Same-Sex Marriage

**kw0ffz0r** · 5th August 2003, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by Musourenka
I think many of you are missing the point.

The government has no business regulating the private lives of others, and that includes marriage.

Whether homosexuality is right or wrong, whether it is by choice or determined at birth, whether marriage is between a man and a woman only or can be between anyone, the government should not be butting in where it does not belong.

They are the government, they belong everywhere.

**Musourenka** · 5th August 2003, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by kw0ffz0r
They are the government, they belong everywhere.

*grabs his M79*

Not in my house.

**Moonlight Espeon** · 6th August 2003, 01:42 PM

"They are the government, they belong everywhere"?

Hmm... If that's true, I feel bad for myself and other Americans that are practically being controlled like robots by the government. I have a strong feeling that the government is going way too far with this, they are practically ruining lives by doing this. I always thought the government blew everything out of proportion, but not THIS bad. >_<;

They say we can have our own opinion, but then whoever has an opinion that's isn't EXACTLY like theirs, they banish it. How wonderful.

**Pokemon Kid** · 18th September 2003, 11:41 AM

I don't really care. We all know they'll go to hell later on... LOL!

**KaptainSarcasm** · 18th September 2003, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by AnimeFever
I don't really care. We all know they'll go to hell later on... LOL!

Who, the gov't, or gay people?

If it's the gov't... then YAY!!! Hell for Dubbuya! Let's get him delivered there ASAP.

If it's gay people.... I at least would like to get married before I'm sent to hell. I mean, sheesh! At least my wife would be there too.

**The Rusted One** · 18th September 2003, 06:26 PM

But why do homosexual people go to hell? What exactly are they doing that's so wrong, and why is it wrong? In truth, nothing - it's just that people don't like difference, and any small example of it is rapidly turned into something "evil", something to be frowned upon, something to be thought of as wrong.

But what is it exactly that is so wrong with homosexuality? And if you say, "because they're sleeping with someone of the same gender", then think of this - they aren't so much sleeping with someone of the same gender as they are sleeping with someone they love. They don't necessarily have to be sleeping with each other, either.
Besides this, what exactly is it that makes two men, or two women, who sleep together, so hell-bound?

I'm reminded of the old saying, "love knows no bounds" - well, no, it doesn't, really. Why should people enforce limits on it then? It seems hypocritical and redundant to say, "you can't restrict love", etc., and then turn around and try to do just that (by saying things like, "homosexuals go to hell", or making homosexual marriage wrong).

**Razola** · 18th September 2003, 06:52 PM

Homosexuals don't go to Hell just for being gay. if people can break the 10 main rules and go to heaven, then why can't gay people be gay and go to heaven?

It's yet another way the Church twists the Bible to support an agenda.

**Green_Pikachu** · 19th September 2003, 02:19 PM

Some people don't understand that gay people don't choose to be gay. In some post on the first page i read, "sure, let them be gay." It's not like they wake up one day and say, "damn, i'm going to go be attracted to the same sex today."

It just doesn't work that way. ABSOLUTELY same sex marriages should be allowed AND recognized, because yes, they are two different things. There is no difference between straight and homosexual people. It's not contagious, hanging around them won't make you gay. I know some REALLY prejudice people, and all their defense is, is "it's not right." What's not right? The fact that they are attracted to the opposite sex? And who are the STRAIGHT people to say what is not right? Who gave us the authority to decide what is moral, and what is immoral?

Do what feels right. Don't bend to society, because frankly, society blows.

**Razola** · 19th September 2003, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by ThePariah
Some people don't understand that gay people don't choose to be gay. In some post on the first page i read, "sure, let them be gay." It's not like they wake up one day and say, "damn, i'm going to go be attracted to the same sex today."

Aye, this be quite true, laddie.

It just doesn't work that way. ABSOLUTELY same sex marriages should be allowed AND recognized, because yes, they are two different things. There is no difference between straight and homosexual people. It's not contagious, hanging around them won't make you gay. I know some REALLY prejudice people, and all their defense is, is "it's not right." What's not right? The fact that they are attracted to the opposite sex? And who are the STRAIGHT people to say what is not right? Who gave us the authority to decide what is moral, and what is immoral?

