Super Smash Bros. Brawl (spoilers inside!)

[AdventureSerum]

Oh boy, the Maste-

Nevermind, it's just Rayquaza. False alarm.

Wait, what's Rayquaza doing coming out of the water?! Shouldn't it come out of the sky or clouds or something?

[The Blue Avenger]

Much in the same way that an 800-pound gorilla can sit anywhere it likes, Rayquaza can be anywhere it wants to be.

[Drago]

Much in the same way that an 800-pound gorilla can sit anywhere it likes, Rayquaza can be anywhere it wants to be.

Hypotenuse Man has just won this thread. Thank you all for playing.

...On an unrelated note, anyone care to fathom a guess as to how a Rayquaza boss battle would play out? I'd imagine it'd swoop in from all over the screen, causing all sorts of mischief, err, chaos.

[Chris 2.1]

I guess he'd work like Master Hand....maybe? In todays update, what is that little clock item that falls out the Party Ball? I was just thinking I'd love an item that either slows down or speeds up the opponents, so for a few moments they are in slow-mo or something. That'd be cool.

[Blademaster]

Hypotenuse Man has just won this thread. Thank you all for playing.

That's the second time he's done so. The rest of us better quit and go home while we still have the chance...

...On an unrelated note, anyone care to fathom a guess as to how a Rayquaza boss battle would play out? I'd imagine it'd swoop in from all over the screen, causing all sorts of mischief, err, chaos.

I doubt it'd happen, but a combination of the traditional Pokemon battle engine from the handheld games combined with Smash Bros.'s fighting system would be awesome. Just imagine it:


RAYQUAZA used FLY!
(Rayquaza swoops in at your character; at the last second, you press Z or whatever and creates your shield, lessening the attack's damage considerably [Yes, for this battle, both the boss AND you, the player, have HP.])
MARIO used FIREBALL!
(you freely control your character [in this case Mario, of course ] for a few seconds, using B or whatever to shoot fireballs at Rayquaza and inflict some damage)


Then, out of nowhere, a Super Smash item falls onto the field and Rayquaza gets it.


RAYQUAZA uses SUPER SMASH!
SUPER SMASH activated RAYQUAZA's SUPER SMASH ATTACK!
RAYQUAZA uses DRACO METEOR!
(Rayquaza rears up and blasts flaming meteor after flaming meteor from its mouth, blowing your shield up and knocking you into the stratosphere)
RAYQUAZA has just PWNED YOU!


...OK, maybe not. But hey, it's fun to dream...

[Starry Might]

Fire Emblem: Fire Emblem Theme -

In Japan, the lyrics used in commercials are quite famous ("♪If danger approaches, retreat helter-skelter!"), but in taking it worldwide, I’ve reflected on the Fire Emblem world and done the lyrics in Latin.

LOL, AWESOME.

Anyways, I didn't listen to the song, but I did read the translated Latin lyrics.

Fox’s Misfortune - I didn't watch the video, but it sounds neat from what you said.

Items from Previous Installments - I've seen at least most of these items in videos.

Gray Fox - My Dad told me this morning that there was a new Assist Trophy...he didn't tell me who it was at my request, but he did hint it had something to do with Snake.

Well, shoot! If the "Metal Gear Solid" franchise has an Assist Trophy, I'll bet "Sonic" will have an Assist Trophy, too...I nominate Amy Rose and her trademark hammer!

Lucas: Special Moves -

There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar. They are from the same family of PK users.

UH-OH...this doesn't look very good for people who like Ness!! (But then again, as I've pointed out before, Lucas WAS originally supposed to replace him in "Melee"...) Lucas has some different regular attacks, and a different basic B move, though.

Norfair - I've already seen this stage in YouTube videos. I didn't know there was a safe haven that popped up when the lava wall does, though!

Anyways, I'd like to close this post with a couple of ideas for customizing your game that I haven't gotten around to sharing until now...

