Hoothooters! Can I get sum?

[Mew Master]

Lu-Kang Kick? What is this, Fighting Games Ultimate Battle?! We already did that gag.

*flips in spinning towards BM, lands next to him and starts classic Curly Joe Stooge handgestures, disorienting BM*

Muwahahaha!

[Blademaster]

(stops)

Curly... Joe...?

(glares at MM with rage in his eyes)

How DARE you disrespect the Stooges by making reference to that crossbred inbred impostor!? You die for that!!

(takes Denny's Pencil of Reality and impales him through the stomach with it)

Eat *that,* punk!!!

[Mew Master]

*pops like an old balloon*

*walks in from offstage with a bag of fast food and sipping on a drink*

Eh? What'd I miss? .... Oh yeah... *reaches in bag and brings out a pie and chucks it at BM* THAT's for stealing the Pencil that I gave to Rose you!

[DarkestLight]

NEW CHALLENGER!

:ives in, grabs the pie, resorts to hitting BM with a much more potent Fruitcake.::

..::Keeps the Pie::..What, its a good frickin' pie ¬¬

[Mew Master]

Dude... Fruitcakes are like... lethal. O,o...

Wait... we never signed a physical injyury waver when we started this did we? ... Oh well *starts chucking randomly sharp objects randomly, for the randomness.... a pillow, rusty needles, a book.. ect...*

[Pichu Luver]

*holds up her pan while objects bounce off it* I mean really. Is that necessary? *a nail plops into her tea* You gunna be gettin it MM! *puts away pan and grabs pillow thwacking it over his head*

[DarkestLight]

Whoa, River's tea...

:pontaneous! Grabs teacup, flings it at...uhh unwitting bystander:: Tea+ Nail to the FACE!..

And wavier, what waiver? I dun think we're allowed waviers

[Pichu Luver]

*glares at DL while MM gets covered in feathers* Nrrrrr, fine then. *gets out her pan and starts to swipe at DL* *he runs* Come back here you! I want to hear a nice ringing sound of my pan! *chases and thunks MM on her way by*

Dooooooooooong!

Ah lovely sound.

[Phoenixsong]

...Wow. Y'all are crazy, y'know that? If you don't mind my interrupting, I have something kinda important to say, so I'll just grab this here colander to use as a helmet for now... don't want to get a concussion before I finish saying my piece, mm?

Um, yeah. I don't feel like writing this over and over again, so I'll just post it here as opposed to in each individual battle and stuff. If you don't see it, well, um, oops.

To be honest, ASB just... really isn't that interesting to me any longer. It's not as much fun as it used to be. I don't know if it's because everything seems to be moving so slowly (part of which would be my fault, but eh), if it's the fact that I'm all of a sudden too stupid to strategize properly and too lazy to put forth the effort to really try... yeah... and laziness has a lot to do with it, too. Not that this is a huge part of it, but the fact that I can't tell when I have updated matches due to the boards' weird session-thing doesn't help, either. And now... now I have college to deal with. That in and of itself is not an excuse; plenty of you guys manage to remain active in ASB and still do your best in college and all. I know I could if I were willing to try. The thing is that I'm really not all that willing to try any longer. There are just other things I'd rather be doing with my free time.

So, it is with many regrets that I formally withdraw from ASB. I just can't really be bothered to deal with it any longer. As such, refs, please go ahead and declare my opponents in any of my matches the victors. The one thing I will continue to do is ref DS and MoP's match, if only because I've practically sworn on the Koran, the Bible, the Torah, my fancy new cell phone and Chuck Norris that I'd see them through, and also I'm afraid that they'll eat me. And when that's done, well... yeah. No more. That said, I will still take any minuscule amounts of points I might get from my matches. This is because I might decide that I want to come back in the future. I might start over, I dunno, but in the event that I don't want to it'd be nice to have some money and shtuff, seeing as I'm always perpetually broke here.

Um. Yeah. That's more or less it. It's been fun, and you're all great people to bash heads with. I'll see you all around other parts of TPM, I guess. Ciao.

(Oh, and DS and MoP... yes, I am off hiatus for your reffing, technically, but I still don't know when I'll get around to writing it. I can shoot for tonight, maybe tomorrow, we'll see, but I make no immediate promises.)

[darktyranitar]

Ah, quitting ASB? I totally understand that, Phoenix. I mean, I haven't got around on ASB much due to the busy-ness of college... and not to mention the laziness, the time needed to plan for attack, etc. Yeah, it doesn't seem as fun as it used to be...

But I guess I'll still stick around in here, even when I'm not reffing and battling much. I might get around back to reffing, provided that they are not long 6 vs 6 or the likes ^^;;

(plus: I like getting gift on x-mas tree )

[DarkestLight]

O heck naw! ::Run-slip-trip-Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong!

x_x ooo- mmmmaaii--gggg-od

mmmy teeeeth wwwont sststststststoooop ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-chattttttttttterinnnnng.

(Phoenix NO! NOT YOU! I'LL LOSE HOPE IN JESUS IF YOU LEAVE!! No, it's alright man, I still owe you, but I'll pay you back in..other..ways >D! Hopefully you'll stop by and visit ~_o)

[Phoenixsong]

Naw, I'll still "visit", or whatever you might call it... I just don't have the time/motivation to actually ref or battle any more.

...And I still fail to understand what you owe me.

[Vermillion]

Phoenixsong...you'll be back ...they ALWAYS come back. ^_^ Enjoy your freedom from this mistress of pain and slavery...for now Muhahahahahaha! *cough*

[Chris 2.1]

Phoenix its a shame your leaving. I know we don't know each other that well and thats a shame. But if you do come back your bank balance and team is waiting for you.

[DarkestLight]

Phoenix, I'm referring to our first match where Muddy was handling Hypnotiq like a limp noodle >D I owe you an azz whipping >o!

(LOL. No really I just owe you a complete battle day, if you ever come back >p)

[Phoenixsong]

Duuuude. If Verm did EKO's I soooo would have beaten you. But um. You're on! If I ever come back.

