2012 U.S. Presidential Election

[Roy Karrde]

Yeah the Trump thing was a whole bunch of nothing, now we have Gloria Alread doing her own thing with the Sealed Court Documents. It could be ironic, Obama gained his U.S. Senate Seat largely by the sleazy move of unsealing court documents, now as he possibly loses the Presidency, Gloria Alread is trying to do the same thing for him.

Speaking of losing the Presidency, it seems that the downward spiral is really starting to begin. Fingers are being pointed at Bill Clinton for a bad strategy, word leaks out that Obama is abandoning states, and then they say he isn't. I do wonder if in a few days his staff is going to look at eachother and say "Should we tell the President that he is going to lose?"

Can things change in the next two weeks? Sure, but right now it seems like President Obama is in the final stages of losing.

[Plantae]

Get real, Roy. It's a statistical dead heat at best. Romney may have a little momentum, but he's not rolling downhill anymore.

It's true that certain states are in play for Romney that weren't before, but based on the polling in swing states, Obama still has numerous paths to electoral victory. Especially since no recent polls take into account the spoiling effect of the third party candidates; it would be interesting to see who Gary Johnson pulls more votes from, but my suspicion is that it's more likely to be from Romney than from Obama. Though this may be very difficult to judge. I also doubt that Romney's done enough to dig himself out of his untenable pitch to women and Latinos.

Obama just had a good, if not spectacular performance at the debate. Romney may have appeared to be an adequate commander-in-chief, but he lacked Obama's real-world experience, and it showed in a blustering approach to certain issues. In summary, I'd be surprised if either of them made any real gains out of their performances.

You're right that this next two weeks holds considerable potential. But at this point, it seems to be less about what the candidates say and more about what swings states they say it in.

And Plantae...let's say you hypothetically started a new Werewolf game....I'd so play

I know, I know. But I've tried restarting it several times, and it seems like there isn't enough interest left around here.

[Roy Karrde]

Get real, Roy. It's a statistical dead heat at best. Romney may have a little momentum, but he's not rolling downhill anymore.

When you are slightly in the lead as Romney is now, all you need is a little momentum.

It's true that certain states are in play for Romney that weren't before, but based on the polling in swing states, Obama still has numerous paths to electoral victory.

Paths that are shrinking as swing states are slipping through his grasp.

Especially since no recent polls take into account the spoiling effect of the third party candidates; it would be interesting to see who Gary Johnson pulls more votes from, but my suspicion is that it's more likely to be from Romney than from Obama.

You forget that he isn't the only third party candidate, there is also those like Jill Stein who will pull votes from Obama

Though this may be very difficult to judge. I also doubt that Romney's done enough to dig himself out of his untenable pitch to women and Latinos.

Don't look now Romney is erasing the gender gap.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-poll-romney...-election.html

Obama just had a good, if not spectacular performance at the debate. Romney may have appeared to be an adequate commander-in-chief, but he lacked Obama's real-world experience, and it showed in a blustering approach to certain issues. In summary, I'd be surprised if either of them made any real gains out of their performances.

Last time I checked this isn't 2004, and no one is going to be elected over their foreign policy views. All Romney had to do is make people be assured he would be a good Commander in Chief, he did that.

[Leon-IH]

Don't look now Romney is erasing the gender gap.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-poll-romney...-election.html

Curiously he is also losing the advantage he held with men previously. Romney needs to time his flip flopping so he's supporting the popular side of all the issues to win the election haha.

Obama is doing better in the polls now than a week ago and there's no real opportunity for Romney to make another big leap (and he's got idiots like Mourdock making stupid statements).

Unrelated: Colin Powell has endorsed Obama for a second term.

For those interested in the polls, http://www.electoral-vote.com/ has a pretty good system of covering the latest polling data.

[Dark Sage]

I have to agree with Plantae. The "downward spiral" that the GOP hoped Mr. Obama would experience is wishful thinking at best.

Furthermore, after what Richard Mourdock said, the GOP are clearly not gaining more support among women, and are going to need a miracle to gain control of the Senate.

[Roy Karrde]

I have to agree with Plantae. The "downward spiral" that the GOP hoped Mr. Obama would experience is wishful thinking at best.

And yet you cannot deny that the finger pointing has begun, or that they are threatening to pull out of swing states.

Furthermore, after what Richard Mourdock said, the GOP are clearly not gaining more support among women, and are going to need a miracle to gain control of the Senate.

So you are just going to ignore the poll on Romney erasing the Gender Gap?

[Dark Sage]

No, Roy, I'm going to ignore YOU from this point.

The GOP keeps saying horrible things, and you won't even address them. You focus on the good things they do, but are silent on the atrocious things that they are saying.

When Mr. Obama wins on the 6th, maybe you'll finally accept defeat. I doubt that folks like you will believe that Romney has any chance to lose before he actually does.

[Oslo]

Don't look now Romney is erasing the gender gap.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-poll-romney...-election.html

@ how you say Obama "is in the final stages of losing" and then, less than twelve hours later, cite an article that describes the race as "a virtual dead heat."

[Roy Karrde]

@ how you say Obama "is in the final stages of losing" and then, less than twelve hours later, cite an article that describes the race as "a virtual dead heat."

Because National Polls, many of which have Romney ahead =/= State Polls? Like I said, a winning campaign does not point fingers, does not pull out of swing states, and surely does not go extremely negative.

Also @Magmar and Dark Sage

Here is more info on the Florida story.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Flo...z/-/index.html

[Dark Sage]

I condemn this action that was done in Florida, regardless of who is behind it.

Along with every case of voter fraud in the article that I posted a link to.

My question to Roy is...

Do you?

[Roy Karrde]

I condemn this action that was done in Florida, regardless of who is behind it.

Along with every case of voter fraud in the article that I posted a link to.

My question to Roy is...

Do you?

Of course, when did this become a silly pissing match of "Do you condemn this"?