Avast, you bilge rat, tis society that be settin' up what be wrong and what be right. If morals were bein' too vague, then the murderin', plunderin', and lootin' I do every day would be fine. After all, who said that those things be wrong, ya landlubbin', fool?

Do what feels right. Don't bend to society, because frankly, society blows.

Do ye be hearin' correctly? Society be the one makin' the rules, and that not always be a bad ting, ya saucy lad. Society thought it was might right ta own slaves a few nips ago, but now tis a wrong thing! Society may not be as perfect as the sea, but it does changes, be it very slowly.

Now back ta the galley wit cha. Matrimony be no excuse fer lully-gaggin' about!

**Green_Pikachu** · 19th September 2003, 02:39 PM

if you'd really like to debate me on the subject matter we can. just don't speak in the piratean tongue anymore. ;[

**Razola** · 19th September 2003, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by ThePariah
if you'd really like to debate me on the subject matter we can. just don't speak in the piratean tongue anymore. ;[

Only if ye quit speakin' in yer landlubbin' tongue.

**Pokemon Kid** · 21st September 2003, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by The Rusted One
But why do homosexual people go to hell? What exactly are they doing that's so wrong, and why is it wrong? In truth, nothing - it's just that people don't like difference, and any small example of it is rapidly turned into something "evil", something to be frowned upon, something to be thought of as wrong.

But what is it exactly that is so wrong with homosexuality? And if you say, "because they're sleeping with someone of the same gender", then think of this - they aren't so much sleeping with someone of the same gender as they are sleeping with someone they love. They don't necessarily have to be sleeping with each other, either.
Besides this, what exactly is it that makes two men, or two women, who sleep together, so hell-bound?

I'm reminded of the old saying, "love knows no bounds" - well, no, it doesn't, really. Why should people enforce limits on it then? It seems hypocritical and redundant to say, "you can't restrict love", etc., and then turn around and try to do just that (by saying things like, "homosexuals go to hell", or making homosexual marriage wrong).

DUH! 'Cause they're SINNING!

And yes. I did mean the Goverment.

**Green_Pikachu** · 22nd September 2003, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by AnimeFever
DUH! 'Cause they're SINNING!

And yes. I did mean the Goverment.

uh...if people act on their homoerotic desires, they are not sinning. they're living a healthy, normal life. The whole concept of sinning is absurd. If I call you a name, that's sinning, therefore I'm going to hell. According to the Bible, if I kill your wife, you get to kill mine. That's great. Let's start following the bible WORD FOR WORD. Let's see how long people can make it following the bible WORD FOR WORD. because, we all know its possible for someone to be swallowed by a whale, and still live *cough the story of jonah and the whale...*cough*

**Razola** · 22nd September 2003, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by ThePariah
uh...if people act on their homoerotic desires, they are not sinning. they're living a healthy, normal life. The whole concept of sinning is absurd. If I call you a name, that's sinning, therefore I'm going to hell. According to the Bible, if I kill your wife, you get to kill mine. That's great. Let's start following the bible WORD FOR WORD. Let's see how long people can make it following the bible WORD FOR WORD. because, we all know its possible for someone to be swallowed by a whale, and still live *cough the story of jonah and the whale...*cough*

All humans are sinners by DEFAULT, thanks to the "orginal sin" of Adam and Eve. So you're a sinner be you gay, straight, or anything in between. In order to get to Heaven you must admit you are a sinner and repent your sins through Jesus.

And the "eye for an eye" part of the Bible is in the Old Testament, where you see the classic "Wrathful God." If you would flip to the New Testament, Jesus is big on turning the other cheek and not stooping to petty revenge.

**Iveechan** · 22nd September 2003, 04:47 PM

Why do people think they're so high and mighty? We're just hunks of meat like other animals. As long as they're not hurting anyone, physically or emotionally, let them do what they want. Bible's a load of bull imo. And no, being offended by gay marriage isn't exactly being hurt emotionally.

**Razola** · 22nd September 2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Iveechan
Why do people think they're so high and mighty?

