Same-Sex Marriage

[GR-Gligar]

you could always blow me =)

[Mew2K]

Wow. I can't beleive some of the people here. First, let me say that i am a heterosexual male. I don't know any gay people, but I do know a closet bisexual. I think it's just sick that people can't understand one another anymore. *sighs*

Has anyone here read Uncle Tom's Cabin before? I personally see no difference between being born into slavery and being born gay. You have no choice on either matter. When Abe Lincoln made slavery illegal, hundreds and thousands of peolpe thought it was horrible. The same thing is happening now. Grr...

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING GAY!!!

[Blink4JC]

First off: you all are so into equal rights for everyone and how everyone should be treated equally but then you just flame the heck outta me for posting my opinions and teachings.
Second off: i was gay in a sense that I lusted after men for a period of time and it was almost hell itself, but through praying and trying and personal psychology (I'm studying to be a psychiatrist, despite what y'all think of me) I have weened myself off of the men and now I only lust after women and it gives just as much enjoyment.
Third off: I'm sorry I was born in the deep south and actually believe in something that was taught to me. I believe in the Bible wholeheartedly and nothing y'all can say about your hippocracy (bashing me for disagreeing with something when y'all just come and bash me more) can change the views I have been taught for 17 years.
Fourth: someone said that if we obeyed the Bible we would all be marrying our siblings. They only did that in Genesis when they 'had' to, later on in the Bible (such as Leviticus) it blatantly mentions for approximately 15 verses how incest is an abomination/sin.
Fifth: Whoever said I misspelled marriage doesn't understand the concept of typos, when I spelled it correctly about three times later on.
Sixth: The book Leviticus in the Bible was written with the purpose of describing the act of worship and to explain the majority of abominations, which are considered sins in the eyes of God. The talk of sacrificial animal offerings in the first part of the book are currently still used in a differnt form: money. If anyone would actually go to church here they would know most, if not all, churches take up money offerings every service.
Seventh: The purpose of Christianity is to get everyone to a better place after death where they will live eternally, you just have to follow a few rules to get there and the life is so much better and so much longer.
Eighth: The Old Testament was written before Jesus was on this earth, but after Jesus came and died, the tables were somewhat turned and the rules were less lenient because you could easily repent your sins (Jesus gave us all that capability), but yet in Romans (the New Testament), Homosexuality is still mentioned to be a sin. But it is still a sin and all you have to do to get back in God's good graces and get to heaven is to repent (which involves trying to change what you did to repent for).

I just wish the world was more hardcore Christian nowadays, talking to all of you almost makes me depressed how few good Christians there are left in the world today. Parents should get involved in a church and push Christianity more in the homes than they have been lately.

[The Rusted One]

Originally posted by Blink4JC
First off: you all are so into equal rights for everyone and how everyone should be treated equally but then you just flame the heck outta me for posting my opinions and teachings.

Wrong. We are tolerant of tolerance, and intolerant of intolerance. We would have accepted your opinions if you hadn't be so offensive and downright bigotted about them.
Besides, remember that little thing about you not caring if you got flamed, because you don't come here often anyway?

Second off: i was gay in a sense that I lusted after men for a period of time and it was almost hell itself, but through praying and trying and personal psychology (I'm studying to be a psychiatrist, despite what y'all think of me) I have weened myself off of the men and now I only lust after women and it gives just as much enjoyment.

How can being true to yourself be hell - unless you aren't living your life for you, but are trying to live up to someone else's expectations, or the expectations of you according to a book?
Weaned yourself off men? You mean, denied your true self and are now living a false life.

Third off: I'm sorry I was born in the deep south and actually believe in something that was taught to me. I believe in the Bible wholeheartedly and nothing y'all can say about your hippocracy (bashing me for disagreeing with something when y'all just come and bash me more) can change the views I have been taught for 17 years.

Refer to my response to your first point. We're not hypocrites; we are intolerant of nothing but intolerance, and those who are guilty of it.
Also, just because we don't believe what you say doesn't mean we don't believe anything - and perhaps you shouldn't be apologising for coming from the south, but for being so religiously elistist, psuedo-superior, and blatantly intolerant.

Fourth: someone said that if we obeyed the Bible we would all be marrying our siblings. They only did that in Genesis when they 'had' to, later on in the Bible (such as Leviticus) it blatantly mentions for approximately 15 verses how incest is an abomination/sin.

Right now, I'm going to steal one of my friends' thunder, and follow in the footsteps of others who have pointed out other aspects of the bible that have been totally overlooked - see the following link.

http://www.ilovebacon.com/061202/h.shtml

Fifth: Whoever said I misspelled marriage doesn't understand the concept of typos, when I spelled it correctly about three times later on.

You mean, like the rest of us, you also make mistakes? Nooooo...aren't you concerned that maybe we are corrupting your innocent and pure soul?

Sixth: The book Leviticus in the Bible was written with the purpose of describing the act of worship and to explain the majority of abominations, which are considered sins in the eyes of God. The talk of sacrificial animal offerings in the first part of the book are currently still used in a differnt form: money. If anyone would actually go to church here they would know most, if not all, churches take up money offerings every service.

Animals are animals. Money is not. The collection plate, as far as I know, is a donation to fund church activities; while I've never been to church, that much seems obvious, at least.
Also, you should go back and read that link I gave again; you can't slaughter money and do everything else that seems to be necessary for it to be a good sacrifice.

Seventh: The purpose of Christianity is to get everyone to a better place after death where they will live eternally, you just have to follow a few rules to get there and the life is so much better and so much longer.

No, the purpose of christianity is to worship a creator god. And the man people say was his son.
But let's say that you're right; why is it that you believe you're right, and Buddhists, who believe that reincarnation is reality (and, in effect, eternal life), and that if you live well, you reach a higher level that is so much better than this eternal life? Or why not believe that by living three times a virtuous life, you were granted access to the Isles of the Blessed, as the Ancient Greeks did?

Eighth: The Old Testament was written before Jesus was on this earth, but after Jesus came and died, the tables were somewhat turned and the rules were less lenient because you could easily repent your sins (Jesus gave us all that capability), but yet in Romans (the New Testament), Homosexuality is still mentioned to be a sin. But it is still a sin and all you have to do to get back in God's good graces and get to heaven is to repent (which involves trying to change what you did to repent for).

So, because you can shirk the responsibility for your actions, the rules were made more strict? What for? I mean, no matter what the rules, if you wanted to break them and then apologise, and make it all better, you'd do it - and being able to do so, in fact, would encourage people to act badly.
In fact, I'd be willing to bet that this change in view you speak of about the rules, etc., was actually an excuse to make it so that people could have faults and not be at risk, in their beliefs, of going to hell. I mean, people act badly, no matter what they believe; only now that they can apologise and it will be okay, they're going to do it with no guilt.

