Michelle Bachman: I want honest opinions

[Dark Sage]

But Roy, the thing is, none of the current Republican candidates is a "generic Republican". They're all a bunch of fools.

You really think the people are going to elect another candidate from Texas? This guy seems no better than the Bushes.

You may think that people have high opinions of the GOP, but since January, the blame against Mr. Obama on the news message boards has quickly been replaced by blame against the GOP. I've seen it myself. The insults against him have all but stopped, and the Tea Party fan clubs seem to have disbanded. People don't jump to blame Obama whenever there's a crisis anymore. They blame the GOP.

If you don't believe me, click on any news story about the debt crisis, and read the comments.

[Roy Karrde]

But Roy, the thing is, none of the current Republican candidates is a "generic Republican". They're all a bunch of fools.

You really think the people are going to elect another candidate from Texas? This guy seems no better than the Bushes.

This "Guy from Texas" has helped lead a economy that is the strongest in the nation and has pulled in a wealth of jobs and businesses. Like it or not, in a down economy that is what matters most. I mean look at the facts, 6 out of the top 20 recession proof cities, are in Texas alone. That alone shows the economy that Rick Perry has helped build here.

Edit: Some additional facts: More than half of U.S. net new jobs created from August 2009–2010 were in Texas, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In November 2010, Texas had the lowest unemployment rate (8.2 percent) among the 10 largest states. And over the past year, Texas led the nation in energy, manufacturing, aerospace, professional and business services, and financial sector job growth.

You may think that people have high opinions of the GOP, but since January, the blame against Mr. Obama on the news message boards has quickly been replaced by blame against the GOP. I've seen it myself. The insults against him have all but stopped, and the Tea Party fan clubs seem to have disbanded. People don't jump to blame Obama whenever there's a crisis anymore. They blame the GOP.

Yet polls do not lie, right now Obama pulls in between a 44 and 42% approval rating, his approval of the economy is in the 30s. This isn't "News message boards" these are actual Gallup polling. If the economy continues along as it is, the bottom is going to drop out on him.

If you don't believe me, click on any news story about the debt crisis, and read the comments.

Yeah see I would rather look at polls, than focus on very partisan commenters who hang around in newsgroups.

[Dark Sage]

Yet polls do not lie, right now Obama pulls in between a 44 and 42% approval rating, his approval of the economy is in the 30s. This isn't "News message boards" these are actual Gallup polling. If the economy continues along as it is, the bottom is going to drop out on him.

Are you kidding me? I started this thread because of a poll, remember? A poll where Michelle Bachmann seemed to have about 80% approval.

And by the way, in 2007, I saw lots of polls that predicted victory for McCain, including one completely ridiculous one that predicted that he would win every single state, something that has been done by only one President - George Washington.

Statistics don't lie, Roy, but liars do use statistics.

[Blademaster]

I'm glad I have your vote, blademaster. Today's politicians need a massive ass beating. Seriously. All they do is bitch and won't hear each other out. As a gay man who wants to marry someday, these bastards just keep trying to take away my right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and for what reward?? What is their big loss if I get married?? So yes, I'm personally vested in kicking GOP ass whenever I can, although not all Republicans are like that, and some Democrats are. Basically, what I do in my home is my private business. I can't comprehend why some people want to interfere with that. All people are doing today is getting divorced anyway. There's a minority population that wants marriage and these assholes are too busy telling us no. Meanwhile they are turning around and cheating on their wives and screwing gay prostitutes in bathrooms thinking nobody will ever find out. We wouldn't care if it wasn't for the hypocrisy. We're in the middle of an economic crisis. Why the fuck is all our money going to other countries? Why aren't we trying to stop illegal immigration? These illegal douchenuts are mooching all my tax dollar resources and I can't get services as a result. I'm still working in fucking retail and I'm 25 and have a very strong degree and other excellent credentials. I don't care what party says what, what we need to do is to bring our military home and give them jobs here, stop giving all our money away to foreign countries to maintain good relations because you know what? We're falling apart as a society. We're losing the battle to stay afloat and yet we are giving all our money away. I'm sorry your shitty third world country has natural disasters. Maybe you should try working instead of depending on me to finance you. I want my tax dollars to benefit me and my neighbors, the ones who either are citizens by birthright or had to work their balls off to become citizens like my family did. We should drug test people on welfare because if you can afford drugs, you can afford food. The reason I never went on food stamps despite qualifying is because I can still afford to buy beers if I want them, and if I have that extra $8 and have to choose between beers and two solid meals, I'm taking the meals. Ugh I'm so frustrated and I'm ready to leave.

