Altering The One CC Rule And Return Of The Pokemon Avengers (Poll)

[The_Missing_Link]

Originally posted by Dark Dragonite
I've always thought that PA's biggest rival always was, and always will be Dragon tamers. I have my reasons, and I don't recall PA ever doing anything to push out a fellow CC, they died on their own.

Man, I'm replying like crazy O_o

I don't think DT was ever a rival of PA. It's more of a counterpart as Dragon Tamers deal with adopted Pokemon and we deal with Captured Pokemon. And you're right, we never did anything to push the other CC's out, they died on their own due to lack of customers although I do admit I was nervous that they would be more popular than us

[Interpol HQ]

Personaly I think we should give Pa a test run and see how everything works out. I mean what could it hurt, there probably will be conflict but not all of it might be bad. Going with what TML said, competition is usually good for the customer.

[Quicksilver62160]

Originally posted by The_Missing_Link
I believe I know QS better and know that he wouldn't screw around with an accomodating rule like that --;

She does know me pretty well. There are much bigger things that need to be worried about the CCPs vs APs. Though I would like to reinstate the previous APs, which again was a creation of my own to further CCdom, I see no reason why CCPs should disappear... just a name altering. Ironically enough, CC doubles nicely as Capture Center Points. I think we can both agree on the idea that if PA were to return Capture Center points would solve a plethera of problems opposed to Avenger Pts and Crystal Cave Pts. Heck, we could even cut out a lot of problems and call them Points, Stamps and Points... sounds good if you don't like Capture Center before it.

As DarkDragonite pointed out, Pokemon Avengers has never acted hostiliy towards any other official Capture Center. Granted in the beginning I had to crush some other place similar to us (ie: Safari Zone), that was a different time, when PCG was unruly, and it was crush or be crushed. I actually enforced ideas on bringing in a second Capture Center a year ago, I wanted to see another one, I actually helped to create the first, Galaxion PokeRebels... how was I to know it would be such a huge flop? Then there was Echo Seekers... well, I had no choice but to close them down, I gave them an ultamatum, get a certain amount of posts in a week or be closed. I always stick by my convictions and what I say so when it came to count time I was disappointed when they didn't pass the bar. As for Dragon Tamers and Pokemon Avenger relations, well, there was a time when I sought to beat them out too, LV can tell you about that, but again that was at the start of the PCG era of AC, pre-PA's official nature. Since then we've been extremely cooperative, did an entire scenario series together, and tried to work out a Tournament. It's been over a year and a half since PA has tried to crush another Center in PCG.

As for you Jay, you seem to talk big about how I'm planning on doing this, and trying to enforce that, changing this little thing, and trying in essence to destroy the Crystal Caves. Oddly enough though, it seems to be you who is being the antagonist. All of the friction that is visible to me that would prevent CC cooperation is coming directly from you. I mean, if PA does return I do have ideas on what should be changed, what needs to be discussed... but I've been doing CC's for two years, I created the genre, I think I know a little more on how to operate them. And I can't be 100% sure on something, more like 99.9% , I'm confident that it will be a fair decision, based upon not only views of Crystal Caves, but of others. And besides, it's not fair to have a 4 vs 2 decision.

You need to learn to cool off, I could just as easily say I don't see a reason why Crystal Caves should be in operation. Why they should have been posted. Does that make me right? No, that makes me look like an ignorant fool. You say that the people who support PA's return just think it'd be cool to have another CC... who supports it not returning? You, Matt, people loyal to you? Seems to be a war of opinion, not over what's cool. If I once allowed there to be a second Capture Center then who are you to say that it should not still stand.

You appear to be inadequate to ascertain my notion clear enough; there isn’t anything radically faithless or complicated with maintaining an additional capture center at PCG, it’s the complexes that will later arise with both of them. It will produce friction with every known possible reason to be to go wrong that you are clearly yet to see.

What is it with you and typing in big words? I fear that you are the one failing to ascertain the true facts behind it all. You're the one causing friction, the only other "problems" there would be is the fact that people might favor one Center over the other. You act like PA is going to declare war on CC, march across Poland and slap you around like France. The only thing that differs between AC's and CC's is the fact that you go through a storyline with CC's to get the pokemon, a much more complex system of adoption. Dragon Tamers and Poke Zoo don't appear to be at each others throats. They share currency like I would percieve we would (ie Capture Center Pts), they each have their own battle area (though I did convince DD to allow CC Pokes in the Battle Tower). The only difference is that DT has the only Rewards Shop. While PA would bring back the Temple of Knowledge, which doubles as a trivia center for pts.