I just wish the world was more hardcore Christian nowadays, talking to all of you almost makes me depressed how few good Christians there are left in the world today. Parents should get involved in a church and push Christianity more in the homes than they have been lately.

I would say the same about Evolution and Atheism, but you know, I'm not a fanatic. The world can be a mixture of beliefs, and people should be able to choose for themselves; that is, as long as people like YOU don't try to force their beliefs down other people's throats. But we both know that that's never going to happen.

[123LTJ]

Originally posted by Blink4JC
First off: you all are so into equal rights for everyone and how everyone should be treated equally but then you just flame the heck outta me for posting my opinions and teachings.

No, we "flame the heck outta" you for posting things that are offensive and hate-filled. I can see you being one of those people that picket the funerals of gay teens. The fact is, you've basically told all of us that we are going to hell. Can you see how that might not go over too well? I personally know that only God Himself can oversee who does and doesn't get into heaven, and I have no say in it. I'd appreciate not dictating the afterlife of people you've never met from now on.

Second off: i was gay in a sense that I lusted after men for a period of time and it was almost hell itself, but through praying and trying and personal psychology (I'm studying to be a psychiatrist, despite what y'all think of me) I have weened myself off of the men and now I only lust after women and it gives just as much enjoyment.

Honestly, you can trick your mind into anything. You studying psychology and all, I'm sure you realize this. It doesn't make it true. You can force yourself to see red as green with enough practice and/or hypnosis, or other various mind techniques. Just because you've "trained" yourself to be straight doesn't make it your true self. I hope you can realize this at some point.

Third off: I'm sorry I was born in the deep south and actually believe in something that was taught to me. I believe in the Bible wholeheartedly and nothing y'all can say about your hippocracy (bashing me for disagreeing with something when y'all just come and bash me more) can change the views I have been taught for 17 years.

And I'm sorry you were raised in the deep south and were raised to believe whatever you're told, without thinking for yourself. Do you disagree with me saying that the Bible was written by people, not God directly, and that it may have been falsified somewhere in there or in the concurrent translations thereafter? Please, I'd like to know.

Sixth: The book Leviticus in the Bible was written with the purpose of describing the act of worship and to explain the majority of abominations, which are considered sins in the eyes of God. The talk of sacrificial animal offerings in the first part of the book are currently still used in a differnt form: money. If anyone would actually go to church here they would know most, if not all, churches take up money offerings every service.

I believe you're refferring to tithing, which means you give 10% of your income to the church. Since this is mentioned later in the Bible, with no statement of replacing the sacrafice, this arguement can be thrown out. Plus, I'm not sure if God would appreciate the sight of money's blood, or enjoy its smell while it burns upon the altar.

Eighth: The Old Testament was written before Jesus was on this earth, but after Jesus came and died, the tables were somewhat turned and the rules were less lenient because you could easily repent your sins (Jesus gave us all that capability), but yet in Romans (the New Testament), Homosexuality is still mentioned to be a sin. But it is still a sin and all you have to do to get back in God's good graces and get to heaven is to repent (which involves trying to change what you did to repent for).

Really? I thought Jesus came to the earth to relieve all of us from our sins. I didn't know that all Jesus did for us was give us the gift of repentance. Please tell me the verse in Romans that gives you this point of view, and I will gladly shoot it down for you.

I just wish the world was more hardcore Christian nowadays, talking to all of you almost makes me depressed how few good Christians there are left in the world today. Parents should get involved in a church and push Christianity more in the homes than they have been lately.

I agree, there are a lot of hypocritical Christians out there who preach God's love and tolerance, but turn around and show extraordinary amounts of hate and anger towards people. Please tell me that your southern upbringings at least taught you to recognize irony.

[Almond]

Using "God" as an argument here should be banned, since there's no proof as to whether he exists or not.

Sixth: The book Leviticus in the Bible was written with the purpose of describing the act of worship and to explain the majority of abominations, which are considered sins in the eyes of God.

Funny how people like you ignore the things you don't want to follow, huh?

[The Muffin Man]

Homosexuality is wrong. Yes, I, myself, was gay, but I BECAME UNGAY!
~Being gay is not like being whiny. You can't just stop...

I'm currently straight, beleive it or not. I almost made myself become straight because of my religion and family and my teachings. The Bible is here to TEACH us. Those who keep saying to think for yourself--how do you learn in school? Reading and being taught to by those things that are meant to instruct, such as the Bible.
~Actually, in school we're told PROVEN FACTS. Things that people have written down and preserved for only abotu 150 years usually at the most. What about the bible? We're made to believe that over 2000 years, not one ideal has changed. Not one THING has changed...

Someone said that they are Christian and then Bible allows gay marriages, well then read Leviticus 18:22 AND Romans 1:26-27. It says that homosexuality is wrong. Now I'm not saying it's a choice, I once was gay and didn't choose that way, I see it more of a curable disorder.

~Disorder? Excuse me, but a "Disorder" does NOT involve a choice...

People don't choose to be autistic, either, or ADD, or Fugue disorders, but some mental disorders, such as MPD and OCD can be cured. Homosexuality and Bisexuality SHOULD be qualified as Sexuality Disorders. It's not a choice, but it is curable. The Bible clearly states that it's wrong more than once.
~Doesn't it also mention NUMEROUS contradictions?

Most of you heathens are going to hell because you think you're too smart to be taught, you must make your own wrong conclusions instead of the definite ones set out by the Bible. I don't care if I'm terribly flamed by this or not cuz I rarely post, but homosexuality is wrong and a bunch of people suffering from it can't change that. Marriage was meant for procreation, and males cannot procreate and neither can women. MARRIAGE AND SEX WERE MEANT FOR PROCREATION. Bottom Line: Homosexual Marriages = Wrong!

You know, the first part of the first sentence brought an interesting point up.

That point is that you're an idiot. Hear that? Yeah, it's your argument. It died. It's pretty hard to sustain life with ALL THOSE HOLES...

Now, I must quote the reason Misty wishes to have my man-babies.

Originally posted by me.


Looking over the last couple of pages, 2 things may be said: Either homosexuality is a human only sin because we've "turned our backs on God", or that homosexuality is natural.

The first statement will lead to people claiming it's true. Congradulations, you agreed with Evolution, that monkies became humans over millions of years. How? Because if only humans can be gay, that means monkies were our earlier stages, as monkeys DEFINETLY show signs of homosexuality.

The bird-nuzzling doesn't count. That's just cute.
*insert AWWWWWW here*

The second leads to homosexuality NOT being a sin, as it is naturally occuring. Murder doesn't happen naturally. Most of the sins are REALLY BAD choices. Not naturally occuring.

