Pokemon Diamond and Pearl (debate).

[The Muffin Man]

And it can't access the Gamecube either but did that stop it from trading with colloseum.

I'm pretty sure the GC Link cable directly uploads the data.

[Sceptile_Master]

Why can't the DS do that.

[rinku]

It should be possible for them to design the DS games in such a way as to be able to trade with the older carts, even if that means coding in some kind of GBA emulator. My guess is that trading would be limited to those versions with the wireless adaptor. As long as the GBA/FRLGE/Adaptor is receiving signals that it believes are coming from a GBA/FRLGE/Adaptor, it will behave normally, even if the other unit is a DS/DP emulating one. That would be the simplest way of implementing it IMHO.

[Sceptile_Master]

Also they could introduce a cartridge that goes into the GBA slot and then the GBA clicks into that. A bit like a Gameshark looking thing, but for use with the trading. Cheating is bad.

[Silent Dragonfly]

Source: Serebii.net

CoroCoro has revealed a silhouette of what is apparently a new pokémon, named Rukario. It says it will feature in the next pokemon movie alongside mew, regirock, regice and registeel.



From the silhouette, it looks a hell of a lot like mewtwo with a big hat on to me. Or maybe it's a new D/P legendary?

[Misty]

It's going to be a legendary.

[Animelee]

Seems its name is Lucario when romanized, since its name backwords is pretty much the English word "oracle".

Anyways, yeah, I think it's going to be a legendary Pokémon, as well. It looks like it can somehow take traits from two Pokémon and change its form to become those two, or something.

You can view a big scan on www.filb.de

Bring on Diamond and Pearl! *Pumped like one of those frat guys*

Edit:

Okay, so now a lot of us are pretty sure this guy can take traits from two Pokémon and transform itself into some kind of hybrid of the two. What I'm wondering is if it could do this with all 500(?) Pokémon, with any two, or if they have to be fully evolved and share some kind of similarity, or something. Because, seriously, there's not really any similarity between Basharmo/Blaziken and Mew...

Imagine what a pain it'll be if GAME FREAK has to make sprite after sprite of Lucario's different potential forms! And imagine how lame it'll be if they're just two halves of two different sprites put together, heh.

Can't wait 'til Tuesday!

[Jeff]

Interesting...

Looks like a cross between Mewtwo and Blaziken to me so the crossing two pokemon thing seems to make sense.

Can't wait 'til Tuesday!

Why? Sorry can't read German

[Animelee]

I can't read German either, but Filb is my friend, and he speaks English.

It's been said that the more info about Lucario will be released on Tuesday on the official Japanese sites (www.pokemon2005.jp and www.pokemon.co.jp)!

[Sceptile_Master]

Yeah it looks like a Mewtwo/blaziken/medicham thing. That also means another legendary for n00bs to drool over though, soon they will be able to have 6 different pokemon in a team with a base stat total of 680 EACH. Oh weel let's hope the new pokemon are cool and some new moves along with them can make the game more intresting (not saying that it isn't intresting). I mean why release half of the new species with final forms or just one form with like a 370 base stat total. Meaning they are completely useless, it just makes the game more annoying and adds to the heaps of neglected pokemon in the junk yard. it would also mean more updates for my under used and unevolved guide, noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

[SWAMPERT1]

It looks like Mew and Blaziken of course but I have a theory. Perhaps The new legendaries will be a combination of any starter from previous games + Mew. Perhaps in D / P there will be fusion evolution and you can take a starter's 3rd form + mew to a place and combine them(Since the pokemon would probably be gone after the fusion, you would only be able to get one of the fusion legendarys because there is only one Mew).

Also, it would be cool if each Legendary had to be formed in a certain place, like a Venasaur + Mew would be made in a Jungle area. Anywho thats my 2 cents.

[Sceptile_Master]

That is actually something I'd like to see in Diamond and Pearl. mabye a jungle bit.