You people make it sound like I actually did stuff around here, geez. All I ever did was hold stuff up and forget things. You're making me feel like dirt. Thanks a lot. >>

...Naaaaah.

[Charles Legend]

NEW MONTH!

This month I've gone with the theme of naming it after a member. I like doing this. Charles' Pancake business has boomed and his Pancake House is actually now the size of a Pancake Mansion.

Dragon Trainers like Lance and Claire are working here for low pay; Drake plays the piano on Friday Nights, although his range is weak. Charles sits on a gigantic, golden pancake and squirts syrup at people.

Anywhosit.

Member of the Month is Weasel Overlord! You get a free catch/evolution. I was very glad to get a few votes this month, keep them coming! Who deserves the MOTM prize? Let me know. PS MODS ARE ELIGIBLE (thanks for the vote MM )

Umm so yea. Grand Festival is kicking off now ish. I'm the main man, and instead of the setup last year I'm going to be rating each appeal out of 100. Just because.

Details up today. Maybe?

Random Tourney: whats going on here? Umm everyone make sure to check battles to see if you're needed as a ref/to post attacks. Please let me know if you think we should be stricter DQing people, and If thats the case, it may move smoother. I don't know though. Thoughts?

Also if anyone needs reminder of their team PM me :p

Anyway OPEN!

LOL cool Idea Chris, and congrats Weasel Overlord! Now Dave and DR if you don't settle down I well have my lackies throw you two into the Dungens!

Anyways I am sorry to hear that Phenixsong, but if you do come back I would not mind having a battle with you on my Cheese Planetiod...

Also I err been around the last few days I just been detracted as of late...

now as for banners for now I have a pinball banner, but I may try a few other styles...

~Charles Legend "Foreword the Dragonbreath!"

[Blademaster]

Yeah, yeah, I'll stop when I feel like... Wait...

(thinks)

We already did that gag.

...

*pops like an old balloon*

*walks in from offstage with a bag of fast food and sipping on a drink*

Eh? What'd I miss?

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HEY, WAIT A MINUTE!!!

[Mew Master]

CL: You may have lackies... but I have followers... with powers. Ooooooweeeee ooooooO! *funky hand gestures*

Ow! My head! *coughs up feathers* While Blade's distrated....

*Grabs hand-full of ice and stuffs it down the back of River's shirt, then slyfully switches places with DL so that he gets hit with the backlash again*

Gonna miss ya Pheonixsong... even though I dunna know you that well...

[Pichu Luver]

Sorry to see you go Phoenix (but you will be back . . . *does oogily boogily fingers*), your battle with Saffire was one a enjoyed reffing, to bad it couldn't be finished. ^^ Seeya 'round TPM then I guess. *waves*

As for the battle,

*is greatly pleased about DL's thwackage*

Heheheeee, revenge statisfied.

*ice cubes run down back* Ee God! *spins and sees DL cowering while MM is slinking off*

Eh you! You ever had a snow ball hit you in the back of you neck? Eh? Your gonna have to do worse then ice cubes! *races off after him*

And I got an icon for every occasion don't cha know,



XP

[DarkestLight]

No backlash! Sweet!

::Grabs some pancakes, lathers them up with Axe Shampoo, throws it on Blade's back:: o.o Lets see some Miltank get Blade...

::Opens up the barnyard next door to the Pancake house. Hey-how else you think they got fresh milk::

[Mew Master]

*moving backwards avoiding getting hit, very skillfully.* Actually it was mroe of a hand-full of snow.. and I have big hands... *spins around to get more speed but slams into a stratigically placed support beam*

@-$

[Charles Legend]

That's it *draws a card* I play Charles legend's Training Method...



*looks threw my deck and picks a card and plays it on the field.



And with that I well end my turn...

LOL to bad my Idea of a TPM(L) ASB Trading card Game is a rather stupid...

~Charles Legend "Foreword the Dragonbreath!"

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

To bad seeing you go Phoenix, I didn't knew you that well, but it's always sad to see someone go and to see ASB grow smaller.

Also, Charles. If you used that trainer card right, you could take the Charizard out of your deck into your hand, but you couldn't place in the field, seeing as you needed a Charmeleon first. *cough*

[Chris 2.1]

An electric charizard? 1,000 damage?

For a minute i thought this was real

disclaimer: i did not

[Charles Legend]

To bad seeing you go Phoenix, I didn't knew you that well, but it's always sad to see someone go and to see ASB grow smaller.

Also, Charles. If you used that trainer card right, you could take the Charizard out of your deck into your hand, but you couldn't place in the field, seeing as you needed a Charmeleon first. *cough*

An electric charizard? 1,000 damage?

For a minute i thought this was real

disclaimer: i did not

hello my Training Method just says to play a Pokemon with Char's Legend in it's name from the deck to the field, also king is a Shiny, I just left him the normal color do to the fact that has a dark back ground behind him....

Chris fire/electric are fitting types to show that he a dragon, also lighting and falty wirring can start a fire... also I made it rally as a joke

~Charles Legend "foreword the Dragonbreath!

[Blademaster]

Do NOT disrespect Electric Charizard! Electric Charizard is the God of Pokemon. Not Mew. Not Arceus. Electric Charizard. Nobody f**ks with him. Anyone stupid enough to f**k with him... Electric Charizard will devour their hearts and crap out their souls. They will all taste oblivion, which tastes just like Red Bull... which is disgusting.

In a completely unrelated topic... (punches DL in the crotch)

THAT'S for getting that crap on my good shirt, jerkface!

[Weasel Overlord]

I just have to interject with;

THAT'S for getting that crap on my good shirt, jerkface!

I so thought that said "skirt"... hahaahahaa...

[DarkestLight]

X_X ::Falls. S'alright, Miltank are humping Blade. and what we can only hope is milk is flying everywhere::

[Blademaster]

(drops through ceiling vent)

Actually, if you wanna get technical, it's Moomoo Milk, not milk.

