Gym Leaders Discussion - All ideas here please

[Mega Horny]

Yes, I would so lead a Ground Monotype Gym.

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

Yes I know DD, but if I got elected or something, ofcourse I would catch more pokemon of a specific type. The pokemon I have no are just favorites. *coughandawesomecough*

[Knight of Time]

Heh, if I was lucky enough to be picked as a GL, I wouldn't want to have to choose only one type of Pokemon (or even worse, for Pokemon of different types with at least one common weakness). After all, doesn't the GL have to be a bit of a tough opponent?

[Chris 2.1]

DD: The unevolved dilemma is a worthless point. You are forgetting Gym Leader's will be around for...well, forever. Are you going to take on some massive Pokemon with a little Rattata as soon as Gym Leaders are established? Or do like in the games and TRAIN your team before you take on a Gym. I'd personally do the latter.

And this discussion is getting very big. I'll remind you that we're not going to be able to please all of you. I'm personally in favour of non-type Gyms. The Anime has had type gyms but has also shown unofficial gyms not to fall under those catagories (AJ's Gym, Yas and Kas, even Giovanni himself).

Gyms don't need to be themed, either. Gym Leaders are obviously recognised by us as moderators (and the community, I believe) to be strong people - do they need to conform to a theme? I don't think so.

[Everoy]

Gyms don't need to be themed, either. Gym Leaders are obviously recognised by us as moderators (and the community, I believe) to be strong people - do they need to conform to a theme? I don't think so.

But the point still stands that people don't want to face the same pokemon in every gym. Albeit, not everyone likes the same four pokemon as their favorites, but that doesn't mean they won't have anything in common.

The point of it in the games is so that people could prepare by catching pokemon of a certain type. The point in the anime was continuity with the games. Having pokemon covering all of the bases for a gym leader would make them a helluva lot tougher.

And another point, if the gyms don't have themes, the only thing making them different from regular trainers it the badge.

[Ace64]

If every Pokemon in one's team is allowed to fight in the Gym, then not everyone will have the same four Pokemon. I can think of three people with a Metagross, and three people with a Charizard- five Gyms won't have them, and none of them will be used the same way either. Fighting the same Pokemon doesn't mean the battle will be identical.

And I don't want easy Gym fights, do you?If they're leaders, then they should be strong. I shouldn't be able to bring a few electric and grass Pokemon to a Gym and be able to slaughter four water types. That's not a challenge.

Even without themes, the gyms will be different, because each Leader fights a little differently.

[Chris 2.1]

While Gym Leaders are tough it should also be noted the point is for people to win badges. Theyre expected to be beatable (and I sure am)

[Everoy]

Meh, I guess mI'm just too hooked on the games to think of gyms as anything other than themed XD

[Charles Legend]

Gyms are a good I deah however I like the contest better to be honest, the only thing I would not like is if I were a gymleader (as if that would ever happen) and had a dragon team I would not me able to use them out side of the gym...

however I do have a Question though. say I was a gym leader(again unlikly to happen) would the pokémon I picked say my dragonite for Example, would he be able to be in contest or only at the gym matchs only?

~Charles Legend

[Chris 2.1]

I think, given reactions to Dans post, Pokemon would be used in all ASB things from Gym Matches, Contests, Tournaments or regular battles.

[Spike]

If every Pokemon in one's team is allowed to fight in the Gym, then not everyone will have the same four Pokemon. I can think of three people with a Metagross, and three people with a Charizard- five Gyms won't have them, and none of them will be used the same way either. Fighting the same Pokemon doesn't mean the battle will be identical.

And I don't want easy Gym fights, do you?If they're leaders, then they should be strong. I shouldn't be able to bring a few electric and grass Pokemon to a Gym and be able to slaughter four water types. That's not a challenge.

Even without themes, the gyms will be different, because each Leader fights a little differently.

That's why in the anime Gym Leaders have arenas that give them advantage. Although, I'm pretty sure that if Pikachu agreed to battle Misty, she would have fried both her stars in that arena.

However though, I believe gls should be able to use any pokemon they want and battle under the rules they set. Giving it a more anime look by making them have something in common should be really up to them.

[Chris 2.1]

So a Gym Leaders ability is based on their arena? Hmm I think they need a custom arena but not one that overly favours them. The Leader should be the challange, not the arena they battle in.