So tell me Mr. Jay, what views do you have that I'm so incapable of ascertaining? Teach me something new about CC's, the genre I created. Tell me why PA and CC would not be able to work together... other then your stubborness. I have never attacked CC, nor made an accusations against the owners/employees. I defend my point with facts, details etc, yet you defend yours by attacking me and PA. I would appreciate it if you refrained from doing so further, use facts, not opinions.

Well, the floor is open for anyone else who wants to comment.

[pokemasterfrank]

I have found a very big flaw x_x. For those of you that didn't know, when PA was at BMG, the limit on Pokemon was 30. That's already twice the amount then here for Captured. 15+30 doesn't equal 15 x_x

[Quicksilver62160]

Originally posted by pokemasterfrank
I have found a very big flaw x_x. For those of you that didn't know, when PA was at BMG, the limit on Pokemon was 30. That's already twice the amount then here for Captured. 15+30 doesn't equal 15 x_x

That limit was also set because there were no AC's there. 15 ACs + 15 CCs = 30 BMG.

[Jay]

Originally posted by Quicksilver62160
She does know me pretty well. There are much bigger things that need to be worried about the CCPs vs APs. Though I would like to reinstate the previous APs, which again was a creation of my own to further CCdom, I see no reason why CCPs should disappear... just a name altering. Ironically enough, CC doubles nicely as Capture Center Points. I think we can both agree on the idea that if PA were to return Capture Center points would solve a plethera of problems opposed to Avenger Pts and Crystal Cave Pts. Heck, we could even cut out a lot of problems and call them Points, Stamps and Points... sounds good if you don't like Capture Center before it.

I didn't constitute the name for the new currency that was implemented for the Capture Center; Gabi did. If you want to talk about a name change for the currency then you should try talking to Gabi. Seemingly, I think you will/would have anyway. I don’t care about the name, I’m just saying that three currencies is going to be a problem, per se your comment on “The Temple Of Knowledge” below.

As DarkDragonite pointed out, Pokemon Avengers has never acted hostiliy towards any other official Capture Center. Granted in the beginning I had to crush some other place similar to us (ie: Safari Zone), that was a different time, when PCG was unruly, and it was crush or be crushed. I actually enforced ideas on bringing in a second Capture Center a year ago, I wanted to see another one, I actually helped to create the first, Galaxion PokeRebels... how was I to know it would be such a huge flop? Then there was Echo Seekers... well, I had no choice but to close them down, I gave them an ultamatum, get a certain amount of posts in a week or be closed. I always stick by my convictions and what I say so when it came to count time I was disappointed when they didn't pass the bar. As for Dragon Tamers and Pokemon Avenger relations, well, there was a time when I sought to beat them out too, LV can tell you about that, but again that was at the start of the PCG era of AC, pre-PA's official nature. Since then we've been extremely cooperative, did an entire scenario series together, and tried to work out a Tournament. It's been over a year and a half since PA has tried to crush another Center in PCG.

Evidently, you had a hearing on intensifying both capture centers on creation. It was and is plainly clear you wouldn’t try to destroy them; but you did in the end for inactivity reasons. Galaxion PokéRebels was horrid. One visit there and the staff just didn’t bother to update for a month, and then they got shut down before I could verily seize a pokémon there. Well deserved at that… and I never was absorbed to post at Echo Seekers due to inactivity. Here’s the absurd element of your post: both times you say they were shut down due to some type of hiatus. What do you think is going to occur this time? One Capture Center is going to idle out and be shut down, exactly like in antiquity. PCG hasn’t been like it was, so if you have outlooks of both Capture Centers being mortal in the end, well good luck to you mindfully.

As for you Jay, you seem to talk big about how I'm planning on doing this, and trying to enforce that, changing this little thing, and trying in essence to destroy the Crystal Caves. Oddly enough though, it seems to be you who is being the antagonist. All of the friction that is visible to me that would prevent CC cooperation is coming directly from you. I mean, if PA does return I do have ideas on what should be changed, what needs to be discussed... but I've been doing CC's for two years, I created the genre, I think I know a little more on how to operate them. And I can't be 100% sure on something, more like 99.9% , I'm confident that it will be a fair decision, based upon not only views of Crystal Caves, but of others. And besides, it's not fair to have a 4 vs 2 decision.

