Gym Leaders Discussion - All ideas here please

[Andrew]

Andrew: The drawback is I could accumulate 30 points in my gym only to have Donnie N00b beat me and own the gym, thereby making me lose out because I didnt spend said points, and Donnie N00b gets 30 points to use as he wishes. I think keep the Gym accounts the same as the members account.

Well then you should've wisely invested those 30 points in a variety of Pokemon for the gym instead of doing nothing with them! Plus Donnie N00b can't actually use those points for Pokemon outside of the gym either.

[Chris 2.1]

But thats unfair because you shouldnt be some sort of "spend spend spend because you never know when your position will be usurped!" deal. And DN would be able to catch things with money you earned.

Either way its not happening.

[Andrew]

Yes, but upon leaving the gym, you'll get to take a few of those prized Pokemon from the gym with you.

[Mega Horny]

Perhaps we could agree on a happy medium? Half-points lol?

[RaZoR LeAf]

A seperate account for Gym Leaders isn't happening. It's just too fiddly.

[Andrew]

It's not fiddly WHAT IS YOUR REASONING!111. Remember Buisnesses used to have their own accounts.

[The Blue Avenger]

With all due respect, those businesses also went the way of the dodo.

[Andrew]

The Blue Avenger, you're missing the point.

What I am saying is that giving the Gym it's own account for the GYM LEADER to control and spend on Pokemon for the Gym isn't a complicated concept.

I was using the example of the old ASB buisnesses having their own account wasn't exactly rocket science either.

[The Blue Avenger]

And I believe you missed my point as well... although I may have not made it as clear as I could. Having a separate gym account is more complicated than not having one - and, if I'm not mistaken (which, in retrospect, is entirely possible), the businesses of old died largely because of overcomplication in general. There's really no need for making things more complicated than they need to be.

[Andrew]

The buisnesses of old died because TPML shut so all buisnesses closed (I even had one) and when TPM re-opened they weren't brought back. I have no issues with that. But to say they died because they were over-complicated is wrong. The most successful TPMers and ones who were able to afford the hundred upon hundred of dollar entry fees to the special things, were the ones who had buisnesses. Thus, they couldn't have had that much cash, if it wasn't for the success of their buisnesses.

But, all I am saying is give the Gym it's own account with it's own cash, so the Gym Leader can run it however they like. How could that be complicated. It's just like running your own account, but one for the Gym.

[The Blue Avenger]

Okay, I concede about the businesses. I never paid too much attention to them.

However, your statement about a separate account for the leader allowing them to run the gym as they like is rather... flawed. In fact, having it that way would limit your choices instead of the opposite. If you inherit the gym's stuff (Pokemon, points, etc.), which is what I've gathered that you're proposing, you're limited by what the previous gym leader did. The way that it's being planned currently allows every new gym leader to do whatever they see fit - use whichever Pokemon they want provided they own it (which would be an issue no matter what separate accounts are made), customize the arena, and so on.

I guess long story short - running a separate account for the gym may be simple, but having the gym stuff integrated with the current gym leader is even simpler.

[Dark Dragonite]

Businesses did get overlycomplicated..atleast in my humble opinion...

They were ok, except the owners/workers made too much money too fast, and they could use their own business...so the money(yen) just got recycled constantly...how do you think I had almost 100 pokemon, and a lot of fully evolved ones?

Then Cyrus, as I've said, the genius he is, decided to level everything...overhead costs were reasonable in theory...but then...look at communism...the over heads stopped people from gettign rich quick, but also jacked up the price of everything to the point where only people in power...like himself could afford anything...hence the crash similar to the American Stock market ...only, instead of jumping out of windows, we jumped from a sinking, flaming, fowl ship...

[Andrew]

TBA, along with the custom accounts, part of my scheme was to allow the Gym Leaders to use their own Pokemon in the gym in addition to the Gym Owned Pokemon. I just think by allowing the Gyms to have their own Pokemon, it builds a tradition or heritage of the gym.

Ie the Misty Example I posted pages back.

As with the arena, I really don't care.

[The Blue Avenger]

Okay, I see where you're coming from. And now that I know that, I guess it's just going to be a "I don't like that idea / Yeah, well, I do, so there" type argument. I personally think that implementing the idea you're proposing would make things more complicated than necessary, since it would require keeping track of entire different teams, whereas the current proposed system only has the Gym Leader know who is on his or her team.

And although the idea of a gym heritage is interesting, it isn't really required - look at how Blue took over the Viridian Gym in GSC or how (spoilers) Agatha took it over in the anime. (end spoilers) I do agree that there needs to be some way to remember gym leaders past, but that's easily enough accomplished by a list or something in the GL tower, detailing all the past leaders and how long they served.

[Andrew]

I don't see how it would be complicated. It'd be kept in a "Gym Leader Topic" and updated whenever the gym's roster was updated.... Seriously, creating and editing topics is simple as crap, and I've been doing it for years.

Yes, but remember, the Viridian Gym was COMPLETELY destroyed and the Gym Leader took off...
However, look at Cerulean Gym, that is the prime example since we have seen it so much, with the Pewter Gym a close second. The GSC argument doesn't sway me as this is Anime style battling.

[Dark Dragonite]

Andrew, I agree about heritage, and about using your own pokes along with gym pokes, as long as you don't lose your pokes to the gym...I just wish there was a simpler solution than having a bank account for 6 and at some point 10 extra things, I'm sure keeping everyone honest with asb accounts with this many people is a hard task.