By the way, why's Mew Master unconscious? Again? And why is he wearing my clothes...? And what is he doing... with those... Miltank...?

O.O;;;;;;

OK, Denny, I can respect you having some weird fetishes, but for Ra's sake, man, keep it to yourself!

(goes and sits WAY away from... that... over by the window)

So, uh, in an attempt to bring something with some sort of meaning into the mix, let's talk about something relevant to ASB.

How about yet another question for the refs: How do you handle immunities?

In the world of Pokemon, there's a total of 6 immunities:

Normal Pokemon are immune to Ghost attacks.
Ground Pokemon are immune to Electric attacks.
Flying Pokemon are immune to Ground attacks.
Ghost Pokemon are immune to Normal attacks.
Ghost Pokemon are immune to Fighting attacks.
Dark Pokemon are immune to Psychic attacks.
Steel Pokemon are immune to Poison attacks.

Now, how do we ref these? Most often, I see (and in my earlier days, reffed) the same complete resistances as in the games involved. Yet isn't this supposed to be ANIME Style Battling? Let's take into account a few instances of immunities 'working' in the anime...

Ghosts are immune to Normal attacks... NOT.
In the very first episode, a Nidorino is trying to use a Horn Attack against a Gengar, which the Gengar dodges. Why dodge what can't hurt you? And why would Nidorino's trainer order an attack like that against a Ghost in the first place if it wouldn't work?

Ground Pokemon are immune to Electric attacks... NOT.
I recall seeing Pikachu once fry a Marowak to a crisp with an electrical attack. Unless that Marowak was a total wuss or he was playing possum, that doesn't compute right there.

Flying Pokemon are immune to Ground attacks... NOT.
Less than 10 episodes in, AJ's Sandshrew used what I'm assuming to be Dig to KO both Ash's Pidgeotto AND Butterfree. Wow...

Normal Pokemon are immune to Ghost attacks... NOT.
When Ash's Noctowl faced off against Morty's Haunter and Gengar, their Shadow Ball attacks were frequently used. Would a Gym Leader make this big a screw-up? I doubt it very much...

I could go on and on here... So, after deciding to screw the rules and apply some 'logic,' I thought that maybe immunities were... well... dumb. So, I've stopped reffing them.

How about the rest of you? Do immunities provide full protection? Partial protection? Or have you gone renegade like me? And those of you who have immunities block all damage, how about explaining how, say, an Electivire's Thunderpunch can slam into a puny Swinub and do jack-squat? If you can explain that, please do - I wouldn't mind a total immunity from stuff too. Just hook me up and tell me how to do it.

[DarkestLight]

Good point Blade.

Eww at MM

Anyway. As for me, I ref them like how they should be reffed IMO.

If a Pokemon is immune to damage from the attack, then hell, the attack should fly right through/be absorbed by their bodies. I know that sounds weird, but hell, I believe that if this is anime-and if something dosen't affect you, yer either going to absorb it, or you're gonna run right through it, as it explodes into something behind you.

For the most part, all the immunities mentioned makes sense to me like this

Dark vs Psychic Attacks
Ground vs Electric Attacks

Dark types just happen to be imbued with that frequency Psychic Pokemon don't tune into, and so hitting their body at that wavelength does jack squat. Now..for attacks like Zen Headbutt, the Headbutt would hurt, but the Psychic energy included in the force of the attack would do jack squat, so the attack would be greatly lessened.


That now helps explain the concept behind Electivire punching Swinubs...

Steel vs Poison Attacks.

A bit harder. But lets see. Steel types are mostly impenetrable (F off Lucario >>) and so Poison won't be able to seep in. Except for Twinneedle, cause its needles and needles fit into tiny holes, whatever -.- But for stuff like Poison Jab, its just poison just washes off.

Sludge Bomb really is just like, mass of crap bomb. Might do a lil damage due to force, but the effect of the energy its imbued with is utterly nullified. Like a water balloon. The water dosen't hurt, its the force of the attack really..(..unless you get the prick that puts an icicle in his.)

Flying against Ground attacks

Ash is an idiot. No no he's not. Pidgeot and Butterfree are idiots. They didn't MOVE when AJ's Sandslash came up and ripped new A-holes. S'why Butterfree's dead now. I just ref it as I see it. Usually, you can dodge anything coming after you from the ground. Sometimes, they catch you off guard-and you'll get hit with a Mud-Slap if yer not careful.

Normal Pokemon are immune to Ghost attacks.
Ghost Pokemon are immune to Normal attacks.
Ghost Pokemon are immune to Fighting attacks.

The tough ones to tackle.

I do these a bit differently. I make it so Ghosts have Fighting and Normal attacks fly though them.

Dosen't work the other way around (though I think it should...) tho. But Fighting and Normal Pokemon have the ability to somehow deflect--or ignore the signal of Ghost attacks, and thereby can literally deflect such attacks away.(Swhy you can throw a Shadowball at a Chansey and the Chansey can smack it away behind them like WHAT! YOU CASPER AZZ!!)

[Mew Master]

*walks in from off-stage yet once again* What are you guys talking about... GAH! Who's that?! Why are they dressed like Blade... and who let the Miltank in here?

[Blademaster]

OK, I'm sick of this off-stage crap. Soul Link!

(thin red rope appears and shoots through Denny, then off to God-knows-where)

He'll feel that one pretty soon...

Now, let's talk about these immunities some more.

Dark vs Psychic Attacks
Ground vs Electric Attacks

Dark types just happen to be imbued with that frequency Psychic Pokemon don't tune into, and so hitting their body at that wavelength does jack squat. Now..for attacks like Zen Headbutt, the Headbutt would hurt, but the Psychic energy included in the force of the attack would do jack squat, so the attack would be greatly lessened.


That now helps explain the concept behind Electivire punching Swinubs...

Actually, it doesn't - psionic energy and electrical energy are very different. And I doubt that a furry ice pig's heart and brain can take that level of electricity any better than a normal pig could. Unless pigs have magically become shockproof and nobody told me.