Good game, Religion. I win.

TMM - 10.
Religion - 0.

[Bleeding Blue]

Originally posted by Mister Myuu
Tell you what, here's an "assaignment" for the both of you. I want you to go out and meet someone who is homosexual and have a civilized conversation with them. I want you to determine if being gay makes someone less human, like it seems you believe. After looking at them in an unprejudiced, unbiased light, I want to to come back to this thread and attempt to tell me you think homosexuals are beneath you simply because of their choice of lifestyle. Unless you don't do this with an open mind, I doubt you'll be anti-gay anymore.

I can honestly say that if i was somewhere with people meeting new people and met someone gay, I wouldnt treat him any differently. I would tell him my name shake his hand and that would be it. I wouldnt spend the night hanging out with him because it wouldnt be uncomfertable but I dont think they are beneath me just because of their sexual preference. I just dont think its right.

And for saying people like me and vega are evil is in a way contradicting your self. You're telling us that thinking this way is wrong. we say homosexuality is wrong and you go on about how we are wrong.
What makes it wrong thinking the way we do? NOTHING
Whats wrong with Homosexuality? NOTHING. I just dont believe it it.

Its sort of like a rival school. Sometimes theres not always a reason you dislike them. you just do.

[Kadabra790]

Let same-sex marriages be legal. They aren't hurting anyone, yes? The gays have given a lot to society, at least throw them a bone and do this.

Ok, I'm glad I'm Jewish. The Jews are far more tolerant towards gays then Christians. Not to say Judism is the best, or anything. (Nor do we push Judism on people...)

And about the gay choice or gene, quoting Bill Maher:
"Do you go to high school and say 'Hm, how can I get beat up more?'?!"

I think that summarizes that issue nicely.


*editeditfixfix*
Now, I said I was jewish. I still eat ham and shellfish, and not go to temple every friday. How can this be? I'm a Reformed Jew. I honestly do not feel like explaining anything, and I think it is good if people use Google to learn things.
I know gay Jews, and they are not frowned upon by other Jews. Jews have come a long why from the Bible. Now there are three types of Jews. Reformed, Conversative, and Orthodox. The Orthodox, unlike the first two, are extreme in their religion, and will not even use cars on the Sabbath. They will be the ones who dislike gays. The Reformed Jews, and most Conversative, will just not care. We're all just people in the end, folks!

[The Rusted One]

Originally posted by Bleeding Blue
I can honestly say that if i was somewhere with people meeting new people and met someone gay, I wouldnt treat him any differently. I would tell him my name shake his hand and that would be it. I wouldnt spend the night hanging out with him because it wouldnt be uncomfertable but I dont think they are beneath me just because of their sexual preference. I just dont think its right.

While you aren't saying that you hate gay people, the fact remains that you aren't prepared to move past this slight discomfort around them enough to realise that you needn't feel that way about them. You're seeing them as gay and that's it - the problem with that is that someone who is gay is only different if you make them different. If you see them as gay and only gay, then that's what they are - but if you see them being gay as just another part of who they are, much the same as you being straight, then it remains something in the background. I don't see you seeing a straight person as straight and that's it; you see them as a person who happens to be straight, but by no means does it dictate what you say to them. In fact, you probably don't give it any thought at all. So why is it such an issue when it comes to people who aren't straight?

And for saying people like me and vega are evil is in a way contradicting your self. You're telling us that thinking this way is wrong. we say homosexuality is wrong and you go on about how we are wrong.
What makes it wrong thinking the way we do? NOTHING
Whats wrong with Homosexuality? NOTHING. I just dont believe it it.

We don't think you're evil; we think you're prejudiced and bigotted. Thinking that someone is lesser than you because of something as inconsequential to you as this is wrong; having an opinion isn't, but only if it isn't a negative one to anyone based on ignorance and prejudice.

Its sort of like a rival school. Sometimes theres not always a reason you dislike them. you just do.

Rivals tend to try to best each other, and prove that they're the better of the pair. You not liking gay and lesbian people isn't about besting them; it's about you not being willing to view them as the same as you.

[Pidgeot]

I would just liike to reiterate what alot of people have said by saying that there is no way of changing who you are. Your sexual preference is detirmined at birth. You cannot change it. Its not a gene, there is no scientific way to explain it. Its just something your born with.

I do believe in same-sex marriages. I have nothing against people who are gay. If two people love each other, wether they are gay or straight, they should be able to make it official via marriage.

[Almond]

And for saying people like me and vega are evil is in a way contradicting your self. You're telling us that thinking this way is wrong. we say homosexuality is wrong and you go on about how we are wrong.

I'm sick of that argument. You act like there's no difference between being homosexual and being homophobic, when in fact there's a huge difference. By being homosexual, one does not hurt anybody. However, by being a homophobe, you do hurt people - either by committing hate crimes or, if you're not violent, by saying we don't have the right to marry the people we love.

Don't even try and say that your hate is equivalent to my love.

[Shadow Trainer Ash]

I'm very sorry to say this, but by some of you people's incredibly SICK comments about how homosexuality is a disguting thing, and how you wouldn't even want to BEFRIEND one, I'm quite honestly happy to say that I'm not at all religious. I'm both Christian and Jewish, and never have read a religious book of either. I've never once been to a church or temple in my entire life except to watch a friend get baptized. And thankfully, I'm very happy I'm this way.

Homosexuality is something to be RESPECTED. How would you feel, if you were one of the only straight people in this world, and people were telling you that you HAVE to be gay, and shouldn't be allowed to fulfill yourself with happiness by getting married to someone you truely love? I think it's utterly disgusting, sick, and twisted that somebody would let a BOOK (please, do not flame me over this) stop someone from marrying someone they love with all their heart and would do anything for. Besides, I'm sure you've seen movies. Boy sees girl. Boy falls in love with girl. So on, so forth. Well, isn't one of the morals of that "little story" supposed to show its audience that love has no boundaries? Love is said to have no face, so shouldn't that also occur with gender? It's wrong to say that homosexuality is sick, and try to force on others that that's a true statement. They're people. Just like us, only they prefer to love the same gender. They can't help who they love, just like straights can't help who they love.

Besides, for you all "I'm good because I'm religious" blah blah people, if God thought that homosexuals shouldn't have the same rights as hetrosexuals, then why the hell did he create them in the first place?

