Hoothooters! Can I get sum?

[Mew Master]

Besides, the Dragon Roost itself has different arenas for every SET of Pokemon set out. It's basically a bunch of different arenas with different rules set out. It's not that freakin complicated.

Just ask DL, he's reffing it.

[Blademaster]

I give you three examples of your bat-shit-crazy Arenas and you call bullshit. Wow, you don't know when you've lost do you?

Now you're starting to get annoying. The Normal arena going on right now is NOT as complicated as your arena. Plain and fucking simple. And the Brawl match was not at my discretion, it was at Darkly's. And it merely changed locations, not what moves are and aren't effective or which of my fucking fetish dragons is randomly flying around shitting on the match.

My point was that you've come up with crazy arenas in the past, and by your own admission you never finished one due to it's complexity. So thank you for proving my point, you narcissistic ninny.

When did I say I never finished one, you rock-rubbing twit? I said I grew tired of one's complexity. I was able to stick it out until the end.

MY point was (1.) that none of my arenas are as complex as your Roost with the exception of one that I made over a year ago and wasn't really a fan of anyway. You've hawked this fucked-up idea at least twice and the first time, nobody ever accepted it (as far as I remember). I'd say it's more complicated if nobody can be bothered trying to figure it out.

My point was also (2.) that I can't stand arenas that rely on 'hurr durr shifting elements' as their gimmick when it's a dated and uncreative concept. Tack all the mythological bullshit and specific conditions on it as you want. The cut and dry of it is that it is way more of a clusterfuck than most of my arenas and most of the ones in ASB as a whole. Call the Major-General battle needlessly complicated; at least it was original.

I cited ALL of your past crazy ass arenas that could be considered just as complicated (if not more so) than the Dragon Roost to make a point and drive it home to your THICK SKULL.

And out of the three examples you cited, only one of them has been agreed upon by other people.

Bra. Vo.


As for you, Darkly, I was looking more at the armors themselves having different elements... But they don't seem to come into play anywhere when used by a Pokemon. Maybe I was wrong. I just don't quite get why the armors have types when they all hit for Normal/Fighting/Steel damage and absorb nothing but Normal attacks.

[Oslo]

<3 "hurr durr shifting elements". I laughed out loud.

But really, has anyone ever devised an arena that incorporates this sort of "gimmick" and actually thought they were being ingenious or creative in any way? The thing is, the crazy creative arenas often require you to build your strategy around the arena itself, which isn't something everyone wants to have to do all the time, I'm sure. It's fun every now and then, but no, not always.

So where's the middle ground between the crazy-creative arenas and something as flavourless as Indigo Plateau? "Hurr durr shifting elements"! Yeah, you've seen them a kajillion times before, but that's because they're an effective way to introduce another thin layer of strategy if you wish to partake. If you don't want to choose your attacks based on whatever Pokemon type is in vogue at the time, whatevs, you don't have it. It's probably not gonna alter the outcome of the match a whole ton, but it can be fun to play with a bit.

That being said... matches set in the crazy arenas are always oodles of fun to spectate. The Black/White battle is pretty neat.

And Mew Master's Dragon Roost arena isn't really all that complex at all. It's just a bunch of different arenas with the same hazards and elemental boosts that you'd typically find in any other match. *shrugs*

[Mew Master]

Now you're starting to get annoying.

Congratulations Blade, now you know how the rest of us feel whenever you open your pie-hole and the endless stream of profanity comes flying out.

When did I say I never finished one, you rock-rubbing twit? I said I grew tired of one's complexity. I was able to stick it out until the end.

My bad, I misinterpred your statement to mean something else.

You've hawked this fucked-up idea at least twice and the first time, nobody ever accepted it (as far as I remember).

The times before my current Match with Mike I offered to Ref it (and did for one stage) twice, and battled Asi and DL on it once (for one set) each. This is the first time I've actually played past the first Arena.

And out of the three examples you cited, only one of them has been agreed upon by other people.

Bra. Vo.

Your brand of sarcasm aside, you did come up with crazy arenas in the past. So get off the Dragon Roost's case when it's an arena&rule change and not a clusterfuck.

Does ASB need constant things like this? That's your own opinion. I think they're fun cuz they're a different brand than the usual Indigo Plateau, or Calm meadow, or Forest or other bland arenas. Hell even arenas in suburbia are more fun than those. Least then there's a chance for something to happen besides spamming Super-Effective Attacks at each other until someone drops.