Now, as for the whole 'wrong wavelength' theory, Psychic energy stems from the brain, right? The brain's not a radio. Thoughts can't be blocked out by certain creatures. Psychic energy being unable to lift a Dark Pokemon makes no more sense than a human being unable to lift a Ghost Pokemon. And I've seen that happen in the anime.

Steel vs Poison Attacks.

A bit harder. But lets see. Steel types are mostly impenetrable (F off Lucario >>) and so Poison won't be able to seep in. Except for Twinneedle, cause its needles and needles fit into tiny holes, whatever -.- But for stuff like Poison Jab, its just poison just washes off.

Sludge Bomb really is just like, mass of crap bomb. Might do a lil damage due to force, but the effect of the energy its imbued with is utterly nullified. Like a water balloon. The water dosen't hurt, its the force of the attack really..(..unless you get the prick that puts an icicle in his.)

Not just Lucario: Mawile looks organic to me, too.

Now, as for 'mostly impenetrable' and 'poison washing off,' if that's the only reason the immunity exists, why aren't Rock Pokemon immune to Poison, too? Onix, Geodude, Rhyhorn, Kabuto, Sudowoodo, Solrock, Lunatone, Anorith, Shieldon, all their evolutions... They're all either coated with or made of rock. And yet Poison can hurt them? Sorry, I don't buy it.

Flying against Ground attacks

Ash is an idiot. No no he's not. Pidgeot and Butterfree are idiots. They didn't MOVE when AJ's Sandslash came up and ripped new A-holes. S'why Butterfree's dead now. I just ref it as I see it. Usually, you can dodge anything coming after you from the ground. Sometimes, they catch you off guard-and you'll get hit with a Mud-Slap if yer not careful.

Nobody's disputing that Ash and his Pokemon are, for the most part, idiots. Or that AJ's SandSHREW is probably the most broken non-Gym Leader Pokemon in Kanto. I'll admit, moves like Earthquake and Fissure are probably useless against airborne Pokemon, but yeah, Mud-Slap and the like are pretty different: They're like ground-to-air missiles.

Normal Pokemon are immune to Ghost attacks.
Ghost Pokemon are immune to Normal attacks.
Ghost Pokemon are immune to Fighting attacks.

The tough ones to tackle.

I do these a bit differently. I make it so Ghosts have Fighting and Normal attacks fly though them.

Dosen't work the other way around (though I think it should...) tho. But Fighting and Normal Pokemon have the ability to somehow deflect--or ignore the signal of Ghost attacks, and thereby can literally deflect such attacks away.(Swhy you can throw a Shadowball at a Chansey and the Chansey can smack it away behind them like WHAT! YOU CASPER AZZ!!)

Fighting Pokemon have no resistance to Ghost attacks. Just Normal Pokemon, which makes virtually no sense: Ghost and Dark attacks are, for the most part, based around the same fundamental elemental force: Shadow. Normal Pokemon can't be Astonished? Or have their cells eroded by Shadow Ball/Punch/Sneak/Force? I guess they must not have cells, then...

Now, as for Ghosts being immune to Normal and Fighting attacks because they go right through them... My only complaint with that can be summed up in the form of one question:

Has the anime ever confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt, flat-out and just plain straight come out and said that Ghost Pokemon truly are ghosts?

Well, let's think about this... Gastly and Haunter are, for the most part, made of gas. ...So, what, they're totally immune to any physical damage? Koffing and Weezing are made of gases as well and they can be hit.

Gengar is an 89-pound entity that can hide as a shadow. Aside from that, it is a relatively solid creature that, as I've already said, can be struck by Normal attacks based on keen observation.

Misdreavus is a floating head that shrieks... Scary, maybe, but hardly evidential that it's a spirit.

Sableye is an impish creature that lives in the darkness... How it even got classified as a Ghost, I don't know.

Shuppet and Banette are possessed puppets... Puppets are suddenly unbreakable now?

Duskull is a gaseous creature, but it has a skull. That can take damage from physical blows... Why not punches or slaps or the like?

Dusclops is a mummy with a dense body. There's no way you'll convince me that it can't be struck.

Drifloon and Drifblims are balloons. One word sums up this prospect: 'POP!'.

Spiritomb is, evidently, made of spirits bound to a rock. I very much doubt this is more than a myth, 'cuz I sure as Hell wouldn't screw around with an entity made of 108 fused evil souls that've been trapped in a rock for 5 centuries. And even if it is true, the rock is like a genie's lamp, from what I can see: Damaging it can harm Spiritomb, and destroying it altogether would likely cause the spirits (if that's what they truly are) to pass on, or it would kill Spiritomb altogether.

Dusknoir is basically an Ouija board that evolves from Dusclops. Remember how solid he is? Yeah, well, he grew up a bit. Nothing more.

Froslass is an ice chick, like Jynx. Ice can be struck. 'Nuff said.

Giratina is big and scary, and it looks pretty banged-up and ancient, but otherwise, it doesn't look like a Ghost at all to me.

Bottom line: Ghost Pokemon can eat, drink, sleep, take damage, faint, get sick, and perhaps even die. There's no reason to assume that they are not organic, even if their biological makeup is way different than that of other creatures and even other Pokemon. And since those Shadow attacks Ghosts use attack and erode cells, and Ghosts are weak against Ghost attacks themselves... Well, need I say more...?

[Chris 2.1]

Ok just as a notice regarding the new topic. First off, great idea! Secondly immunities ARE important to ASB so I expect ALL refs to intergrate them. The Anime is often inaccurate but it is not these inaccuracies we base out forum off; we base them off the other more enjoyable aspects of the programme.

I imagine immunities are ignored because they're difficult to portray. Is there a way they could have ghost attacks miss normal types? It's odd.

Anyway you have to remember that the type advantages and immunities were brought in to the GAMES to help balance the types out; it means, as a result, some of them are weird: this is obvious with Blade's point about Rock deserving to be immune to poison.