[mr_pikachu]

I believe that theory was pretty much discarded quite awhile back, albeit in a different thread. While that certainly would have been interesting, if you think about it, making all the different combinations and their sprites would have taken up a heck of a lot of time. Plus, it would have been that much more data used up in the games.

[Ceipe]

> The new generation of pokemon. What are your views on nintendo adding new pokemon to the world. We all know munchlax is being put in, but are nintendo going over the top with the amount of pokemon they are adding. Should they round it off for the up and coming diamond and pearl games to something like a nice 400.

Considering the fact that pokemon from prevoius version will be able to be....what i beleive...sent to the DS cartige pokemon will NEED to be available in the DS game, so I'm hoping for 500+

>should the two up and coming games be set in a new pokemon region or one of the ones already made (kanto, johto, hoenn, orre). Would a DS version of the orre region (probably with wild pokemon) be intresting* (*note that this ties in with the next section). If you think they should create a new world what should it be like.

New generation, new pokemon, nez region is what I think. Though they could link it with the other continents, after all, they are on the same planet, right? And there are ways to travell through them, right?

>Should the pokemon extend to 3D graphics on a hand held system or should they be touched up 2D games like at the moment. As mentioned above it may be interesting to see how the developers would do orre in 2D.

As I said on the post related to this 2D 2D 2D, hehe

>How should the new features of the DS be used to enhance the gaming experience of these two new versions. Also how should the link between the GBA/media port be used to interact with these new games (eg. pokemon trading or mabye getting secret items like the mystery ticket on fire red and leaf green).

Online battle tower/union room merge, those who have a certain level in ONLINE (not offline due to gameshark cheats) Battle Tower to be able to access rooms of ppl in their sane category of battle tower wins and be able to chat in online battles. For me this would be way too cool.

>DV's or IV's and EV's. Should pokemon go back to the old Dv system. For alot of people it just felt right to use DV's and stuff, and made raising the pokemon more enjoyable for them. Ev training annoys people and some think it has ruined the true meaning Nintendo originally said about raising pokemon with love and they will become stronger. For some it just isn't true pokemon with Iv's and EV's.

IV's and EV's. This doesn't go against love and strength, howezver a TRUE pokemon ,aster also takes care that his pokemon has the right experience. So they will make sure that their pokemon not only don't die but have the right battling exp. As of the commentary someone ,ade (I don't re,eber zho, sorry bout that). He said that for example battling a metapod should increase ur attack; true; but ur focusing on one side of the coin. On the other side, u would learn from a highly defensive pokemon in this case how defense works, thus knowing better how to defend.

>Day, night and time in general. For all people who have fire red or leaf green you may have noticed that there is no in game clock. For some having day and night added was an unbelievable and hugely fun aspect of the game. Even though ruby and sapphire still had time alot of the greatness that made the time in gold, silver and crystal. Like pokemon appearing at different times and Buenas password only being aired between 6pm and midnight. Also the loss of being able to set the day was a big blow for some. Events happening on different days was very cool in alot of peoples opions.

Keep them, ok maybe u can't play all events cause of time dif, but.....that's why this game is going olnine, right? U will meet ppl who cqn help u zith that u look for as they have ur problem but can play on times u don't and vice versq, thus helping each other.

>Added ubers evry generation now means there are two many. Some people think there are to many ubers. Should Nintendo stop adding them (Ties in with the adding a 4th generation of pokemon section of discussion). Should nintendo only allow certain ubers on certain versions (ties in with the next section).

Ubers are for nààbs who can't make strong teams and need to use them in the game; that's why they are banned when rules apply, there ,ight be an online 6 on 6 battle that doesn't allow top tier ubbers to be used.

>Pokedex or exclusive pokemon. Ruby and sapphire has introduced another type of pokedex with certain pokemon. Should in an effort to limit ubers make a pokedex for each version. with some pokemon including ubers not being able to be traded to the other versions because they are not in the pokedex. This could allow each version to be more exclusive, or do you prefer it the way it is (having access to all pokemon in all versions).

