Same-Sex Marriage

[Almond]

OK, did anyone even understand what this Ryu guy was talking about? What's a gay mirage?

[Nikku-San]

OK, did anyone even understand what this Ryu guy was talking about? What's a gay mirage?

A vision of two guys having sex that you see in the desert? Haha, j/k, I think he meant marriage.

Okay, I'm not going to post here anymore because I've said all I had to say. Peace out.

(Oh, and sorry about that mis-understanding TRO, but I really don't want to debate or argue anymore. ^^;; )

[Charles Legend]

Originally posted by The Rusted One
Uhhh...you do realise that if gay marriage were allowed, it would follow the same rules as heterosexual marriage, too, right? As in, two people, wishing to marry, and doing so - making their monogamous relationship legal in terms of the church?

Now, you also seem to forget that Mormons frequently marry more than one person - I think only men can have more than one wife, and not vice-versa, but the fact remains, that's legal because it's their religious belief.

Quite apart from that, people all over the world cheat on their partners whether they're married or not - there is nothing illegal about having an affair. It wouldn't change anything if marriage was made more open and allowed, main stream, multiple partners - most people would still have one, much the same as most people have ONE girlfriend or boyfriend at a time before they get married to them.

Um, no - it's that the government currently running the US is intolerant of homosexuality. George W. Bush isn't saying that homosexuality is evil - but he is denying gay and lesbian people the rights to live as freely as straight people don't even need to wonder about receiving.

Now, what difference is it going to make to society if marriage does disappear from our culture? Nothing. A lot of couples never do get married, and they aren't bringing about the fall of society. Marriage, in fact, has become, for the most part, a custom, and serves no other purpose in many cases than to say, "look, they got married."



What?


Yes, very much "err..."

Ok, one when I was Refering to Gay marriage I was not only taking about Gays but also lesbians Almond.

now to the Rusted one, 1: yes 2: LOL, yeah, I know but as I am a Cristian, or rather some what of one, I just don't think a man has any right to have more then one wife. 3: true but it's still a sin in the eyes of god. 4: Acording to the bible marriage is the lawful unin of two people, (usely it's beteen a man and a woman the way God intened it to be.) but now that gay and lesbian want to have equal rights to marriage it would have to chanage. and it may crush the way that a family lives in their daily lives....
5:I was referiny to my man hood when I said

*gets kicked in the Jews*

as a joke, ah why Should I have had even bothered none of my Jokes never woked at Planet community and none of my jokes well never work here ether.
6:what I said was that Eather God is some holy Goust or he is a very advaned Alien, that came from another dimtion, with a gaint fution bomb, Shrugs or the Cration of the universe could be as simple as a cimmiloc reation who knows for sheer all we knoe is it happened so lets be thankful of that. 7: and yes I know I can be confusing at times .......

~Ryu

[Sach I. Weirdo]

Ok my veiw - I think homsexual marriages are not right and I persaonally don't agree with them. I don't think i country should legalize them. This is my veiw. I personally don't care if your gay even though I don't agree with it doesn't mean I hate the person. I hate the major public homosexuals. I don't like going to a pu8blic place and finding 2 guys making ou t or something. that includes kiss and other stuff.

Sacherry 8)

[Moonlight Espeon]

Originally posted by Sach I. Weirdo
Ok my veiw - I think homsexual marriages are not right and I persaonally don't agree with them. I don't think i country should legalize them. This is my veiw. I personally don't care if your gay even though I don't agree with it doesn't mean I hate the person. I hate the major public homosexuals. I don't like going to a pu8blic place and finding 2 guys making ou t or something. that includes kiss and other stuff.

Sacherry 8)

I'd like to specifically quote one sentence:

I don't like going to a public place and finding 2 guys making out or something.

Does it matter? We are all humans, we were all simply cells once. Gender doesn't really exist, if you put it into perspective, because we all started the same but branched off from each other as we grew older and more developed. Also, two guys wouldn't make out in public o_O;;; straight pairs don't do that either, and I doubt they kiss much in public... For goodness sakes, a guy and a girl making out in public would be just as disgusting!