So just remember, just because it's difficult to explain, it doesn't mean you should neglect it. They are an important factor in battles!

[DarkestLight]

Alright Blade, you forced my hand. Let's get explaining :O!

Actually, it doesn't - psionic energy and electrical energy are very different. And I doubt that a furry ice pig's heart and brain can take that level of electricity any better than a normal pig could. Unless pigs have magically become shockproof and nobody told me.

Now, as for the whole 'wrong wavelength' theory, Psychic energy stems from the brain, right? The brain's not a radio. Thoughts can't be blocked out by certain creatures. Psychic energy being unable to lift a Dark Pokemon makes no more sense than a human being unable to lift a Ghost Pokemon. And I've seen that happen in the anime.

To explain MY reasoning. I'm not saying this is correct. This is how I think about it. SO before someone comes at me all "I DONT BELIEVE IN THAT" I shoot you with my Peanut gun >>

Ground Pokemon have a consistency within their body that allows them to act like natural lightningrods. They can absorb it because their affinity for the ground allows them a immediate discharge of the energy at hand. To give your Electivire vs Swinub example some merit..

Electivire can shoot off a Thunderpunch fairly quickly. When that punch hits the Swinub, that force is going to hurt. The point here is that now we have all this electricity that is for the most part, entering this piggy's system, how the heck can it be immediately discharged?

Because the Pigs skin is for the most part interlaced with a chemical composition that mimics ground-or at least something that has the effect of nullifying electricity. Its not like Rock which is so DENSE that it can't effectively distribute and filter out the electrical current.

Now for the wavelength theory-yes the brain can mimic a radio. How else do you explain the aspect of mental waves(by waves I mean frequencies..) leaving Psychic Pokemon and afflicting others with their invisible powers. There are going to be some Pokemon that oddly enough, don't respond to that wavelength.

Its like that ringtone that only kids can hear. Its there. Kids hear it. Adults can't. The wavelength bypasses them-having nil effect. Same thing(for me) with Dark Pokemon and Psychic attacks.Now lets say you use Psychic to hit a Umbreon-if theres nothing being carried by the psychic, the Umbreon's gonna be hit by air, but unlike a Flying attack, the air isn't focused enough, so it won't hurt. Just a breeze will blow on by.

Not just Lucario: Mawile looks organic to me, too.

Now, as for 'mostly impenetrable' and 'poison washing off,' if that's the only reason the immunity exists, why aren't Rock Pokemon immune to Poison, too? Onix, Geodude, Rhyhorn, Kabuto, Sudowoodo, Solrock, Lunatone, Anorith, Shieldon, all their evolutions... They're all either coated with or made of rock. And yet Poison can hurt them? Sorry, I don't buy it.

Mawile too. I wasn't thinking about that short thing.

As for Rock Pokemon, you name one Rock Pokemon that's completely solid and doesn't have cracks in it. They may all look smooth, but the grooves on their bodies will have cracks. That's how the poison enters.

((I'm not saying it makes sense Blade, I'm just explaining how I think about it so I don't get hung up on things like this. I don't buy alot of it either-especially ANYTHING not being able to be poisoned. If I can get it in your mouth, you're injesting it, and yer getting sick, nuff said LOL.))

[QUOTE-Blademaster; 3435336]
Nobody's disputing that Ash and his Pokemon are, for the most part, idiots. Or that AJ's SandSHREW is probably the most broken non-Gym Leader Pokemon in Kanto. I'll admit, moves like Earthquake and Fissure are probably useless against airborne Pokemon, but yeah, Mud-Slap and the like are pretty different: They're like ground-to-air missiles.
[/QUOTE]

I agree. I just have Pokemon dodge them, and yeah, if yer a Flying Type and you get hit with a Mud-Slap, its gonna hurt. Just like if yer a Gengar who just hit the ground. Earthquake's gonna get you.

Fighting Pokemon have no resistance to Ghost attacks. Just Normal Pokemon, which makes virtually no sense: Ghost and Dark attacks are, for the most part, based around the same fundamental elemental force: Shadow. Normal Pokemon can't be Astonished? Or have their cells eroded by Shadow Ball/Punch/Sneak/Force? I guess they must not have cells, then...

No. I don't think they focus on the cell aspect, rather than the form of energy used. I dunno. You make a good point. I can only speculate that Normal Pokemon give off the anti-energy that Ghost Pokemon utilize-so their cells can fight off the effects of those powers.

Now, as for Ghosts being immune to Normal and Fighting attacks because they go right through them... My only complaint with that can be summed up in the form of one question:

Has the anime ever confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt, flat-out and just plain straight come out and said that Ghost Pokemon truly are ghosts?

Well, let's think about this... Gastly and Haunter are, for the most part, made of gas. ...So, what, they're totally immune to any physical damage? Koffing and Weezing are made of gases as well and they can be hit.

Koffing and Weezing are Poison sacs filled with Gas You can hit a sack-which you proved earlier in this topic by Kicking me in the balls x_x

Gastly-is a different case altogether. I believe that Gastly is bullshit. Cause yay, I can hit it with air-I understand. That explain flying. Everything else....WHAT? I throw a rock at gas, um it goes nowhere. I don't understand Gastly and won't try to explain him.

Gengar is an 89-pound entity that can hide as a shadow. Aside from that, it is a relatively solid creature that, as I've already said, can be struck by Normal attacks based on keen observation.

Misdreavus is a floating head that shrieks... Scary, maybe, but hardly evidential that it's a spirit.

Sableye is an impish creature that lives in the darkness... How it even got classified as a Ghost, I don't know.

Shuppet and Banette are possessed puppets... Puppets are suddenly unbreakable now?

Duskull is a gaseous creature, but it has a skull. That can take damage from physical blows... Why not punches or slaps or the like?

Dusclops is a mummy with a dense body. There's no way you'll convince me that it can't be struck.

Drifloon and Drifblims are balloons. One word sums up this prospect: 'POP!'.

