Quote Originally Posted by Dark Sage View Post
Like I said, Roy, I'm Catholic, I'm Liberal, and I agree with the President on this stupid arguement.

The Catholic church's hardline stance on birth control has never been their most popular belief, btw. I know plenty of Catholics who defy the church and regularly use contraception.
Indeed, plenty of Catholics use contraception, have sex before marriage, and so on ... the old rules for living are largely not followed or taken in any way seriously by most Catholics these days.

Quote Originally Posted by Roy Karrde View Post
That is very true, but by and large many of the Republicans out there share the vast majority of the same ideas, and same beliefs. Thus like Clinton vs Obama, it comes down to personal preference.

Also to get a bit more back on topic, the President has decided to double down on being "Anti Separation of Church and State"

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ratic-retreat/

First lets answer Gillibrand's question, Religiously-affiliated groups don’t claim the power to decide whether women employees should “use” contraception, if they did, we wouldn’t be having a conversation over who should pay for the contraception that their employees use.
I wouldn't say religiously-affiliated groups don't claim such powers. My cousin works for a Catholic school and fell pregnant a few months before her wedding. She was threatened with losing her job, until the powers-that-be (the priest) made the "kind" decision to let her stay since she would be married before the baby was born. But if that weren't the case? No job to return to after maternity leave! Another story from one of her female co-workers: her husband was beating her, so she planned to divorce him. But no, Catholicism cannot have that! She was told if she left her husband they would fire her, because Catholics do not believe in divorce. That's right, they actually prefer a woman to be beaten by her husband than to divorce him and get out of that dangerous environment. She stayed on and did not get a divorce for fear of losing her job.

This kind of stuff happens all the time in first-world, allegedly secular countries, and it is bullshit of the highest order.

Why is Obama's contraception thingo such a big drama? Let it be offered to everyone as a state initiative in all institutions. If they don't agree with contraception personally, guess what ... THEY STILL HAVE THE POWER TO SAY NO. Problem solved.