World of Warcraft: Take 2

[Leon-IH]

Well the raid I'm in dropped Gehennas tonight, second proper pull ever (a hunter pulled when we wern't ready because our raid leader said to, he wasn't thinking).

We seem to be getting insane numbers of earthfury set pieces dropping at the moment, 4x Earthfury Boots, 1x Earthfury Bracers, 1x Earthfury Gloves (which I am the proud owner of) all this in our first 5 raids.

Half the other classes want to reroll alliance to escape all the Earthfury drops

[Last Exile]

My guild can do the first 8 bosses of MC easy as pie 1st shot, no problems. 27 epics and Major Rejuvenation Potion recipe dropped last week. 25 epics last night. It's Majordomo that's giving us some trouble now.

Lately too much mage stuff is dropping. Every boss and 2 trash mobs dropped mage epic set gear in MC last night. It was so annoying. Priests and pallys got most of the rest.

[FTorchicX]

My god, Maraudon is a Shaman's paradise.

Alright, so I FINALLY got into a good stable group. I went in there hoping to atleast get the Gatorbite Axe or the Rockgrip Gauntlets, and I ended up getting both! I'm probably going to go do another run later, to get the shield that Gizlock drops.

By the way, Kridias is now lvl 50.

[Last Exile]

Respecced my Druid for 1.8 yesterday. God, so much better now. The only thing I fear anymore are Warriors. I can go head to head with Rogues now or at least get away with ease now, Shamans aren't as deadly as they used to be, I mash the hell out of Mages and Warlocks. The increase in damage is so significant. Plus Heart of the Wild has made for a very nice mana pool. I heard Warlocks also got some good upgrades in 1.8

Looking forward to Four Dragons and the new Silithus missions. The option of repeatably being able to get more Cenarion Circle Faction is attractive since I'm already on Friendly with them, might be interesting to see what opens up with them on higher faction levels.

Been levelling up my Human Rogue a bit too. She's now Level 22 and I'm having a lot of fun with her. Did the Deadmines for the first time yesterday with 2 lv 50s zerging the way for me. 3 of my Defias set dropped, including the rare Defias chest. Got all 5 missions in the Deadmines done in the one go, already about half way through Honoured with Stormwind. This time around I'm gonna do the areas I didn't do with my Night Elf Druid. Redridge Mountains and Westfall were so easy to level in. I'm definitely gonna do Duskwood and Theramore as well. Plus this time around, I'm finding more dungeon missions since I've found a way to find all the available ones.

I now have only one complaint about the game : NERF SHAMANS. There's some Horde on Blackrock that recently achieved High Warlord in their Honour rank. They're all Shamans, no surprise. All these guys do is Arathi Basin or Alterac Valley over and over 24/7, it's disgusting. Get a life, for crying out loud.

One final thing: does anyone know whether Ashbringer can actually be found in the game yet? Or is it a new drop/made item from Blackwing Lair?

[FTorchicX]

I now have only one complaint about the game : NERF SHAMANS. There's some Horde on Blackrock that recently achieved High Warlord in their Honour rank. They're all Shamans, no surprise. All these guys do is Arathi Basin or Alterac Valley over and over 24/7, it's disgusting. Get a life, for crying out loud.

Well I wanted to get the BG epic mounts, but after hearing that High Warlord is almost impossible to get, I am now inclined to just save up for a normal epic. I mean, I couldn't even make High Warlord, and I play this game a lot.

Anyways, I have one more thing to say: DON'T NERF SHAMANS! =P

[Razola]

My server has no Rank 14 Shaman. But we have Mages, Warlocks, Priests, and a rogue who all held the rank at one point in time. And Honor Rank is no indication of balance. It just means you can sit your ass in a battleground for 12+ hours a day.

And Shaman still need talent tweaks. Stormstrike is horrid, and the Mana Tide talent line is just ass.

Chances are a good warlock will devour your face as a druid. Unless they are using an imp or succubus.

