I'm not buying Colosseum.

[Kari and Mewtwo]

meh, if i ever do get colluseum, it'll only be for a couple of reasons.

1.) Salac berry. MUST get my hands on that.
2.) Celebi.. yay... </sarcasm>
3.) Catching the GSC pokemon that ARENT in FR/LG
4.) Next-level battle simulation, although the game itself will most likely be ridiculously easy because the cpu's AI is nowhere near that of a competitive human player, judging by stadium & stadium 2's AI.
5.) utility purposes (extra tms, berries, trading, etc)

otherwise, colluseum is a flop imo.

[The Gremlin]

From now on i will only read negative comments about pokemon collosuem from people who have actually played the game, not the japanese version because if you cant read japanese (unlike me) then you cannot enjoy it fully.

So i guess the number of valid negative comments are equal too....

ZERO.


Don't judge a book by its cover people its bad for your health and bad for your face.

Pokemon Collessuem is a good game and i dare anyone here to play it and say elsewise.



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[Razola]

Originally posted by The Gremlin
From now on i will only read negative comments about pokemon collosuem from people who have actually played the game, not the japanese version because if you cant read japanese (unlike me) then you cannot enjoy it fully.

But positive comments from people who haven't are perfectly fine? Nope, that doesn't register.

And I'm sorry if I don't feel like:

A) Wasting any amount of money on this game to confirim my feelings.

B) Posting: "BASED ON ARTICLES I HAVE READ, I DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS GAME IS WORTH PLAYING" whenever I state my opinion.

Originally posted by Mewton2
Ahk-Her, Aninymouse! Ahk-Her!

There's no shame in admitting defeat, but don't act like a damn child about it.

[Kojiro]

Everytime a big game comes out I always fear it will be bad becuase of topics like this. But when I get it I love it, this topic is starting to make me not want the game because someone is pointing out all the flaws. But I will still get it and end uploving it!

[Razola]

If you like Colosseum, then you will love games like Unreal Tournament 2004 and Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow. Both which are already out and demand your purchase.

[The Muffin Man]

Originally posted by Raz
If you like Colosseum, then you will love games like Unreal Tournament 2004 and Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow. Both which are already out and demand your purchase.

Only one statement sums up my reaction.


Double-yoo Tee Eff?

[Kari and Mewtwo]

Alright, seeing as most of you people are blind to the truth, I shall tell you "the truth" about colluseum

1.) No gym leader castle
2.) No oober battles. The Mewtwo battle in Stadium 1 and the Lugia/Ho-oh/Mewtwo battle in Stadium 2 were by far the whole backbone of the stadium series. I was expecting a Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza/Mewtwo/Lugia/Ho-oh battle, but now it looks like the chances of that happening is now 0.
3.) Round 2 mode. Another backbone of the stadium series was the replay value that Round 2 had to offer. Though it attempted to make the CPU's AI almost human, round 2 was still ridiculously easy in both stadiums, but it was fun nonetheless. Colluseum lacks round 2 mode.
4.) Little to No pC system. Do they REALLY expect us to waste another $60 on a flop game like pokemon box?!?
5.) Graphics. As stated earlier, nintendo's decision to recycle the n64 graphics from stadium 1 & 2 seriously pissed me off. Yes, a great game may not need good graphics (Ocarina of Time's graphics are sorta messed up, but it is by far the best Zelda game to this day, with LttP and the original LoZ in a close 2nd), but this is the gamecube, NOT the n64. I feel ashamed to even consider it a GCN game.
6.) No balance of effort. All of colluseum's effort was placed into the RPG mode, and not the colluseum mode. The colluseum mode is almost non-existant, judging by the lack of a stadium-esque PC system, a gym leader castle, AND a final battle vs the oobers (mewtwo in PS1 and the rival's Lugia/Ho-oh/Mewtwo lineup in PS2).

so in short, <^> you, colluseum..

[Mewton2]

Ahk-Her means bravo. BRAVO!!! I got colosseum and it is fun. FUN I SAYS!!!

[Number1ChanseyFan]

Originally posted by Kari & Mewtwo
No oober battles. The Mewtwo battle in Stadium 1 and the Lugia/Ho-oh/Mewtwo battle in Stadium 2 were by far the whole backbone of the stadium series. I was expecting a Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza/Mewtwo/Lugia/Ho-oh battle, but now it looks like the chances of that happening is now 0.