I have no idea why I am arguing about this, since I am straight, but it gives me something to do. 8)

P.S.: It's spelled "view". Not "veiw".

[Nikku-San]

Well, this is going to sound VERY hypocrital, but I don't like homosexuals as a public either. ^^;; A lot of gay people can be well, obnoxious, especially those in the media. But it's not just TV show homosexuals either. I watched this documentary on PBS where a group of gay people were trying to take over a black community. Yes, take over, they said "we are going to make this an all-gay community". They forced the elderly and sick out of their homes just so they could piss people off with a nude parade. Also, they hung a gay pride flag on a man's flag-pole. When the man tore it down, he was arrested for ethnic prejudice. What the flip?! I really don't like how some gays can get away with anything, it really not fair. Don't they have any pride? Sorry, just thought I'd say that since it REALLY pissed me off.

As for the making out in public, jeesh, just don't look. Nobody likes to watch other people making out. But if someone I was going out with (guy or girl) did me a favor or gave me some good news, I'd kiss them. Nothing gross about that.

As for Aquatic Fury's explanation, okay... We are now human beings and we DO have gender and sexuality. Fact is, no one wants to watch two people go at it in public. (Unless they are into that kinda stuff. o.O)

[Moonlight Espeon]

Really, the only distinct part between us (males and females) is body parts. The way the bodies function has nothing to do with it, unless you want a baby, which is a whole different thing.

As for your explanation about how those gays did that to the village, not all gays are like that. Those are the people who despise the straight ones because they have different preferences. That's taking gay and straight too far, and I agree with you, that was a very inappropriate thing to do, but it doesn't change the fact that that was only a few people. As they say, you can't judge a book by its cover.

[Systematic Revolution]

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*Pwnz Kelly*

I am all for same-sex marriage. I think gays and lesbians and bisexuals deserve the right to marry whoever they want regardless of sex. It's just not right to discriminate against a person because of sexual preference. I mean, I don't agree with the views exactly, but I don't think they should be discriminated against. And I dunno of United Methodist says "OMG HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG" or not.

~SR

[Moonlight Espeon]

Uhh... o_O;;; Not exactly what I had in mind for pwning me, but whatever xD

Plus, "gay" doesn't really mean homosexual... somebody obviously just made that up. In the olden days (XD) it meant simply happy, or joyful, and now it's evolved into the description for a homo, an insult (controversially) and still a meaning for joyful. It's interesting sometimes how the meaning of words can slowly waver and get messed up O_o

Not that I'm a huge supporter of gays, because I don't exactly agree with them, but that doesn't change the fact that they are still humans and deserve the same amount of respect as we do.

[Systematic Revolution]

k NOW I can pwn you. It DOES really mean homosexual.

gay
adj. gay·er, gay·est

1. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
2. Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry.
3. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room.
4. Given to social pleasures.
5. Dissolute; licentious.

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~SR

[Moonlight Espeon]

Yeah, maybe it's in the dictionary like that. But who knows if it was like that long ago? The book I am currently reading right now, Tom Sawyer, uses the word "gay" as a term for joy and "fagged" for a description of a person who is tired. They might have just added that in when saying "that's so gay" became a new trend.

[Nikku-San]

I have many old and semi-old dictionaries in my home and I can assure you, gay was not a synonym for homsexual back then. It's a semi-recent (past couple of decades, I guess) thing and it's kinda stupid. But I guess it's better than homo. As for me, I like the term bi, it's short and simple.

[The Rusted One]

Originally posted by Ryu Slayer X 2.0
now to the Rusted one, 1: yes 2: LOL, yeah, I know but as I am a Cristian, or rather some what of one, I just don't think a man has any right to have more then one wife. 3: true but it's still a sin in the eyes of god. 4: Acording to the bible marriage is the lawful unin of two people, (usely it's beteen a man and a woman the way God intened it to be.) but now that gay and lesbian want to have equal rights to marriage it would have to chanage. and it may crush the way that a family lives in their daily lives....