[Charizard04621]

Exactly, I had to go out of my way to sit in wsg to get to rank 3 so I could get my Rogue trinket. =/ I saw a 49 Shaman there; he told me he'd gotten 20K honor points in that week, which means that's all he'd been doing considering he hadn't gained a level. Mind you, he was actually a good wsg player and an effective leader, but some people just stay at something-9 forever and don't even need talent to do anything. Play enough and you'll eventually build up kills even if all you're bringing back is medals of sacrifice. You don't even have to kill; all you need is to be alive around your party when somebody dies. Honor is about time, really. And I guess how difficult it is to get you bored >< I personally don't want to spend one hour every day waiting for the next game, which lasts like 10 minutes because people are idiots and don't listen so that alliance beats the crap out of us (I have awful luck with waiting times).

[Musourenka]

Chances are a good warlock will devour your face as a druid. Unless they are using an imp or succubus.

Indeed. As one druid found out a few days ago, if you have the opportunity to take a first strike against a warlock, DON'T ATTACK THEIR VOIDWALKER. I'm running through the Barrens, and a Tauren Druid decides to open up combat by attacking my voidwalker. Big, big mistake. DoT, DoT, Immolate DoT, Shadowbolt. He rushes at me in bear form. I Fear him and toss out another Shadowbolt. My voidwalker is poking for absurdly low amounts of damage. Fear breaks and the druid shifts back to normal form. He's down to about 1/4 his HP or so, so I'm figuring he's going to heal. I don't give him the chance and I fear him again. As the DoTs do their damage, I fire one last spell (Immolate) and kill him.

And I didn't even need to sacrifice the Voidwalker.


I love the minor tweaks Warlocks got in 1.8. More-DPS-over-less-time DoTs helps me out considerably, since I always open up with Curse of Agony and Corruption. The improved Death Coil will be fun when I get it, Ruin didn't get nerfed (even though it wouldn't affect me if it did -- I'm heading for a 20/31/0 build), and the Soul Link nerf doesn't seem like a huge loss, with the very minor boost in damage and only needing to cast it once.

Speaking of build, here's how I plan to make my build (major Demonology, minor Affliction). Any suggestions?

- Affliction -
Supression 5/5
Improved Corruption 5/5
Improved Life Tap 2/2
Improved Curse of Agony 3/3
Amplify Curse 1/1
Grim Reach 2/2
Nightfall 2/2

- Demonology -
Demonic Embrace 5/5
Improved Imp 3/3
Improved Voidwalker 3/3
Fel Intellect/Fel Stamina 5 ranks between the two; not sure how I'm going to split them.
Fel Domination 1/1
Master Summoner 2/2
Unholy Power 5/5
Demonic Sacrifice 1/1
Master Demonologist 5/5
Soul Link 1/1

[Leon-IH]

I now have only one complaint about the game : NERF SHAMANS. There's some Horde on Blackrock that recently achieved High Warlord in their Honour rank. They're all Shamans, no surprise.

Vin Diesel can dual weild 2handed axes and carry a sheild.

[Last Exile]

Believe me, Hawkers is ALWAYS active! Because he kills so many people when taking a flag it's not funny. You need 6 people to take down this guy. He spends 20 hours in a BG a day, literally.

Apparently when AB first came out, he found a cheat to get through the gate before the match started so that the Horde would have all the flags before the game even started. Any match he's in is a foregone conclusion.

You are correct, Raz. I came across a warlock in Winterspring 2 days ago and he completely raped me 8 ways from Sunday with his 6 different burns and his felhound.

[Razola]

If he is cheating, report his ass. And there is no way in hell a Shaman needs 6 people to take down. A paladin may be able to stay up for a reasonable amount of time, but Shaman will go do with a decent amount of speed. Especially since Invulnerable Mail got nerfed.

[Asilynne]

Hey guys I have a quick question...
I play WoW but unfortunately I can only play on my friends account, and I heard from more than one UN reliable source (as in, I dont know how reliable) that eventually itll be possible to transfer a character from one account to another. Has anyone heard of this at all? Im trying to dispell any myths before I go and get my hopes up (Im almost to level 30 -.-())
Thanks to any who can answer!

[Charizard04621]

No =/ Have not heard of it, and I doubt Blizz would ever do that. There's a security issue with that as well...

[FTorchicX]

Well, I do recall hearing about them planning on making you pay money for transferring a character, but I highly doubt that it's true.