Well, the 8th Trainer in 2 vs. 2 mode at Level 100 Orre Colosseum has these Pokémon:

Trainer #8

Groudon-Level 100
Kyogre-Level 100
Slaking-Level 100
Salamence-Level 100
Latias-Level 100
Latios-Level 100

Yeah, it might not be as tough as Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza/Mewtwo/Lugia/Ho-oh, but it should still be pretty good.

[Poryhedron]

Gym Leader Castle concept = Mt. Battle.

Or are you complaining because you don't get to see headshots of Roxanne, Brawly, etc.?

[Kari and Mewtwo]

mainly that.

Ky00ber? Groudon? The LATIS????

I just hope they dont have soul dew otherwise this is gonna be worse than what i hoped for.

Alright, you people are starting to convince me. Ill give Colluseum a try despite its flaws.

[The Muffin Man]

I'm tired of this "OMG N64 GRAPHIX" crap. No, they're Melee graphics. Not the best 'Cube can do, but still quite nice.

Also, the attack animations are where the graphics shine.

[Ultimate Pikachu]

Originally posted by Kari & Mewtwo
Alright, seeing as most of you people are blind to the truth, I shall tell you "the truth" about colluseum

1.) No gym leader castle
2.) No oober battles. The Mewtwo battle in Stadium 1 and the Lugia/Ho-oh/Mewtwo battle in Stadium 2 were by far the whole backbone of the stadium series. I was expecting a Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza/Mewtwo/Lugia/Ho-oh battle, but now it looks like the chances of that happening is now 0.
3.) Round 2 mode. Another backbone of the stadium series was the replay value that Round 2 had to offer. Though it attempted to make the CPU's AI almost human, round 2 was still ridiculously easy in both stadiums, but it was fun nonetheless. Colluseum lacks round 2 mode.
4.) Little to No pC system. Do they REALLY expect us to waste another $60 on a flop game like pokemon box?!?
5.) Graphics. As stated earlier, nintendo's decision to recycle the n64 graphics from stadium 1 & 2 seriously pissed me off. Yes, a great game may not need good graphics (Ocarina of Time's graphics are sorta messed up, but it is by far the best Zelda game to this day, with LttP and the original LoZ in a close 2nd), but this is the gamecube, NOT the n64. I feel ashamed to even consider it a GCN game.
6.) No balance of effort. All of colluseum's effort was placed into the RPG mode, and not the colluseum mode. The colluseum mode is almost non-existant, judging by the lack of a stadium-esque PC system, a gym leader castle, AND a final battle vs the oobers (mewtwo in PS1 and the rival's Lugia/Ho-oh/Mewtwo lineup in PS2).

so in short, <^> you, colluseum..

1: Mt. Battle
2:Final person in Battle Mode has 4 legendaries.
3:I haven't tried Battle Mode, but some people are smart, some dumb.
4:There's enough in Ruby/Sapphire.
5:Who cares, besides, the graphics are good.
6:Explained in 1, 2, 3, and 4,

[Kari and Mewtwo]

I'll take back some of my negative comments about colluseum for now. Once I get a chance to play it, then we shall see if my opinions change.

[Razola]

Originally posted by The Muffin Man
Only one statement sums up my reaction.
Double-yoo Tee Eff?

If you want to get Colosseum over either of those, you are on crack.

[Nace]

Originally posted by Kari & Mewtwo
I feel ashamed to even consider it a GCN game.

Out of interest, do you consider animal crossing a gcn game?

Colloseum is more about the battles anyway. At least you get to see the pokemon moving and in 3d. Be happy with that.

[Mewton2]

Colosseum is good. I saw Rayquaza in 3D so I'm happy.

[The Blue Avenger]

It may be a ploy by Nintendo to get money, it may not be the best that the 'Cube can do, but I plan on purchasing PC because it looks fun. That's what matters to me in a game.

And I think the graphics are good. Some are just laugh-out-loud funny. Have you seen Miror B?

[The Muffin Man]

The first Splinter Cell sucked. I don't have high hopes for a sequal.