(Spoiler:) I know, I'm not contributing much. I'm just not in the mood for a political debate since it doesn't seem like ANYBODY knows how to be a politician. Our country has a bunch of big problems with really simple solutions, but nobody uses them.

[woz]

On what? Increasing taxes? Right now we have a stagnant economy, one that is not producing growth, and sure as hell is not producing jobs. Increasing taxes right now takes money out of the economy, in turn that takes money out of investments, and out of jobs.

hahaha are you for real?

and as for the comments that illegals are sucking up all your "tax dollars" do some research on the subject.

[Roy Karrde]

And by the way, in 2007, I saw lots of polls that predicted victory for McCain, including one completely ridiculous one that predicted that he would win every single state, something that has been done by only one President - George Washington.

Statistics don't lie, Roy, but liars do use statistics.

Using polls from the 2008 election and comparing them to now is a problem, for one no one knew the economy was going to take a tail spin in late 2008, that alone helped Obama's political fortunes. Second, in that election there was no incumbent running for the Presidency. Right now Obama is the incumbent, and unless the economy suddenly brightens up big time, he is going to have a very hard, hard time running for re election in a down economy. Especially when his handling of the economy is in the 30s.

hahaha are you for real?

Yes are you?

and as for the comments that illegals are sucking up all your "tax dollars" do some research on the subject.

I live in Dallas county, where one of the largest city/state financed hospitals in Texas has a wait time of around 18 hours, and services the pregnancies of tens of thousands of illegals each year. All for free. I know a little bit about what is helping suck up our tax dollars.

[Dark Sage]

You live in Texas, Roy?

Well, I'm done here. Trying to convince a Texan that a Democrat stands a chance is like trying to hit the moon with a water pistol.

[Roy Karrde]

You live in Texas, Roy?

Well, I'm done here. Trying to convince a Texan that a Democrat stands a chance is like trying to hit the moon with a water pistol.

Yes I live in Texas but I also study politics, which is why I have been able to lay out fact upon fact against you. Things can change, they can and Obama can pull off a victory, it is very hard to get a sitting President out of office unless the economy really really stinks, and the opponent is very very good. But you put a good candidate against Obama, and use Bill Clinton's old line of "It's the economy stupid". And suddenly things are not looking good for a second Obama term.

But you know what, I started off asking why your father thought the victory was a Pyrrhic victory. It was curious in light of the facts. So far you still have not provided a actual answer to that question.

[Dark Sage]

He's the one who posted it on his facebook page. And like I said, he has the MA in Political Science. He's the one who taught it as the Chairman of Social Sciences of Shepaug High School for most of his life. I'm willing to bet any amount of money that he studies politics far more than you do.

Edit: By the way, He has also accurately predicted the winners of every Presidential election since I was ten years old, even the ones where candidates he didn't like or vote for were elected.

[Roy Karrde]

He's the one who posted it on his facebook page. And like I said, he has the MA in Political Science. He's the one who taught it as the Chairman of Social Sciences of Shepaug High School for most of his life. I'm willing to bet any amount of money that he studies politics far more than you do.

He probably does, but I am just curious of his reasons, to see if he actually has a point, or it is just partisan fluff.