Originally posted by Iveechan
Bible's a load of bull imo.

Whee.

**Iveechan** · 22nd September 2003, 05:08 PM

I never said I was high and mighty, I said my opinion. Why are you being mean to me?

**KaptainSarcasm** · 22nd September 2003, 05:30 PM

Bah... While I certainly don't believe in the Bible, I think it's a good story. Like, it's interesting to read. And Jesus was a good guy. A true Marxist. But the thing about the Bible, it's kind of stupid to think of it as this holy text or whatever. Really it's just a good story. I mean, if you're going to hero-worship the Bible, you might as well make a religion out of some other sci-fi story. Like H.G. Wells's The Time Machine. We should make a religion out of that book. That'll teach 'em. ^_^

**Razola** · 22nd September 2003, 05:44 PM

I think "The Cat in the Hat" would be sweet gospel.

And think...all our prayers would rhyme!

**The Rusted One** · 22nd September 2003, 10:11 PM

I was thinking more along the lines of "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" - I mean, it has an ancient mother goddess, i.e., Snow White, and she has seven consorts (the dwarves). Refering back to many ancient religions, it becomes evident that the focus was placed on the mother goddess as the giver of life and the main deity, and her consorts, which often died and were reborn in the spring, were lesser deities - in this case, though there are seven, their small stature alludes to their relative lack of power compared to the mother goddess' omnipotency. She even came back from the dead.

Yes, I did sit down and work this out into a feasible religion, once.

But on a different note, no Iveechan isn't being a hypocrite - she never said that she was better than anyone, she stated her opinion that the bible is a story, and should be taken as such. The majority of those on this board who believe in god believe that humans, and only humans, have "souls", and that they go to heaven - while the "lesser beasts" just cease existing. That is an elitist attitude. How can Iveechan's words stating that we're no different from the other members of the animal kingdom at all be a "high and mighty" thing to do?

But I still haven't seen anyone give me a reasonable and irrefutable piece of evidence as to why homosexuality is wrong - it makes me curious as to whether there is one.

**Razola** · 22nd September 2003, 10:22 PM

Iveechan stated that someone was being high and mighty, and then proceeded to call someone's reason for being "bull." And it didn't offer any real arugmentation for it either. So, yeah, I find it fairly pompous. This is unlike Kapt. Sarcasm, who at least went in depth to say it was a good book, but not feasible to base a religion on.

**Iveechan** · 22nd September 2003, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by Raz
Iveechan stated that someone was being high and mighty, and then proceeded to call someone's reason for being "bull." And it didn't offer any real arugmentation for it either. So, yeah, I find it fiarly pompous. This is unlike Kapt. Sarcasm, who at least went in depth to say it was a good book, but not feasible to base a religion on.

I said it was my opinion, I wasn't trying to be pompous. Leave me be, you pissed me off enough today in the art forum. Also, TRO, don't mention me anymore even when you are trying to defend me... whenever that happens, someone becomes my enemy.

To me, the bible is fantasy. I admit, I never read it, nor do I care to. But this topic isn't about the bible, it's about same sex marriage. And I say "Go for it, peeps."

**Nikku-San** · 25th September 2003, 02:56 AM

I've read enough in this endless topic to make my head spin... I'm going to try to put in my 2 cents but I can't directly reply to anyone since there are two many people and posts to remember...

First off, I'd like to say I am bisexual, leaning on the gay side. Nothing happened in my life to make me this way, I've always had a thing for guys, even when it was just an admirational thing, like seeing the red power ranger with his shirt off. Then, as I got into my pre-teen years, friends and my cousin and people would show me porno magazines. There were guys and girls and I was focused on the guys, though I tried not to make it noticeable since I knew the whole guys are supposed to like girls rule. I found out what the word gay meant and started using it like anyone else as a synonym for stupid or wierd. But as I started to become a teenager, learned about masturbation and such and my hormones started to kick in, there was definite sexual attraction to other boys. I figured it was just part of becoming a teenager and it would pass, along with the constant horny-ness. But it didn't. As I got older, it started to become more obvious to myself and the sexual attraction slowly became a more normal attraction... I started noticing other things about guys that had nothing to do with sex and even started to have feelings for a few people. I hated it...

