World of Warcraft: Take 2

[Razola]

[b]Death and Taxes is a guild right? Do you honestly think Blizzard would nerf a raid dungeon because a small handfull of players demanded it?

They caved; the Raid forums were a storm, and Death & Taxes made a post that parodied a whine post made by Tigole & Furor during their EQ days.

[Razola]

The question is; are you doing that list from -your- perspective or from a -raid- perspective?

His perspective, because druids just spam Hibernate during Razorgore and heal at the end. It requires a shitload of organization and thought on the whole of the raid. Razorgore just requires certain classes to stop dps when he gets low on HP. Sure, you have to pay attention for the mortal Strikes, but that is not difficult by any stretch of the imagination.

Broodlord is like a chest full of epics; Blizzard's way of rewarding you for all the bullshit you had to deal with beforehand.

[Red Angel]

Healers have to be far more attentive to Broodlord than Razorgore. Razorgore is casual as. Broodlord actually requires some focus on my part. Whenever BWL starts I generally wake up when we hit Vael.

See the cave-in by Blizzard? Death & Taxes threatened to delete all their accounts if AQ40 wasn't nerfed and they got their wish.

Healers, maybe, though I remember doing a bit of kiting on my Druid too.

On Razorgore on my hunter, I'm running around the roon like a gerbil on speed, kiting anywhere from two to five dragonkin - one screw-up and it's over for me. On Broodlord, I just stand there and shoot, Feign Death when it's up.

[Last Exile]

I have +442 healing now and it can still get a lot better.

[Andrew]

I have a WOW 14 day trial.... which server should I go to. Or do I not have a choice?

[Razola]

I have +442 healing now and it can still get a lot better.

I have broken 500 without enchants, and I have one piece of BWL loot.

Granted, I make some sacrifices in other stats to pull it off.

[Red Angel]

Our guild infiltrated Ogrimmar and killed Thrall yesterday. Lots of fun. Loot was just over 1G and just under 500 honor per person. Kinda sad that killing a faction leader gives less honor than 2 players, no?

[Razola]

Our guild infiltrated Ogrimmar and killed Thrall yesterday. Lots of fun. Loot was just over 1G and just under 500 honor per person. Kinda sad that killing a faction leader gives less honor than 2 players, no?

They stated that killing leaders is mainly for roleplaying or some excuse like that. It's basically a deterrent so people aren't constantly attacking cities and crashing their crappy servers.

BACK TO BATTLEGROUNDS.

[Last Exile]

Had a decent last few days lootwise. Robes of the Guardian Saint, Staff of Rampant Growth and Highlander's Spaulders.

C'Thun kill vids are out. Very crazy fight.

Naxxaramas previews are out too. This one looks good.

[Craig]

I'd imagine the druid squad of TPM is quite happy about next patch's decision regarding innervate

[Hatake Kakashi]

[b]Death and Taxes is a guild right? Do you honestly think Blizzard would nerf a raid dungeon because a small handfull of players demanded it?

Multiple guilds across multiple servers threatened to join them.

Meaning if Death and Taxes left, a bunch of huge name guilds on their servers would up and leave: Horde and Alliance. In fact, Ebon Order(huge Alliance guild on Durotan) and I think The Nothing or Arisen(huge Horde guilds on Durotan) both threatened to join them.

Blizzard had no choice BUT to cave, considering that'd be a huge chunk of high end raiders just up and quitting. The PVP ladder system would go to shit for a while.


Also what's the innervate change comin in the Mage patch? Also, any notes on the Mage changes yet? My main is a mage so I'm quite interested to see how they're gonna rape Arcane so builds aren't "Arcane/(insert Fire or Frost secondary)".

[Razola]

Innervate will be available to all druids at level 40, and there's a nifty new talen for Druids in its place.

[Last Exile]

Woot, i'll never be pressured to go resto again once i get innervate as a lv40.

[Leon-IH]

I'd imagine the druid squad of TPM is quite happy about next patch's decision regarding innervate

Can I get ms as a level 40 skill now blizzard? at least give me a trainable TM?

Yay for druids being such whiny fucks blizzard caves in on this sort of thing.

[Red Angel]

Mage review is out on IGN... wow. It's almost as screwed up as the pally review.