It has been qnnounced that advance generation games will be compatible, so the national dex will still be available, though I think they should do a dex that includes all with the nez nu,bers rqther than the old.

>Promotional events. Are nintendo going over the top with promotional events AND trading with newer versions. Are to many pokemon now hidden by tickets etc. Are nintendo making it to hard to get all of these special pokemon by having spread them over to many pokemon games. Even after red, blue and yellow (in gold, silver and crystal) it all the pokemon were already available in previous games and there weren't to many promotional events. The type of promo events and stuff were originally meant so that you would buy all the games to get all the pokemon (a marketing tactic), although this has forced people to not get the games therefore sales have stayed the same but the games are less fun. people who liked the series bought the games anyway.

Over the top, yet I think that there should be online events where the prices are those promotionals, even making online torurneys where the winner takes an exclusive pokemon that stays out of the ubber limits. Giving it the obediance gene so that it can be breed (to get the best IVs and the right nature) yet keeping it exclusive.

>Gold, Silver and crystal were revolutionary. Should the series go back to all the features and likness of gold, silver and crystal version. Alot of people don't have the newer games as they think they are inferior. Should the new games go back to how gold, silver and crystal was. For alot of people the feel of these games was superb. How everything reflected the mood perfectly. Like the first time you stepped into Ilex forest. Now the forests don't have much feel about them. There are so many reasons it should make a decent discussion topic.

Keep up yhe good work, I like the advance generation over the 2nd generaion.

>Are you tired of 8 badges and then the elite four. Should the story be changed. Also should the game have more of a longer and more absorbing plot, to make it into an epic tale. One that could possibly open a story line discussion forum. If so what do you think the story should be like/include. Also should there be more effort put into the after elite four or main story type thing (if you don't want the elite four) world. Alot of people find the islands very lacking and ruby and sapphire didn't have much.

8 badges are fine by me, the level required on Crystql was enough to make it interesting. But as I said travell to the other islands should be available.

[Zcade0]

Hey, has anyone said that the guy who came up with pokemon drew 700 originally?? And with that much space on the cart (more for some spicific carts now, but they cost more), whats to stop them from adding all the worlds, different games according to age, a whole new world, and wi-fi? Also, the reason you idn't travel by foot in collosaum and XD was b/c a) it was to far and b) there are no pokemon and no one is really going to be standing in the middle of the desert.

[mr_pikachu]

Well, because they don't have that much more space. I agree that it'd be nice to have more areas, and many of us commented on that problem in RSE (it discarded Kanto and Johto, while GSC made of point of keeping the old area). However, there's only so much you can do with a cartridge that's an inch long. Don't forget the necessity of storing the Pokemon data, which is a lot more complicated now.

[Razola]

Size of the cart is a silly argument, but I think you realize that.

My guess is Diamond/Pearl won't be Wi-Fi and we'll have to wait for Platinum version or some crap like that to finally get official internet play. I hope I am wrong, as Wi-Fi would make it a worthy purchase even if it continues the trend and does very little to change the series.

[Dark Dragonite]

What I would like to see, I've seen in other games, not sure if DS can pull it off...I learned of the "nightmare system" in which, the parts you have the most trouble with come up more and more(MegaManX8), it would be more challenging...Also, a thing like in Amazing spiderman, where you have options to do side quests, and get rewards if you do it right, would make it worth playing more.

[Poryhedron]

...Also, a thing like in Amazing spiderman, where you have options to do side quests, and get rewards if you do it right, would make it worth playing more.

Okay, perhaps I'm not understanding you right here, because side quests with prizes have been a part of Pokémon for a while now. The Battle Tower, where you win prizes after getting X-number of wins in a row, has been in the game since GSC, RSE had Shoal Cave where you could do a fetch quest and earn the useful hold item Shell Bell every time you did so, Crystal had Buena's Password, which sorta counts...heck the TMs you can win in the slots minigame can even fit into this category.