To make it conspicuous, the only thing I’m antagonizing is this notion, and I have my individual perspectives on why there shouldn’t be an additional Capture Center, and you have yours that another Capture Center is very necessary here, which, in my theorem, isn’t. I don’t think I’m bound to make it obvious than that.

I’m also equitably flustered at your last assertion, “And besides, it's not fair to have a 4 vs 2 decision.” Are you verbalizing about the moderators or the workers at Crystal Caves? I would appreciate some clear doctrines and not vague ones.

You need to learn to cool off, I could just as easily say I don't see a reason why Crystal Caves should be in operation. Why they should have been posted. Does that make me right? No, that makes me look like an ignorant fool. You say that the people who support PA's return just think it'd be cool to have another CC... who supports it not returning? You, Matt, people loyal to you? Seems to be a war of opinion, not over what's cool. If I once allowed there to be a second Capture Center then who are you to say that it should not still stand.

I wouldn’t say anyone would be a dunce to state why the Crystal Caves Capture Center should be in operation. Unless you tried to assault my views and me by saying I’m an ignorant fool for arguing with you, then I could refute about your lame alibi for a personal attack.

Are you trying to convince me that your center is apathetic? Right now, I am yet to see a faultless and indisputable point you’ve made, and I see no game plan. The only outstanding thing you've got so far is the plot, which is nice, but that doesn't make a game without its tune-ups. If you can’t seem to handle the faults I’m pointing out right now, then what’s going to happen if this is approved and a participant of Avengers remonstrates? We need blue prints, all I see is talk.

There appears to be a big activity feud since you were last here, and clearly one capture center is currently performable.

What is it with you and typing in big words? I fear that you are the one failing to ascertain the true facts behind it all. You're the one causing friction, the only other "problems" there would be is the fact that people might favor one Center over the other. You act like PA is going to declare war on CC, march across Poland and slap you around like France. The only thing that differs between AC's and CC's is the fact that you go through a storyline with CC's to get the pokemon, a much more complex system of adoption. Dragon Tamers and Poke Zoo don't appear to be at each others throats. They share currency like I would percieve we would (ie Capture Center Pts), they each have their own battle area (though I did convince DD to allow CC Pokes in the Battle Tower). The only difference is that DT has the only Rewards Shop. While PA would bring back the Temple of Knowledge, which doubles as a trivia center for pts.

I'm supposed to produce a fact when I am yet to see what this new and supposedly improved Avengers has to offer. Good one. I very much doubt any of us is able to produce a solid fact... No, make that “one you approve because you can’t handle negative points.”

Just so you know, the Temple of Knowledge would not be sanctioned for a number of logic’s. The two obvious ones are: 1) There’s enough ways to make CCP’s already, and the PCG economy will run dry with so much money to give out. 2) There’s a little something called the Crystal Caves Kiosk/Buena’s Radio Show, which is basically the same thing except it’s pokémon related. It clearly is not up to the standard. As I know, the Temple of Knowledge was a place to win CCP’s and buy items for your captees, and these two places offer just that. Sorry, but no, your chances at getting that approved are thinner than a piece of paper.

I have found a very big flaw x_x. For those of you that didn't know, when PA was at BMG, the limit on Pokemon was 30. That's already twice the amount then here for Captured. 15+30 doesn't equal 15 x_x

Don’t expect seeing that present here any time soon.

By the way, this has turned into a much-needed debate than a poll. Your idea is basically "another game needing an approval tag with many faults that needs fixing." I had the feeling you came here expecting good remarks from everyone, and I'm surprised no one had thought of a single flaw until I started to debate, not even you. If people wish to reject the idea for a new capture center, then don't use a comeback stating that "they're loyal to me, so they'll think the same as I do", since that's just selfish, and not to mention quite rude.

[Aipom Of Doom]

Originally posted by pokemasterfrank
I have found a very big flaw x_x. For those of you that didn't know, when PA was at BMG, the limit on Pokemon was 30. That's already twice the amount then here for Captured. 15+30 doesn't equal 15 x_x

Were we even planning to bring back Pokemon from BMG? I don't see when that came up, and I'm not sure if it would work unless PA at BMG had the exact same rules as here... Anyway, even if we brought back BMG Pokemon, people obviously couldn't have more than a total of 15 Captees.

[Lady Vulpix]

I haven't read absolutely everything, but I've skimmed the last 15 posts and I have some things to say.