At one point I wanted to transfer my character as well, because one of my IRL friends was on another server. I'm kind of glad I didn't though, since he's pretty much quit World.

[PNT510]

[b]I'm pretty sure that Blizzard said something that they were planning on implimenting something where you can transfer characters from server to server or from account to account somewhere down the line.

[Asilynne]

FTorchicX and Pants: Yeah thats what I heard, I heard it was going to be released or implemented or whatever during/after some convention towards the end of this year, but thats about all. I havent seen anything about it on the WoW website or seen it officially confirmed though. Anyone know of any other sites that might have this kind of info?

[Razola]

There will be fee-based transfers in the future. Proof is here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...=1#post4782636

It can be restriction-less realm transfers or account transfers. I plan on getting one or two of my brother's characters when he quits. It has been also stated that you'll be limit to a number of transfers per month to avoid abuse.

[Yero Thropp]

Musourenka,

Allow me to copy your future talent tree here for my own reference:

- Affliction -
Supression 5/5
Improved Corruption 5/5
Improved Life Tap 2/2
Improved Curse of Agony 3/3
Amplify Curse 1/1
Grim Reach 2/2
Nightfall 2/2

- Demonology -
Demonic Embrace 5/5
Improved Imp 3/3
Improved Voidwalker 3/3
Fel Intellect/Fel Stamina 5 ranks between the two; not sure how I'm going to split them.
Fel Domination 1/1
Master Summoner 2/2
Unholy Power 5/5
Demonic Sacrifice 1/1
Master Demonologist 5/5
Soul Link 1/1



I've studied your talent tree, and I have a few comments and suggestions.

First, pick a pet. I doubt that you'll ever use your imp, so why have points in improved imp? It sounds like you like using your void, so it's good that you have points in improved voidwalker. If you decide not to have any points in improved imp like I suggested, that means you'll need to put points in Improved Healthstone if you want to move on to Fel Domination and Fel Stamina (both of which I recommend you max.) Since you are a demonology major, it is a good thing you have Master Summoner, Unholy Power, Demonic Sacrifice, Master Demonologist, and Soul Link. However, might I point out a flaw in your tree; Master Demonologist requires you to have 25 points before you can even decide to use it, however with the tree you have given you only have 24 points total before you reach Master Demonologist. You'll need to put a point somewhere else (might I suggest Improved Firestone?), then max Master Demonologist. Finally, Soul Link will be available to you, for a grand total of 31 points.

As for your minor, I do agree that Affliction is the minor you want to choose if you are going with Demonology major, however with the tree you have, you would have major problems against hunters. They will scare your Voidwalker, your void will be busy with their pet; now it's a battle between a slow casting cloth wearer vs a very fast and powerful mail wearer who can probably heal better than you. I STRONGLY suggest putting points into Suppression, as you have, but instead of Curse of Agony, use Curse of Weakness. Rogues and Hunters rely on doing small damage quickly; your Soul Link already cuts their attack in half, but remember, you are still a cloth wearer. Maxing Improved Curse of Weakness will piss hunters and rogues off, guaranteed. I suggest not using Curse of Agony on fast damage dealers because more than likely, the battle will be over before 30 seconds is up and your curse has taken full effect.

Finally, if you REALLY want to piss people off, spend two points on Improved Spellstone. Oh, the joys of being able to wear cloth and survive many a bullet and fire bolt to the face.

If you were going Destruction major, then I would totally agree with using Curse of Agony. But of course, it's your tree, your character, and it's up to you Have fun!

[Asilynne]

There will be fee-based transfers in the future. Proof is here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...=1#post4782636

It can be restriction-less realm transfers or account transfers. I plan on getting one or two of my brother's characters when he quits. It has been also stated that you'll be limit to a number of transfers per month to avoid abuse.

Woot! Raz, you are my hero LOL Im so glad that it wasnt just a rumor XD

[Charizard04621]

Hey, that's actually pretty cool. Although that might mean new servers will see an influx of level 60s from all over the place and we'll be overcrowded. Limits on transfers-per-month is not good enough. Oh well =/ As long as groups of 10+ level 60 alliance get bored of camping STV when I'm level 43, it'll be all good.