I made the Dragon Roost so that it could be something inherently mine, original (your mileage may vary) that drew from one of my interests which happens to be, yes, dragon mythology. Yes I like dragons, I may be annoying for that, your point? You like being a little loudmouth bitch craving attention with your incoherent streams of obscenity flowing from your gaping hole at every opportunity against anything you don't like which makes you annoying as well. If not a complete ass-hat.

No, you need to shut up.

I don't listen to idiots who think they're better than everyone else.

I also made it (and you can start laughing now, cuz I know you will) on the off chance I became a Gym Leader after beating everyone else and it would be my Arena.

*waits for the mocking laughter he knows is coming*

Anyway.

You don't like it. Fine. You don't have to. It's not that complicated, we have made worse, you've MADE worse.

We've also kinda gotten off track of the point here *thread de-railed anyone?*

I was thinking about possible Trainer Ranking and what some rewards could be for having a particular rank, as well as what qualified you for a particular rank.

Beginner Trainer - Obvious, you just started with your team. After completing your first four matches you gain (extra points/Free catch/Evo/Egg/ect)
Advanced - Completed four matches (any combination W-L)
Ace - Completed 10 Matches (20-40% Win Record)
Master - Completed 30 Matches (50-80% Win Record)
Elite - Completed 60+ Matches (90-100%% Win Record)

Anyone else got anything?

[chaos_redefined]

I was thinking about possible Trainer Ranking and what some rewards could be for having a particular rank, as well as what qualified you for a particular rank.

Beginner Trainer - Obvious, you just started with your team. After completing your first four matches you gain (extra points/Free catch/Evo/Egg/ect)
Advanced - Completed four matches (any combination W-L)
Ace - Completed 10 Matches (20-40% Win Record)
Master - Completed 30 Matches (50-80% Win Record)
Elite - Completed 60+ Matches (90-100%% Win Record)

Anyone else got anything?

Sounds reasonable. Does this have a similar reward system to the ref rewards, or have you got something different in mind?

[DarkestLight]

Oh.

Cause the Armors are based off YST and I like doing things like that.

EDIT: Whoa Denz, what?

Beginner Trainer - Obvious, you just started with your team. After completing your first four matches you gain (extra points/Free catch/Evo/Egg/ect)
Advanced - Completed four matches (any combination W-L)
Ace - Completed 10 Matches (20-40% Win Record)
Master - Completed 30 Matches (50-80% Win Record)
Elite - Completed 60+ Matches (90-100%% Win Record)


Who the hell here has 60+ matches completed and a 90-100 win record? That's kinda crazy.I'm batting around 55% and I only have like...30 or so?

[chaos_redefined]

So... Elite doesn't get handed out willy nilly.

Just like Master Ref position. Ceb tried for it a few times and failed, last I heard.

[DarkestLight]

dp WHOO HOO

Ok. The argument aside; complex arenas contribute to the second layer of ASB-that is the spectator. People join here because they see 1) we battle with Pokemon 2) in imaginative settings 3) using all the stuff they already know from the games/anime in a way. Having these complex stages would be daunting from the battlers/ref's point of view, but as Oslo said, the spectators love it.

Drawing a balance is critical, but its not something any of us should get bent out of shape about. And yes-I did ref the Megamix with the Brawl Arenas, and that was actually pretty easy, since I was ignoring hazards. Even though yours has hazards, its not that difficult Denz, I'll admit that. Except that Squirtle round. Shit was aggy.

And Chaos-its not about making it easily I understand the difficulty settings makes people try; but there's difficult and there's impossible.

Who right now can tell me they are anywhere near 75% W/L record wise and are over 50 battles completed. I mean even for the old timers that been here 3+ years, that's steep. That's all I'm saying

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

I don't even know how many battles I've took, let alone a win/lose streak.

[chaos_redefined]

I've reffed a match in ceb's gym. I ooh'd at parts. I ah'd at others. And I rolled this insignificant thing about which move was more effective and which move was less effective. The really weird part is that this is the strategym, where apparently, coming up with strategies is supposed to be more important. Instead, the gym focuses on giving random benefits to players using more sledgehammer-style strategy.

You want something strategic, try this one. Modification of this and the Liar's Damage, presented here.