[Dark Sage]

He said that the GOP is stubbornly sticking to their goals, even though it will cause them to lose in the end.

Then he said, on the debt crisis:

I think something will be resolved before the deadline, but I am very concerned about the health of our government, its politics and of our culture. I don't think politicians have the right to demand that their ideologies be honored at the ...expense of the welfare of the country as a whole. People need to sit up and pay attention to what is going on. This nonsense is getting close to hurting the people who can least afford it. Just listen to what is being said to justify radical positions.

In other words, he thinks that the GOP doesn't care who they hurt, so long as they get their way. And I agree with them.

[Roy Karrde]

He said that the GOP is stubbornly sticking to their goals, even though it will cause them to lose in the end.

Possibly, probably not, unless something massive happens with the debt ceiling and causes us to default, the political battles right now will be a long lost memory by election day next year. Then again the same could be said for Obama, and he, not the GOP will be up for election on election day.

In other words, he thinks that the GOP doesn't care who they hurt, so long as they get their way. And I agree with them.

So far I do not see anything specifically targeting the GOP in there, but both parties. Remember it takes two to tango, and Obama has been known to be absolutely hard headed to a fault. And has shown it on this debt ceiling debate.

[woz]

tell us how raising taxes on the rich would take money out of the economy, Roy. i'm interested to know if you know how economics and capitalism work or you're just full of right-wing garbage.

[Roy Karrde]

tell us how raising taxes on the rich would take money out of the economy, Roy. i'm interested to know if you know how economics and capitalism work or you're just full of right-wing garbage.

I believe I explained it in my last post, you want the rich to spend, you want them to invest, you want them to grow the economy, you want them to create jobs. Sending more money in through taxes, takes that investment money, and goes straight to the Government... for what? Another failed stimulus? To pay off our debt? To pay for more Government programs to study radioactive rabbit turds?

[Magmar]

Okay Magmar, seriously your heart is eating your brain here, you are passionate about a topic, that is great. But words have meaning, and passion can easily turn into hyperbole. The "overwhelming majority" of Americans do not support Gay Marriage, according to Gallup the number is at 53% which is within the margin of error of not even being a majority, but a plurality. If you want to be a politician you need to shy away from inflammatory hyperbolic statements, or else you will have a very short career ala the former Congressman Alan Grayson.

Fortunately for you, then, I have no intentions on becoming a politician in the near future! My political career has spanned student parliament, lol, in which I did win awards for being the most active member and was notorious for being the loud mouth who would come up with the solution that went against option A and option B, and usually winning. I guess in terms of being a politician, what I would have going for me is that a., I'm honest all of the time, which helps me not fumble with words and b., I have mad public speaking skills, yo. You know if 53 percent of Americans support equal rights for gay Americans, shouldn't that be a wakeup call for these politicians? Like hey, listen, represent all the people, not just yourself. That's where I always try to stand.

@Gavin: Yes, I am Sicilian and Irish, but mostly raised exclusively by my Sicilian side so don't really have many Irish qualities. I have heard 'wog' used before, but here they say 'wop' more often. I like to combine it and say I'm a McWhopper

[Roy Karrde]

Fortunately for you, then, I have no intentions on becoming a politician in the near future! My political career has spanned student parliament, lol, in which I did win awards for being the most active member and was notorious for being the loud mouth who would come up with the solution that went against option A and option B, and usually winning. I guess in terms of being a politician, what I would have going for me is that a., I'm honest all of the time, which helps me not fumble with words and b., I have mad public speaking skills, yo. You know if 53 percent of Americans support equal rights for gay Americans, shouldn't that be a wakeup call for these politicians? Like hey, listen, represent all the people, not just yourself. That's where I always try to stand.

It should be, but mind you that is across America, that percentage will vary from state to state where politicians usually are elected. And even district by district. Which really goes to the idea of either having a final marriage law passed by the Government, or allow each state to make and change their marriage laws based on what the public demands.