[Ultimate Charizard]

To be honest out of all here i agree mainly with Andrew.
Make the Gyms ASB'ers. Ie the Gym itself has its own team and its own Account. The Current Gym leader then manages the team and the account while in Charge. (ie does what they want with it)

On top of this reigster a couple (3/4) pokemon of the Gym Leaders to be useable in Gym Battles but not locked into gym use only.

As for the type argument, it probably is the best idea however give certain leniency to some types. Even Blaine had a Rhydon etc. Certain types (such as water) have a clear advantage due to the sheer number of double types they have such as Ground, Dragon, Electric.....infact is there a type that hasnt doubled with water?.....Steel i think is the only one.

[Dark Dragonite]

Actually, Ghost, Fire, Steel, and normal are the only non doubled waters....but, some of those, give 4X weakness, not an advantage...yes, it is an advantage to a point, but anything can overcome disadvantage...a la my abra beating houndours back before the restart...yes, abra is weak to dark, but has fighting type moves...

[Houndoom_Lover]

Besides badages, we could have gym leaders give out prizes like DarkSunglasses, to increase Dark power. And items like that should go with the theme of the gym. People could create items if there arn't any of their gym. And as for theme, there is always the Earth Gym, that never had a theme.

[Dark Dragonite]

Items will turn this into ASBRPG...as been said before...I aggree, or PCG...I want this to be unique, not complicated...like it used to be...but much better...lol...DRWS 00ber unown...

[Houndoom_Lover]

Oh ^_^ I guess your right. I really have no say in this, being so new as I am. How many gym leaders will we have?

[Chris 2.1]

We have decided on the 6 first Gym Leaders for when GLs are introduced. It is likely we will add more after that, perhaps stopping at 10.

[Knight of Time]

Interesting news, when will the GLs be revealed? I'm rather curious.

Edit: When someone's a gym leader, they're not going to be modded (unless they already are a mod) right?

[Chris 2.1]

We'll reveal them when we have fine-tuned the Gym Leader system. It won't be long.

And no, they won't be modded.

[Silencer]

6 huh? mind if we guess?

[Chris 2.1]

No but there's very little point other than to inflate/deflate peoples egos.

[Everoy]

I have my suspicions of a few, but I speculate about them out loud.

Okay, here's a good way to settle this:

Gym Leaders may use whatever four non-legendary pokemon they wish, whether they want to have a theme or not is their choice.
Gym Leaders cannot use their gym pokemon outside of their gym unless they use a pokemon belonging to them in their gym.
Gym Leaders may create their own arena, as long as it is does not completely favor the gym's pokemon.

Do those three ground rules make sense?

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

Rule two and three are no good IMO. It's ridiculous to shut down Gym pokemon from other battles and the arena is your own choice. I think it should be free.

[Everoy]

Rule two and three are no good IMO. It's ridiculous to shut down Gym pokemon from other battles and the arena is your own choice. I think it should be free.

Oh, what I mean with rule 2 is if someone uses a pokemon that they didn't already own it shouldn't be used in other battles, and if the leader is using a pokemon they already owned, they CAN use it in other battles. E.g., if I was to lead a gym (lol), and I used my Squirtle and Chinchou, and then also used a Milotic and Octillery, then I could still use my Squirtle and Chinchou in other battles, but I could not use my Milotic and Octillery in other battles because I don't actually own them. And with rule three, what doesn't make sense? Gym Leaders should pick what their gym looks like, thus becoming the arena, no?

[Silencer]

So you are just picking pokémon(milotic and octillery) from thin air?

[Everoy]

So you are just picking pokémon(milotic and octillery) from thin air?

Yup. But maybe the Gym Leaders should be required to use two of their own pokemon. That would make sense, because four pokemon out of thin air is a bit nonsensical.

[Chris 2.1]

Or they could use their own team members [/obvious]

I think your idea is extremely complex and we're making Gym Leaders as easy and friendly as possible (the system anyway - GL's don't have to be friendly at all). Furthermore people with small unevolved teams can't expect to be made a Gym Leader. A main aspect is expirience with the current ASB system.

Plans are being finalised as we speak and we are going to try and please the intense variety of opinion here without the system being a mess. The changes will be final, as this thread's purpose is to give your input, so when the final plans are up don't whine.

[Silencer]

So (most likely) the forth sloth and the GLs will be released soon? That's great news. ASB is restoring IMO. Although the most activety that it had was with the bussiness still... I'm sure that will be equaled someday.