Last year at school, I recall my friend telling me about a discussion about homosexuality in which occured during her math class. She agrees fully with my opinions, but decided to keep quiet on the discussion because of the critism which would come out at her because of her opinions. Dain, a boy in her class, clearly stood up to everybody in this class and expressed his opinions on how everybody is equal, considering we all have feelings, bleed, and breath. But what did he get out of this action? He got insulted, tormented, beat up after school, and was automatically considered gay. And why? Because he had an OPINION which expressed how he felt others deserved to have rights, no matter how different they are.

I mean, saying you hate homosexuals is just as prejudiced as saying you hate someone just because they're Asian. Come on, they're PEOPLE. They have feelings.

But what made me FUME was this "little" comment I found.

Originally posted by Bleeding Blue
And regarding to another post about your best friend being gay, I wouldnt be his friend. The very thought actually make me sick. I dont know anyone that is gay and Im glad to say that


You say being homosexual is inhuman? Well, you know what I say to that? People like YOU are considered inhuman to me. Just to even THINK that there are people out there like you, who look down on people like that, makes me so sick I could just die right now after spitting at your shoes. I accept your opinion that you think it's wrong, but to say that... this makes me even sadder that I live in this pathetic world. Everything is in chaos, and never, I think, will everyone ever be considered equal. Us humans... we're so ignorant, we can't even accept our own RACE. Just how sad is that? I mean, if you look at how some animals cooperate, you'll see how stupid we actually are compared to them.

[Shadow Trainer Ash]

Sorry to double post, but I have another comment I'd like to add for bleeding Blue.

What if your child ended up being a homosexual?

Would you just abandon him or her? Would you disown them? Just the thought of this is making me sick...

[Kadabra790]

You know, obviously gays have some purpose. They've been around for hundreds, maybe thousands, of years. In some times and places it was a crime to be gay. The Nazis went after them. Yet despite the death and prosecution, gays are still around today. Now, tell, me. If gays are so inhuman and immoral and just horrible, and something that displeases God, then why are they still around? Truly they must have some purpose than to be ridiculed and classed as being horrible.

[MechanicalChaser]

i put yes, they should be able to do so, if not, why? I know many many people don't aprove of even gay people, let alone marriges! But, they need aq good reson, & honestly, they can't do a good one, if its just "its not natural, why should they do it?" first of all, everthing is natural, not one thing isn't a chemical waste plant is natural, because we are all a part of nature, this entore world is a giant piece of 100% pure nature! nothing artificial, because all thats artifical in the natural world, comes from natural things, which is still technacally natural, as it still comes from nature, & there is no non-natural action of lifestyle, a non-natural lifestyle would be something that hasn't been done yet, but when it does, it becomes one, so the first gay couple was natural! Another thing, why would anyone care about someone elses life, that has not, will not, or do anything to affect your own? so why not have same-sex marriges legal? there is no good reason, thats why so many people are just waiting for the chance.

have i made my point?

[Crazy]

GAH! Being gay is not fricken natural! But people should not make fun of gays because of that.Sheesh

[123LTJ]

Originally posted by Crazy
GAH! Being gay is not fricken natural! But people should not make fun of gays because of that.Sheesh

HOW is it not natural? 1/10 of the people in the world are gay/bisexual. Only 1/50 are redheads. Does that make being a redhead unnatural? Please, educate me.

[Crazy]

Oh sorry now that I look at that it does't sound like what I meant for it to sound like I am sorry.What I meant was it isn't normal but people shouldn't be jerks and jackasses just because it isn't normal.

[Kadabra790]

That's human nature, to pick on those that they deem are physically or mentally inferior. Even though most of those people don't deserve to be picked on. Heck, some gays are very rich and famous. Siegfried and Roy, Nathan Lane, Harvey Fierstein....

[The Rusted One]

Originally posted by 123LTJ
HOW is it not natural? 1/10 of the people in the world are gay/bisexual. Only 1/50 are redheads. Does that make being a redhead unnatural? Please, educate me.

Wow, I knew I was a rarity, but 1/50? I didn't the odds were that little.

Anyway, "normal" is subjective; it depends on who you ask for what "normal" is. There is no TRUE normal, there are only general states of being that occur most that people expect to exist; that doesn't make them normal, however. Being straight is no more normal than being gay - it's just far more common.

The only way to get a proper sense of "normal" is to ask individuals what their sense of "normality" is - ask a straight person if being straight is what they regard as being "normal" to them, and they will say, "yes". Ask a gay person the same question but with "straight" replaced with "gay", and they will say "yes", also. A person who regards something as abnormal will not be that something - if it's abnormal to them, it's unnatural to them, and they cannot live anyway other than how they naturally would, be it with someone of the opposite gender, or the same.

Whatever you are, you're normal for you - if you were to be any different, and knew it wasn't the way you should be, you'd be abnormal.

As said above, I have red hair; am I abnormal? Someone else may think that I am, because of the basic rarity of people who share the same hair colour as me - but to me, I'm normal. If I was to (naturally) have brown hair, I'd also think I was normal - as that would be me. Same as if a straight person was straight, they'd regard themselves as normal within themselves, and if they were gay rather than straight, they'd feel equally normal within themselves. It isn't up to everyone else to decide whether they're normal or not; it's up to them.

[Deck Knight]

Originally posted by Dark Nidoknight
Im bisexual, may the mindless homophobic religious fanatics flame me. Same-sex marriage should be allowed, who are you to tell people they cannot love whom they love?

Oh yes, and to all those people who keep saying "Homosexuality is evil because the Bible says so": The Bible was written long ago when reproduction was absolutly vital to humanity. Now, there are billions and billions of us, so who cares if a few of us do not reproduce and create more humans. Plus, not everyone follows your precious book. I sure don't.

And to all those who say it is a choice: No, it is not. I am not exactly sure if it is an actuall gene or something that just develops as you grow.

One small correction. You can LOVE whoever you want, love is free(but not cheap if you're a prostitute, O_O). You just can't MARRY them. You could however, have as many gay sex romps as you please. I don't condone that behavoir, but technically I can't control your life.

[Deck Knight]

Originally posted by geoff
I like how Bush and the Pope are taking such a strong stand against same-sex marriages, but did nothing of that extremity when preists were (and still are) raping young boys. Yeah, their priorities are SO straight.

This makes me sick. Christianity currently makes me sick to my stomach. But that's just because so many Christians interpret it oddly. I applaud 123LTJ for his most recent post here. Christians can be so hypocritical that it makes me want to smack them all to their senses. **READ: Please don't take any offense if you happen to be Christians. I don't mean to hurt anybody in saying that, I'm just stating my current feelings. I truly am sorry if anyone gets offended.**

But getting away from the religious part of this... Blink4JC- you are so wrong. Like TRO said, that's not 'ungay'. You'll always be gay inside, no matter what you make ppl think. You're bisexual, and there's nothing wrong with that. Yet you've forced yourself to believe there is

You talk about hypocracy, even if the guy was an idiot, its foolhardy for you to tell him that he cannot become straight because he was once gay. Or maybe he's bi? Who knows, who cares? I don't see what the big deal is. Its just marraige. Whats next, gays will want to become preists too? Or maybe they won't stop untill we have a gay pope.