Spiritomb is, evidently, made of spirits bound to a rock. I very much doubt this is more than a myth, 'cuz I sure as Hell wouldn't screw around with an entity made of 108 fused evil souls that've been trapped in a rock for 5 centuries. And even if it is true, the rock is like a genie's lamp, from what I can see: Damaging it can harm Spiritomb, and destroying it altogether would likely cause the spirits (if that's what they truly are) to pass on, or it would kill Spiritomb altogether.

Dusknoir is basically an Ouija board that evolves from Dusclops. Remember how solid he is? Yeah, well, he grew up a bit. Nothing more.

Froslass is an ice chick, like Jynx. Ice can be struck. 'Nuff said.

Giratina is big and scary, and it looks pretty banged-up and ancient, but otherwise, it doesn't look like a Ghost at all to me.

Bottom line: Ghost Pokemon can eat, drink, sleep, take damage, faint, get sick, and perhaps even die. There's no reason to assume that they are not organic, even if their biological makeup is way different than that of other creatures and even other Pokemon. And since those Shadow attacks Ghosts use attack and erode cells, and Ghosts are weak against Ghost attacks themselves... Well, need I say more...?

Well these are all keen points. I do have a counter. For all the Ghosts in Pokemon, they all seem to have a connection to a realm that allows their body to have the ability to be intangible. Intangibility is a trait shared by Ghosts. So maybe they can eat-sleep-drink and piss like any other Pokemon. Maybe they're only classified by Ghosts due to that property alone, and are still for the most part physical creatures.

Because of their ability to become intangible-they also have an energy that is ironically able to ensure that Normal and Fighting attacks go through-because they're attacks that don't come from an Element-or are based off a mystical origin.

That ...actually makes sense...Holy crap!

No serious, check it!

Ice, Fire, Electric, Water, Flying-Basic Elements.

Rock, Grass, Steel, Ground--All part of Earth. They all are mineralic-that's elemental

Bug, Poison-Deal with the erosion of life. Bug because it irritates, Poison cause it corrodes.

Dragon, Psychic, Dark--mystical realms where the elements of the natural world do not have natural counters.

Fighting is a more Focused form of Normal to me, so that's why Fighting Pokemon get hit by Ghost attacks. But since Normal is well normal--well they just cancel each other out. .


Your move, Holy man!

(Cookies to guess who that line's from)

[Blademaster]

Alright Blade, you forced my hand. Let's get explaining :O!

A debater in TPM that can make valid points and remain friendly at the same time? This isn't right...

To explain MY reasoning. I'm not saying this is correct. This is how I think about it. SO before someone comes at me all "I DONT BELIEVE IN THAT" I shoot you with my Peanut gun >>

Ground Pokemon have a consistency within their body that allows them to act like natural lightningrods. They can absorb it because their affinity for the ground allows them a immediate discharge of the energy at hand. To give your Electivire vs Swinub example some merit..

Electivire can shoot off a Thunderpunch fairly quickly. When that punch hits the Swinub, that force is going to hurt. The point here is that now we have all this electricity that is for the most part, entering this piggy's system, how the heck can it be immediately discharged?

Because the Pigs skin is for the most part interlaced with a chemical composition that mimics ground-or at least something that has the effect of nullifying electricity. Its not like Rock which is so DENSE that it can't effectively distribute and filter out the electrical current.

So, you're saying that all Ground Pokemon are basically living lightning rods? That doesn't hold much water either, since in the anime, Bulbasaur was once shown to take electrical attacks in a similar manner to a lightning rod, but eventually, it succumbed to electricity. Same with Pikachu bringing down Brock's Onix and Giovanni's Rhydon.

Now, the anime is wrong a lot... OK, I'll agree there, so let's take a look at real life... Say, sand. Sand is made of tiny bits of rock, but then again, so's dirt. And lava. And other rocks. So, pretty much all of that counts as ground, right?

Well, lightning produces intense amounts of heat - such to the point that if lightning strikes sand, the sand actually melts around the lightning bolt's path, forming what's known as a fulgurite. The electricity DEFINITELY won that round.

Also, lightning rods are typically made of metal, not earth. So, that's a bit of a moot point when you think about it.

Now for the wavelength theory-yes the brain can mimic a radio. How else do you explain the aspect of mental waves(by waves I mean frequencies..) leaving Psychic Pokemon and afflicting others with their invisible powers. There are going to be some Pokemon that oddly enough, don't respond to that wavelength.

Its like that ringtone that only kids can hear. Its there. Kids hear it. Adults can't. The wavelength bypasses them-having nil effect. Same thing(for me) with Dark Pokemon and Psychic attacks.Now lets say you use Psychic to hit a Umbreon-if theres nothing being carried by the psychic, the Umbreon's gonna be hit by air, but unlike a Flying attack, the air isn't focused enough, so it won't hurt. Just a breeze will blow on by.

You're comparing mental waves to sound waves here. OK, let's assume, then, that our facetious Psychic Pokemon is a sound generator and that our facetious Dark Pokemon is a deaf human. They can't hear the 'attacks,' but that doesn't mean they can't feel them. Sound causes vibrations, and strong enough vibrations can rattle or even injure people. Sounds over 175 decibels can even cause death.

So, by that logic, Psychic energy may not be 'detected' by Darks, so to say, but they can still be effected by it in other ways, like throwing things Psychically, firing Psybeams or Psywaves, Future Sight's bypassing powers, etc..

Mawile too. I wasn't thinking about that short thing.

As for Rock Pokemon, you name one Rock Pokemon that's completely solid and doesn't have cracks in it. They may all look smooth, but the grooves on their bodies will have cracks. That's how the poison enters.

((I'm not saying it makes sense Blade, I'm just explaining how I think about it so I don't get hung up on things like this. I don't buy alot of it either-especially ANYTHING not being able to be poisoned. If I can get it in your mouth, you're injesting it, and yer getting sick, nuff said LOL.))

A solid Rock Pokemon with NO cracks on it? Can't name one.