Smashville Constellations and Such: I got this idea from the first Excitebike Assist Trophy screenshot...what if "SSBB" had connectivity with "Animal Crossing: Wild World" that lets you upload any constellations you've made and/or acquired from visiting other towns so that they appear in the stage at night?!

And let's not stop there...what if you could upload your player character(s) and villagers to "Brawl" so that they'd appear in the background instead of just random ones? Sweet!

Custom Character Colors: The regular characters in "Soul Calibur 3" had two outfits with two color schemes - default and Custom. There was an option that let you recolor the Custom colors. What if "SSBB" let you cook up some custom color schemes that would appear in addition to the characters' regular costumes? Awesome, huh?

[Dark Scizor]

Gray Fox - My Dad told me this morning that there was a new Assist Trophy...he didn't tell me who it was at my request, but he did hint it had something to do with Snake.

It sounds like you have the best dad ever.

[SupremeChampion]

haha yea it does. but yea, i've been following these updates closely, and i could not be more excited about the next installment coming out. what really excites me is that they're breaking down and putting on-line play into affect. i know there won't be a ranking system, but still, on-line play is gonna rock.

also, i know i'm joining this topic waaay late, but has there been any speculation as to what the remaining super smash moves would be? i'm actually really interested in seeing what zelda's move is, because i really have like no good guess. the others, i think i can take a good guess, like for snake it would be him calling a metal gear or something that would attack for a short while, just take everyone on screen out, i dunno. and thoughts here?

~The Italian Stallion

[AdventureSerum]

"Oh. A Fairy."

HAHAHA!

[Phoenixsong]

Snake's taunt is funny. I bet it would be funnier if I actually played MGS. I still don't get the box; it seems so silly. Ah, well.

Now that you mention Soul Calibur, Lloyd from ToS is going to be in the Wii version (are they doing different versions for different systems again?). I dunno how I feel about that. On the one hand, whoot, he's in an awesome fighting game! On the other hand, I think it lowers the chances of a Tales appearance in an even more awesome fighting game, which is not whoot. I am torn.

...Of course, Lloyd himself is better suited for the environment of SC because of the double katana thing... I said it before, how would he use items in Brawl? But he's also the main character, so... I mean... If he's not in, they probably won't bother with anyone else. Argh. Torn, torn, torntorntorntorn!

...whatever. I'm still getting both.

[Drago]

Now that you mention Soul Calibur, Lloyd from ToS is going to be in the Wii version .

Last time Nintendo fans got Link...

Now we're lumped with Lloyd? Ugh, my contempt for ToS aside, that's not an exciting option at all. Just my view.

Digression aside, I'm giddily pondering what I should have as my three taunt phrases; I'm likely to recycle some of my old PSO lines from way back when...
Additionally, this week's updates have shown us two things we already know, we're bound to get a good'un today.

[Phoenixsong]

Now we're lumped with Lloyd? Ugh, my contempt for ToS aside, that's not an exciting option at all. Just my view.

Oh, of course. I fully respect your opinion. And will never speak to you again.

XD

[Starry Might]

It sounds like you have the best dad ever.

Thanks.

also, i know i'm joining this topic waaay late, but has there been any speculation as to what the remaining super smash moves would be? i'm actually really interested in seeing what zelda's move is, because i really have like no good guess.

I've actually had the thought that maybe Zelda's Final Smash involves her turning into Shiek (a la Samus > Zero Suit Samus). Seriously! (That's just speculation on my part, though.)

Now that you mention Soul Calibur, Lloyd from ToS is going to be in the Wii version (are they doing different versions for different systems again?).

The game you're talking about is "Soul Calibur Legends", which is a hack-'n'-slash action game. The XBox 360 and the PS3 will get "Soul Calibur IV" next year.

Anyway, getting back on topic...

Ike: Final Smash - Seen it on YouTube, but judging from the Dojo's entry on it, it ISN'T necessarily the total ripoff of Link's Final Smash that it seemed to be.

Three Different Taunts - I've read about this, and I think this is really cool! (BTW, did you noticed what Wario was saying in the last shot? LOL, you naughty dude. )

Handicap - Interesting. Since you can each person's Damage Meter however you want, I hope it can go up to at least 900% so that people can do ÜBER SUDDEN DEATH!!