For years I protested homosexuality on other message boards and such, but I was slowly losing a fight with myself. It was getting to the point where it was impossible to deny. And worst of all: I had very few feelings toward girls, making it very difficult to socialize with guys in that manner. While most guys talked about a girls boobs and stuff I was actually focused on their personality.... So, there was attraction,. but a more innocent kind only. And so it went like this for a loooong time until finally my whole life reached that point of explosion (parents were going to divorce, I was getting kicked out, found out I had other siblings, chaos) and I finally just said to one of my best online friends.... "What's one thing you could find out about me you'd hate?" They replied "Only that you stopped being a nice, original person and became one of those guys that pushes kids into lockers.... But it's cool if you're gay or something...." And so I told everything. And it felt better...

BlinkWhatevertherestis, believe me, I'd go straight if I could. Screw gay pride, I'm not the type to go strutting around acting like a frickin show girl to get attention. I really don't care about that kind of stuff at all, and I think the nude guys in those parades are screwed up. But how can you make yourself change something like that? I've prayed, I've tried forcing myself to be straight and there's just no point in it. There is nothing wrong with liking other guys, the bible may say that but... Like someone said, God didn't write it himself.

To Vega and that other guy, well... I guess I can't help it that you hate me. But it's not like every gay/bi person is some sicko. And it's not like they all have aids either, I actually think anal sex is gross... But if you really think I'm some sick freak for something I have no control over, then you can kill me. See if I care, I'd be better off that way.

On a last note, I'd just like to say that there are two types of people in this kind of situation that make me sick: The people that have to say that they hate gays/bis and think they are disgusting and evil, and the people who people who launch into a gay rights speech just because someone doesn't fully agree with a certain aspect. Why can't people just find even ground and get along? Just because I'm bi doesn't mean I'm going to be undressing you with my eyes, much less smacking your ***. It just means I might think you're cute. But guess what? There are a ton of girls I've thought looked nice that had no interest in me at all, you don't see me sexually harassing them. And just because you're gay doesn't give you the right to do anything you want, such as parade the streets naked or act obnoxious in public? So why can't you all just shut up and get along? Really, I have enough problems without thinking people would like to see me die just because of something I was born with (and there's no doubt I was born with it).

That's all. If I cursed, sorry, I hate debates and the only reason I posted here was to try to make some middle ground between the two warring sides... Looks like I just added a third party to the war, sorry...

**The Rusted One** · 25th September 2003, 04:29 AM

The problem comes when people start up about how gay and lesbian people are "evil", and what they're doing is "wrong". I believe I fit into the faction of people who argue to the cows come home about gay rights, and how discrimination is wrong - but the fact is, if there wasn't reason to argue for such a thing, there would be no argument. The same arguments apply to racism, sexism, and any and every other form of discrimination - that is, if something is said to the detriment of any socio-economic group, arguments will occur as to why such discrimination shouldn't happen. Until people can learn that discrimination is wrong, discrimination will remain. And until discrimination becomes a thing of the past, the arguments will happen. Nobody should suffer for who they are; and that's what a lot of people are trying to get across.

**RedStarWarrior** · 25th September 2003, 09:53 AM

I believe that homosexuals should have the same rights as everyone else. I mean, come on, they are humans too!

**Nikku-San** · 25th September 2003, 03:57 PM

TRO, I know this will sound like a very negative comment, but discrimination will always exhist to some extent. In my area, (which is in the south) there used to be a lot of racism to black people. We finally got over that, but now a lot of black people have hard feelings towards white people and so I sometimes get treated badly by them. It's a cycle that never-ends, the best you can do is trry to be around good people that can just let the past be the past and have no hard feelings towards anyone. They are rare, but there are people like that.

Just as a side-note: No, I'm not one of them. I try to be friendly to everyone, but if someone wrongs me, I usually hold some grudge, even if I don't show it or act on it. Yeah, I suck.