[The Blue Avenger]

I'm not saying it's complicated, I'm saying it's more complicated than the alternative.

As for Cerulean and Pewter Gyms... you'll have to refresh my memory, since I've not watched the anime in a while, but didn't the "communal" Pokemon in fact start with the Gym Leaders in the first place, like Brock's Onix? So, if we were trying to emulate that, wouldn't it be more appropriate for the Gym Leaders to select a few Pokemon out of their team to be transferred into the Gym account that stay there even after they leave?

[Andrew]

DD - No, you don't lose your own Pokemon... *Sigh* Would you like me to post the entire proposal again?

TBA - Well the alternative is a bit dodgy too "Choose Pokemon to PROMOTE to gym level ect ect ect"

And the Cerulean example, it's a few pages back. And no to the second part.

[The Blue Avenger]

Okay, I re-looked at your Cerulean example, and I get what you mean. But for me it still comes back to "It's simpler just to use Pokemon from your own team in a gym match." Besides, the Gym Leaders are supposed to be the most skilled trainers out of ASB, and naturally they will be more experienced with the Pokemon that they themselves trained. I, for one, would much rather use Pokemon from my own team than from a communal Gym pool that someone else bought, for example, particularly if my title as Gym Leader is on the line.

[Andrew]

I wouldn't mind using a Pokemon from the Gym personally, I'd take it as a challenge to try and win without relying on the old favourites. BUT when someone came to try steal my place, it'd be:

Game on! MOLES!

[The Blue Avenger]

Don't get me wrong; if it weren't a gym match where you're supposed to try and beat the challenger into submission as quickly as possible, I'd love to try a match where I don't use my own Pokemon. But in a match of said type, I (and I'm reasonably certain a lot of people would feel the same way) would rather use Pokemon to which I'm accustomed and with which I know how to win.

[Andrew]

But since Gym Leaders are picked on Talent, not their Pokemon, I think that they'd be able to effectively battle given any Pokemon they could.

[The Blue Avenger]

That is true, a Gym Leader should be able to battle effectively with any Pokemon. However, when you've used a Pokemon for a long time, you get way more accustomed to it, and thus would be able to battle with it way more effectively than some Pokemon you've never used before.

[Chris 2.1]

God how long has that conversation been?


Anyway I got the last PM back and can confirm our ASB Gym Leader Line-up:

Chris 2.0
Razor Leaf
The Missing Link
The Blue Avenger
Aragornbird
Andrew

Shortly the Gym Leader Tower will be set up; this is where Leaders can state their arenas and badges and we can finally begin Gym Leader challanges.

[Ace64]

Don't think I could argue that long at...1:00 in the morning- but hey, that's timezones for ya.

The gym leaders were pretty much who I expected. Only 1 battle at a time, right? Prepare to be swamped with battles for the rest of your lives! No, really.

[Silencer]

Grats to the gym leaders. Not challenging any off those guys yet untill my team has a couple of more evolved pokémon (like gengar and alakazam, nidoking could be welcome to :p)

[Dark Dragonite]

Congrats to the new GLs, I already have fought Chris twice, so I have a hint of what he will be like, I'm soon to be facing Andrew, and I used to face TML a lot in the older days though. Should be challenging

[Chris 2.1]

Twice? :|

[Dark Dragonite]

Charmander Vs Magby?

recently, where Feizhi vs tropius and abra? vs. octillery

[Knight of Time]

Congrats to all the Gym Leaders (I expected some people I knew well here would become Gym Leaders).

I'm in the midst of battling one right now (The_Missing_Link), but there's no need for the battle to be made into a Gym battle at any time, I'd rather start a Gym battle with one of the leaders from scratch.

Again, congrats, all of you.

[Mega Horny]

Indeed, congrats. By the looks of things, its gonna be pretty tough to win.

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

Indeed, although the choices were predictable

[aragornbird]

Hey, coolness, I am a Gym Leader....awesome! I'm looking forward to the Grand Opening of the Gym Leader's Tower.

[RaZoR LeAf]

Gym Leader Thread is now open. Can all Gym Leaders please post their Badges and Arena there (not right now, just as soon as you think them up thanks). Can all non-Gym Leaders please refrain from posting there.

[Dark Dragonite]

Not posting in other thread...so where do we challenge, in the normal place for ASB matches?

Can a GL deny a challenge?

[Ace64]

To take part in a Gym Battle all you have to do is challenge a Gym Leader to a Gym Match. You can do this by PMing them, or just posting a topic with the challenge in the title.

If and when a Gym Leader accepts the challenge, they reserve the right to change or set the rules for the match as they see fit.

Copied from the second paragraph or so from the GL thread. It doesn't say they can outright deny a challenge, but I would guess that they could.

[Silencer]

Question, seeing as you can't post in the gym leader thread I'll post here.

If the Temp-Gym Leader and Ex-gymleader battle (second time for the position) will they fight at the temp leaders gym or the ex leaders?

[Chris 2.1]

Current Gym Leaders arena.

Dark D: I don't remember that -_-;; My magby or my Charmander? I thought I used a free evo on both. *is puzzled* I remember our more recent match though

[Dark Dragonite]

my charmander(shiny) vs. your magby...that's why I will be getting a zard, so maybe we could have a rematch...

Can a GL deny a match?

[Silencer]

Gym leader tower says when leader and challenger can't agree on the rules, the GL has the right to deny the challenge. Basicly this means, if you want to fight a GL, go by his/her rules