At the beginning of each round, each player states a number. That is the amount of damage they believe their opponent will be dealt. For example, I might say 20, while DL might say 30. Then, we choose to either accept or deny that damage. I'll accept DL's 30, while DL will deny my 20. The round is then held. There are 4 possible cases
1) I accepted DL's 30. He dealt me less than 30 damage. Therefore, he takes 30 damage and I take 0.
2) I accepted DL's 30, and he dealt 30 or more damage. Therefore, I take 30 damage, and DL takes 0.
3) DL denied my 20, and I dealt him less than 20 damage. I take double 20 damage (40) and DL takes 0.
4) DL denied my 20, and I dealth him 20 damage or more. DL takes however much damage I dealt him.

There you go. Something with actual strategy. Also, the rules stay the same through the entire thing. No random switching.

[DarkestLight]

o.O I like the concept (reminds me of the game on PotC)..but are we talking for your casino idea?

[Blademaster]

You know WHAT, Denny?

.....You're right.

I'll stop arguing this topic. The discussion has moved on, and we're friends anyway. So there's no point in dragging this thing out for any longer. Peace.

[chaos_redefined]

o.O I like the concept (reminds me of the game on PotC)..but are we talking for your casino idea?

I'm just talking for an arena kinda idea. Something different that requires adaption, but the rules are constant. And yes, the game on PotC is one of the links.

If you wanna make it into a casino version, go for it. But, it's currently just a battle idea. In fact, if you don't casino-ize it, i'll use it for a battle.

[chaos_redefined]

Actually... while we are thinking of the casino thing... I'll throw the idea up for discussion here.

As some of you have seen, I mentioned the idea of a casino after ayeun wanted some way for newbies to get points. As I mentioned there, games should have:
1) Some relation to pokemon.
2) Strategy to them. Entirely luck-based is just gonna piss people off.
3) Have some way of divvying up points. Even if it's just 1 person getting lots of points.
4) Few posts per game.

I made a few suggestions: the first was turned down because it wasn't casino-y. The second was turned down because it was too complex. I'm up for ideas, or discussion about the above guidelines.

[RaZoR LeAf]

Items as described above, give an unfair advantage to players who have been around longer. Held items aren't so bad, as we can give a couple to starting players, usable items... not so much.

TMs, same deal. Also, requires significantly more balance concerns.

I imagine they'd be no more unfair than a vet facing a beginner and choosing to use a fully evolved pokemon against their fresh 1st stager. It's all down to 'honour' really. If you're going to be a bastard about it and gang up on the new battler, then nothing is going to stop you.

And how do you suggest we keep track of these contest changes, when the actuall "Cool" "Smart" "Tough" ect doesn't really come into play in the Anime or in our current contests?

OK I stand down, I forgot this point.

Gonna stop you there. While it would be fun to tack on new TM moves to PKMN, it just... GAH makes me head hurt trying to figure out why and how it can learn something outside of the official set. Even with our Regulation in the Approval Tower, Bank Tower, ect, I still don't like it.

I only brought up TMs because it was a suggestion I brought up WAY back when, before RS had even come out. Movepools weren't exactly massive back then.

I wouldn't be against something for the newbies and the veterans on the boards. We tried the Ladder (I glanced in that topic and sad I didn't get a chance to participate in it), so maybe something like Trainer Rankings outside the Ladder and Gym Leaders?

Maybe for the newbies, they're given more points at the end of their first four completed Matches? Maybe Veterans could get something similar to Refs when they finish a certain amount of battles per their rank? Not winning matches, but rather completed matches.

Of course the other option is to do something else entirely crazy... like come up with TPM exclusive PKMN... Or bring back Sig Moves... o.o

Zergling made a suggestion a little like this in the Suggestions topic, though his was more of a rank of ribbons for battles won, etc.

OK, so we forget items and TMs, what about characteristics of pokemon? Not like abilities, but kind of basing things on the pokedex entries or what we know and can guess from the pokemon itself. Like Zubat for example. It has no eyes. Why should it be blinded by Flash or Intimidated by Glare? It's pokedex entry says it uses Sonar to locate things, so should it be able to use Super SOnic to locate things (I suppose you could order this, but it's up to the ref to decide if it's feasible or not). Or Charizard's fire is meant to be able to melt rocks? So give it a boost against Rock types? I can't think of any others right now off the top of my head but I'm sure there are more examples.

Newbies earning more points, hmm. Probably wont get much love, but I recall the old ASB had a writing competition, where you'd have to write out a battle between two or more pokemon. It was judged, and the higher it scored the more points you got. I don't remember the exact details, only the conversation Karin and I had when she was entering it (before I joined ASB, so the REALLY old version of it). If anything it would help people improve their reffing skills, but it could be too fanfic/rpg for people.