[Dark Dragonite]

No, I mean like, save someone from danger(I don't mean the scientists in the labs) and get a rare pokemon you can't normally catch in that specific version, I dunno, in SM, you get I guess they would be awards for saving people

[Razola]

I would like decent AI for once. The older games were so easy to exploit it was a joke.

[Zcade0]

Ya. The olny person that were remotly challenging was the water, ground, and rock gyms (and elet 4 if they had them). (I always pick fire type) and combuskin's second type took out the rock fearing. And I really hope we gon't have to wait till were 48 to get wi-fi. And I don't see how size of the cartreger has anything to do with it. Nintendo's philosopy: smaller = more power. seriously. Everytime they supershrink, you get more stuff on your game. And gameboy carts can't be that small. Look at Tales of Phantasia. That game takes forever and has a reall-time battle system. Its not even remotly turn based like Final Fantacy Advance is.

[mr_pikachu]

Even the newer games are easy to crush most of the time, and that's when you're playing with Pokemon of lower levels than your opponents. (Why is that Mightyena using Odor Sleuth on my Kadabra... again?) The Elite Four's only challenging until you get your Pokemon up to an equal level as those of the E4 members and raise enough money for a few Hyper Potions and Revives. The only sections in any of the games that I find truly difficult are the Battle Tower/Frontier areas. In GSC, the Tower just had ridiculous luck, and its counterpart in RS actually wasn't all that challenging. In my opinion, the Frontier in Emerald has been the first in-game feature that is both fair (as far as I can tell, at least) and really tough.

As for cartridge sizes, I'm just saying we shouldn't be expecting five regions, 3D real-time (i.e. not turn-based) battling, and an array of WiFi features to go with 500+ Pokemon. (Although, admittedly, a game with all these features would be simply unbelievably incredible.) I would definitely like some more areas and quests, as that would obviously add more gameplay. But realistically, they've probably got some features planned that haven't even been hinted at yet, and I doubt they'll want to spend too much time and money trying to figure out how to pack a half-dozen lands and those other features onto one cart. It's not just the technical capabilities, even, but the programming process as well.

And yeah, they'd have to add a good amount of trainers to those new lands, too, and that sort of thing takes time. That's especially true if the regions were to all have a bunch of "unique" characters of their own like Gym Leaders, which would prevent them from simply reusing their other sprites.

[Razola]

We also need higher level content. Gold/Silver kinda had it, but something a bit meatier. Running the Elite 4 over and over is not fun to get pokemon to 100.

[Drago]

Dammit, I want to see hardcore consequences, the kind that makes children cry. A winner takes all match, where the loser relinquishes the Pokemon they fought with. A challenge that, if failed, you miss out on a kickass Pokemon or item. A storyline that changes depending on your gender (dating gameshows, you know you want it ) My demands are simple, I want the Pokemon franchise to mature like I have. I know that's not going to happen.

A more logical request; I would like for the Pokemon to feel more like they're 'with you', somehow. I felt kind of lonely despite having a belt-full of beasts. It was cool having Pikachu follow you around in Yellow. I dunno how else that could be implemented, though.

EDIT: I suppose a simple way to feel less 'alone' is to make your starting Pokemon actually part of the plot, in a sense. A part where it jumps out of the ball and you have to follow it, 'Where is ____ going?', simple crap like that. It could be uniform for all of the starters, or, bestill my foolish heart, different depending on the starter you chose.
ie., you're getting hassled by a rival trainer. Whereas the water starter would be mellow and let it slide, the fire starter gets pissed off and thrusts you into battle. Or the grass starter takes a cheap shot, and you have to run like hell. Now that'd be sweet. Just means you'd have to have your starter with you at certain times crucial to the plot. It's just a goofy little idea I came up with, but I'm kind of fond of it now.
EDIT2 because it's not worth making a new post: Key point above, you'd have to have your starter with you at certain times. Not constantly, just at certain times. Seriously, without new (albeit entirely stupid) crap like that we just get the same rehashed game again and again; I want my Pokemon to actually be... well, alive? And yeah, my wonderful theory also means you can't trade your starter (you want to trade a starter, just breed the punk and pawn off their offspring). How devious.