Can I get ms as a level 40 skill now blizzard? at least give me a trainable TM?

Yay for druids being such whiny ****s blizzard caves in on this sort of thing.

Are you forced to go MS to raid? Didn't think so.

I can agree with you on TM, though.

[Leon-IH]

Are you forced to go MS to raid? Didn't think so.

I can agree with you on TM, though.

About 1 in every 3 raiding guilds -forces- innervate, on my servers anyway.

Keeping in mind the demand for druids out there, thats not too serious.

Sidenote: Warrior without MS is about as good in PvP as a dead rat on a stick unless said warrior carries full BWL/PvP/MC epics.

[Last Exile]

All specs and classes have their strengths and weaknesses. You live with them.

Mages are going to get instant cast Evocation and Arcane Explosion in their upgrade. And they are still able to do crits for 6k+ in PvP, so I don't see why Mages would complain. They can die easily but they can kill just as easily.

[Ultimate Charizard]

Well im on the Azjol Nerub server, not sure if Euro and US servers are Linked though.

I did have an Ork Hunter but then i left the game for a while and im now back with a Dwarf Warrior. Currently though im only at lvl 15 so im just moving around between Stormwind and Ironforge doing tasks.

[Hatake Kakashi]

All specs and classes have their strengths and weaknesses. You live with them.

Mages are going to get instant cast Evocation and Arcane Explosion in their upgrade. And they are still able to do crits for 6k+ in PvP, so I don't see why Mages would complain. They can die easily but they can kill just as easily.

Evocation is a channeling spell.

[Razola]

Can I get ms as a level 40 skill now blizzard? at least give me a trainable TM?

Yay for druids being such whiny fucks blizzard caves in on this sort of thing.

Why do you warriors have more roles in raids than "hybrid" classes?

Shut up, in other words.

[Hatake Kakashi]

Seriously. Play a Druid.

Then try and get into a good guild without being Resto Specced up to Innervate.

TRY IT. It's impossible. Because Moonkin don't have enough mana, Feral can't heal in shapeshift forms, and Resto really can't fight. Innervate is pretty much a necessity. Otherwise, the Druids not gonna be doing much more than sucking.

[Razola]

My guild only requires 21 resto, and even that is very loose. So I call bullshit on that.

[Red Angel]

And they are still able to do crits for 6k+ in PvP, so I don't see why Mages would complain.

Oh please. Dual Trinkets (not even possible anymore) + Arcane Power + Berzerking Buff (+30% damage dealt) + Berzerking buff on a Berzerker Stance Warrior (+20% damage taken) is hardly standard. I watched my mage friend PvP - 6-piece Netherwind, Briarwood Reed, Talisman. I didn't see a single crit over 2k (he's Frost Specced).

[Razola]

Briarwood Reed cracks me up.

[Hatake Kakashi]

Oh please. Dual Trinkets (not even possible anymore) + Arcane Power + Berzerking Buff (+30% damage dealt) + Berzerking buff on a Berzerker Stance Warrior (+20% damage taken) is hardly standard. I watched my mage friend PvP - 6-piece Netherwind, Briarwood Reed, Talisman. I didn't see a single crit over 2k (he's Frost Specced).

You know, Fire is the big damage spec....


And Raz: I was agreeing with you that Innervate is necessary.

My guild only requires 21 resto, and even that is very loose.

This just seems to further prove my point. 21 Resto is very loose requirments for a Druid because it stops right before Innervate, a necessary skill.

[Last Exile]

Seriously. Play a Druid.

Then try and get into a good guild without being Resto Specced up to Innervate.

TRY IT. It's impossible. Because Moonkin don't have enough mana, Feral can't heal in shapeshift forms, and Resto really can't fight. Innervate is pretty much a necessity. Otherwise, the Druids not gonna be doing much more than sucking.

]Absolute load of crap.

I got into a Top 3 guild on my server with a 30/21 spec. They let me get as much feral gear as I do healing. It does happen. DOn't knock it just because you didn't get it.

[Hatake Kakashi]

]Absolute load of crap.

I got into a Top 3 guild on my server with a 30/21 spec. They let me get as much feral gear as I do healing. It does happen. DOn't knock it just because you didn't get it.

I'm not knocking being feral.

I'm just saying that Innervate is the most useful skill a Druid has.