But can YOU name ME a STEEL Pokemon with no cracks on it whatsoever? Steelix has cracks between its body segments. Aggron has cracks between its plates. Magneton has cracks where its screws drill into its body and around its eyes. Forretress is covered in holes and pits. I could keep going, but I think you get my point.

No. I don't think they focus on the cell aspect, rather than the form of energy used. I dunno. You make a good point. I can only speculate that Normal Pokemon give off the anti-energy that Ghost Pokemon utilize-so their cells can fight off the effects of those powers.

I'm just going by the Attack List, which states that Shadow Ball causes cellular deterioration. We can yell at Chris about that.

Well these are all keen points. I do have a counter. For all the Ghosts in Pokemon, they all seem to have a connection to a realm that allows their body to have the ability to be intangible. Intangibility is a trait shared by Ghosts. So maybe they can eat-sleep-drink and piss like any other Pokemon. Maybe they're only classified by Ghosts due to that property alone, and are still for the most part physical creatures.

Because of their ability to become intangible-they also have an energy that is ironically able to ensure that Normal and Fighting attacks go through-because they're attacks that don't come from an Element-or are based off a mystical origin.

That ...actually makes sense...Holy crap!

No serious, check it!

Ice, Fire, Electric, Water, Flying-Basic Elements.

Rock, Grass, Steel, Ground--All part of Earth. They all are mineralic-that's elemental

Bug, Poison-Deal with the erosion of life. Bug because it irritates, Poison cause it corrodes.

Dragon, Psychic, Dark--mystical realms where the elements of the natural world do not have natural counters.

Fighting is a more Focused form of Normal to me, so that's why Fighting Pokemon get hit by Ghost attacks. But since Normal is well normal--well they just cancel each other out. .

The only 'elements' I recognize are the Feng Shui elements of Fire, Water, Wood (Grass Pokemon), Metal (Steel Pokemon), and Earth (Ground Pokemon), as well as the Japanese elements of Fire, Water, Earth, Wind (Flying Pokemon), and Aether (Dark Pokemon).

Ice and Electric... Meh... I'll accept those as being elements. Ice is most like a combo of wind and water, and electricity is raw energy, and a life-providing one at that, so I can accept that.

Dragon and Psychic Pokemon use attacks of magical origin (Most Psychic Pokemon, especially the RBY ones, do resemble magicians more than psychics... OK, I'll buy those.

But that's where I draw the line. Poison kills things... Ghosts are already dead. Bugs irritate...? How is that 'eroding life?' What about the million and one Bug Catchers in every Pokemon game? Bugs don't bug them very much, and I doubt a ghost needs Raid for anything.

And Rock Pokemon... To be fair, these might fit in with the element of earth. But if we go by one type per element, then imagine throwing a rock at a ghost; see what happens.

So, bottom line, Ghost Pokemon should have either at least 2 more immunities, or none at all.


Oh, and BTW, thank you for the Dane Cookies.

[DarkestLight]

Smooth moves here >>

Not gonna paste, I just gonna state.

K #1. The damn Anime bugs me. Yes, taking down an Onix with Thunder shouldn't happen, but it does. Then again, the Onix was wet-but then he did it to Graveler, screw Pikabiotch

#2: Ok. Lava counts as ground. As does Sand (hey Soft Sand!). Electricity does generate heat, its energy after all.

Yes Fulgurites form, but they form from HEAT. Lightning may be the cause of the heat, but its still HEAT.

If I throw a Mariofireball at sand, I'm gonna make fulgurites as well. So its not an electric property alone that allows for that, its the addition of energy being released in a different manner.

And Lightning rods are embedded in Skyscrapers- and other tall places, so the electric energy gets funneled to where? The ground! And Grass resists Electric. Course Bulba can eat electric . He's that jigga >D


#3 Psy vs dark. Good example. I'll retool my descriptions. Yes Vibrations kill. Yes throwing things Psychically will hit a Dark type. But -like with Ghost/Normal-there is an energy that allows Dark types to completely dissipate/absorb Psychic energy before it hits them--like they absorb it and convert it. into Dark energy So maybe that's why. I dunno. I just know T-tar can keep being part Black. Ever notice Obama looks like T-Tar? >> <<

Way off topic there, anyway LOL.

#4 Steel argument. Yeah I can. Mawile & Lucario ::Runs!!:: Natural openings and orifices dun count as cracks

#5..Yeah that Attack List..SOMEONE needs to get their azz working on it.
I just realize I'm in no position to talk crap, yet I do

#6 Ok now, Poison and Bug
Remember, I conceded to the point that maybe Ghost Pokemon are "alive" except of the fact that they are intangible-and can commune with the world of the dead. The souls live-its a different type of "life". In that respect, Poison is gonna hit them. Hell Gastly Line is Ghost/Poison, so they hafta be more than just dead spirits.

Bug...<< Everything should resist Bug, truthfully. I'm sick of Bug. XD

..I throw a Rock at Froslass, it dies XD

Yeah maybe Ghost should be immune to Bug. I concur :O. You win..::KICK IN TEH BALLZ:: ¬¬ That's for earlier, snitch.

:kips off to give River a wedgie.::

[Blademaster]

(was wearing a cup)

Oh, no, I ain't done with you yet.

1. Regardless of who it bugs, the anime did inspire ANIME Style Battling. And the anime doesn't have immunities OR those idiotic double damage to weaknesses, which annoy the Hell out of me, too.

2. So what if it's heat? It still COMES FROM the lightning. Or any form of electricity. Fire isn't the only thing on earth that's hot, you know.

3. OK, now explain to me how that's possible and I'll believe you. Say in real life I took a wave-based source of energy, like a giant microwave, and sicced it on pretty much any living creature. The microwave is gonna scramble its atoms and fry it, whether it's a worm, a potted flower, a human, an elephant, a tuatara, a mushroom...

4. Natural openings and orifices don't count as cracks... That is the single WORST argument I've heard in a long while. It completely contradicts what you said in your last post, that getting poison in one's mouth makes one sick. I guess the mouth is just a crack and not a natural body orifice, then, as well.