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Had a thunk about Pokeathalon too.


Between three and five pokemon take part in a Pokeathalon. There is a round per the number of pokemon that take part. Each round consists of a different event, one that challenges Speed, Power, Skill, Stamina, or Jump (this are the Pokeathalon equivalent of the contest groups, so whether they would be used exactly is up for debate). The events vary, but one event may be for different challenge. The trainer gives three (as standard) commands to the pokemon, which may or may not include normal moves, that will aid them in getting to the end and accomplishing the event to best match the challenge. Attacking your opponent directly will loose you points, but you can use your attacks to disrupt them, by affecting the course. For example:

A short race along a track that's covered in rocks and long grass, the grass it tall enough that you can't see the rocks, and some of the rocks are big enough to trip over a pokemon or even block them altogether. It's against the rules to fly over the grass. It's the Speed challenge, so it's a case of getting to the finish line as fast as possible. Three pokemon are taking part, a Tyrogue, a Pidgey and an Abra.

Trainer 1: Tyrogue, use Foresight so you can see where the small rocks are and dodge them, then use vacuum wave to clear a path through the grass and run through, using Brick Break to smash any large rocks in your way.

Trainer 2: Pidgey, use Gust to blow the grass around so you can move through it easier, and use Tail Wind to give yourself a massive boost! Also, keep making an Uproar as you're flying to distract your opponents.

Trainer 3: Abra, get into the grass first and use Psychic to push the grass forward so it's not hitting you in the face. Use Psychic to throw little rocks out of the way, and use Psychic to levitate yourself over the big ones.

It's up to the Pokeathalon Ref to portray the race, just as they would a battle, or an appeal. At the end they award positions to the pokemon (1st, 2nd, 3rd) and they get points for each one. After Three events take place, the points are added up and the lowest goes out, and the highest then battle as they would in the final stage of a contest.

Thoughts?

[chaos_redefined]

To be fair, a lot of the time, the difference between a fully evolved pokemon and a non-fully evolved pokemon are minimal. Couple of extra moves, maybe. There are some counterexamples, yes, but they aren't the norm. I'd have a much easier time using a more evolved pokemon than I would a pokemon with a dozen tm's on it.

[Oslo]

OK, so we forget items and TMs, what about characteristics of pokemon? Not like abilities, but kind of basing things on the pokedex entries or what we know and can guess from the pokemon itself. Like Zubat for example. It has no eyes. Why should it be blinded by Flash or Intimidated by Glare? It's pokedex entry says it uses Sonar to locate things, so should it be able to use Super SOnic to locate things (I suppose you could order this, but it's up to the ref to decide if it's feasible or not). Or Charizard's fire is meant to be able to melt rocks? So give it a boost against Rock types? I can't think of any others right now off the top of my head but I'm sure there are more examples.

I think we can immediately forget about those special traits mentioned through Pokedex entries, though, such as the whole Charizard melting rocks thing. Really, there's too much headache potential embedded in there. When you take into account Alakazam's inability to forget things (everlasting Mimic?), Magcargo's 18,000 degree body temperature (all living things around it = gone), Machamp's ability to launch 1000 punches in two seconds that send the opponent clear over the horizon (???), Gardevoir's ability to create black holes (yikes, don't get me started)... there would be so many annoying little details to keep track of.

As far as your Zubat example goes, I like the idea, but really, too many loopholes to be exploited. Is Zubat immune to Attract because it can't see its opponent, then? How about Captivate or Teeter Dance? And Hypnosis (which, as the Movelist details, is solely based on sight)? And Double Team (since its soundwaves would obviously not even be able to detect formless clones)? How would a Zubat even be able to fight an intangible opponent such as a Ghastly if its biosonar can't detect the presence of vapour, anyway?

Again, headache potential goes through the roof.

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

I really like you going all the way, guys!

EDIT: Some of these new pokemon look like an awesome asset to my Mineral Team. The new abilities Sand Power and Sand Throw would fit my dessert-arena perfectly.

[chaos_redefined]

Wow... You guys should suggest items/TMs more often. Look at the result.

[Charles Legend]

Oh great I opened Pandora's box... >_>

~Charles Legend

[RaZoR LeAf]

I really like you going all the way, guys!