**Razola** · 25th September 2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by The Rusted One
The problem comes when people start up about how gay and lesbian people are "evil", and what they're doing is "wrong". I believe I fit into the faction of people who argue to the cows come home about gay rights, and how discrimination is wrong - but the fact is, if there wasn't reason to argue for such a thing, there would be no argument.

There will ALWAYS be a reason for group A to find themselves superior to group B.

Think it's just religion? Ha. People used Darwin's theories as a reason to justify slavery and afterwards the Jim Crow laws. And then people used 9/11 as a reason to justify hate against muslims. There is no one ideal or theory to blame hatred. It's the people that are flawed, be it poor upbringing or lack of education.

"Hate outlives the hateful." I never thought I see such true words on a Magic card.

**The Rusted One** · 25th September 2003, 08:19 PM

But just because there is discrimination, and there always will be, we should not just sit back and let it occur. That's one of the fundamental parts of this argument - there is discrimination, but there should not be. Just because people say that discrimination will always be a feature of our societies, doesn't mean it should be left to itself. It should always be fought against. The fact that it will be there is no justification for it being left to proceed.

If you want, you can compare terrorism and war to it - these things will probably be around for a very long time, if not forever; should we sit back and let them happen? No. Just because they're a part of who we are as a species and a society does not mean that they are okay.

If you are of the impression that discrimination, because it's part of who we are, is just something that should be accepted, then you must also be fine with that fact that women being paid less for the same jobs men do; you must also be fine with the fact that non-Whites in the US are still looked down upon in many places; you must be fine with the way that many people are hated and prejudiced against because of their religious affiliation. I am not. So what if discrimination is something that will probably always be around? It does not mean it is to be accepted - and I will not accept it.

**Razola** · 25th September 2003, 08:22 PM

I was not excusing discrimination (to clarify) but it sounded like you were putting more blame on theories than people for it.

The best way to end it is to educate. Ignorance is what fuels these people.

**The Rusted One** · 25th September 2003, 08:46 PM

When did I say that people weren't to blame? was it when I said that it wouldn't change until people see the error of their discriminatory attitudes? No - because that's placing the blame squarely on the people.

What I did notice about your argument was that you appeared to be excusing the people because, as you say, there will "ALWAYS be a reason for group A to find themselves superior to group B." That distances the people from the action. You then state that people are flawed, and that's why there is discrimination - this is true to an extent, but the fact is, that blames the condition of the people, rather than the people themselves. You're saying that discrimination is a result of a set of circumstances, and that those who discriminate are victims of those conditions and are, therefore, not to blame entirely. I disagree - people make choices to discriminate. True, they may not have the best awareness of an issue - but it is their responsibility to know what they're talking about. Nobody is stopping them from learning more - and they are, in fact, being encouraged to cease their prejudiced behaviour. And, more often than not, they don't. The people are to blame, not their environs; the outside world does have an impact, but ultimately, everyone is independent, and can make a decision for themselves - if it's the wrong one, and they know it, then they are to blame.

**Razola** · 25th September 2003, 08:52 PM

Yes they can end it, but they tend to be very stubborn people (obviously) and it's best to get them while they're young.

I conclude by saying yes, people are ultimately responsible for their actions BUT it would certainly wouldn't hurt to make sure they know this at a young age.

**The Rusted One** · 25th September 2003, 09:02 PM

With this, I agree - though it doesn't mean that I don't think that adults are any less able to change their behaviour, because they are - sure, it's more ingrained, but the fact remains, if they act a certain way, it's their choice, and they should be accountable for that. If they choose to discriminate, then they are responsible for their own actions - they are to blame. If they listen reasoning as to why they shouldn't discriminate, and change their behaviour, they are making a choice for the better of everyone.

The best time to educate is, indeed, when the person is young - but education should not cease as the person grows older. If anything, it should be stressed more and more to ensure the message is communicated.

**Nikku-San** · 26th September 2003, 04:55 PM

I'm not trying to be negative... But you can never achieve world peace. You can't erase something from human nature... It's pointless. You can, however, make your own decisions and try to lead your friends in the right direction.

Oh, and I'd just like to say, racism is not one sided, so stop pretending it is. Everyone doesn't love white people, that's just ridiculous...

