2008 U.S. Presidential Election - Primaries

[firepokemon]

Is that why it constantly polls in the top 3 - 10 issues for this country? How about getting you stop speaking out of your ass?

I never said it wasn't an issue, what I said is it wasn't the issue you tought it would be. Political pundits have been saying that it is a republican issue and will not be such an issue at the national elections. That was well before the economy came to the fore, so therefore I was right, you were wrong.

Besides if it was just a Republican issue, the Democrats would not have gone on Spansh Television to debate it.

Of course its an issue but you're making out everybody in the United States has immigration at the top of their mind, thats just fucking stupid.

And what experience would she have? Being First Lady is more than a full time job.

Shes just like literally all politicians. A fucking lawyer. And I was saying she would bring in a team with experience. The Clinton years were good economic years, its going to be the same.

Seeing how the issue right now is the economy, in which Romney has the most experience next to Guiliani, I think America is a bit more concerned about that.

Foreign policy will always be the issue, its ties right into any issues on economics, so you may well want to shut your mouth and sit down and listen. The economy is facing higher oil prices, oil is an economic issue but because the majority of oil is from international countries. Foreign policy matters. You want to have trade agreements and trade alliances you need to talk to other countries thats a foreign policy. Foreign policy matters most importantly and Romney doesn't have it. But yes he could well bring in a team of experts on foreign issues but do not think for one second it isn't an issue. Foreign policy runs America.

If Clinton is bringing up Blacks then I believe she is playing the race card as a scapegoat. Also I find it halarious you accuse Obama of playing the race card today, while Hillary is going after the Hispanic vote, trying to get them to turn on the Blacks and balance it out.

I never said she wasn't playing the race card, but I find it unfair that shes accused of so much and Obama nothing. And hispanics don't like blacks I would have thought you'd know that.

Compared to the dirt that Hillary has, Romney can run rings around her.

Romney isn't smart like she is.

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When immigration is listed as fourth I hardly call it a top issue.

[Roy Karrde]

I never said it wasn't an issue, what I said is it wasn't the issue you tought it would be.

Top 3 to 5 in issues pretty much ranks it as one of the major things Americans want to know about.

Political pundits have been saying that it is a republican issue and will not be such an issue at the national elections. That was well before the economy came to the fore, so therefore I was right, you were wrong.

And yet it still ranks up there in the top 5, which would be some of the top issues for America. So therefore I was right, you are wrong.

Of course its an issue but you're making out everybody in the United States has immigration at the top of their mind, thats just fucking stupid.

Not top of mind, but when it comes from choosing between say Clinton or Romney, one who has been very soft on Immigration and the other that takes a tough stance. It is enough to swing voters. And when it is between Romney and McCain in the primaries, it is enough to cause McCain to lose.

Shes just like literally all politicians. A fucking lawyer.

What has she run? What first hand experience has she had making decisions? Being in the Senate just means you play follow the leader.

And I was saying she would bring in a team with experience.

Yet in the end, it is her decision, not her team when it comes down to the big decisions. Not to mention Hillary isnt some one that listens to her team. She is very hot headed and emotional and when she wants to do something she will do it her way.

The Clinton years were good economic years, its going to be the same.

The Clinton years were only good becuase we cut back the Military spending and had a .Com Bubble. Unless we have another .Com Bubble, and Clinton decides to be a royal fuck up and cut our military during a time of war. Then it will not be the same.

Foreign policy will always be the issue, its ties right into any issues on economics, so you may well want to shut your mouth and sit down and listen.

And yet right now, no one is breaking it up. Even Iraq has become a silent issue on the campeign so how about getting your head out of your ass?

The economy is facing higher oil prices, oil is an economic issue but because the majority of oil is from international countries.

Which is nothing we can control right now, becuase OPEC refuses to raise production and the Democrats will not drill.

Foreign policy matters. You want to have trade agreements and trade alliances you need to talk to other countries thats a foreign policy. Foreign policy matters most importantly and Romney doesn't have it.

Neither does Obama, or any one else. Clinton's foreign policy consists of Rubber Chicken dinners with heads of state.

But yes he could well bring in a team of experts on foreign issues but do not think for one second it isn't an issue. Foreign policy runs America.

Right now the Economy runs America, who ever can step up and bring ideas to the table and experience to the table with the economy, is going to come out ahead.