EDIT: Some of these new pokemon look like an awesome asset to my Mineral Team. The new abilities Sand Power and Sand Throw would fit my dessert-arena perfectly.

Mmmmm.. dessert..

[Mew Master]

I thought MLG could spell better than that O.o

Anyway, on the discussion of Trainer Ranks/rewards and junk.

Okay, so maybe having a 90% Win and over 60 matches may be a bit high, even for those of us who have been here for years. But how else to differenciate between the Higher Ranks between Master and Elite?

The Elite are supposed to be, the best of the best, hard to battle and even harder to defeat. They're supposed to be (in the games at least) Stronger than the Gym Leaders in terms of ability and difficulty.

Another way to determine Trainer Ranks could be by majority. What does the rest of ASB think your Rank should be. Has your battle ability improved over time or are you still using the same odd tactics to little effect? This would have to have input from the Refs as well as the opponents.

There could also be based on how many matches that you've had and finished all the way through. Disqualifications and Forefits wouldn't count towards your total.

[Blademaster]

I thought MLG could spell better than that O.o

This is coming from you.

[Mew Master]

This is coming from you.

Thanks for contributing to the conversation Blade -,-

[Crazy Elf Boy]

With the whole item thing in ASB shouldn't be too much of a problem if it is regulated right. But as with alot of the new stuff it would probably be optional in most matches.

Say if a Potion restores 20% health and takes 1 action to use for the cost of 1 point. Then people might use them quite often in matches but then they have to remember how bad that want to win the match. Like in a 1v1 is it worth 1 point to have a 20% health advantage which might disappear next round.

With Hold items the price would probably be a bit higher maybe 10-15 points, then 20 points for the higher stuff. Like Leftovers maybe since it is basically free health every round.

With TM's maybe they could be used to teach pokemon moves that they usually wouldn't learn, like giving a Blastoise Hypnosis or a Caterpie Hyperbeam. The price of each TM would be dependant on how much they would affect a match. Like maybe String Shot would be worth 1 point while Fissure might be 5 or something.

[chaos_redefined]

TMs have another problem that blade pointed out, and frankly, I agree. It becomes a lot harder to keep track of what moves pokemon have. We are already on the verge of releasing another generation of pokemon, and more importantly, moves.

As for items, I think regulating them is more difficult than you realize.

Next issue: do trainer ranks actually need to care about win rates? Could it just be some ridiculously large number of battles fought?

[RaZoR LeAf]

Has anyone ever thought of using the 'Shadow' Moves from Pokemon XD? Before DP came out, Chris and I put Shadow Rush into the movelist as a basically typeless attack that did standard damage to any type of pokemon. It wouldn't be any more of an effort to keep track of what pokemon learned what move, as they're listed on Bulbapedia anyway.

As for items, I think regulating them is more difficult than you realize

I don't see how it would be. Everytime you earn or spend points, you have to post it in the bank tower. You link to the bank tower when you use the points in any other topic.


Bank Tower
Won 3 points here

Approval Tower
Buying a Giratina
Link

Everytime you buy or use an item, you post it in the 'item tower'. You post a link to the item tower in the thread where you are using the item. All you're adding in is another link to the bank. It's the same process.


Item Tower
Buying a Potion
Bank

Bank Tower
Bought a Potion Here

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Battle Thread
Shadow Ball - Faint Attack - Use a Potion
Link to Item Tower


Item Tower
Using a Potion in this battle

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

What can I say?


Boobies.

[chaos_redefined]

So, what happens if someone uses a potion they don't have?

[Oslo]

Prolly the same thing that would happen if you were to call a Pokemon you don't have into battle. Whatever that is.

[papabopp]

What can I say?


Boobies.

i agree entirely agree with the above statement.

i think items would be pretty east to do but they would be more of a hassle than we need plus the thing is this is ASB. theres no items in the anime really.(in battle at least)
i also think the TM idea is stupid

[Mew Master]

On Trainer Ranks, when I was discussing it with Elf, he made the suggestion of Acheivements to add and can be "cashed" in for points when completed. Like:

"Champion": Defeat all the Gym Leaders.
"Beat down!": Defeat a Gym Leader.
"Gym Work out": Become a Gym Leader.
"Back to the Ranch": Collect 60 Individual Pokemon
"Hardly Trainin'": Evolve four Pokemon using Evo Stones or Ref Rewards
"Trainin' Hard": Evolve Four Pokemon using Battle EXP and Points
"Round Robin:" Fight every current active member of ASB at least once.
"First Hurdle": Fight in and complete your first Battle.
"Level up!": Increase your Rank from Beginner to Advanced.
"Hot Streak": Win 10 Battles in a Row.
"Back to the Drawing Board": Lose 10 Battles in a Row.