[Rabid_Cow]

Not to put rain on your parade, but you can always deposit a poke. If you couldn't deposit the poke it would make the game too much like other RPG's. (i.e. FF series...) Pokemon offers variety, and that's what the people always come back for. More new pokes and new things to do.

[mr_pikachu]

Maybe it'd be like Ash's Pikachu, who has always been in the lineup with very few exceptions (Ash vs. Gary in Johto, for instance). Maybe it won't let you deposit or trade it!

Of course, I suppose that'd make it difficult to complete the Pokedex, especially if you couldn't drop it off for breeding purposes either...

*has visions of Yellow*

[Razola]

In yellow you could trade and deposit the rat. Shit, they even let you evolve him on other carts.

[mr_pikachu]

Yes, I know. But he got pissed when you did any of those things.

[Razola]

Yes, I know. But he got pissed when you did any of those things.

No, he was quite content with being a Raichu. He even started going inside his Pokeball.

[mr_pikachu]

Pokemon Japan releases the first DP screenshots!
Ooo... battle screenshots, too!

So, yeah. Pokemon Japan has some DP screenshots on their website now. For those of you who don't want to follow the link, here are some copies of the pics:

Trainer battle On the beach The big city


Male Female


Manyula vs. Munchlax Munchlax vs. Manyula

It would appear that the new field maps are going to be in a pseudo-3d format (but likely still retaining the traditional 2d gameplay for movement itself). And the battle format appears to be largely the same as it has been since RBY, just with further updated graphics.

Discuss!

[Nace]

To be honest I kinda died a little when I saw these. So far it looks like the exact same game we've played, what, 11 times now?

Eh... still, too early to tell if they're going to include the same hidden numbers and "elite 5" plot, but I have this feeling of dread I just can't shake.

[Crazy]

I'm actually happy, I was worried they'd change it into some fugly fully 3D game.

[Outlaw JT]

All I can say is DP better have full WiFi support for battling and trading. There's no excuse for it to not include this essential feature for a DS game of this nature. No WiFi and I skip this generation and just start a new game on an old game if I get a Pokemon jones.

[mr_pikachu]

Never fear!

Wait... what's this?

For those of you who, like me, can't read Japanese, here's a summary of the relevant info, courtesy of an N-Sider article.

Game Freak's Pokemon director Junichi Masuda said in his latest blog entry that he would like and intends for people to be able to play and communicate internationally with the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection portion of the next Pokemon titles Diamond and Pearl for Nintendo DS. Meanwhile, Masuda admits the game is still quite far from completion but assures they will make full use of all the DS unit's functions.

[Razola]

That's an embarrassment. I guess the series really is just a soulless money tree for Nintendo to harvest every few years.

[Heald]

For some reason I was flicking through this topic and came across this awesome post :

http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/in...2146#msg522146

If Gardevoir, as a male, wore a tuxedo, had a top hat and smoked a pipe, I'd buy this game, and a DS, plus some towels to clean my trousers.

Also, Raz, what exactly are you referring to in your post?

[Poryhedron]

Probably the complete and utter lack of real sweeping innovation.
"Oh, boy, we're looking at the same exact overworld engine from a slightly different angle now! That's amazing!"
"Oh, boy, they've got a whole new background image for the same exact battle system!"
Seriously, Final Fantasy gets ribbed for its recent lack of innovation from game to game, but it's had more basic engine innovation than the core Pokémon games.

[Heald]

Okay, some points, which some of you might think are controversial, and have probably been mentioned before, but you're actually wrong, so shut the hell up.