I never said she wasn't playing the race card, but I find it unfair that shes accused of so much and Obama nothing.

Hillary brings the fire down upon herself, from having her people go out and try to accuse Obama of dealing drugs, to her automated calls targeting Obama, she just cannot run a clean enough campeign, then again that IS the Clintons.

And hispanics don't like blacks I would have thought you'd know that.

Which is why Hillary is running to them.

Romney isn't evil like she is.

Fixed for the truth.

Its confirmed you like morons.

I like people who bring ideas and experience to help this country. You on the other hand seem to like people who bring no experience, and no ideas that could help this country right now.

You are just dumb and pathetic Karrde you watch too much talk back radio and just suck at life. Sorry.

I love you too firepokemon, even though I kick your ass in debates.

[firepokemon]

I am not going to play a game of quote and post, quote and post.

You Karrde are spouting the whole entire bullshit every fucking media outlet has been spouting. Oh she has no experience. Oh she's emotional because she cried once. Shes a woman and woman are weak. To say that rather lacks credibility since you just quote and post more than likely off Fox News. I've heard all the arguments against Clinton and they're so typical and so what I would have expected. Do you think Tony Blair Prime Minister of Great Britain a rather great leader that rode an economic high and for a good number of years did very well had that much experience? Do you actually realise how much power a Prime Minister in a westminister system holds? Its much more than a President. The idea that someone needs experience to govern is quite rightly bullshit. Clinton had good years on economics, it didn't have to do with military cutbacks or the bubble boom it was good policies. Although I am of the opinion that government can only do so much for economics. They can influence fiscal policy but you have to rely on more than that to do well economically. The fact Romney had the balls to even say Michigan could have an automotive industry again just speaks of how much of a bullshitter he is. That shows right there how much credibility he lacks.

Oh and I could hardly call you or myself great debaters. Perhaps when The Rusted One was here or other such notable people (even though to me TRO just believed everything he had to say so you couldn't debate him, he was like some religious nutter that just believes he what they believe) then you could say they were good. But really I don't want to be great. I have my beliefs which are clearly Clinton is great and McCain is likeable. You have your opinions which are fine really though I completely disagree with them and your anologies don't make sense. But thats okay. Its good to believe in yourself, just realise one thing. At the end of the day, this is a pokemon forum. A pokemon forum where anybody can say many things, many things which are bullshit. I would hardly call it an achievement to be great at anything on what is a pokemon forum that barely has 50 active posters.

[Roy Karrde]

You Karrde are spouting the whole entire bullshit every fucking media outlet has been spouting.

I have? I don't have any time for the news with school and all.

Oh she's emotional because she cried once.

And if it was Bush people would be jumping over him for it. If a person cannot handle the stress of a primary. How the hell are they going to handle the stress of a Presidency?

Shes a woman and woman are weak.

Who the fuck says that?

To say that rather lacks credibility since you just quote and post more than likely off Fox News.

Please post where my writing appears on Fox News, I would love to see it on a International News Website!

Clinton had good years on economics, it didn't have to do with military cutbacks or the bubble boom it was good policies.

Any economist will tell you the only reason why we had a good economy in the 90s was becuase of the .net bubble. Besides, I should remind you that the Congress determines most of the Economic Policies and passes the budget. So really you are saying the Republican Congress is what created the Economy of the 90s?

The fact Romney had the balls to even say Michigan could have an automotive industry again just speaks of how much of a bullshitter he is. That shows right there how much credibility he lacks.

Michigan right now is starving for jobs, they are watching more and more go overseas and their entire state is falling into a Depression. Romney didn't say "Well I am going to bring back Automotive jobs." and then didn't explain why. He stood up and told how he was going to bring those jobs back, how he was going to pump money into creating Alternative Fuel cars, cars that would help the automotive industry in Michigan alot.

[firepokemon]

Some good points Karrde.
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Ok well 5 mins to end of voting.

So my predictions for Florida primary

McCain by 5 over Romney. Guliani well back but will beat Huckabee.

Clinton over Obama by 10 probably 15 but Obama get black and youth votes. Edward does well with white males.

And good night leaving uni to watch primary.

[Roy Karrde]

Some good points Karrde.

So can you and I come to some sort of truse?