[Everoy]

I won't whine, any Gym Leaders are better than none, I'm just trying to give input too... I guess it didn't seem complex to me, but then again I don't see most of my ideas as complex and they usually fail out of complexity. Ignore me o.*;;;

[Chris 2.1]

Lol that part wasnt aimed at you directly, it was at everyone. And as long as your in ASB you (or anyone) won't be ignored - everyone has a say.

[Everoy]

I know, I know, but I'm generally a complex person XD

[Dark Dragonite]

Furthermore people with small unevolved teams can't expect to be made a Gym Leader. A main aspect is expirience with the current ASB system.

Well, there goes me, lol...although I do have a bunch of non-evolvers, mostly normals!!

Anyway, I think this is obvious, but Chris2.0 and Razor Leaf should be 2 of the 6 GLs...they are pretty damned good at what they do...

[Hatake Kakashi]

I'm really fearful that this will end up like the old ASB gym leaders, where they never lost(or the battles went on forever. Of course, 90% of the Gym leaders had TMs that made them unbeatable for a time, and the refs were all brainwashed into thinking "Gym leader must be the best!")

[Andrew]

Or if they started to lose, just stop posting. Bastard Imperion. I hated him.

But what do you think of giving the Gyms their own account that I came up with? The Gym Leader than facilitates the gym's arena, the Pokemon used, the pokemon that stay with the gym ect...Thanks for the support Ultimate.

[Chris 2.1]

Hatake: I can't see that happening - particularly because I'm not the "unbeatable" type. If refs are being bias in Gym Matches they will be temporarily suspended from Reffing or demoted to a lower class.

Andrew: The drawback is I could accumulate 30 points in my gym only to have Donnie N00b beat me and own the gym, thereby making me lose out because I didnt spend said points, and Donnie N00b gets 30 points to use as he wishes. I think keep the Gym accounts the same as the members account.

[Silencer]

Plans are being finalised as we speak and we are going to try and please the intense variety of opinion here without the system being a mess. The changes will be final, as this thread's purpose is to give your input, so when the final plans are up don't whine.

Basicly I think this means we'll have to wait and see how Chris and Razor work it out from this point on.

[Ultimate Charizard]

I think thats what he meant.
Those 30 points you mention were the Gyms Account. You could have only spent them Capturing or Evolving pokemon for the Gym anyway. (If of course you use the 'Gym has its own team' route)
However if we do get that situation why not give 50% of the Gyms balance to the departing Gym Leader as a thankyou?

[RaZoR LeAf]

OK, I've been writing up a new 'Gym Leader Tower', but it wont be published until we're sure we're going ahead with it, and we have all 6 Gym Leaders ready. here's some of the changes made:

A Gym Battle can be no less than a 3 vs 3, but if it is a tag match (2 out at once) it must be no less than a 4 vs 4. The Maximum amount would be 8 vs 8.

Basically to make sure battles have some body to them, and aren't over in a few days, but also aren't running for months on end.

If you win a Gym Battle you will receive the Gym Leader's badge, a representation of your success. This will be recorded in this very tower as a permanent record. Winning a battle will earn you the regular prize of points, but also a free catch or evolution. This freebie is redeemable for only one week after your battle has ended, so you can't save them up.

Self explanitary really

This isn't that difficult, you basically pick your Gym Pokemon out of your usual team ready for battle. They can be any pokemon on your team. The most important point here is that they are not taking part in any other battle. Be it regular, tournament or a contest, those pokemon must be free from all constraints. The same does not apply to the challenger.

This is important, the fact that the pokemon used in battle must not be used anywhere else.

As a Gym Leader it is your job to defend your Gym Badge. Should you do so successfully for two battles, you will earn a free catch or evolution. Gym Leaders cannot challenge each other.

This is the only 'prize' a Gym Leader will get for being in that position, and it's every TWO battles, to make sure they aren't getting too many.

If a Gym Leader is defeated in a title match, they can choose to give up their title without a come back match.

Giving the Gym Leaders a chance to retire

-Bias and Cheating-

Gym Leaders found to be going easy on their competitors for whatever reason will be punished, most likely in a pint deduction from their account. The amount depends on the severity of the bias.

The same goes for refs, who play favour towards either the Gym leader or the battler. Refs will likely get a higher tax on their points if they are found to be doing this.

To make sure things are run properly.

[Everoy]

That sounds great. Er, looks.