**The Rusted One** · 26th September 2003, 07:31 PM

Sexism isn't one-sided, either - and nor have I ever said it was. When I as writing examples, I was using the more historically recognised forms; if you want to get upset about my examples, you should know that I'm Caucasian, too, so, in effect, I'm badmouthing myself. Except that I'm not doing that at all. I'm not pretending anything - you, on the other hand, seem to believe that, just because I used the more prominent aspects of the issues, I, myself, am being racist. You need to stop jumping to the conclusion that everyone is out to get everyone else - THAT is ridiculous.

And, as for the other point - like I said, people say that discrimination is just something we do - but it should NOT be accepted. Just because you think it's always gong to be there does not mean it should be left alone.

**Nikku-San** · 27th September 2003, 05:14 AM

I never called you racist, I was just pointing that out. Maybe you need to take your own advice about that jumping to conclusions stuff...

*Plays "Why Can't We Be Friends" on stereo to try to make the world get along* There's a solution I like.

**The Rusted One** · 27th September 2003, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by Nikku-san
Oh, and I'd just like to say, racism is not one sided, so stop pretending it is. Everyone doesn't love white people, that's just ridiculous...

No, you didn't say much at all, really, looking at your earlier statement. You implied it instead. The fact is, you seem to have taken my words as saying that only white people are racist, and that they are loved by all while hating many. You do state that I'm pretending that racism is a one-sided thing - what other meaning does that have other than what it says? None. And what does it say? That I've taken that view of "loved by all, hater of all". You infer that I view the world as such - this view being a form of racism in itself, in that I see bad of one and good of another.

You weren't innocuously pointing anything out - you assumed something of me and sought to tell me that I was in the wrong - if I had been in the wrong, I would have been open to you telling me, and would have corrected myself; however, you jumped to the conclusion that I was being racist, and there was no reason to. I did not state once that races other than Caucasians were blameless. I did not state once that Caucasians were solely to blame. You took my words, however, as saying such, and inferred that I was discriminating. The point is, you implied I was something I was not; you didn't say the words, but you made clear your meaning.

**Green_Pikachu** · 27th September 2003, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Nikku-San
*Plays "Why Can't We Be Friends" on stereo to try to make the world get along* There's a solution I like.

...if only it were that simple...

**Charles Legend** · 27th September 2003, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by KaptainSarcasm
Bah... While I certainly don't believe in the Bible, I think it's a good story. Like, it's interesting to read. And Jesus was a good guy. A true Marxist. But the thing about the Bible, it's kind of stupid to think of it as this holy text or whatever. Really it's just a good story. I mean, if you're going to hero-worship the Bible, you might as well make a religion out of some other sci-fi story. Like H.G. Wells's The Time Machine. We should make a religion out of that book. That'll teach 'em. ^_^

Ok just to make it clear what most People who are against “Gay Mirage” are making their decisions based on the fact that their was a book written a Gay about gays, I forgot the name of it anyways what the government and the Church are wired about is not the fact that their Gay but what one gay writer had to say about a plan to change the way we see mirage and in the end stamp out mirage all together which could have a profound impact on are life and lives around us because with out marriage their is no way of stopping a man from having more then one wife and not only that but their would be no laws stopping that same woman from being with more then one man at the same time thus you could have an invent number of partners and their would be no one to stop you , so you see Marriage is important, but that dose not mean we should be trying to make gay marriage illegal but instead make sheer that marriage does not get to the point where there can be more then one legal partner.

yeah, basely I agree with it just so long as Marriage dose not get Existent like the dinosaurs well sorta you get the general idea of how important Marriage is but at the same time I don’t think the Government has any say in the People getting married it’s the fact that their trying to protect it so that it won’t go out like the Dinosaurs did about 65 million years ago......................

Oh and uses Rock smash on the rock Angel Blossom is hiding behind....... Boo!

Angel Blossom: Ah Monster!