[Red Angel]

You know, Fire is the big damage spec....

And specced fire, with slightly (I think 5 NW, and Staff of Dominance rather than Shadow Wing Focus Staff), his record was a 2900 Pyro crit with Arcane Power and ToeP up. Pyroblast is a SIX second cast without Presence of Mind (another 3 minute cooldown).

[Last Exile]

Pfft, the Frost mages in my guild can crit for over 6k and one of them was screenied for doing a 9200 Frostbolt.

[Razola]

You know, Fire is the big damage spec....


And Raz: I was agreeing with you that Innervate is necessary.
This just seems to further prove my point. 21 Resto is very loose requirments for a Druid because it stops right before Innervate, a necessary skill.

So you don't play druid? Thanks for clearing that up.

Innervate is a 31-point skill. Twenty-Points is not "right before it", it's 10 fucking points off.

And how does my guild not requiring Innervate make it neccesary? Stupid stupid stupid.

[Leon-IH]

And specced fire, with slightly (I think 5 NW, and Staff of Dominance rather than Shadow Wing Focus Staff), his record was a 2900 Pyro crit with Arcane Power and ToeP up. Pyroblast is a SIX second cast without Presence of Mind (another 3 minute cooldown).

Go watch firepower by Badrasta, he gets Pyro's over 4k quite alot (it's a horrible video, but I figure the crits he gets are worth mentioning), the guy doesn't even have BWL gear. My friend also has 3.5k fireball crits logged, with no bwl gear either.

Speaking from a warrior perspective.. best MS crit I've had was 1906 (using Halberd of Smiting while Enraged -nerfed enrage-, crusader buffed, berserking buffed), so seeing crits that would leave me with < 1000 HP makes me a fraction worried.

[Craig]

Why don't we all just post photos of our characters? I know that Raz has posted a pic of his guy a long time ago on his AV mount, and in Moonkin form.. but I've always kind of wondered what your little druid looks like CCC

Here's what my dude looks like right now. I'm sure one of you will nitpick "lol crown of destruction" but thats just cause it looks awesome I use my DS helm for fights where I need to dps as much as possible. My guild has just started to run BWL.

[Last Exile]

1. I don't know how to take screenshots.
2. I don't know if I can retrieve/access them.

[Craig]

Just take a screenshot of your guy, hit PRINT SCREEN. Then just open up paint and paste. Thats the easiest way for really fast screenshots to do right then. Otherwise they are stored in the WoW Folder under screenshots subfolder and you need a program that can view TIFS or whatever they are to edit them and save them as something else resize etc.

[Last Exile]

.....TWIN EMPS DOWNED AT LAST!.............

[Leon-IH]

My group just pwnt rag in the face (with 37 people, including one healer going LD pre-sons and a lvl58 priest).

Ragnaros @ malowned.

[Hatake Kakashi]

So you don't play druid? Thanks for clearing that up.

Innervate is a 31-point skill. Twenty-Points is not "right before it", it's 10 fucking points off.

And how does my guild not requiring Innervate make it neccesary? Stupid stupid stupid.

I see you're still as stupid as ever.

On the talent tree. 10 points is 2 sets of talents.
Which would be, what, class?
Right before it.

And YOU not having Innervate means they don't need Innervate ever at all on any Druid that they ever encounter and don't care if they never see its' benefits ever in their entire guild run even when their priests are running low on Mana and could use an Inntervate right quick? Oh right, no it doesn't. Because ONE guild not needing it and the skill being almost necessary are two totally different things.


Jesus you're even an obnoxious jackass when people are siding with you until you can disagree with them HERE.

[Last Exile]

Scored Heavy Dark Iron Ring and Shard of the Scale today.

Look, the point is now since all Druids will get Innervate, there will be less Resto Druids around because I doubt people really want Swiftmeld.

[Craig]

So we went into BWL for the 3rd time ever tonight..

Razorgore - Dead

Vael - Dead

on the 4th attempt no doubt. It was an exciting experience like no other. Vael is a badass! FLAME! DEATH! DESTRUCTION!

[Red Angel]

Chrommagus is officially on farm for us now. We're hoping to get Nef down this weekend, we've been getting better and better at handling stage 1, and we got pretty far into stage two last night.