Meta Knight: Special Moves - Nice.

Spectator - Neat! It reminds me of the Spectate mode in the "Unreal Tournament" games...except you can bet Coins on the fighters!

Speaking of Coins, I guess that explains this last paragraph from the "Classic" mode update:

Huh? You’re wondering what the coins on the Stage Clear screen are for? Um, you think they’re there to make it look more lively?

No, no. You earn and save these up little by little as you play. And supposedly you can use them somewhere. But no—you don’t use them to shop.

[Drago]

Well I certainly hope that isn't the coins' only use. I mean, the nice thing about gambling and winning coins is that you can use them for something, y'know? If the only reason I have money is to gamble, I've got a problem and can't be trusted.

Anyway, I'm still happy with the spectator mode update. I like it how Sakurai put it, similar to a 'Smash Network' where you can just watch matches, place bets and learn some techniques. I like it. In fact, I like it a lot. It's just another one of those things that didn't have to be done, but could've been done, and was. Thank you, Sakurai.

EDIT: Oh, and in case y'all didn't notice, if her player portrait is accurate, Peach doesn't have that oddly nice tan as the Daisy colouration anymore. That's bound to disappoint someone.

EDIT2: Been confirmed that the stickers include Gray Fox and Silver the Hedgehog. There's going to be... A LOT... of stickers.

EDIT3: And you know you can't ignore me, Phoenixsong. I'm far too lovable. *hands you a plush Lloyd*

[Starry Might]

Well I certainly hope that isn't the coins' only use. I mean, the nice thing about gambling and winning coins is that you can use them for something, y'know? If the only reason I have money is to gamble, I've got a problem and can't be trusted.

Good point. Hopefully you can also use them to do the Trophy Lottery like in "Melee".

[AdventureSerum]

Woo, spectator mode. All the fun of watching other people play video games minus the ability to berate them for not letting you play.

Just kidding. It looks pretty neat.

[AdventureSerum]

... Dark. Link. I think my brain just EXPLODED.

... Is that albino Zelda in the background there?

[Starry Might]

... Is that albino Zelda in the background there?

I dunno if she's albino, but that black Gothic dress she has on is awesome (as is her classic "Blonde 'n' Pink" look, which I figured would be a possible alt. color scheme for her)! And Dark Fox...I'm guessing this is what people at other forums thought was a Wolf O'Donnel costume/coloration.

Anyway, I've seen many of those color schemes on YouTube, but I think they're all neat.

As for most of the rest of the updates...

Ice Climbers: Final Smash - Whoa, ICEBERG! LOL

Training - Not surprising this mode's back...but was it possible to have multiple training dummies before? If I play "Melee" today, I'll have to check this out (EDIT: I've just finished playing, and before I quit, I checked this out...sure enough, you can have up to three traning dummies!). (Oh, and what's with the soccer ball in the third screenshot? It must be a new item.)

Smart Bomb - I'm MAY have seen something like this on YouTube. Oh, and exploding items don't always explode now? Hmmm...

LOL @ the last screenshot, BTW...poor Electrode.

Saki Amamiya - I've heard of "Sin & Punishment" (which was a Japan-only N64 game until this year, thanks to the Virtual Console), and now I know who one of its characters is. Cool.

In other news, Ike has hired Phoenix Wright, Ace Attorney, to sue Sakurai for continued character abuse. (LOL, seriously, it just seems to me that he's been on the losing end of attacks in screenshots quite a bit.)

Lucas: Final Smash - Whoa, MASSIVE METEOR SHOWER! Awesome.

[SupremeChampion]

haha yea, maybe zelda turns into shiek and just unleashes like this massive combo on a target or something. in the original game, while i rarely deviated from playing as link, when i did play as zelda i did always transform into shiek just for the combos and how smooth it was to transition for each one.

anywho, the pk starstorm final smash from lucas looks pretty awesome, like one of the more useful moves.