Does a marriage between a man and a woman that you don't know have any effect on your life, or the lives of anybody else who doesn't know them? No. Why should a marriage between a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, have any different effects?
Families are families - they are not based on the premise that homosexual marriages are disallowed by law.

5:I was referiny to my man hood when I said as a joke, ah why Should I have had even bothered none of my Jokes never woked at Planet community and none of my jokes well never work here ether.

Yeah, no, I got it was a joke - I just didn't find it any sort of humourous.

Nikku - sure, I'm past it now too.

But as to why "gay" now refers, based on context, to homosexuality - the widely held view is that "gay", or more correctly, "G.A.Y", stemmed from "Good As You", a kind of motto or mantra to shout in the faces of those who would discriminate. This may, or may not, be true - but the name was adopted in the 1980s by the homosexual population itself - it was not assigned to them, but chosen by them.

[Mancetric_Trainer]

I think gay marraige should be legalized ( me and my twin sis being bisexual and all) I don't really see the big deal, it's almost seems strange to me. They act like where not humans are something....we make up a good portion of the population like anyone else. Just like blacks,jews,lations,handicaps, WHATEVER! First white and black people weren't allowed to get married just because one reason, because there diffrent from one another. Some people might think it sounds strange that white and black people couldn't be together back in the days but now it's not that big of a deal, hopefully it's like that for everyone one day.

And Nikku-San that was just plain sterotyping, I don't wanna be rude but I think sterotyping is just ignorant ( not calling you ignorant) so just because of that you think the millions of gay/lesbian/bi people are obnixuos? Yea I guess all black people are ghetto gangsters, all white people are goofy hyper rich people, all arab people are terrorist and so on!!!!!

The funny thing is alot of people know how is it to be gay and not even be gay. And what I mean is as long as there diffrent they know. heavyset,handicap,black,latino,white,jews,musilms, so many things. People talk about other people when there diffrent themsevles. I hate when people sterotype white people as goofy and racist and call them white boy are white girl. Are think all asian people know karate and can't drive. EVERYONE IS DIFFRENT ON THIS PLANET WHEN WILL PEOPLE REALIZE THIS IS A GOOD THING!

Heavyset people are called names like fat and other rude names. Blacks are called names like *igger and worse words.
So are jews.
Mexicans.
Skinny people.
People with big ears.
People with small ears.

Oops im ranting well basically I guess im saying there just diffrent so no big deal, I wonder when people will learn.

[Systematic Revolution]

Originally posted by Nikku-San
I have many old and semi-old dictionaries in my home and I can assure you, gay was not a synonym for homsexual back then. It's a semi-recent (past couple of decades, I guess) thing and it's kinda stupid. But I guess it's better than homo. As for me, I like the term bi, it's short and simple.

Lol, you know that bi does not equal gay right? Bi is short for Bisexual, meaning you find both sexes attractive. I'm not trying to sound like a know-it-all, but the way you said it sounds like you prefer calling someone bi over calling someone gay, which is technically wrong :x

~SR

[Razola]

Originally posted by The Rusted One
But as to why "gay" now refers, based on context, to homosexuality - the widely held view is that "gay", or more correctly, "G.A.Y", stemmed from "Good As You", a kind of motto or mantra to shout in the faces of those who would discriminate. This may, or may not, be true - but the name was adopted in the 1980s by the homosexual population itself - it was not assigned to them, but chosen by them.

And the bigots turn that around to stand for "Got Aids Yet?". Such wit, eh?

I wish we could drop the slang for gay and return it to the proud word it once was. But that goes for a lot of words that have been marred by sexual conotations.

[The Rusted One]

I seem to remember you, Raz, not objecting to the word use of the word "gay" (in concern with the sexual meaning of it) as a derogatory phrase. I certainly don't regard that as returning the word to its once "proud" state of being - and why should it no longer be such a "proud" word when identified with a particular sexual orientation?

[Almond]

Originally posted by Systematic Revolution
Lol, you know that bi does not equal gay right? Bi is short for Bisexual, meaning you find both sexes attractive. I'm not trying to sound like a know-it-all, but the way you said it sounds like you prefer calling someone bi over calling someone gay, which is technically wrong :x

~SR

Yes, I'm pretty sure she knows the difference. (The only people I know who DON'T know the difference are my father and stepmother --;;) She was just saying she thinks "bi" is a better word than "gay", probably because people don't go around trying to figure out where it came from all the time.