[woz]

I believe I explained it in my last post, you want the rich to spend, you want them to invest, you want them to grow the economy, you want them to create jobs. Sending more money in through taxes, takes that investment money, and goes straight to the Government... for what? Another failed stimulus? To pay off our debt? To pay for more Government programs to study radioactive rabbit turds?

lmao so you're chatting shite and don't know what youre talking about. got it. stop talking absolute rubbish and spouting your right wing bullshit about topics you have no idea about. TAX DOLLARS SPENT ON RADIOACTIVE RABBIT TURD RESEARCH!! get a fucking grip you utter clown.

[Roy Karrde]

lmao so you're chatting shite and don't know what youre talking about. got it. stop talking absolute rubbish and spouting your right wing bullshit about topics you have no idea about. TAX DOLLARS SPENT ON RADIOACTIVE RABBIT TURD RESEARCH!! get a fucking grip you utter clown.

“A Week Mapping Radioactive Rabbit Feces With Detectors Mounted On A Helicopter Flying 50 Feet Over The Desert Scrub. … $300,000 In Federal Stimulus Money.” “A government contractor at Hanford, in south-central Washington State, just spent a week mapping radioactive rabbit feces with detectors mounted on a helicopter flying 50 feet over the desert scrub. … the helicopter flights, which covered 13.7 square miles and were paid for with $300,000 in federal stimulus money, took place in an area that had never been used by the bomb makers. … Marylia Kelley, the executive director of a California group called Tri-Valley Communities Against a Radioactive Environment, said the rabbit cleanup was ‘kind of funny, in a sick way.’”

Umm... you were saying?

[woz]

your words: study radioactive rabbit turds
article: part of a nuclear cleanup

also, carry on with the article quote:

"The area had, however, been used by rabbits that had also burrowed into other areas that were contaminated. Many of the contaminants were in the form of salts, which attract wildlife. The rabbits carried strontium and cesium, which emit gamma rays, back out of the area in their digestive tracts.

The flights were far less expensive than other strategies, said Dee Millikin, a spokeswoman for the contractor, a subsidiary of the engineering and environmental consulting company CH2M Hill.

Walking through the area with radiation detectors would have taken eight months longer and cost $1 million, she said."

you silly twat.

[ChobiChibi]

woz, man, don't let him get to you. That way he wins.

[woz]

i just skim his posts and roll my eyes tbh, it's funny to see him try and justify his retarded opinions with what he calls "facts".

then complains about 300,000 dollars spent when the article states it's cost tens of billions and expects to continue for decades.

its a good laugh

[Roy Karrde]

i just skim his posts and roll my eyes tbh, it's funny to see him try and justify his retarded opinions with what he calls "facts".

Feel free to debunk anything I say.

your words: study radioactive rabbit turds
article: part of a nuclear cleanup

also, carry on with the article quote:

"The area had, however, been used by rabbits that had also burrowed into other areas that were contaminated. Many of the contaminants were in the form of salts, which attract wildlife. The rabbits carried strontium and cesium, which emit gamma rays, back out of the area in their digestive tracts.

The flights were far less expensive than other strategies, said Dee Millikin, a spokeswoman for the contractor, a subsidiary of the engineering and environmental consulting company CH2M Hill.

Walking through the area with radiation detectors would have taken eight months longer and cost $1 million, she said."

you silly twat.

then complains about 300,000 dollars spent when the article states it's cost tens of billions and expects to continue for decades.

its a good laugh

Maybe you missed the "Stimulus" part, the "Stimulus" was to grow "Jobs" not provide a low flying aircraft to study or clean up radioactive rabbit turds.

[woz]

it did create a job. for consulting company CH2M Hill. that's the "free market". this is piss poor even for you, roy.

[Roy Karrde]

it did create a job. for consulting company CH2M Hill. that's the "free market". this is piss poor even for you, roy.

So we spent 300,000 dollars on a single job, congrats that shows why the Stimulus was such a failure.