5. ...Right...

6. So, if Ghosts are 'alive, just in a different way,' why should Poison hit them and not Steel-types?


Bug, I agree, is a useless type that more Pokemon should be stron against. How they managed to screw up that badly that Bugs could be beaten by pretty much EVERYTHING and yet can still be strong against two of the most broken types in the game is beyond me.

[DarkestLight]

:ragged back into lively discussion::

Ok, :cratches head::

1# Now I may be out of line here but hear me out. I thought Anime Style battling was inspired by the anime in the sense of having a larger realm of movement and freedom within Pokemon-more so than in the games. But we still follow the game mechanics to an extent.

Now-double damages to weaknesses does exist in the anime. There are plenty of times we hear Brock go "O..blah blah blah is weak against this, lalala Ash use [INSERT ATTACK HERE]"-then its all 4tw >>

Only example that comes in my mind in the Pidgeotto ep, Pikachu kicked that bird down in what, one hit? Yes Pikachu is borked beyond compare, but still. Ok that doesn't work, and I'm tired. Moving on.

#2: Dosen't matter where it comes from-then why dosen't it count as Fire then. Yeah Fire may not be the only thing thats hot but tell me what causes heat naturally and the Pokemon designers and anime creators care about enough to ensure that it burns you in the game. And no I don't mean friction or that sorta stuff. What element is associated with heat the most. Fire.

Electricity should come in second, but we (we should actually be they and they are the anime producers) aren't thinking about Electricity in the way it should. They focus on the current, the actual bolt-and the sparks. They really didn't take into account the full science behind it, and for lieu of enjoyment, neither should we.

The sparks will singe, yes. The Pokemon will smell burnt, yet-but they do not get burned (which they should ironically.) We aren't at fault for that, that's the Anime's fault. Sure we can incorporate Electric attacks having enough power to burn Pokemon, because it makes sense, but its another thing we'll need to tack onto the to-do list during every reffing.

As for the ground debate. the electricity somehow is stopped from coursing through the Pokemon. Whether its a immediate diffusion of energy though the cells, or the electric energy is somehow stored and turned into gas or what have you, it dosen't affect the Ground Pokemon

#3: Prove how dark types are nil affected by Psychic energy...

Its kinda like....UVA rays and humans. Yeah, it can cause cancer. But for the most part, humans have enough defenses naturally to deflect/absorb the rays-and release it at a later date. If we are out in areas where there are copious amounts of the damn rays, yeah we have higher percentages of being affected. And depending on the race; you may be able to take more or less sunlight in high amounts.

Now-imagine moment. Imagine there was a "race" of people with a genetic structure that totally countered the effects of short wave OR long wave radiation coming from the sun. That's what Dark Types are to Psychic attacks of all sorts. Doesn't matter if its a beam of that energy, they'll get hit by it, and their bodies won't feel a thing because they have the genetic makeup to be able to dispel that attack-that energy somehow gets converted to a non damaging form and passes harmlessly away.

Any maybe its misleading, Psybeam and the like. Ok, Like Solarbeam is a concentrated light blast right. It moves fast because its light. Psybeam moves fast because its "invisible-magickal" energy that moves at the speed of light. But maybe there's no concussive force except for the waves (I KNOW it sounds stupid, but ima explain)

Like instead of ..lets take a Kamehameha...which hits you and then its game over, maybe the Psybeam hits you, but the actual damage comes from the type of energy, the waves that are emitted, and not the shooting aspect of the beam....

>>Its hard to understand what I mean without me drawing its on paper. and I'm not cracking out paint so you can see my paint skillz.

But I'm sure the anime has more than enough examples of something getting hit by Psybeam and flinging them across a room. 9_9

4) A-I was joking

B-In a way, it doesn't. I said cracks, Not natural openings. Not something that was there naturally and aids in your survival. A crack is a tear in the skin after it has been fully formed to be open and closed at the junctions it needs to be.

Now, I'm agreeing with you that with both Steel and Rock types there are ways to poison them. Maybe Steel types have some sort of air-pressurized system that allows them to expel the foreign substances before they do damage-like a filtration system, and that's why they don't get poisoned. Maybe they just are able to shit Poison bricks. I dunno.

#6: Because ghosts don't have Filtration systems. And IF they made a Ghost Steel type, it wouldn't be affected by poison, further backing the fact that maybe its just because they have some as of yet unexplained way of dispelling the poisonous substance, even if by ingestion.

And maybe that's why they could take it by ingesting, they know their bodies will get rid of it nigh-immediatly. It's only when Poison is introduced in a way that ..tricks the Steel body into thinking its not Poison that it affects it-hence why Twinneedle works and Sludge Bomb dosen't.

And maybe that's why Bugs hurt Dark and Psychic types. Because their attacks are pinpoint. Purely precise. They strike on miniscule levels at once. They irritate and bother and utterly scramble up focus. And maybe its the type of focus of energy that sets Dark and Psychic aside, because if you don't focus those energies in a certain way, you can't use those attacks.

::Give Blade puppy eyes?:: Can I go yet ;_;! I've proven I'm smart and articulate when I wanna be? And I'm not a red-headed stepchild-so you can't beat me ::Hides red wigs-just in case.:: ¬¬

..I'll give you a hug :O

Wait hold up. Blade-what do you suggest happen then. Should we rewrite the immunities so it fits ASB better. I'd be all for that. I'm sure most everyone tries to circumvent this anyway-as there are alot of examples that just don't make sense-but maybe if you slapped it all out nice and neat and what not, maybe we could make ASB a bit better by having alot more common sense sucked into it-and thereby enhancing our own strategies. That is- until we play the games and realize we've messed up our knowledge's base xD.

[Chris 2.1]

Can you guys continue this discussion elsewhere please? It's become a conversation and less of a discussion topic. I'll reiterate my previous post since it has become swathed in discussions I cannot comprehend; refs need to ref type immunities. Any who don't will be fined.