Just some ideas. Each Acheivement would have a point-total for it's rank and the Trainer would get those points upon completion OF that Acheivement.

[Blademaster]

So, what happens if someone uses a potion they don't have?

They cheat, and more than likely get away with it.

[RaZoR LeAf]

So, what happens if someone uses a potion they don't have?

The same thing that happens if someone tries to spend points they don't have.

[chaos_redefined]

Considering that the mods check points spent, while refs check potion usage in the above plan, an error is more likely to slip past. From the description given, Blade has it right. Alternatively, the error is noticed after the fact, and some form of retributive change is applied? Or... you expect the ref to check how many potions they have?

I know there's a few attempts to evolve a pokemon that's currently in battle. MLG checks those. The ref would be the one checking item usage. No offense to the refs out there, but chances are, a slip in potion usage is more likely than a slip in pokemon evolution.

[papabopp]

i dont know about the acheivements but i do like the trainer ranks idea kinda

[Oslo]

I'm on board with the Achievements idea. I dunno if we'd even need to trade them in for points, though. A little ribbon you could put on your Vs. Seeker would be enough for me.

[Crazy Elf Boy]

Ok here is my propsed list of achievements, including the ones Mew Master has already made.

Starting out: Collect 10 Individual Pokemon
Getting there: Collect 30 Individual Pokemon
Back to the Ranch: Collect 60 Individual Pokemon
Centurion: Collect 100 Individual Pokemon
Original 151: Obtain the all pokemon from first generation (Besides Legendary)
Johto Photo Finish: Obtain all the pokemon in the second generation (Besides Legendary)
Owning Hoenn: Obtain all the pokemon in the third generation (Besides Legendary)
Going Sinnoh: Obtain all the pokemon in the fourth generation (Besides Legendary)
Pokemon Master: Obtain all pokemon (Besides Legendary)

First Hurdle: Fight in and complete your first Battle
Level up!: Increase your Rank from Beginner to Trainee
Beginner: Win 5 Matches
Trainee: Win 10 Matches
Advanced: Win 15 Matches
Ace: Win 20 Matches
Elite: Win 25 Matches
Master: Win 30 Matches
Victory is Sweet: Win 1 Match
Hot Streak: Win 10 Battles in a Row
Bitter Taste of Defeat: Lose 1 Match
Back to the Drawing Board: Lose 10 Battles in a Row
Round Robin: Fight every current active member of ASB at least once

Champion: Defeat all the Gym Leaders
Beat down!: Defeat a Gym Leader
Gym Work out: Become a Gym Leader

First Time Tourney: Enter a Tournament
Semi-Finalist: Make it to the semi finals in a tournament
Winners are Grinners: Come 1st, 2nd or 3rd in a Tournament

Starting out Co-ordinator: Enter a contest.
Second rounds nerves: Make it to the second round of a contest
Final Round Jitters: Make it to the final round of a contest
First time Winner: Win a Contest
Second time is the charm: Win 2 Contests
Top Co-ordinator: Win 5 Contests

Covering your Bases: Obtain a pokemon of each type
Definitely covering your bases: Fully evolve a pokemon of each type.
Specialist: Obtain 10 pokemon of one type
Hardly Trainin': Evolve four Pokemon using Evo Stones or Ref Rewards
Trainin' Hard: Evolve Four Pokemon using Battle EXP and Points

[chaos_redefined]

Overall, sounds good. But, I have some questions to check up on.

For the "collect X individual pokemon", do they all have to be owned at the same time? Similar for "obtain all pokemon from first gen (besides legendary)". For example, if I have a Venusaur, and it started out as a bulbasaur, but do not own one now, is that ok for obtaining all first gens?

Second, will these be backtracked? for example, can i use my battle against rossy for "First hurdle".

For, round robin, is there a list of all currently active members? (This is the one I have the biggest beef with, since "currently active" is hard to define.)

[Blademaster]

Achievements... Shitty autism idea in video games and now a shitty autism idea in ASB.

I'm clearly outnumbered in this matter, but I'd better not get a bunch of fucking Achievement farmers banging on my door demanding battles left and right.