~The Italian Stallion

[classy_cat18]

Good news: They ditched the DK Rap.

Better news: ORIGINAL DONKEY KONG REMIX! WHOO!

[AdventureSerum]

Hey, I like the DK Rap. :'( It's a part of my childhood!

Besides, just because they have a new song doesn't mean they won't have the DK Rap as well...

[Charles Legend]

LOL@ Wario's Final Smash, he Eats Garlic and becomes Wario-man XD Hehe I think Worio just became one of my favorite Charters do to him eating Garlic as a power up...

also the Temple From SSBM is back

~Charles Legend

[Starry Might]

Hey, I like the DK Rap. :'( It's a part of my childhood!

Besides, just because they have a new song doesn't mean they won't have the DK Rap as well...

Yeah, I think it might show up as a "My Music" thing.

Controls - Looks like they're doing some interesting stuff here.

Wario: Final Smash - What, it's not the "Atomic Fart" from the original trailer?! (LOL) Anyways, "Wario-Man" looks pretty different and crazy (but what else would you expect from that guy? )!

Events - I never did beat every Event in "Melee" (mainly due to difficulty and junk), but hopefully the inclusion of difficulty levels this time around will help make beating "Brawl's" events easier.

Melee Stages - First of all, I'd like to say...

HECK YEAH, "TEMPLE"!!

Anyways, this is easily my favorite of this week's updates.

We’ve tried to create an exact replica, but there may be a few areas that differ from the last game. I hope you understand.

It looks pretty much the same to me, except for maybe that one column/platform to the right of the path that leads to the underbelly of the level. Hmmm.

[Heald]

Hmm, Sakurai hasn't put up a groundbreaking update for a while. Unless you consider 'widescreen support' groundbreaking (and I, for the record, do not).

Either they've peaked at Sonic and there will be no possible way to even come close to matching that in terms of news...

Or, the rumours are true and they are in fact still in the process of integrating at least one more third-party character into the game.

Still, only two more months before it's released in Japan, so I imagine that they pretty much have completed their character roster and are only choosing to withhold from us on the grounds of being spiteful goons.

[Drago]

Actually, the way I see it Sakurai was using all the good updates up when the game was so close to release that, now that it's been pushed back, he's got a lot of days to throw in filler for a while. I mean, what were the last big announcements after Sonic? Dedede and the stage builder?
In retrospect, November has been a disappointment for updates as a whole. I mean, we're all for analysing every single matter, but how much discussion can we really have about widescreen support?

One matter of interest though, if the rumours are true, and they're trying for one more third-party character, it's interesting to consider just who that might be. I mean, it doesn't get any bigger than Sonic, does it? If they were to announce Pacman now, there'd be a worldwide groan (no offense Pac). I would've loved Megaman...
So who in the world would be more shocking than Sonic? How about (as the argument has often risen over Brawl forums) Cloud?

[Heald]

The rumour was that when the game got pushed back, Nintendo were allegedly talking to third-parties and thus people are trying to two and two together.

It'd be nice for Sakurai to throw us a bone once in a while. It used to be one big update a week, now I think we've gone nearly three weeks without so much as anything even remotely surprising. I think we know that Captain Falcon is going to be in it, and probably Ganondorf, but he could at least show us the character models and their moves. Hopefully 'Dorf won't just be a Falcon clone this time round.

Personally, I think we all know who they're going to announce - Waluigi. It's just too good to pass up.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if another third-party character made an appearance (Sakurai made comments back in the early stages of development that he was only thinking of putting in one or two non-Nintendo characters other than Snake. Sonic is one but he hasn't confirmed whether there will be a second). Mind you, I've been wrong before...

Expect the old rumour wheel again and Sonic being allegedly in the game. As cool as that would be, it's never going to happen, unless Sega realises that every game they've released in the last five years has been dogshit and want their characters in a decent game for once.

If I had to put money on it, I'd say Megaman...or Viewtiful Joe. Or Tommy Vercetti.