By the way if it were the free market it would be created with out Government funds. I think you need a better grasp on what the free market is.

[woz]

- stimulus creates job
- job is bid for by private companies
- done by a private company contracted by the government
- done far more efficiently, cheaper and quicker than if done by hand
- roy complains that stimulus failed

i think you need a better grasp on everything.

[Roy Karrde]

- stimulus creates job
- job is bid for by private companies
- done by a private company contracted by the government
- done far more efficiently, cheaper and quicker than if done by hand
- roy complains that stimulus failed

i think you need a better grasp on everything.

Unless of course it was given as a no bid contract, which is what happens when you appropriate money via congressional districts. But then again your list is not a example of free market economics as you tried to say the job was. A Free Market job would be one made by demand by not the Government, but private enterprise and by private citizens, it would be funded by private, not public money.

But if you do not believe the Stimulus failed...

In sum, this empirical examination of the direct effects of the three countercyclical stimulus packages of the 2000s indicates that they did not have a positive effect on consumption and government purchases, and thus did not counter the decline in investment during the recessions as the basic Keynesian textbook model would suggest. Individuals and families largely saved the transfers and tax rebates. The federal government increased purchases, but by only an immaterial amount. State and local governments used the stimulus grants to reduce their net borrowing (largely by acquiring more financial assets) rather than to increase expenditures, and they shifted expenditures away from purchases toward transfers.

Some argue that the economy would have been worse off without these stimulus packages, but the results do not support that view. According to the empirical estimates of the impact of ARRA, if there had been no temporary stimulus payments to individuals or families, their total consumption would have been about the same. And if there had been no ARRA grants to states and localities, their total expenditures would have been about the same. The counterfactual simulations show that the ARRA-induced decline in state and local government purchases was larger than the increase in federal government purchases due to ARRA. In terms of the simple example of Model A versus Model B presented above, these results are evidence against the views represented by Model A, and thus against using such models to show that things would have been worse.

Others argue that the stimulus was too small, but the results do not lend support to that view either. Using the estimated equations, a counterfactual simulation of a larger stimulus package—with the proportions going to state and local grants, federal purchases, and transfers to individual the same as in ARRA—would show little change in government purchases or consumption, as the temporary funds would be largely saved.

http://johnbtaylorsblog.blogspot.com...-not-have.html

Or as James Pethokoukis at Reuters sums it up.

Indeed, the results are horrifying. The two-year-old recovery’s terrible tale of the tape: A 9.1 percent unemployment rate that’s probably closer to 16 percent counting the discouraged and underemployed, the worst income growth and weakest GDP growth of any upturn since World War II, a still-weakening housing market. Oh, and a trillion bucks down the tube. Oh, and two-and-a-half years … and counting … wasted during which time the skills of unemployed workers continue to erode and the careers of younger Americans suffer long-term income damage. Losing the future.

Next, add in healthcare reform that Medicare’s chief actuary says will not slow the overall growth of healthcare spending. (Even its Obama administration godfather, Peter Orszag, warns that “more drastic measures may ultimately be needed.”) And toss in a financial reform plan that the outspoken and independent president of the Kansas City Fed says he “can’t imagine” working. “I don’t have faith in it all.” Indeed, markets continue to treat the biggest banks as if they are still too big to fail.

But wait there’s more. Obama created a debt commission that produced a reasonable though imperfect plan to deal with America’s long-term fiscal woes. But he stiffed it and then failed to supply a plan of his own, sowing the seeds for an impending debt ceiling crisis and making an eventual fiscal fix that much harder. One more step along the path not taken, along with pro-growth tax and regulatory policies that would have reduced policy and economic uncertainty and unleashed the private sector to invest, expand and create.

http://blogs.reuters.com/james-petho...made-it-worse/

Then again anyone with a brain knows that the Stimulus failed, we remain at 9.2% Unemployment, Underemployment around 16%, and stagnant growth. The states took the money and used it to fill in gaps that lasted about a year and then they let people go. The money that went to programs went to pet projects like the Rabbit Turd one, and not to ones that were targeted to help the economy and help growth.