1) Yes, we want innovation, but there are some things that cannot be changed, the things that actually make it a Pokemon game. Pokemon games have to have that battle system, but they do keep changing it. Things such as weather, abilities, hold items, double battles have kept making the battle system different and interesting. Even if they don't add anything, it is still the core element of Pokemon games. People didn't complain about all the Mario games when all you had to do was jump on people's heads, or whine when all Sonic did was run around really fast and spin attack robots. On the other hand, when Konami changed Metal Gear Solid's battle system to some kind of card trading game for Metal Gear Acid on the PSP, this was, on the whole, very poorly received. Change isn't always a good thing, and there are core values to that game that are necessary.

2) Nintendo has pretty much fucked over its original fans. It was people like me, back when I was 10, that helped Pokemon get off the ground. We're the ones that bought the games, bought the Game Boys, traded and battled and signed up to stupid Pokemon forums. Then they released crap like a card game and a cartoon and toys to dilute it and make it into a kiddy franchise. I'm 18 now and probably the only person I know that still gives two shits about Pokemon. I still enjoy the games but I won't be able to maximise their potential because no one above the age of 12 will admit they actually play Pokemon. So when the only way to fully enjoy Pokemon is to have 20 other friends who enjoy it as much as you do, then that's fucked up. The only game I know that 20 people have and play is PSP Pro Evolution Soccer.

3) Full Wi-Fi compatibility for trading, battling, contests and pretty much everything is a good thing. It might actually encourage real trading. As Raz pointed out somewhere earlier in the topic, there is actually no such thing as trading - people only did trade-backs to fill up their Pokedexs. With full Wi-Fi compatibility, I'd be able to peruse the world market for potential trades and add variety to my team - no one wants to train up 200 Pokemon for variety, but if you're bored with one of your Pokemon, you can trade it with someone else and give your team some variety. Battling is also good - back when I was 10, I was the best in my region. No one could step to me. I got bored. I wanted a real challenge. With Wi-Fi I can actually get that challenge, plus learn other people's tactics.

4) The above point encourages training, but I want only visible stats training and the like. Raz mentioned earlier that things such as EVs, IVs, PVs and all that other bullshit and crap like PokeRus are pointless to the game and only give sad nerds an advantage, and there is nothing worse than giving sad nerds the advantage. Scrap them I say.

5) Another point I agreed with Raz on is having an open-ended RPG rather than the usual 8 Gyms, Elite Four, plus some shit about Team Rocket or Team Horsedick and then you get to fight and capture another damned legendary. Hell, I want to be able to join the team and try and commit robberies, or maybe join the police force and get a Growlithe, or join the Nurse profession and get a Chansey. You shouldn't just be forced to try and become TEH ULTIMATE POGEYMANZ MASTA EVAR!1!

6) Adding more Pokemon is a must, but as long as they're useful and people might actually use them in battle, or they're actually different. I'm tired of them introducing Ratatta and Pidgey clones that annoy you in the first ten routes or so. Also, Zubat should be banned from Pokemon. No one likes Zubat, its shit. Also, I'm tired of only ever seeing Tentacool when surfing. Either make them only common on one route/cave/sea or make them uncommon everywhere.

7) HM Flash is useless, both as a move and as an HM. There are only like 5 caves in the entire series that you need Flash to navigate and it really is stupid. Take it out of the games.

8) That's all I can fit in at the moment.

But yeah, I think we all know this game is going to be dogshit.

[Ali]

LIES. I'm seventeen and I still freely admit to playing Pokemon! In fact, I go around at school going "PLAY POKEMON GODDAMMIT I'M TIRED OF BEING THE ONLY ONE WITH THE GAME."

...Okay, that might make me a loser, but still!

On topic: Why oh why is 'graphic improvement' such an important thing? There have been several games that had really good graphics but complete utter crap. In fact, I'm hoping that the reason why there hasn't been much improvement is because they're saving space for a crapload of awesome shit. Maybe they'll be cutscenes? I know I would've liked something snazzier that the overblown sprites that appear when you battle the Elite Four.

Although I think they should've made the background better. Like, make it actually look like you're in a forest or a lake or a gym when you battle.