1. CCPs stand for Capture Canter points. They were created before Crystal Caves came up.
2. No bringing pokemon from other boards. That's out of the question and I thought it was clear.
3. The pokemon limit isn't changing. 15 is fine, and it's already hard enough to train them. 30 would result in people getting more pokemon than they can handle and then neglecting them or abandoning them.
4. I never wanted DT and PA to be rivals; I've always believed in cooperation and co-existing in harmony. QS, however, thought differently for a year or so, and tried hard to bring DT down, but he couldn't. Then he finally decided to start cooperating. This is just a bit of information for those who were asking.
5. This isn't a matter of loyalties. Each of us has their own views and poinions. Most people here don't base their lives on finding leaders to look up to and follow blindly. Sadly for people who would like to fill that role (Eg. QS), better for everyone else. I really don't know if QS is actually capable of sharing and cooperating. He's too ambitious and egocentric, and would probably consider CC competition and try to bring it down. I wouldn't like that to happen. Other than that, if the two Capture Centers could work together and complement each other without frictions, and if they're not two versions on the same thing, I think it could work.

[Interpol HQ]

Originaly posted by Lady Vulpix
I really don't know if QS is actually capable of sharing and cooperating. He's too ambitious and egocentric, and would probably consider CC competition and try to bring it down.

What if there were two (or more) heads of PA? So if QS causes things to get out of hand the other
person(s) could step in and help straighten everything out.

[Quicksilver62160]

Originally posted by The_Legendary_Himo
What if there were two (or more) heads of PA? So if QS causes things to get out of hand the other
person(s) could step in and help straighten everything out.

No, that won't be happening. I'll cooperate and everything, but no one else is taking a controlling part of the Avengers.

[Interpol HQ]

Originally posted by Quicksilver62160
No, that won't be happening. I'll cooperate and everything, but no one else is taking a controlling part of the Avengers.

If there is no one else with a controlling part, there is no real guarantee that you will cooperate. If you can prove that you can get along and cooperate then by all means do so.

[Dark Dragonite]

Originally posted by The_Legendary_Himo
If there is no one else with a controlling part, there is no real guarantee that you will cooperate. If you can prove that you can get along and cooperate then by all means do so.

Umm, don't you think if QS tries anything, the Mods would shut him down??

[Aipom Of Doom]

QS: I hope that you know this already, but if the Avengers comes back, you'll have to share the shop and battling place with CC... The actual capture center would be under your control, but we'd have to work out a compromise and shared ownership of the other topics. So you'd only get complete ownership of the PA capture center itself.


I don't see why someone else co-owning the Avengers would help Quick share and cooperate... The best thing to do that would be carefully watching the PA and making it clear that if it doesn't cooperate it will get shut down or penalized some other way. It would be great for PA to come back and exist peacefully with CC, but if that doesn't work out, the Avengers would need to be closed again =/.

[Jay]

Originally posted by Aipom Of Doom
QS: I hope that you know this already, but if the Avengers comes back, you'll have to share the shop and battling place with CC... The actual capture center would be under your control, but we'd have to work out a compromise and shared ownership of the other topics. So you'd only get complete ownership of the PA capture center itself.

Danny, I wouldn't even start articulating about that right now eminently since this has not been sent in for endorsement as far as I know of, and its hopes aren't looking great either.

Snickers!! Not to criticize your activity down at Bulbagardens, QS, but you were quite torpid, and even though I shouldn’t be suggesting it but another working-hand could be in question. Patently from what I’ve seen both when you were at TPM and at BMGf you idle out very much, and you often relied on the other workers to settle for you. I really don’t think you’re up for taking up such a massive role here, and, as much as you don’t want to hear it, others can certainly handle it better than you can.

[Quicksilver62160]

I already hired someone to help me out around PA, Frank is going to be the newest employee. I figure Becca and I could use a helping hand and he's been the most loyal Avengers, he even followed us to BMG and posted avidly.

The only reasons I'm not around much is because I have full time college and a full time job, not to mention a social life. It's summer though so no more classes so I've got plenty of time to post here so don't worry about me keeping up. Make sure everything stays active at CC, that's the reason for loss of activity, if the refs don't post people just don't bother going back.

[Jay]

Before this gets closed, start treating it as a poll and not a debate. All you had to do is send your game idea to the mods, how simple is that?

[Lady Vulpix]

The other mods have been discussing this all day long yesterday, Jay. It would be great if you could get on AIM some time, so that you could join the discussion.