And Unreal is nothing like Pokemon, neither is Splinter Cell. It's a bit ass-backwards to assume everyone has the same opinions about a FPS and sub-par Metal Gear wannabe as they do about an RPG...

[Razola]

Originally posted by The Muffin Man
The first Splinter Cell sucked. I don't have high hopes for a sequal.

You also thought the same about GTA, so I don't hold your judgment in high regard. I doubt you even have heard of the new multiplayer, which is nothing short of awesome.

And Unreal is nothing like Pokemon, neither is Splinter Cell. It's a bit ass-backwards to assume everyone has the same opinions about a FPS and sub-par Metal Gear wannabe as they do about an RPG...

They are games that came out in March. They all cost money. Money is a limited resource. Get the picture? And they all share the aspect of FUN. And guess what? Unreal 2K4 and Pandora Tomorrow are cheaper and more fun than Colossuem. They are, in my opinion, the wiser purchase.

[Kari and Mewtwo]

Well, considering i was finally able to get my hands on colluseum today, Ill admit its better than i expected. The graphics arent really as bad as i thought they were, but still not the best. The moves on the other hand, all i have to say is HOLY ****ING COW. Surf & Flamethrower literally PWNS. Although if you ask me, ancientpower & shadowball couldve used a little bit of work.

The RPG mode is pretty interesting, seeing as you can catch a pokemon besides mewtwo or deoxys that literally has the potential to attack a trainer without having to think twice about it (Ash's Charmeleon, anyone?). True it might not have stayed with the original stadium format (GLC, lab, stadium, freebattle, GB tower, library, minigames, & final battle), but once i get a chance to actually upload my poes (seeing as i have no GCN-GBA cable as of yet), chances are i might enjoy it.

I guess i was wrong about Colloseum.

[The Muffin Man]

Originally posted by Raz
You also thought the same about GTA, so I don't hold your judgment in high regard. I doubt you even have heard of the new multiplayer, which is nothing short of awesome.
~Not if you take more than 10 seconds to pick a game

They are games that came out in March. They all cost money. Money is a limited resource. Get the picture? And they all share the aspect of FUN. And guess what? Unreal 2K4 and Pandora Tomorrow are cheaper and more fun than Colossuem. They are, in my opinion, the wiser purchase.

So you DID buy Colosseum? That's the only way you could give it a fair judgement really.

[Razola]

Originally posted by The Muffin Man
So did you buy Colosseum? That's the only way you could give it a fair judgement really.

That's like gambling. Fifty bucks and gas money for a game who's articles have not made me think I'll like it? It's called renting.

And did you read my post? I am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. I have only so many places where I can spend my cash. Unreal and SC also have free demos, which makes deciding what to buy a bit easier (though Nintendo should provide more demo discs). I liked them, and Colosseum didn't sound good from the articles I read. The limited funds I had went to those two games.

[Powarun]

Your loss Raz, you could at least have rented it. Yeah the battle mode was toned down a little, but the RPG makes up for it. And to those that say it is easy, must have trained their pokemon because I tried going straight through the game without pausing at battle tower or anything, and lets say a team of level 39 pokemon can't beat a team of level 49.

[Aninymouse]

I got the game the first day (almost a week ago, now...) and have been playing it through slowly, surely. I'm the cautios type, you know.

Let me tell you, This game is not easy. First you have the fact that your movesets are predetermined or most of the game, and that you're playing with stuff like Yanma and not Blaziken, for instance.

The levels of your opponents are unforgiving if you fart around and don't train once in a while. Remoraid comes in a Lv20 when most pokemon are 30+, and I' had a HELL of a time purifying that bugger. Also, the shadow pokes are so spread out you can't readily form a kickass team from the get-go, so you're forced more or less to take it slow for the first half.

Really, I don't have any qualms about the game, except I want more pokemon 0_0;

[Razola]

I'm going to laugh at the majority of you if the AI is as piss-poor as the previous Stadiums. High Level does not mean challenging in an RPG. That's laziness, a way for developers to either A) Increase challenge for the idiots who don't level or B) Increase game length for those smart enough to.

I want an AI that very rarely makes completely idiot mistakes and shows some idea of strategy.

EDIT: Splinter Cell multiplayer is amazing. Colosseum is not my loss, but my gain since I had the spare cash to buy such an incredible game.