Look, I don't care about any other church but me own. The Protestant churches can do whatever the hell they like, the Catholic Church should NEVER allow Gay Marraige. But since Protestantism is a deviation from the original teachings of Christ, Martin Luther didn't like some things, so he posted a sign on a door and made his own religion with slight deviations. And of course, entropyt continues and it may now deviate to allowing Gay Marraige, after 2,000 years of teachings against it. My suggestion to Protestants: If you don't want gay marraige, convert to Catholicism. WE won't allow that sort of deviance from whats been taught since the beginning of time.

Remember, it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, or Amy and Eve. Meh. Not in the Catholic Church, thats all I care about. If the Protestants allow it, well, they've been deviating since the Middle Ages.

[woz]

Originally posted by 123LTJ
1/10 of the people in the world are gay/bisexual.

i'd love to see your sources for this information...

i'm not bothered about this subject really, for i am neither gay or religious, so i'm quite content to sit on the sidelines and leave them to it..although i would like to see a conclusion to this argument, i doubt we'll see one for many years...(until religion is obsolete, as i feel we'll find some proof...not in the near future of course)

[The Muffin Man]

Originally posted by Deck Knight
You talk about hypocracy, even if the guy was an idiot, its foolhardy for you to tell him that he cannot become straight because he was once gay. Or maybe he's bi? Who knows, who cares?
~Being gays not like being whiny, like I said. You don't "realize a flaw" and change. He's in denial.
I don't see what the big deal is. Its just marraige. Whats next, gays will want to become preists too? Or maybe they won't stop untill we have a gay pope.
~Why can't they? Are you saying gays are NOT equal?

Look, I don't care about any other church but me own. The Protestant churches can do whatever the hell they like, the Catholic Church should NEVER allow Gay Marraige. But since Protestantism is a deviation from the original teachings of Christ, Martin Luther didn't like some things, so he posted a sign on a door and made his own religion with slight deviations. And of course, entropyt continues and it may now deviate to allowing Gay Marraige, after 2,000 years of teachings against it. My suggestion to Protestants: If you don't want gay marraige, convert to Catholicism. WE won't allow that sort of deviance from whats been taught since the beginning of time.
~DK, Those rules were written 2000 years ago...IN THE FREAKING DARK AGES, DUDE!

Remember, it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, or Amy and Eve.
~You know that one line killed all your credibility
Meh. Not in the Catholic Church, thats all I care about. If the Protestants allow it, well, they've been deviating since the Middle Ages.

[Solution]

Before I post, let me say that I am very tempted to post something controversial(sp), simply because its funny how you get a rack of replies saying "lolrz j00r opinion inst vlaid!!1".

I'm catholic and I'm taught that engaging in any homosexual act is wrong. I'm not sure if I always believe that or not. I'm all for legalizing gay marriages. It doesn't affect me anyways. I have to admit that I feel uncomfortable around gay men though, because I'm afraid that they might hit on me, ._.

[kw0ffz0r]

I'm not gay, but I think all people whom are homosexual and have physical and mental attraction to someone of the same gender should be allowed to marry one another, and spend their life together.

No, it's not "normal". But if it wasn't supposed to be allowed, it would not happen like that. Everyone acts like they can control their sexual feelings towards people of their gender, but you know what, they can't.

So treat them like they are normal people, not weird because they love someone of the same gender. That's like treating people with mental disabilities differently because they are less fortunate than us.

Give them a break, you ****ing hypocrites.

And it's funny someone like Vega disapproves marriage of people of his same sexuality.

haha, played.

[geoff]

Originally posted by Deck Knight
You talk about hypocracy, even if the guy was an idiot, its foolhardy for you to tell him that he cannot become straight because he was once gay. Or maybe he's bi? Who knows, who cares? I don't see what the big deal is. Its just marraige. Whats next, gays will want to become preists too? Or maybe they won't stop untill we have a gay pope.

Look, I don't care about any other church but me own. The Protestant churches can do whatever the hell they like, the Catholic Church should NEVER allow Gay Marraige. But since Protestantism is a deviation from the original teachings of Christ, Martin Luther didn't like some things, so he posted a sign on a door and made his own religion with slight deviations. And of course, entropyt continues and it may now deviate to allowing Gay Marraige, after 2,000 years of teachings against it. My suggestion to Protestants: If you don't want gay marraige, convert to Catholicism. WE won't allow that sort of deviance from whats been taught since the beginning of time.

Remember, it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, or Amy and Eve. Meh. Not in the Catholic Church, thats all I care about. If the Protestants allow it, well, they've been deviating since the Middle Ages.

... 'was once gay.' <--- Makes no sense, as is impossible.

And FYI, there's now a gay bishop. That close enough to a priest for ya? =P I don't see what the big deal is. Gay... straight... it's just a preference.

The Bible was written HOW long ago? Back then, gay= no offspring= senseless act= bad= sin. Nowadays, I'd say less than 5% of all sexual acts result in offspring. Are all those acts sins, too? No? Oh, that's right. Less people are dying, so it's okay. If the Bible had been written today, nowhere in it would say that homosexuality/homosexual acts was/were a sin. Do you understand that? No? Oh, well you must be one of those people who blindly follow everything the Bible says instead of making up your own opinions about things. (And the whole "whats been taught since the beginning of time" crap is bull****. I'm pretty sure Christianity wasn't around during the reign of Cleopatra.)

It's sad... gays are treated so similar to the way blacks were treated in the early/mid 1900s. And where did that stem from? Slavery. Why? Well, I'm pretty sure the Bible mentions slavery and says it's okay so... why not? If you don't see what I'm getting at, you need help.

[kw0ffz0r]

Originally posted by geoff
... 'was once gay.' <--- Makes no sense, as is impossible.

And FYI, there's now a gay bishop. That close enough to a priest for ya? =P I don't see what the big deal is. Gay... straight... it's just a preference.

The Bible was written HOW long ago? Back then, gay= no offspring= senseless act= bad= sin. Nowadays, I'd say less than 5% of all sexual acts result in offspring. Are all those acts sins, too? No? Oh, that's right. Less people are dying, so it's okay. If the Bible had been written today, nowhere in it would say that homosexuality/homosexual acts was/were a sin. Do you understand that? No? Oh, well you must be one of those people who blindly follow everything the Bible says instead of making up your own opinions about things. (And the whole "whats been taught since the beginning of time" crap is bull****. I'm pretty sure Christianity wasn't around during the reign of Cleopatra.)