Me: Oh sorry where you hiding behind that rock I am so sorry I was hunting for a Shuckle...... *gets kicked in the Jews* I tack that as a yes falls on the ground and faints..... X_x

now, about the bible, Ha that have to be one vary smar person to put to gether a book that tells us how to live out are life and be truly happy, of course some of things I find it hard to say god did but I do beleive in god because at some piont in time some one had to set things in motion and make the universe, wether it be some all mighty god or perhapes a giant Ailan bomb from anouther dimtion. oh and the fact that Jusus rose from the dead three days after he was on the cross I can only think of one thing besides an almighty being that could do that and thats Alean tecnolagey, then their is that whole deal with the piller of clouds by day and at night it was fire, I don't know about you but that to me is just not posible for that to hapen, it has to be a gaint UFO Piolet by Alains, then theirs the talk of Diosuors and humans liviving side by side in one of the books most likly Genesis but there has yet to be any realk prof of this.

Err.....

~Ryu

**Leon-IH** · 27th September 2003, 08:11 PM

i am in favor of homosexual marriage for these reasons.

1 - Love isn't about gender, its about feelings the size of hills
2 - it would allow homosexuals to feel less outcasted in society
3 - DOWN WITH PREDJUDICE!! (emphasis)
4 - Religion is entitled to its opinion but why should its minorities control the opinion of the people?!?

**The Rusted One** · 27th September 2003, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Ryu Slayer X 2.0
Ok just to make it clear what most People who are against “Gay Mirage” are making their decisions based on the fact that their was a book written a Gay about gays, I forgot the name of it anyways what the government and the Church are wired about is not the fact that their Gay but what one gay writer had to say about a plan to change the way we see mirage and in the end stamp out mirage all together which could have a profound impact on are life and lives around us because with out marriage their is no way of stopping a man from having more then one wife and not only that but their would be no laws stopping that same woman from being with more then one man at the same time thus you could have an invent number of partners and their would be no one to stop you , so you see Marriage is important, but that dose not mean we should be trying to make gay marriage illegal but instead make sheer that marriage does not get to the point where there can be more then one legal partner.

Uhhh...you do realise that if gay marriage were allowed, it would follow the same rules as heterosexual marriage, too, right? As in, two people, wishing to marry, and doing so - making their monogamous relationship legal in terms of the church?

Now, you also seem to forget that Mormons frequently marry more than one person - I think only men can have more than one wife, and not vice-versa, but the fact remains, that's legal because it's their religious belief.

Quite apart from that, people all over the world cheat on their partners whether they're married or not - there is nothing illegal about having an affair. It wouldn't change anything if marriage was made more open and allowed, main stream, multiple partners - most people would still have one, much the same as most people have ONE girlfriend or boyfriend at a time before they get married to them.

yeah, basely I agree with it just so long as Marriage dose not get Existent like the dinosaurs well sorta you get the general idea of how important Marriage is but at the same time I don’t think the Government has any say in the People getting married it’s the fact that their trying to protect it so that it won’t go out like the Dinosaurs did about 65 million years ago......................

Um, no - it's that the government currently running the US is intolerant of homosexuality. George W. Bush isn't saying that homosexuality is evil - but he is denying gay and lesbian people the rights to live as freely as straight people don't even need to wonder about receiving.

Now, what difference is it going to make to society if marriage does disappear from our culture? Nothing. A lot of couples never do get married, and they aren't bringing about the fall of society. Marriage, in fact, has become, for the most part, a custom, and serves no other purpose in many cases than to say, "look, they got married."

*gets kicked in the Jews*

What?

now, about the bible, Ha that have to be one vary smar person to put to gether a book that tells us how to live out are life and be truly happy, of course some of things I find it hard to say god did but I do beleive in god because at some piont in time some one had to set things in motion and make the universe, wether it be some all mighty god or perhapes a giant Ailan bomb from anouther dimtion. oh and the fact that Jusus rose from the dead three days after he was on the cross I can only think of one thing besides an almighty being that could do that and thats Alean tecnolagey, then their is that whole deal with the piller of clouds by day and at night it was fire, I don't know about you but that to me is just not posible for that to hapen, it has to be a gaint UFO Piolet by Alains, then theirs the talk of Diosuors and humans liviving side by side in one of the books most likly Genesis but there has yet to be any realk prof of this.

Err.....

~Ryu

Yes, very much "err..."

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