[Mewton2]

Is it just me, or is Ein the hardest guy to beat? The game is difficult because they don't give you the right guys to snag so its a major pain going against Bosses.

[porygandrew]

Originally posted by Raz

EDIT: Splinter Cell multiplayer is amazing. Colosseum is not my loss, but my gain since I had the spare cash to buy such an incredible game.

So.....

You want us to trade in Collosseum for Splinter Cell?

these are two totally different genres.

Splinter Cell is a much more mature game than pokemon, obviously. Sure the graphics are great and such, but it's a totally different target audience. Saying that we should give up playing Pokemon (Collosseum) for something like Grand Theft Auto (no way in He**<- don't know how much I can get away with on this forum) is utterly ridiculous. It's like saying that we should give up Disney movies for Barber Shop.

Well you know what? I love Disney Movies - Treasure Planet is one of my favorite movies of all time.

And it's great that you want something better. It shows that there are things that need to be improved on. I for one see the possibilities and drool with excitement. But what should I do, complain and moan? No. That is just being a spoiled kid. I'll eagerly anticipate the next games and have hope for the future (as naiive as I am).

The RPG in Collosseum was meant to make it different than the stadium predicessors, but not entirely alienating the series. I do agree with you, however, that I miss the things that were in the Stadium games, but I will give credit to nintendo for creating something new and unique to look forward to instead of Pokemon Stadium 3.

And as always, "Have a nice day "

[Razola]

Originally posted by porygandrew
So.....

You want us to trade in Collosseum for Splinter Cell?

these are two totally different genres.

Read my post, I cannot afford to buy every game that is released.

And yes, yes I do.

Splinter Cell is a much more mature game than pokemon, obviously. Sure the graphics are great and such, but it's a totally different target audience. Saying that we should give up playing Pokemon (Collosseum) for something like Grand Theft Auto (no way in He**<- don't know how much I can get away with on this forum) is utterly ridiculous. It's like saying that we should give up Disney movies for Barber Shop.

Barbershop is mature? I must be getting old. And Splinter Cell is just a more serious James Bond. The ESRB just starts throwing around Ms when people die.

And it's great that you want something better. It shows that there are things that need to be improved on. I for one see the possibilities and drool with excitement. But what should I do, complain and moan? No. That is just being a spoiled kid. I'll eagerly anticipate the next games and have hope for the future (as naiive as I am).

Should I congratulate you for being stupid or something? If Coca-Cola gave you piss in a can, would you keep buying it, saying "Well, I eagerly anticipate their next soda and have hope for the future!" If you were smart, you'd complain, because you are a customer and are entitled to give your opinions about products your're spending money on.

[quote]I do agree with you, however, that I miss the things that were in the Stadium games/quote]
It's official: you are either blind or just lazy. When did Isay I wanted MORE features from Stadiums 1 & 2? If anything, I wanted LESS. Here's an idea: read the entire thread before hitting the reply button.

And as always, "Have a nice day "

If the next console Pokemon game is anything like Colosseum: I'm blaming you first.

[porygandrew]

This is fun

Not everybody can buy every game that is released. That's a lotta dough to throw around for Snap, Pikachu, and Box . But Pokemon as a franchise is based on the idea of interaction with other people through the games, specifically through trading. Sure you can link-battle, but really, the game loses less with that gone than it does with pokemon that are gotten through trading.

And it is your choice between Splinter Cell and Collosseum, and you have made your own decision. Very mature of you. Congrats.

Barbershop: Would you show it in front of elementary students - the audience in which collosseum is for? I'm not talking parental supervision for explination, but the kids alone in front of the t.v. watching the movie while the parents are at work. Same goes with Splinter Cell. (Though I know that it's the parent's job to explain all of the fantasy violence, death, and killing to their children. If more of this happened, there would be less of it happening, but that's another topic)

Coca-Cola is fine. Piss in a can is the opposite of improvement. Stadiums are fine, a scenario mode - though not as great as what could be - is still better than none and a plain-jane Pokemon Stadium 3 (which has been done, twice).

