Official Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince discussion topic (Spoilers)

[Magmar]

If Harry dies, that'll just have to be that. Naturally his scar is a prime candidate to be a horcrux.

If they kill Hermione, I'll throw the book out the window and shan't pick it up again.

I don't see any Weasleys dying anytime soon. Enough bad things have already happened to the family.

[nightcrow]

Naturally his scar is a prime candidate to be a horcrux.

wow... i never thought of that. come to think of it, that could be the reason why harry could always 'feel' voldemort's emotions... interesting theory

[Magmar]

If you really think about it, his scar fits the description, but wouldn't it be a bit obvious?

There's four more Horcruxes out there. Two are Hogwarts relics (a Slytherin one and a Hufflepuff one, poor Helga), one is the snake that attacked Mr. Weasley. That leaves one open for speculation... but wouldn't the scar be expected?? I think it would be more interesting if the last Horcrux was hidden in #12 Grimmauld Place or something.

[Zak]

While I do think he's going to die, they could probably find some way to "destroy" it without destroying Harry himself.

But... seriously, if he does die for either being a Horcrux or having one inside him, then that would mean he wouldn't kill Voldie at the same time. He'd have to be dead before Voldie's body is attacked.


Also, "Niether can live while the other survives", looking closely at the way it's worded, doesn't cancel out the fact of them both killing each other.

But the scar might possibly be destroyable without killing Harry. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Dumbledore say in the first book that he was only suggesting they let Harry have the scar forever, because it could prove useful? With the whole London Underground reference?
Well, as useful as it is, it's served its purpose.


~Zak

[Chris 2.1]

I can't see Harry's scar being a Horcrux. It just sounds too...complicated. Perhaps the Portrait of Sirius' Mother is a Horcrux? That may be why it is not able to be taken down - so it can't merely be thrown away and land into the wrong hands (although, Harry owning G.P seems to have made that happen anyway ). I'm guessing it could be destroyed, but the frame will perhaps still remain intact. Or something.

People thing Godric Gryffindors Sword is a Horcrux, but I'm not sure either. It seems hard to get if it is in Dumbledore's office (sorry, the Headmasters Office), but in Book 2 Lucius Malfoy could have easily alerted Voldemort of where it was, so that it could have been taken perhaps by the imposter Moody, or Snape, or even Malfoy fia the Vanishing Cabinets. Just a thought. But we still have it.

My guess is it will be a Ravenclaw item, and Harry will have Gryffindors Sword or something. Like Harry is representing what Voldemort doesn't have. Or something.

I also believe (forgive me if everyone worked this out) that Wormtail will probably help Harry out in Book 7. That unpaid debt Dumbledore mentioned. "There will come a time, Harry, when you are glad you saved Wormtail's life." Perhaps he reveals locations of some Horcruxes, or even works against Voldemort (I don't know how exactly).

And what does anyone think about Fawkes? He left at the end of "The Phoenix Lament" but...why? I thought he might become Harry's. Just a thought. But JK said herself, Fawkes has always been Dumbedores, as he has never been in any Pensieve memories of the Headmasters Office (like when Prof Dippett was headteacher)

[Magmar]

The Horcrux would have to have been made before Voldemort's initial "death", meaning that the Sword is out of the question. Anything in Hogwarts is not a Horcrux.

Something might happen when the four House Artifacts are gathered together... the Holy Grail might appear and Harry will become Super Sailor Harry and ...

never mind.

[Kris]

Yeah you could have the right idea though, when the 4 items are brought together something could happen. We just dont know what!

[Sceptile_Master]

My mum just came back from ASDA and had randomly bought me the book. It was quite a surprise (at leats I didn't have to buy it, yay). Anyhoo I've just went ahead and read the first 3 chapters of it. It's looks quite interesting so far. Hopefully it will be better than OoP.

[Magmar]

That would be interesting if the ghosts of the Heads of Houses all appeared and gave Harry some magical power that would enable him to conquer Voldemort very easily... kind of like the Oni Link mask in that Zelda game.

[Chris 2.1]

Nice Idea. I wonder if there Heads of Houses stayed as ghosts? Or if they went to the afterlife. If it was the latter, I wouldn't be surprised if we heard of the descendants of the other house heads (Ie: Voldemort was Slytherins descendant) were revealled. *Thinks of Neville as Gryffindor Descendant) hehe.