[woz]

conveniently ignores the massive Bush tax cuts that lead to a loss of 8 million jobs but sure

nuclear cleanup isn't a "pet project" either but keep plugging away at it.

[Roy Karrde]

conveniently ignores the massive Bush tax cuts that lead to a loss of 8 million jobs but sure

The Bush Tax Cuts lead to the loss of 8 million jobs? Humor me by explaining how.

nuclear cleanup isn't a "pet project" either but keep plugging away at it.

It isn't a project that stimulates the economy or job creation either.

[woz]

from the big charade of it "increasing investment" and "creating 5 million jobs" which led to absolutely none of it, a whole bunch of sectors, mainly the manufacturing industry jobs being gone altogether. the jobs he created were low paying, service and retail, etc and the jobs that people had before didn't exist anymore.

so nuclear cleanup should just be left on the back burner?

[Magmar]

I love reading this political debate! Really. Keep opening my eyes to different opinions coming from people I respect as intelligent. I'm sick of comments boxes on news articles.

Now, I'm not totally against everything to do with Republicans, but I have to admit, I'm glad Fox News is going down the shitter. It just takes one glance at politifact to understand why. What I love most about that site? It has a whole section devoted to the fucked up politics of Rhode Island! Read up on it if you want to know what kind of wacky things happen in my little home state. It's surely good for a chuckle. Fortunately I vote in the Smithfield district which is rarely if ever newsworthy for being retarded in the least.

[Roy Karrde]

from the big charade of it "increasing investment" and "creating 5 million jobs" which led to absolutely none of it, a whole bunch of sectors, mainly the manufacturing industry jobs being gone altogether. the jobs he created were low paying, service and retail, etc and the jobs that people had before didn't exist anymore.

The manufacturing industry has been failing and will continue to fail until we put in very big incentives to drive companies away from cheap labor in China and Mexico. By the way the Bush Tax Cuts did in turn help the economy come out from the recession brought on by the .Com Bubble and 9/11. Still waiting for that loss of 8 million jobs being the tax cut's fault.

so nuclear cleanup should just be left on the back burner?

When it is radioactive rabbit turds, it can wait until we have more important things fixed, like the economy and unemployment.

I'm not totally against everything to do with Republicans, but I have to admit, I'm glad Fox News is going down the shitter.

So having the best nightly ratings of the three news networks constitutes going down the shitter? Damn I would hate to see where you think MSNBC or CNN is right now.

[woz]

lol wow you really are serious. you're living in cuckoo land if you think "tax cuts" will drive companies away from cheap labour. he lost around 8 million jobs in all sectors, especially manufacturing and the jobs he "created" as i've said were basic non-jobs. bush tax cuts were a massive failure, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. companies posted record profits and paid little to no tax, wages and benefits for workers stagnated. but yeah great success.

maybe you didn't read the article, but it's been going on for a long time and is projected to go on for even longer, so it's part of an ongoing process that would have to be done eventually.

[Roy Karrde]

lol wow you really are serious. you're living in cuckoo land if you think "tax cuts" will drive companies away from cheap labour.

Actually I think various incentives including low business taxes could be used to bring business here.

l he lost around 8 million jobs in all sectors, especially manufacturing and the jobs he "created" as i've said were basic non-jobs.

Which wasn't the fault of the tax cuts.

lbush tax cuts were a massive failure, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. companies posted record profits and paid little to no tax, wages and benefits for workers stagnated. but yeah great success.

Massive failure? GDP grew at an annual rate of just 1.7 percent in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the six quarters following the tax cuts, the growth rate was 4.1 percent.