It's sad... gays are treated so similar to the way blacks were treated in the early/mid 1900s. And where did that stem from? Slavery. Why? Well, I'm pretty sure the Bible mentions slavery and says it's okay so... why not? If you don't see what I'm getting at, you need help.

He just explained why the bible is not to be followed. =)

[Blink4JC]

This post is going to be short and sweet and lose what any possible grain of respect I may have had, but I don't care seeing as I actually have a life and have fun and don't live online.
Anywayz, believe it or not guys, the cast system still exists. It's been around almost since the dawn of time and still exists today, less than it had been before but its still there and always will be as long as humans have egos, which will always happen. Get used to it, its human nature to have confidence and think that some other groups of people are inferior to you. Don't y'all even tell me that y'all are open to all people, me as a perfect example. Y'all label me the idiot, which shows that y'all think y'all are better than me. I think y'all are losers and wrong, so I think I'm better than some (not all) of y'all becuase we have a great difference of opinion and lifestyle.
Also, to defend myself and more to the point of this topic, it is possible to become straight, or "ungay" if you wish to call it. I have read many cases about people doing so, and so have I. I don't care that y'all think of me obviously so it doesnt matter if y'all think I'm still gay, but I'm not.
Anywho, why do I never hear anything about people protesting for gay rights nowadays? I have never heard (until this topic) of a particular person who is really trying for gay rights. Unless you count Rosie O or Ellen D; they act, not protest. (Which by the way I love their acting even if they are gay). But tell me this--why does the gay community continue to let their life style be parodized on TV? So many tv shows nowadays ridicule gay life style instead of supporting it!
And I would like to see the cold hard facts about this thing about the gay bishop and the aforementioned percentages about homosexuality rates and red hair rates.

[PKMN Master]

Ohhh well, such an interesting topic... just what I need to re-activate my brain after three months of vacations... I think that the main question is: Should gay-marriages be allowed?

Probably.

Now, let's move on to the why.

First of all, I must say that I'm not that pro-marriage either... I really wouldn't like to be married before I'm at least 28... but I think if someone wants to marry someone else, they should marry!

Now, to some of you it might seem, unusual, weird, freaky or even ugly... but that's not the case... I strongly believe that being gay is something that you didn't choose. You just are. Just like if you're tall, or have more hair, or even man or woman... now, you can't change that. I saw this post in which the guy claims how he was once gay, buy now he's ungay... Lol, lol, lol and more lol. Lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol... lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol, lol... lol, lol, lol, lol, lol... Ahem... he's gay, and he'll continue to be gay until the final day of his repressed and sad life... he might think "I'm straight and I'm happy" but I bet once in a while, when he sees a hot guy, he thinks to himself: he's hot. But then he thinks on how he's been educated, on how his parents and the society around him would react, and how they ignorantly feel disgusted towards his preference, and then he begins to feel horrible... sad... repressed... lonely... and then he says again: "I'm straight and I'm happy"... yeah, right.

The only thing these kind of people is doing is ruining their own lives... I mean, they will be the only unhappy ones. What's so wrong about being gay? Don't come and say "sex is for reproduction purposes" if there were only 100 humans on the face of earth, that would be true, but right now, I think we're about the 6,000,000,000,000,000 score. Yeah, do we really need reproduction that much right now?

The Vatican has recently stated that Gay marriage is wrong and stuff... and priests having sex with children isn't wrong? wasn't the holy inquisition a bad thing? isn't wrong that there are bishops and archbishops whom are technically rot in money and opulence, while there are hundreds of millions of people diying from starvation? The bible has good and bad points. You should indeed not kill... but how come that menstruating women can't go to church?

And ohh yeah, the so called demons... I still laugh at stupid and ignorant people from my country burning pkmn cards (actually, I feel like crying, cause I swear that I saw an holofoil charizard being thrown into the fire ;.; ) because a priest told them that pikachu was the devil and that they made us slaves of the evil and how Ekans and Arbok said backwards meant snakE and kobrA, who knows what the other names might be summoning... or something like that... the same thing with Yu-Gi-Oh!, i heard again on the news that these new cards held horrible devil-like creatures, and that they sent a twisted message to the children... I was like OMFG!!!!! I'm catholic, but after being witness to such dumb things, I tend to not trust that much on what the church says

Now, I've seen comments on how Bushy boy is against gay marriage... first, he should tell the truth about his deals with the Bin Laden family, and how he knew about 9/11, stop being corrupt, resign to his job, send to jail the thief of vice president he has, (prick cheney), send to a senile house his defense guy rumsfeld, and then, maybe, he might be allowed to say a word about this issue...

And finally, I would like to state the next:

There is nothing wrong with gay marriage. It doesn't bother me, and I can't see a reason that it should bother someone else. But, unfortunately, the hate won't stop until all those old-fashioned, ignorant, resentful and homophobic people realize, that that kind of thought is just... meaningless, destructive... that's why I said probably... there may be laws that permit it, but until our decadent society permits itself to accept gay people like many of us already do, it seems to be a hard goal to achieve.



PS: the 1 out of 10 rate, is for real... just search the net for it.

[The Rusted One]

Originally posted by Blink4JC
This post is going to be short and sweet and lose what any possible grain of respect I may have had, but I don't care seeing as I actually have a life and have fun and don't live online.

Living exactly by a book is not having a life. Perhaps you're unaware of that. Also, I feel the need to point out that obviously you possess less life than any member on this board, barring Vega and to a degree, Bleeding Blue, amongst others.
And at which point did it seem a good idea to start off a post with petty, immature and quite desperate "insults"?
You have a "life" - governed by some man who wrote a book who died how many thousand years ago? At least two. You have "fun" - as long as you don't sit near to anyone "sinful", or accidentally come into contact with someone to be deemed "heathen". You "don't live online", though obviously what we say to you or about issues you have an opinion on does matter; you return, time and again, to try to prove yourself the better person, all the while ignoring what people actually say to you, and refuse to listen based on your "choice" of mentality about this issue. Sure sounds like you've got a life to me. Or maybe that's "life".

Anywayz, believe it or not guys, the cast system still exists. It's been around almost since the dawn of time and still exists today, less than it had been before but its still there and always will be as long as humans have egos, which will always happen. Get used to it, its human nature to have confidence and think that some other groups of people are inferior to you.