[Magmar]

Well that might be why they seem to focus on one Ravenclaw and one Hufflepuff. Ernie Macmillan and Luna Lovegood might be the descendants... and there were 7 Weasleys in Gryffindor, maybe they're direct descendants? Even the parent Weasleys went to Gryffindor... as for Slytherin, it's blatantly obvious.

[Kris]

Yeah it would be good to find out who the descendants were of the other houses.

And I think the idea of 'when the four parts come together then a great power / thing will happen'. Seems the kind of thing to happen

[Magmar]

yeah, because the last time the four parts came together, we got a sorting hat.

...sorting hat, hmm...

[Agent Elrond]

Finished it... finally. God I'm late.

To be honest I'm rather under-whelmed. The writing was mediocre, with small flecks of good stuff here and there. Bascially, I think Rowling has lost her spark, and is just toiling towards the end of her contract. (It's been what, almost ten years now?)

Hmm mmm. Yup. Now I'm starting a fanfic crossover of the seventh book. I might post it (in fanfiction) here when it's rolling.

Oh yeah, and this is how I see Voldemort dying.

[Outlaw JT]

Personally, I like the books taking a darker turn.

I have so many opinions about the story based on HBP now. First, I don't recall who but someone said the book confirms that Snape and Draco are evil. I don't think it confirms either. In fact, I think it pretty obviously shows that Draco isn't truly evil. Now I do believe Snape to not be entirely evil and I have a theory about why Dumbledore trusted him so implicitly. The reason given in HBP cannot, and it seems obvious to me, be the reason why Dumbledore trusted Snape. If you want my opinion someone else had it right that Dumbledore knew his time was up. I think he also knew that it would be Snape that would do him in. And I think the reason he kept Snape around was because he wanted him to set Harry off when Harry saw the deed. I mean, do you remember how much Snape kept pushing Harry at the end? He could've ended it in a heartbeat and left Harry immobolized but he kept pushing and telling Potter off on all the things he wasn't good enough at. I believe Snape was setting himself up as a final test for Harry on behalf of Dumbledore (whether he's aware of it or not). So that Harry knew he would have to overcome these shortcomings to defeat Snape before he would finally be able to challenge Voldemort.

As to the Horcruxes........ Someone said there was no way one was in Hogwarts and I think they are completely wrong. I think one of them is definately in Hogwarts and it is what is going to bring Harry back there for year 7. Think about where the other Horcruxes we know of or suspect are. Harry's parents home (suspected, not known), the place of his greatest defeat. With Lucius Malfoy, at the time of giving one of his most trusted and powerful supporters. The Gaunt's shack, home of his origin. The cave by the seashore, the first place he gained a taste for abusing his magical prowess. All of them are places of great importance to Voldemort. Now consider how important Hogwart's is to him..... the place where he truly discovered himself and came into his abilities. Also consider that Voldemort desperately wanted to get back into Hogwarts as a teacher and Dumbledore very blatantly confirmed that he did not want to get back in to teach. If not to teach than what for? I say he wanted to get back in to reclaim one of the Horcruxes pieces he stowed there before graduating.

[Magmar]

The question is--when did Voldemort actually make the Horcruxes? After Harry's curse or before??

[Chris 2.1]

But when would Voldemort have been at Hogwarts to select and create the Horcrux? Voldemort wanted to remain at Hogwarts once he finished 7th Year, but it wasn't permitted - instead, he came back a few years later to try and get the DADA job. When that was refused, he cursed the job, and IIRC was never at Hogwarts again.

Then again, a Horcrux could be PLACED in Hogwarts. But would Harry have time destroying fragments of Voldemorts soul if he was at school? I think if Harry chose to go to Hogwarts, he would go to do his final year. Surely his in-and-out-of-school act, if he pursued it, would just get even more ridicule of how Harry is the "favourite student", and is more privelaged than anyone else?

[Kris]

But one was at the school, riddles diary! Unless Ginny found it out of school? Did she?

I really want the new book to come out now!

[Outlaw JT]

But one was at the school, riddles diary! Unless Ginny found it out of school? Did she?

I really want the new book to come out now!

Lucius Malfoy slipped the diary among Ginny's books at Diagon Alley. And I never said he made the Horcrux at Hogwarts, Chris 2.0. I believe he stored it there in his final year.

[Kris]

^ Fair enough! Wasnt sure if I was right about that one.