[Water Pokemon Master]

*hopes for Lucario, Jigglypuff, or Mewtwo*

[Heald]

Yesterday's update:

I really don't see the point in having separate friend codes. The whole point of having a personal Wii code in the first place was so that all of your friends wouldn't have to keep swapping codes for every different game. The fact that these are Nintendo first-party games that are the guilty culprits in every single case is pretty damned indicting of the system. They were good enough to implement such a shitty system in the first place, just not good enough to use it themselves.

The online portion is really the Wii's biggest weakness, which is a damned shame, considering it is a really great console otherwise and the fact I love online gaming. The XBox, 360 and PS2 (haven't tried PS3's yet) were great. Not perfect, but at least you could get decent connections. Every Wii game I've tried online has a horrible connection to even Europe, and don't even think about trying to get a connection outside of Europe. If Nintendo could pull their finger out and actually get their priorities right (decent connection speed and a fluid, awesome system in place) instead of always trying to 'protect teh kiddies' with these lame-ass friend codes and not being able to talk to anyone over the Internet, then it would be an awesome console.

[Charles Legend]

Err Starry Might Wario's Ubber Fart is his down Smash, the longer you hold it the more powerful it becomes...

Also Heald no one cares, it cant be as bad as Dial up... :p

Now as for the next character I think it's a toss up between Lucario, Waluigi, Shadow, or maybe even Ridley... but hey thouse are just my guesses.

~Charles Legend

[Chris 2.1]

I'm dissapointed with the recent updates. There just isnt anything....that.....interesting. There cannot be many new items/characters left, or, they want some not to be revealled before the game's release.

[AdventureSerum]

Well, they're saving all the good stuff for when you actually play the game. I can't keep myself from reading the updates, but I also don't want the really good secrets to be spoiled before I get the game.

[Starry Might]

Err Starry Might Wario's Ubber Fart is his down [Special], the longer you hold it the more powerful it becomes...

I already knew that...but the Atomic Fart from the trailer was considerably more epic.

Moving along (I actually visited the Dojo this morning, so I already know what the updates are)...

Returning Pokémon - What, no Raikou (since Entei and Suicune are among the returning Pokemon)? Eh, this may be an incomplete list, anyway.

EDIT: Oh, snap, I forgot to mention this earlier, but the update also said that Mew and Celebi can occasionally drop gifts (like Music CDs) whenever they pop out of the Pokeball.

X: Tunnel Scene - They're adding songs regardless of whether the game in question is otherwise represented in "Brawl"? Hmm.

The Battle for the Smash Ball -

And then there’s an element known as the Pity Final Smash. Once a significant point advantage is reached, the losing player is given a bonus chance. When you get this, you will reappear after a KO in Final Smash standby mode.

WHOA!

King Dedede: Final Smash - MARCH OF THE PENGUIN'S WADDLE DEES! (LOL)

With Anyone/Basic Brawl - Looks like they're doing some interesting stuff here (such as the CPU taking over if you lose your connection)...but by FAR the most interesting thing in this update is THIS:

And there is one more important thing...

When you have a battle mode that runs online like Basic Brawl, the problem of what to do with hidden characters arises. If one of your opponents chooses a character you haven’t unlocked yet, it will be spoiled for you immediately.

But even without this mode, given the proliferation of the Internet these days, the existence of hidden characters is going to get exposed anyway.

So, this time I’m moving in the direction of not being too hung up on hidden characters.

You can earn most characters by playing through Adventure Mode: The Subspace Emissary. For those of you who look forward to those encounters, I recommend you clear this mode before playing Basic Brawl.

And as the case has always been, I’ve made it so you can play the characters you unlock in battles.

[Drago]

Hey, I like the DK Rap. :'( It's a part of my childhood!

Besides, just because they have a new song doesn't mean they won't have the DK Rap as well...

DK... DragoKnight! DK... DragoKnight is here!
I suspect that'll be the next update; announcing the DragoKnight rap.

