Ah, the brokenness of Spikes...

[Lady Kinogassa]

Originally posted by Imhere4u2die
This may seem like a stupid question, but what are pseudohazers? I have seen them referred to a lot.

Pseudohazers = hazing without using haze, or...the alternative to haze.

In other words, Roaring/Whirlwinding a Pokemon away to negate stat changes rather then using Haze.

[Gligar_Man]

and perish song... lol

[MetalScyther]

We already have enough clauses. Putting a clause on spikes not only is stupid just sounds stupid. It's a legal move, and you either need a rapid spinner, or your just going to have to deal with the consequences. I am trying to fit a RS'er on my team and am having problems, too, but we don't need to put a clause on everything that has potential to be a big time strategy.

[Green_Pikachu]

Originally posted by Powarun
Okay what about cheaters, huh. I might as well force a Mewtwo have spikes roar, psychic and some flamethrower. Now that would be a deadly spiker. Spikers are for the people who are afraid to lose.

this is perhaps the dumbest thing i've ever heard. congratulations. (y)

[MetalScyther]

And the person who posted that should never post in any topic again.

[Master Murphy]

how many times can spikes be layered? is it a maximum of 3?
How much damage will it do? would this be a good set then?

Skarmory @ Chesto
Drill peck/Whirlwind
Rest
Spikes
Toxic

[Vega]

my Skarm will have:

~Drill Peck
~Spikes
~Rest
~Roar
@chesto berry

and Spikes can be stacked up to 3 times max.

imho, this 'Spikes Clause' is a stupid/nubish idea. ppl shouldnt be restricted coz some individuals couldnt be bothered to put any thought into their teams and therefore their teams cant counter certain strategies. i think comparing Spikes to curselax is crazy and even curselax had a lotta counters.

tho i think its a stupid idea, i still want to know how you would propose it to be implemented. how is this 'Spikes Clause' goin to work??

is it goin to restrict the # of spikers on teams?? coz most ppl only have one spiker anyway.

is it goin to ban spikes altogether? coz that would be stupid.

umm.. is it goin to stop ppl from using spikes multiple turns like sleep clause??

and ummm... i think thats all the possible ways.

[PopCoRn]

Um...will this work as a 2v2 strat?...

Skarmory
======
@Lax Licence
-Drill Peck
-Swift
-Toxic
-Spikes

Caturtine
======
@Shell Bell
-Giga Drain
-Sandstorm
-Grass Whisle
-Spikes

[ralts_mudkip]

... Maybe. Grass Whisle ACC sucks IMO.

By the way, thank you G_M for ruining my life by saying how terrible cacturne is as a Spiker

[Slaking master]

Aren't all spikers weak 2 fire?Why would u let a person put down 3 sets of spikes?

Edit My bad ,qwilfish,cloyster,and omastar r not weak 2 fire

[probationsmack]

hmmm all this discussion of wheter not spikers suck and yet i havent heard any mention of roselia

or does she not get spikes?????

[tofu]

yea roselia gets spikes, but if the wind blows too hard she's dead so you might as well forget she can get it unless its for breeding purposes.

[MetalScyther]

With 3 layers of spikes stacked up, the incoming pokemon will take 25% health damage. However this becomes less then 20% after leftovers are factored in. Having this damage and an attack added onto it on an incoming pokemon can be devastating.

However, food for thought: Its pretty much determined now that each team needs spikes. Do they really need it now? Almost all spikers suck, except skarmory. The slot could be fitted with someone else. Skarm is a great addition to everyteam, however.

[Darkanine]

Skarm and Glalie are the best spikers, one is physical the other is special attack. Each has decent staying power. most of the others are ok but not great. You don't need spikes, but like me, I needed a Special attacker on my team, it just happened to learn spikes, so why not.

[Bug Catcher Daniel]

im gonna play sum strategy with my glalie and breloom

of course me glalie will have:
spikes
icebeam
toxic
protect

and after doing toxic and max spikes.. my breloom comes into play

spore
return
leech seed
focus punch

so by sleeping the foe most possibly he would switch pokemon... and spikes ....!!!!!!!! hehe

[Gligar_Man]

id give glalie rest if your gonna make it a spiker... and sorry to ruine your day BTW my archnemesis likes quina, quina pwnz, lol... i was master qu at ffixhq, i modded and adminned there for a while before it went to hell... anyways, spikers should be defensive IMHO i like skarmory the best out of obtainables... and i personally like spikes, rest, drill peck, hp-ground... @adamant, and it deends on life for leftovers recovery if there even using them, and if they have less than 25% etc. or you can hit them with pursuit there doomed... anywhos... im into 2v2 alot recently, and there are plenty of 2v2 spiking strategies... but i wont bore you all with them,

[Green_Pikachu]

question: if spikes is fully stacked, 3 times, and I rapid spin, do I take off one layer of spikes, or all 3?

[Vega]

it blows off all three

[probationsmack]

Originally posted by Gligar_Man
BTW my archnemesis likes quina, quina pwnz, lol... i was master qu at ffixhq

i called my quina Q-tip, like some kind of fat *** dj

and to bug catcher daniel

try headbutt over return, good chance for flinching. Flinching combined with leech seed is very useful and return never did much anyway.