"Good as you" sounds to me like a phrase that was formed from an already-existing word. I doubt that's where the phrase "gay" to mean "homosexual" came from.

[Razola]

Originally posted by The Rusted One
I seem to remember you, Raz, not objecting to the word use of the word "gay" (in concern with the sexual meaning of it) as a derogatory phrase. I certainly don't regard that as returning the word to its once "proud" state of being - and why should it no longer be such a "proud" word when identified with a particular sexual orientation?

I have no problem with the right for people to use it that way regardless of how it's used. People have freedom of speech, my arguments were not about my personal feelings.

My personal opinion is that I don't like people snickering whenever you try to quote a story, song, or other piece of literature. Other words killed by associations with sex are words like screw or **** (I bet the latter is filtered, right?). Now that I think about it, I suppose it's not a really bad thing at all, just that people need to be more mature.

[Royal_Goddess_Tina]

In my opinion... OF COURSE Same-Sex marriages should legalized... Marriage is supposed to be a sacred bond of love... Love is not prejudice... So, people shouldn't be prejudice to people who are in love just because they are same-sex... I have no clue if that really made any sense, so let me just re-state my opinion... YES, I think same-sex marriages should be legalized. I do not know why there is such a big debate over this... It's obvious what the answer should be.... YES! It's called... Human Rights... It's the human's right to chose their mate... lol.

[The Rusted One]

Originally posted by Raz
I have no problem with the right for people to use it that way regardless of how it's used. People have freedom of speech, my arguments were not about my personal feelings.

My personal opinion is that I don't like people snickering whenever you try to quote a story, song, or other piece of literature. Other words killed by associations with sex are words like screw or **** (I bet the latter is filtered, right?). Now that I think about it, I suppose it's not a really bad thing at all, just that people need to be more mature.

I can see your point; but yes, it's more that people need to exercise more maturity than the words themselves having the sexual reference to them, if there is any mature reason for the association, needing to be changed.

[Agent Elrond]

All I can say at the moment is that Blinky-numberperson should go read The Merlin Conspiracy. What with all his/her going on about praying and repenting sins and that stuff.

Myself, I think same sax marraige should definitely be allowed, I mean, if opposite sax marraige is legal, so should same sex marraige, like two sides of a coin.

I have no problem with gays/lesbians/bisexuals/transexuals/crossdressers and all that other stuff. That's who you are, and I respect that.

I have no problem with people who think homosexuality is weird, or unnatural, that's you point of view, and you're welcome to it.

I do have problems with people who would be unconditionally nasty to other people based on some fundemental aspect of their nature, it's just not nice, and I don't like mean people.

Quite honestly I think this topic has been done to death, with the conclusion that there will never be peace, no one will ever agree on anything.

"Life is suffering, it is hard, the world is cursed. And yet we still find reasons to keep on living..."

--- Osa from Princess Mononoke

(Oh yes, off topic note here, Raz's strange speach in his earlier posts was do to the fact that it was Talk Like A Pirate Day, funny no one realized this. Good for you Raz for remembering, I completely forgot. )

[Tallest_Los]

Originally posted by Bleeding Blue
See I dont think he should get flamed. I agree with him that I believe its totally wrong. That's my oppinion. I think life was made a certain way and that wasnt part of it. Im not religous. I dont go to church. I didnt read anything saying it was a "sin." Its sort of like stick a fork in a toaster.

And regarding to another post about your best friend being gay, I wouldnt be his friend. The very thought actually make me sick. I dont know anyone that is gay and Im glad to say that

It shouldnt be legalized and thats that. No one should be flamed for how they think. its how the gay people think when they make their desicion for their sexuallity. Still I think its wrong.

If you would completley disregard and abandon your best friend if he/she told you they were gay, you are an evil, heartless person, and you don't know the meaning of the word friendship.