All that can be gathered from that is that you believe homosexual individuals to be beneath you, to be inferior to you - and apparently, that justifies your views.
How exactly are gay and lesbian people lower down in the caste system? You make such a statement, obviously referring to them, without actually backing up your point with proper evidence, or proof, or anything else other than bigotry, which seems to come so very naturally to you.
Now, obviously, you're choosing to believe that, because you think that belittling someone and thinking of them as inferior to you because of what they are is okay, the caste system is something that has always existed - no it hasn't. It's a human creation, based on human laziness; and if you try to tell me that the bible says it's okay, don't. Obviously, it isn't okay; the bible was written to deal with issues that needed explanation at the time, and anything that worked well for one person but not another was justified by "the will of god" - basically, it was an excuse for anything that wasn't right, and was obviously recognised as not right by all types of people.

Yes, humans have egos; this does not justify your attitude. You may think you're better than one individual because of personal differences, and because you dislike them for their personality - that's okay, as individuals conflict all the time, and do so because of personal reasons. HOWEVER, disliking a group of people due to what they are, with no knowledge of who they are personally, or what they may be like, is NOT justified.

Don't y'all even tell me that y'all are open to all people, me as a perfect example. Y'all label me the idiot, which shows that y'all think y'all are better than me. I think y'all are losers and wrong, so I think I'm better than some (not all) of y'all becuase we have a great difference of opinion and lifestyle.

Wrong; we WERE prepared to listen to you; but once we heard the derogatory messages, and blatant homophobia, we lost respect for you. If you hadn't been so homophobic, or hostile, and had respected the fact that some people are homosexual and it isn't wrong, then we would have accepted your views, and that would have been fine - but you appeared, basically proclaimed all of us "heathen", stated that homosexuality is wrong, and left again. That does not earn respect, and means that people will be less willing to listen to you next time due to your bigotted attitude. At no point, before you spoke, did we look at you and think, "we don't like him" - of course, you can't say the same about the gay, lesbian and bisexual members of this board.

We didn't think we were better than you until you opened your mouth, spat out the insults, and refused to listen to our reason (which, you might find, was offered to you surprisingly free of flaming despite your own petty name-calling); beforehand, we believed you to be equal to us in all respects. We label you the bigot because of your unjustified hatred of homosexuality, and refusal to give us your own reasons why, or listen to us.
Obviously, however, by your initial use of the word "heathen" and proclamation that we were all going to hell, you thought yourself better than us; your own words are why you're met with such hostility now. Your current contradiction of yourself by using the words, "losers" and "you're wrong" don't help your case, in that matter.

Also, to defend myself and more to the point of this topic, it is possible to become straight, or "ungay" if you wish to call it. I have read many cases about people doing so, and so have I. I don't care that y'all think of me obviously so it doesnt matter if y'all think I'm still gay, but I'm not.

If you didn't care, you wouldn't try to defend yourself. That's human psychology, too. It's possible for people to supress who they are, and be very unhappy, at least in later life - it isn't possible for them to change their very being.

Anywho, why do I never hear anything about people protesting for gay rights nowadays? I have never heard (until this topic) of a particular person who is really trying for gay rights. Unless you count Rosie O or Ellen D; they act, not protest. (Which by the way I love their acting even if they are gay).

Maybe you're not listening. You obviously don't have such things as gay rights parades, and gay-pride marches, etc., in your particularly place of residence.
Besides, why should someone have to demand rights to receive them? You never demanded any, I'll bet - so why do you have them?

But tell me this--why does the gay community continue to let their life style be parodized on TV? So many tv shows nowadays ridicule gay life style instead of supporting it!

How sad you truly are. "It's on TV, therefore it MUST be right!" - or, perhaps, these TV programmes are only like that because at the moment, society tends to be unaccepting of homosexuality? It doesn't mean that homosexuality shouldn't be accepted - it just means that sad little bigots, quite similar to yourself, would rather that didn't happen.
TV isn't always right. Please, learn this fact.

And I would like to see the cold hard facts about this thing about the gay bishop and the aforementioned percentages about homosexuality rates and red hair rates.

You mean, you need proof for this, but when it comes to believing in some all-powerful being with no proof, you're all-too-ready to worship it without question? How odd. For you, I mean. I find it quite amusing.

[Deck Knight]

Originally posted by geoff
... 'was once gay.' <--- Makes no sense, as is impossible.

And FYI, there's now a gay bishop. That close enough to a priest for ya? =P I don't see what the big deal is. Gay... straight... it's just a preference.

The Bible was written HOW long ago? Back then, gay= no offspring= senseless act= bad= sin. Nowadays, I'd say less than 5% of all sexual acts result in offspring. Are all those acts sins, too? No? Oh, that's right. Less people are dying, so it's okay. If the Bible had been written today, nowhere in it would say that homosexuality/homosexual acts was/were a sin. Do you understand that? No? Oh, well you must be one of those people who blindly follow everything the Bible says instead of making up your own opinions about things. (And the whole "whats been taught since the beginning of time" crap is bull****. I'm pretty sure Christianity wasn't around during the reign of Cleopatra.)

It's sad... gays are treated so similar to the way blacks were treated in the early/mid 1900s. And where did that stem from? Slavery. Why? Well, I'm pretty sure the Bible mentions slavery and says it's okay so... why not? If you don't see what I'm getting at, you need help.

I read the Bible once, I can barely quote a line of Genesis, and as for your "New Age" Bible. Saying what would be in it is purely speculation. For all we know, it could say that aliens are on Mars, Obesity is attractive, and we could have "The Gospel According to Adolph Hitler", followed by "The Acts of the Adolph".

In short, speculate all you want, I haven't read the Bible, but it IS more of a HISTORY book, rather than a STORY. You could say the same thing about Books regarding Black people 100 years ago, where it said all sorts of nasty things about them, I bet. That was History, and History shows mistakes that were made. Now, obviously people were a lot less... lax... 2,000 years ago, but the point is, the Bible says homosexuality is disgusting. Well, so is eating ketchup on bologna to some people, but I can deal...

Anyway, its like I said, its your life, I can't tell you how to live it, and I won't suggest you stop your chosen lifestyle. But Marraige has LITTLE to do with lifestyle choices, and more to do with the church. All I'm saying, is in no way should the CATHOLIC church, allow Gay Marraiges. It said it was disgusting 2,000 years ago, it still is, IMO, today. The Catholic church teaches its wrong, but there is a simple answer. If the Protestant Church allows it, get married there. Or by some minister in Las Vegas, go there, gamble, get drunk, and get married to the man/woman of your dreams(since your mind won't be awake).

[Deck Knight]

Originally posted by PKMN Master
The Vatican has recently stated that Gay marriage is wrong and stuff... and priests having sex with children isn't wrong? wasn't the holy inquisition a bad thing? isn't wrong that there are bishops and archbishops whom are technically rot in money and opulence, while there are hundreds of millions of people diying from starvation? The bible has good and bad points. You should indeed not kill... but how come that menstruating women can't go to church?