It does come down to, at what point in his life did he make the horcruxes?

[Chris 2.1]

Voldemort killed Hepzibah and stole her locket and cup when he had left school and working for Borgin and Burkes. We know he stole them because he was a collector of sorts, but we don't know if he stole them with the specific intention to use them as Horcruxes. Although killing Hepzibah was a significent death - one of the things needed for a Horcrux....so, it could be then.

[Kris]

Its a good idea.

Also thought about the locket thats at 12 grimmauld place that no on could open. Maybe that has something to do with this

[Magmar]

Well there's always the offshot that Malfoy had the Horcrux and that's what he gave to the guy in Diagon Alley (the thing Hermione spied on) but then again I'm really tired and that may have been plot-crucial. I just don't remember right now.

But Malfoy could EASILY place a horcrux in Hogwarts... Room of Requirement much?

[PS100]

There are only two Horcruxes left, I think.

Keep in mind that:

1) The real Slytherin Horcrux was taken by RAB (who I would assume is Regulus Black), who left a note saying that he hoped that he had weakened Voldemort enough for someone to kill him. I would guess that this means he destroyed it, because as Harry proved in CoS, it's not exactly difficult, once you find it.

2) Dumbledore said that Voldemort would make Horcruxes when something particularly important happened in his life. Obviously, destroying the boy who was destined to either murder or be murdered by Voldemort would be very important. I think that Voldemort was going to wait until after he killed Harry to create the final Horcrux, because that event in his life would be far more important than anything else, with the exception of his acceptance to Hogwarts.

Which means, if we count out those two, the diary, and the Horcrux Dumbledore destroyed, that we have three left: Hufflepuff's cup, Nagini, and the little sliver of soul that still resides in Voldemort's body. Harry will really only have to look for the cup, because wherever Voldemort is, Nagini is close by.

PS

[Kris]

What makes everyone think nagini is a horcrux? I think ive missed something here!

[Magmar]

Dumbledore said Nagini's a horcrux, so that in general means it's true.

Wait--Regulus Black, eh? Is he still alive?? And if so, why didn't he inherit Grimmauld Place??

Voldemort's intention was to kill Harry Potter in order to fulfill the prophecy he heard from Trelawney. However it backfired because he killed Harry AFTER his parents, so the curse backfired and destroyed Voldemort. I believe what remained of him, that ugly little maggoty fetus thing, may have been a Horcrux... the 7th piece of soul... that became Voldemort at the ritual in GoF.

[Kris]

It will be interesting to see what happens at the end of the next book.

I missed the nagini bit!

[Chris 2.1]

After re-reading some of OOTP, Sirius explained how Regulus was a Death Eater, but started to chicken out and tried to quit the Death Eaters. Voldemort killed him personally.

This seems to suggest more than ever that it was Regulus who got the original Horcrux. Which means it could be destroyed, or it could even still remain in Grimmauld Place. The note Regulus left seemed to suggest he loathed and liked Voldemort, so I'm not all convinced he would destroy it. Just keep it safe, and have some leverage over him.

[PS100]

Wait--Regulus Black, eh? Is he still alive?? And if so, why didn't he inherit Grimmauld Place??

Voldemort's intention was to kill Harry Potter in order to fulfill the prophecy he heard from Trelawney. However it backfired because he killed Harry AFTER his parents, so the curse backfired and destroyed Voldemort. I believe what remained of him, that ugly little maggoty fetus thing, may have been a Horcrux... the 7th piece of soul... that became Voldemort at the ritual in GoF.

Regulus isn't alive, but I don't think that he'd "keep it safe" for Voldemort -- coward or not, there was a reason he wanted to quit, and if he wanted to force Voldemort into allowing him to quit, he'd steal it, destroy the Horcrux in hopes that it'd weaken Voldemort, and either claim to have the real one still even though it was a fake, or replace it immediately.

As for killing Harry, it is true that he wanted to kill Harry because of the prophecy, but it was probably the biggest moment in his life, and he wanted to create the final Horcrux to represent that. But when the curse backfired, he never had the chance. (Unless, of course, the "scar Horcrux" theory is true.)

Voldemort was the maggoty fetus thing because Wormtail had been feeding him a potion made from... Nagini's venom, and probably a few other magically healing ingredients. The fragment of his soul was strengthened until the point when it has a semi-physical form by the potion; hence, the fetus thing.