"I think life was made a certain way and that wasn't part of it"

Okay...if live wasn't MADE that way, then how did homosexuality appear? Magic? You idiot. Homosexuality is natural. It has existed since sexuality has. It's a part of the world. ONE out of every TEN people is gay. When you go outside next, one out of every ten people you see will be gay. You'll see like 40 gay people every day. But it's not part of the natural word? No? Gah.

[Iveechan]

Wearing clothes isn't natural. Eating twinkies isn't natural. Driving cars that harm the environment isn't natural. So why are these things accepted yet people are still so hard-headed about homosexuality? Do people not realize you are born that way, and being homophobic is the same as being a racist? Gay and bi folks aren't harming you, so what the flub is the big deal? Will gay marriage destroy the world? Hell no.

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[Mancetric_Trainer]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...lemaybeborngay

Interesting.

[The Rusted One]

Interesting, yes. While it's still up to individual interpretation, at least now there's some sort of evidence for what many members of the board have accepted already - that homosexuality is something someone is born with, not learns.

I find it interesting that the PPI in lesbian women and gay men are approximately the same - 33-33%, far different (though the article downplays the difference between straight and gay men in terms of this) from their heterosexual counterparts. This would seem to indicate, as the study states, that lesbian women are more "masculine" and gay men more "feminine", meeting at what seems an almost definite figure; this would suggest the same sort of causes as to why they are homosexual, such as a universal condition before birth or genetics themselves. I'd like to see how those here who believe homosexuality to be a learned characteristic explain this away, and provide the however-many different circumstances that would cause a non-learned behaviour to be changed in such a way that it gives results very close to each other across the board (i.e., 32-33%).

[RaZoR LeAf]

Originally posted by Mancetric_Trainer
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...lemaybeborngay

Interesting.

Funny, when compared with recent news that says therapy can "cure" gay people. I haven't read the story but apparently of a number of gay people put into said therapy, 70% or so males and 95% females have "gone straight". Bullshiz if you ask me.

Interesteing fact, did you know that the reason lesbianism isn't frowned upon as much as male homosexualism, is because Queen Victoria wouldn't accepted it existed. And so it never became a crime.

[Almond]

I haven't read the story but apparently of a number of gay people put into said therapy, 70% or so males and 95% females have "gone straight".

And 95% or so of them either (A) weren't gay but bisexual or (B) wind up switching back to being gay within five years. The other 5% generally end up committing suicide.

I'm bisexual. If I so desired, I could "go straight" - suppress my feelings for the same gender (well, I'm also trans so it's a bit more complicated, but still) and pretend to be a normal, straight female. That doesn't mean that I would be one, just that I would only be expressing my feelings for men.

[The Muffin Man]

Notice Sacherrys wording? Two-GUYS kissing.

It's apparent that in the world today, if a gay man went out with his boyfriend and made out with him, people would be disgusted. They'd yell insults and tell him to go away.

Yet if a girl and her girlfriend made out, it'd be "hot", and those same homophobes would crowd around to see it...

It's sick, really.

[The Rusted One]

I also find that hard to grasp; that, and why, exactly, lesbian sexual activity is so "hot(t)". I've never really found it all that attractive, really - I mean, each to his or her own with what he/she finds attractive (in terms of guys finding lesbian sex exciting, etc.), but I can't see what makes it special when it's two women. And yes, why is it that two gay men, in the same situation, would not be seen as attractive, but obscene and weird?

[Mancetric_Trainer]

It basically shows how ignorant humans can be. People think how the media, etc what's them to think. Lesbians is still homosexuality. A guy would call a guy a homo for not liking homo's. If you were to ask the person why is it ok for girls and not guys they would come up with a typical dumb answers like, cause it's hot and guys are sick...when it's basically the same thing. Im still happy for lesbians, they can hold hand's in public, etc. I do have to say that I am jealous a little, kidna no fair! Maybe guys will be able to do it soon?