People are corruptable, please tell me if YOU do not wish to be rich, happy, and full of hot sex partners of your preference. See the point?

And ohh yeah, the so called demons... I still laugh at stupid and ignorant people from my country burning pkmn cards (actually, I feel like crying, cause I swear that I saw an holofoil charizard being thrown into the fire ;.; ) because a priest told them that pikachu was the devil and that they made us slaves of the evil and how Ekans and Arbok said backwards meant snakE and kobrA, who knows what the other names might be summoning... or something like that... the same thing with Yu-Gi-Oh!, i heard again on the news that these new cards held horrible devil-like creatures, and that they sent a twisted message to the children... I was like OMFG!!!!! I'm catholic, but after being witness to such dumb things, I tend to not trust that much on what the church says

I'll agree that was sort of stupid, the only creepy thing about Pikachu is that its fat and its cheeks are red. Yugioh monsters ARE kind of freaky though... but meh. Its just a Game and a TV show, and the people who start studing the occult are just insane phycopathic idiots.

Now, I've seen comments on how Bushy boy is against gay marriage... first, he should tell the truth about his deals with the Bin Laden family, and how he knew about 9/11, stop being corrupt, resign to his job, send to jail the thief of vice president he has, (prick cheney), send to a senile house his defense guy rumsfeld, and then, maybe, he might be allowed to say a word about this issue...

He's a politician. 'Nuff Said.

And finally, I would like to state the next:

There is nothing wrong with gay marriage. It doesn't bother me, and I can't see a reason that it should bother someone else. But, unfortunately, the hate won't stop until all those old-fashioned, ignorant, resentful and homophobic people realize, that that kind of thought is just... meaningless, destructive... that's why I said probably... there may be laws that permit it, but until our decadent society permits itself to accept gay people like many of us already do, it seems to be a hard goal to achieve.



PS: the 1 out of 10 rate, is for real... just search the net for it.

Italics are fun.

[master jao]

Originally posted by Solution
I'm catholic and I'm taught that engaging in any homosexual act is wrong.

i'ùm catholic either, and I'v never been taugh that!! never heard of that even once during lessons... even heard a priest saying it's not mentionned anywhere that homophosexuality is bad. i think it should depend on who is reading, but christianism has so many branches now that it does not have many sens more. religion is just like homosexuality, it's a choice I guess. So why not married? I love the one I love, and if I could, I'd just do more than offering him a ring as a symbol of my true love.
that's all.

[123LTJ]

Originally posted by Blink4JC
This post is going to be short and sweet and lose what any possible grain of respect I may have had, but I don't care seeing as I actually have a life and have fun and don't live online.

Don't worry about losing respect, it's all gone by now.

Don't y'all even tell me that y'all are open to all people, me as a perfect example. Y'all label me the idiot, which shows that y'all think y'all are better than me. I think y'all are losers and wrong, so I think I'm better than some (not all) of y'all becuase we have a great difference of opinion and lifestyle.

No, we aren't open to you not because we think we're better than you, but because we KNOW we're better than anyone who isn't accepting of people who do things that don't hurt anyone. The things you do and say HURT PEOPLE. There's a huge difference between disliking somebody for being gay and disliking somebody for hating gays. Y'all better think these things through before accusing us of being losers. Anyways, what denotes us as being losers compared to your cool, suave, popular self?

Also, to defend myself and more to the point of this topic, it is possible to become straight, or "ungay" if you wish to call it. I have read many cases about people doing so, and so have I. I don't care that y'all think of me obviously so it doesnt matter if y'all think I'm still gay, but I'm not.

Then you've also read the cases of people "relapsing" into their "sinful ways", and often causing irreparable damage to themselves in the process.

Anywho, why do I never hear anything about people protesting for gay rights nowadays? I have never heard (until this topic) of a particular person who is really trying for gay rights. Unless you count Rosie O or Ellen D; they act, not protest. (Which by the way I love their acting even if they are gay).

Because you're a shut in? I dunno, almost every night on the news recently there's been something about how the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of homosexuals, or how Ontario now allows gay marraiges, or how "President" Bush says that marraige should be restrained to just between a man and a woman, or how the first ever gay man is trying to become a Bishop. Obviously you're either not paying attention or ignoring these things.

But tell me this--why does the gay community continue to let their life style be parodized on TV? So many tv shows nowadays ridicule gay life style instead of supporting it!

The GAY COMMUNITY? Like they all get together and tell the networks what they can and cannot say about them. Let's face it, the "gay community" doesn't exactly have a whole lot of influence in society.

And I would like to see the cold hard facts about this thing about the gay bishop and the aforementioned percentages about homosexuality rates and red hair rates.

Search the web, I'm not your damn secretary.

[Moonlight Espeon]

Hmm, figures, I'm Catholic too, but I have never heard that homosexuality is evil or disgusting. A person should be able to make desicions for themselves. If they want to be with a person of the same gender, then there's nothing wrong with that. It's not causing you any trouble, it's not like a store is going to close down just because a gay couple was in there (bad description, I know). If Catholics are against gays, then religion turned out to be as ridiculous as I thought it was (religion should be about beliefs and things, not trying to change how people think).

[Chris 2.1]

At my age, the line between Straight and Gay sexuality is a curvy squiggle, and I'm going through it every day, sometimes one way, sometimes the other, but it will probably determine itself when i'm older.

I think that emotions that lead to marriage can't restrict themselves to a gender, so I'm for Gay Marriage in a liberal sense. I know of gay people, some are radically stereotypical while others carry a certain subtlety about it, and I am willing to accept some people have preferences to gender, one or the other. I don't mind, as long as they really feel in love and feel the same way about Men as I do about women.

That's what is to me, so if there are any Homosexuals, you have my support.

[Kadabra790]

People probably won't even know if they are gay are not until they at least are in tehir very late teens and twenties. It's a funny thing about hormones, they screw you up =-/ It's a rollar coaster of emotions and feelings, and you're in the front car. Anyway.

I'm no expert on Christianity, but wasn't they something about not insulting your neighbor (aka fellow man)? I'm really not sure. I'm not devout and zealous about religion. But I'm fairly sure there was at least a paragraph in that 2-dictionary sized book about respecting your fellow man.......
Or do gays and other "unnatural" people don't count? Maybe I'm just making this up. Please enlighten me.

[Musourenka]

I think many of you are missing the point.

The government has no business regulating the private lives of others, and that includes marriage.

Whether homosexuality is right or wrong, whether it is by choice or determined at birth, whether marriage is between a man and a woman only or can be between anyone, the government should not be butting in where it does not belong.