Non-residential fixed investment declined for 13 consecutive quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. Since then, it has expanded for 13 consecutive quarters.
The S&P 500 dropped 18 percent in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts but increased by 32 percent over the next six quarters. Dividend payouts increased as well.

The economy lost 267,000 jobs in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the next six quarters, it added 307,000 jobs, followed by 5 million jobs in the next seven quarters.

Doesn't sound like a failure to me. By the way the poor and rich have both gotten richer, and the tax cuts benefited all income classes.

lmaybe you didn't read the article, but it's been going on for a long time and is projected to go on for even longer, so it's part of an ongoing process that would have to be done eventually.

And as such it should have been voted on as a separate bill, not from Stimulus funds meant to help our economy and provide job growth.

[woz]

pasting shit from the heritage foundation? seriously? hahaha holy shit. that crap has been debunked, google it up.

[Roy Karrde]

pasting shit from the heritage foundation? seriously? hahaha holy shit. that crap has been debunked, google it up.

Going to debunk any of the economic numbers?

[woz]

firstly a net creation of 40000 jobs in 6 quarters is terrible. i notice it doesnt mention what happens next.

secondly the s&p 500 angle is garbage because of the dot com crash. completely useless statistic. extra dividends paid to rich people? wow a real crowning achievement.

pnfi? lol. a junk statistic. it expanded every quarter from 1992 to 2001. that biased pile of trash article is from 2007. lets not forget this great heritage foundation predicted bush's tax cuts would wipe out the deficit by 2011. it's terrible. fact is he created 3 million jobs the entire time he was in office. a garbage record.

[Roy Karrde]

firstly a net creation of 40000 jobs in 6 quarters is terrible. i notice it doesnt mention what happens next.

You missed the next line of the economy creating 5 million in the next 7. We went from negative job creation to positive, to the economy quickly jumping back to life.

secondly the s&p 500 angle is garbage because of the dot com crash. completely useless statistic. extra dividends paid to rich people? wow a real crowning achievement.

The .com crash happened before the tax cuts. And you realize more than rich people put money into the stock market right? Now days it goes to almost everyone who invest with their 401ks and other forms of retirement.

pnfi? lol. a junk statistic. it expanded every quarter from 1992 to 2001. that biased pile of trash article is from 2007. lets not forget this great heritage foundation predicted bush's tax cuts would wipe out the deficit by 2011. it's terrible. fact is he created 3 million jobs the entire time he was in office. a garbage record.

I assume you are subtracting the jobs from the Democrat created economic collapse to come to the 3 million job figure. Because other than that the 5 million in 7 quarters pretty much wipes out that claim.

[woz]

"Democrat created economic collapse" you're a nutjob.

http://www.bls.gov/schedule/archives/empsit_nr.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_cr...idential_terms
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/...ord-on-record/

the Heritage Foundation are a joke.

they put out shit like this:


without a hint of irony.

never mind the 45 year linear forecast graph, that somehow taxes have a direct linear relationship with gdp, that the graph starts in 1975 and multitude of other comical things you still think they're a credible source with their "calculations" debunked time and time again. they're not credible and they never have been, come back with some proper stuff.

next you'll spout on about the laffer curve, reaganomics or other such bullshit. it's hilarious that you've bought into the right-wing propaganda though.

[Roy Karrde]

"Democrat created economic collapse" you're a nutjob.

Snipping out the crap because well that is what it is, crap.

Yes the Democrats created the economic collapse, from the push in the Clinton era to push Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make banks make more low income loans, to the Bush Administration several warnings that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's program was going to kill our economy, to the Democrats saying there were no problem with these programs. And then finally the ultimate insult, the Democratic Party in the Senate, including Senator Barack Obama threatening a filibuster if the Republicans tried to pass legislation to stop these toxic loans. You want to point fingers as to why job creation went into the sewers in the last few months of Bush's presidency to lower that number. Start by pointing it at Barnie Frank and Harry Reid.

[woz]

come on, prove that the graph is truthful.