[Razola]

Originally posted by The Rusted One
I also find that hard to grasp; that, and why, exactly, lesbian sexual activity is so "hot(t)". I've never really found it all that attractive, really - I mean, each to his or her own with what he/she finds attractive (in terms of guys finding lesbian sex exciting, etc.), but I can't see what makes it special when it's two women. And yes, why is it that two gay men, in the same situation, would not be seen as attractive, but obscene and weird?

Simple math.

One woman is great, two is better. Two having sex is awesome. Now, that's only for pornographic purposes. Obviously a man is going to want a heterosexual woman to go to bed with.

Like you said, whatever floats your boat.

Originally posted by the person above me
It basically shows how ignorant humans can be. People think how the media, etc what's them to think. Lesbians is still homosexuality. A guy would call a guy a homo for not liking homo's. If you were to ask the person why is it ok for girls and not guys they would come up with a typical dumb answers like, cause it's hot and guys are sick...when it's basically the same thing. Im still happy for lesbians, they can hold hand's in public, etc. I do have to say that I am jealous a little, kidna no fair! Maybe guys will be able to do it soon?

You're not thinking of the media's real power. The media has no control over what you think (or else people would be a lot more knowing of world events). It controls what we think about. Why do you think we're talking about this thread? If news never covered all the gay rights issues over the summer, there'd be little discussion.

Women don't get as much slack as you think. And homosexuals are quickly gaining acceptance...at least at a faster rate than in past years...a rate I dislike. I'd go in depth, but I'd rather see how many irrate flies I can attract with that opinion's honey.

[Mancetric_Trainer]

Simple math.

One woman is great, two is better. Two having sex is awesome. Now, that's only for pornographic purposes. Obviously a man is going to want a heterosexual woman to go to bed with.

Like you said, whatever floats your boat.

Um I don't think that was the point, who would blame guys for finding two women together attractive? I sure wouldn't, but it doesn't make much since that they argee that two woman can be together and not two men. They don't have to find what the men are doing attractive but why would they insult them when they are also expressing there feelings just like the women.

You're not thinking of the media's real power. The media has no control over what you think (or else people would be a lot more knowing of world events). It controls what we think about. Why do you think we're talking about this thread? If news never covered all the gay rights issues over the summer, there'd be little discussion.

Women don't get as much slack as you think. And homosexuals are quickly gaining acceptance...at least at a faster rate than in past years...a rate I dislike. I'd go in depth, but I'd rather see how many irrate flies I can attract with that opinion's honey.

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[titandude21]

I am heterosexual and cannot see life from a homosexual's viewpoint, but I respect homosexuals. They made a decision (partly based on genes) that they have a liking or a preference to a certain group of people. There aren't a lot of them (last time i checked 3-4% is considered a minority), but if we were to treat every minority group hastily, whether it'd be race, religion, hobbies, sexual preference, whatever, then we'd all be fighting 24/7 and we would basically turn into savages or something. I mean, think about it, we're all members of a Pokemon Forum, which definitely consists of less than 3-4% of the population, but it doesn't make us different as people. You don't have to like the sexual preference of others (and unless you're pursuing a relationship with them you shouldn't care), but leave it at that, because if you do not take in sexual preference into account, homosexuals are human beings, and therefore should be treated like human beings.

[The Rusted One]

Originally posted by titandude21
I am heterosexual and cannot see life from a homosexual's viewpoint, but I respect homosexuals. They made a decision (partly based on genes) that they have a liking or a preference to a certain group of people.

It's nice that you accept them, etc., but they didn't choose to be gay/lesbian/bisexual. They just are. Much the same as you didn't choose to be attracted and develop feelings for girls.

[KaptainSarcasm]

Just as an interesting sidenote, women think two guys together is hot. I, of course, am part of the yaoi/yuri fanbase in the anime world, and I'll break down my experiences here:

Yaoi: Fanbase is made up mostly of girls. They like to put thier two hottest boys together and have 'em fall in love. Being a lesbian, I don't really see the attraction, but I'm a yaoi fan too. Just not hentai or anything. "Shonen-ai" if you wanna be technical.

Yuri: Fanbase is mostly gay women and straight males. Doesn't really need an explination. ::shrug::

Anyway, it's just interesting to see who would be grossed out and who wouldn't. Meh.

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