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[Magmar]

So then which horcrux did he get the fragment of soul from, do you suppose?

I guess that's why Dumbledore suggested there being 6 Horcruxes. (Shouldn't it be Horcruces, by the way?) The 7th Horcrux had to be used to revive Voldemort...

...wait, what did they put in the container thing to revive Voldemort? I don't have the 4th book on hand.

[Agent Elrond]

Blood (from Harry) Bone (from Voldy's father) and Flesh (from poor li'l wormtail). That's IIRC.

Of course, we don't know that Voldy only made seven horcruxes (six if you don't count his body as one)... he could have made nine (that's another powerfully magic number, as anyone who's read Lord of the Rings can tell you).

*shrugs*

[Magmar]

Yeah, but what are the odds that Rowling is going to suddenly decide to have 9 Horcruxes after Dumbledore insisted that Voldemort was obsessed with the number 7?

[Kris]

O.k lets see the 7 horcruxes..

1. The book
2. Nagini
3. Himself
4. The locket
5. The slytherine (i cant spell) thing, I cant remember what it was.

And we dont know what the others are, right?

[Chris Watarimono]

Actually, the Locket is the Slytherin hierloom with one of the Horcruxes. Don't forget Hufflepuff's cup too, so that leaves six. The seventh one is said to be either something of Gryffindor or Ravenclaw, or in my hypothesis, something that was conceived from both. After all, purple is a magical color in Harry Potter.

Wow, I still can't believe this thread is still live and running after all this time. XD As far as HBP is concerned, I was a tad disappointed in some parts of the novel to tell the truth, namely the hastily done parings and too much focus on the Gryffindor elites, but I must say it was an entertaining ride all the same. I really like the greyness in Snape now with his HBP status and how the OOTP was able to cleverly set us up for HBP (one novel where Harry was proven wrong...only to be proven right, at least for the most part).

-Chris R.

[PS100]

So then which horcrux did he get the fragment of soul from, do you suppose?

I guess that's why Dumbledore suggested there being 6 Horcruxes. (Shouldn't it be Horcruces, by the way?) The 7th Horcrux had to be used to revive Voldemort...

...wait, what did they put in the container thing to revive Voldemort? I don't have the 4th book on hand.

The final soul fragment was the one left in Voldemort's body. It wasn't a Horcrux, it was what was left of his soul after so many Horcruxes being split off.

And yes, that's why Dumbledore said there were only 6.

PS

[Zak]

For some reason I have a feeling she's going to give a little plot twist, and Dumbledore just MIGHT have been wrong about one of the Horcruxes he assumed. Or quite possibly, might even have the whole "Items representing each house" thing wrong, considering they don't know what two of them are.


~Zak

[Kris]

I just cant accept that Dumbledore was wrong about Snape, there has got to be more to that

[Crazy]

Arg,I be having to argee with ya there Kris,there must be more. ARG AGAIN!

[Magmar]

I've a feeling loyalties come second to unbreakable vows.

[Chris 2.1]

I visited a website that really did convince me Dumbledore is alive. I won't bother with every detail, but these are the basics:

-When most people are hit with Avada Kedavra, they slump into the ground instantly. Dumbledore, meanwhile, was thrown upwards and down the side of the castle. It is possible Snape used a silent spell to disguise what he really was doing.

-Bellatrix told Harry in OOPT that "You can't use an Unforgiveable if you don't mean it." If Snape was indeed loyal to Dumbledore, and had to adhere to the unbreakable vow, then would he have the power to kill Dumbledore? If not, his attack could simply injure Dumbledore.

-At the funeral, Dumbledore was wrapped up. We did not see his body.

-When the body was laid down, it burst into flame without anybody using a spell. Could it have been Fawkes inside the cloths that burst into flame? Harry did mention something like that....or something.

-If Dumbledore was simply injured by the curse, then Fawkes Lament during the whole chapter could have been healing them, since their tears have healing powers. Madem Pomfrey was the one who at once recognized the phoenix song...could it be that, as a healer, she knew Fawkes was crying to help Dumbledore? (Not so sure on this one).

-Snape faking to kill Dumbledore may have been what their argument was about, in which Snape said he wouldn't do it.

-By doing this Dumbledore could have lured Voldemort into a false sense of security.


This is all off a website so...discuss. I'm 50% convinced myself. There are more. I think it's Dumbledoresnotdead.com or something.