I'd like him to be in the game if only for his inevitable taunt.

[AdventureSerum]

I just like how generally creepy Waluigi is.

[Phoenixsong]

Lol, Meta Knight.

Umumum, anyway. Waluigi... yeah, he's filler... yeah, he's creepy... he'd be okay, but I'm just not feelin' any Smash vibes coming off of him. Not the same way I'm feelin' the vibes of my awesome suggestion on another forum that Cuccos be an assist trophy. It'd be all "lol you got pwned by chickens, dude". Sweeeeeeet.

And yeah, Grey, Regal would be awesome... but, like Lloyd, he has item issues. How do you hold a massive crate full of explosives when your hands are manacled together? Sheena, Genis and Presea would be my top picks for the non-swordsmen. Seriously, though. Little pink-haired girl with an axe twice the size of Bowser. Fun, much? Or Colette might be okay... and she can fly ("glide", if you want to nitpick) without it being a spoiler, which is a potential problem I can see with some of the other characters. No one seems to like her, though. I understand why, but I don't hate her or anything... I'd be happy if she were in it... plus, one of her Smashes could be tripping, falling and causing a cataclysmic explosion, as she always invariably does. No, seriously.

Hm... Suzu... I'm not far enough in Phantasia to have her in my party yet. Dunno enough about her. Ninjas are always awesome, though.

[Jeff]

Three, count 'em, THREE updates in one day! Ok, so admittedly the last one was a bit of a dud, since we've already heard the main theme before. And at the same time this is coming off of yesterday's double update! So to comment: The CDs sound like a cool idea, they'll undoubtedly have some classic music on them I can't wait to collect (and Sakurai even mentioned that some of the tunes will be the original music rather than an arrangement). The gym music is one of my favorite main themes form pokemon so I'm glad its going to be the music for Poke Stadium 2. And speaking of Pokemon Stadium 2, there were some people speculating that the 4th gen won't have a presence in Brawl, but look at the last screenshot for it, and lo and behold it's the windmills from Valley Windorks (AKA, the Sinnoh Power Plant). So yeah, not absolute confirmation, but still at least a slap in the face to the conspiracy theorists out there.

[Phoenixsong]

4th gen not have a presence? Tell that to the people who are dying for Lucario to be playable.

Or, at least, tell it to Munchlax.

Munchy is the newest Poké Ball Pokémon to be revealed, and he eats items. Check out the last two screenshots, though. See the ugly little Animal Crossing people? They're all smiley in the second to last shot... and then they get all upset when Munchy eats the Lip's Stick (yay, Lip's Stick is back!). That's effing hilarious right there. Hahaha, their little faces...

[AdventureSerum]

What game is Lip's Stick from?

[Phoenixsong]

An old Japan-only game called "Panel de Pon". I don't know much about it. They might have released it on the Wii's virtual console, but if they haven't then they might.

EDIT: Newfish. (So they update early in the morning... that's not a healthy piece of information for me to have.)

ZOMFGLYN. She's not playable, which kinda sucks, but it'd be Sword OD if she were so yeah. Still. LYN.

Also kind of semi-increases the chance of a Marth/Roy return now that Lyn's out of the running for playable FE character. So there's that.

[Jeff]

Panel de Pon is the Japanese name for Tetris Attack, or Pokemon Puzzle Leauge/Challenge as it's known to some pokemon fans. The original Panel de Pon (which featured Lip's Stick) was considered too girly by US standards, so in the US, it was redone with characters from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. That's why we never saw Lip or her stick in the US version.

[Phoenixsong]

Ah, right. I had heard something about Tetris before, now that I think about it.

Anyway, the Special Brawl looks interesting. Some of that you could technically do just by rigging the items in Melee, but this way you can still use regular items AND have Giant Bunny Metal Whatever Brawl. Yay.

[Andrew]

Bad News.

Ice Climbers are back.