Wednesday's update would've been groan-worthy (shock: you don't play nicely to get the smash ball), and I'm not too sure I like the 'Pity Smash Ball' concept (though I didn't mind the Demon Launcher in Assault, perhaps I'll warm to it), though I do like something that I wasn't aware of before, that players holding the smash ball can actually fumble it away if pummelled enough.
That certainly throws a new level of strategy into things; how long do you hold onto it; Long enough to get the perfect shot, or quickly to avoid losing it? What do you do when someone else grabs it; run for dear life? Or take it to them? Certainly, it's a really good idea.

Also...

Quote:
Of course, there is no X stage in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but this time, the songs in Smash Bros. aren’t limited only to those series represented by characters and stages. We’ve taken some that are from completely unrelated games.

Silly Sakurai; how 'bout the Balloon Fight and Mach Rider music in Melee? Maybe they're still a SEEEEECRET.

[Starry Might]

Also...

Quote:
Of course, there is no X stage in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but this time, the songs in Smash Bros. aren’t limited only to those series represented by characters and stages. We’ve taken some that are from completely unrelated games.
Silly Sakurai; how 'bout the Balloon Fight and Mach Rider music in Melee? Maybe they're still a SEEEEECRET.

Yeah...I actually did think of that while I made my previous post.

[Drago]

The rotation mode was an utter disappointment for me, not for what it is, which is an entirely disinteresting but useful and nice feature, but for what it isn't...
When I first saw rotation I thought, omg... Royal Rumble in Smash Bros. Admit it, it would own you and your children if, when a player gets eliminated from the match, there's a countdown, and someone else comes in. To balance out the advantage of coming in last, the later entrants would have fewer lives or automatic damage. ...Sigh... It would have been sweet.

Incidentally, it finally happened last night. I had a dream that I had purchased Smash Bros Brawl. I think, for some reason, my local retailer hadn't been told about the delay, and I seemed to get the only copy in existence. I'm sorry guys, I only got a playthrough with Sonic, I can't give you my impressions on anyone else.

[Drago]

I expect a little piece of Heald died today, for...

Waluigi

The fact that he’s an Assist Trophy means he won’t be appearing as a playable character, but...

...Waluigi appears nonetheless!

[Jeff]

LOL, yeah I immediately thought of that as soon as I saw that update. Well judging by the past couple of days' updates, it would seem that the slump is over. Mario circuit looks cool (I know we saw it before, and that its basically the same as the F-Zero stage from Melee, but I just like the idea of a Mario Kart themed stage. And then there's the Waluigi assist trophy, and another assist trophy revealed in one day. Hopefully this keeps up

[The Blue Avenger]

Well, there go my hopes of seeing the crotch chop in Brawl. ;_; I'm just glad that Waluigi is a badass assist trophy.

[Starry Might]

I expect a little piece of Heald died today, for...

Waluigi
http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items...14_071214a.jpg
The fact that he’s an Assist Trophy means he won’t be appearing as a playable character, but...
http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items...14_071214b.jpg
...Waluigi appears nonetheless!

Yeah, I thought of Heald when I saw that, too (poor dude).

I was thinking that Waluigi would most likely be an alternate costume for Luigi, though, so this was a surprise!

Moving along...

Bonsly - I've read about this guy already (at Smash World Forums, I think).

Options - Yay for the Sound Test being available from the start! (I never did unlock it in "Melee"...)

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http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamem...18_071112h.jpg

This is by far the most dangerous of the option modes.

Yeaaah... Don’t fiddle around with these options.

I mean it now. Don’t mess around on this screen.

Seriously now. I’m not playing here.

LOL...I thought something along the lines of "DON'T PUSH THE RED BUTTON!!" when I read this.

Mario Circuit - So, they've finally shown this one! Oh, and I don't think it's QUITE a "F-Zero"-like stage, because it looks like you stay in one portion of the track the entire time instead of being moved around.

Stafy - I've seen some people pull for this cute little Japan-only guy as a playable character at other forums. Well, at least he's in (albeit in a form they won't like!).

[Heald]

Oh no, I don't care. It just means I will never buy or play this game. This is one guy Sakurai hasn't hoodwinked into his sordid little game.