I am happy with what they have and I see the room for future development. Now if the next game turns out to be another Pokemon Channel, then of course I'll get mad. But I'm not going to get mad when they release something that is supposed to be a bridge between the current and the upcoming Gameboy releases. (What are the current sales figures for Pokemon Channel? How many did it sell overall so far? That should be news to Nintendo that even though they have a lower age-bracket for the pokemon games, they still rely on us older gamers to shell out our money for quality games - Something that Collosseum meets the standards for - but doesn't excel).

Stadium games are fine, I wouldn't mind if they released a version that included the old school stuff (like minigames which are addicting) along with incredibly innovative new things; just as long as an RPG game is released side-by-side and both are compatible with each other.

If the next console Pokemon game is anything like Colosseum: I'm blaming you first.

okay, deal!

[Razola]

Originally posted by porygandrew
Barbershop: Would you show it in front of elementary students - the audience in which collosseum is for? I'm not talking parental supervision for explination, but the kids alone in front of the t.v. watching the movie while the parents are at work. Same goes with Splinter Cell. (Though I know that it's the parent's job to explain all of the fantasy violence, death, and killing to their children. If more of this happened, there would be less of it happening, but that's another topic)

I probably would, I for one didn't see anything wrong about it. It had a solid moral, and it was pretty funny. The jokes might be above a child's head.

Coca-Cola is fine. Piss in a can is the opposite of improvement. Stadiums are fine, a scenario mode - though not as great as what could be - is still better than none and a plain-jane Pokemon Stadium 3 (which has been done, twice).

Compare this to other Nintendo franchise: Pokemon is getting the shaft.[/B][/QUOTE]

[porygandrew]

Originally posted by Raz
Compare this to other Nintendo franchise: Pokemon is getting the shaft.[/B]

[/B][/QUOTE]

This reminds me of something:

At my school, we have started the Laptop initiative in which incoming freshman and transfer students get a laptop (transfer students can opt-out). Great idea. We were told that after two years, we can purchase the laptops. Even better!

Well come time to thinking about purchasing our laptops and whaddya know, someone didn't do their research and now we cannot buy our laptops (something about the software installed). Nor have the laptops been all that great. I don't know anything about laptops so I can't give you any specs.

But all that the laptop people have heard were that the laptops were all bed-o-roses since no one bothers to actually voice their opinion.

Same thing here. We as consumers - and you are right about this - have the right and opportunity to voice our opinions over products but most of us don't know who to contact, how to contact them - and most importantly, how to approach the subject. Again, I agree that if we see something that could be done better, we should say something. But by boycotting and flaming nintendo, they won't listen to those who do that. Those who review the product fairly and talk about what type of improvements they would like to see will get more notice.

(and since we are going to go on 6 pages of this topic, could you summarize what changes and improvements would you like to see for any future pokemon GC release?)

See ya! 8)

[Razola]

I've already stated this: I just want a solid RPG experience. It would be great if we could get something that wasn't a retread of the Game Boy pokemon, but I'd be happy if it had stellar graphics, good plot, and a decent challenge.

[porygandrew]

Keeping in mind that the target audience is 8-12 y/o (though the average player is around 14/15 from what I gather), what would you consider a decent challenge for a pokemon game?

[Razola]

Something that doesn't make retarded mistakes, might require occasional level to be less difficult, and keeps the player from getting bored.

Age matters not, they didn't dumb down difficulty when I was 8.

[The Muffin Man]

Originally posted by Raz
Something that doesn't make retarded mistakes, might require occasional level to be less difficult, and keeps the player from getting bored.

Age matters not, they didn't dumb down difficulty when I was 8.

How would you class the opponent using a Calm Mind Suicune and continuing to Calm Mind until it was pretty sure Wobuffet wouldn't survive/Mirror Coat?

[Powarun]

I found the RPG mode a bit of a challenge, especially in the ending Realgam tower. Unless if you train your pokemon vigoursly it would actually be a bit of a challenge, besides making shadow pokemon was a pretty good idea because if you wanted to make a team with killer pokemon, you have to actually have to deshadowfy your pokmmeon.

[Mewton2]

It's fun! FEAR MY MIGHTY POST!!!

[Razola]

Originally posted by The Muffin Man
How would you class the opponent using a Calm Mind Suicune and continuing to Calm Mind until it was pretty sure Wobuffet wouldn't survive/Mirror Coat?

Wait a minute...Wobbuffet?

[Pokemaster Matt]

Raz, I think that was an example.