[PNT510]

[b]People can already get characters up to level 60 within a week or so of a server starting up so I don't see people transfering 60's onto never servers being that bad.

[Razola]

First 60 on Emerald Dream was withing two weeks.

Excellent MC run tonight. I got Aged Core Leather Gloves along with the Cenarion Belt. I would have had the Cenarion Spaulders but I was 1 DKP too short.

We had the Leggings, Belt, Spaulders, and Gloves drop. I think nearly every druid got something tonight.

EDIT: While the mana regen is nice, the +healing on some of the shit is retarded. C'mon...+9 to healing? My previous belt had +35.

[Charizard04621]

Think about it, if somebody has three level 60s and chooses to transfer them all... Another person makes the same decision, and another, and another, and another... Uh, yeah.

Raz do you do it with only guildies?

[Razola]

I believe we could at this point, but we previously were kicked out of a raiding alliance for similar reasons. So no, we run with two other guilds. It use to be three, but one guild was told they either had to go with this new raid or stick with us. A few of them chose us.

[Yero Thropp]

I just made a Gnome Rogue, and I was wondering if anybody could help me build a talent tree?

[Last Exile]

We finally beat Domo. The 4 Flasks of the Titans I made last week really paid off, 2 of the tanks never died in the winning fight.

As for which one I was, in the bottom picture, look for the female Night Elf standing next to Domo's chest wearing antlers. That's me. Because the night before, nearly every boss dropped a Cenarion piece. I got the helm, other druids got the gloves, shoulders and chest. One also got Seal of the Archmagus. Druids really scored in MC this week.

Cenarion Helm is about on par with Stormrage helm. Despite not having the mana regen, it has more stamina and 10 FR, which is definitely good for MC.

[Charizard04621]

I just made a Gnome Rogue, and I was wondering if anybody could help me build a talent tree?

I'd say go Subtlety first. I have an Undead Rogue and I went Combat, which is nice but I really wished I went Subtletly earlier. Just look at the talents and you'll love them =P Gnomes are annoyingly hard to hit to begin with, and with subtlety... *Looks longingly at Initiative, Elusiveness, Improved Sap, Ghostly Strike, Setup, Preparation, Premeditation.......* I mean, omg.

Thing about Rogues is they have really, really nice trees throughout. Depending on how many points you spend, you can get some good stuff off of Assassination as your second tree. Malice, Ruthlessness, Murder, Lethality, Relentless Strikes are all nice. It's too bad you can't get improved Kidney Shot if you go Subtlety, but that's all right.

Rogue trees are personal preference, really, since they're all good. Hmm. I went to thottbot and built this:

Assassination
Malice Rank 5
Ruthlessness Rank 3
Murder Rank 2
Relentless Strikes Rank 1
Lethality Rank 5

Combat
Lightning Reflexes Rank 2 or Improved Gouge Rank 2

Subtlety
Master of Deception Rank 5
Elusiveness Rank 5
Opportunity Rank 5
Initiative Rank 5
Ghostly Strike Rank 1
Improved Ambush Rank 3
Improved Sap Rank 3
Preparation Rank 1
Setup Rank 3
Hemorrhage Rank 1
Premeditation Rank 1

It's up to you which tree you prefer, though; look at all the abilities and see which you'd like to use. It depends on how you play.

Don't even think about how to counter warriors and hunters, heh in fact getting dodge ups increases the chances of warriors hurting you severely =P You basically have to keep up your stuns or you'll never win. I hate hunters especially, warriors are slightly easier to stunlock because they can't see you when you're invisible.

[Yero Thropp]

:biggrin: Thanks for the tips!

[Charizard04621]

Sure thing, if you find yourself more of a straight damage person and can't make full use of the Subtlety tree, you should go Combat or Assassination. Combat is especially nice for dps because you get Blade Flurry, Adrenaline Rush (+100% faster Energy regen, wtf!) as well as improved chances of critical strikes and increased damage for some weapons/abilities. I'm also especially fond of Riposte ^_^ Improved Kick is really good, too. I tried Assassination as my main tree and didn't really like it... But if you stick with it it could be quite rewarding. Cold Blood and Seal Fate are omg, so good.

Oh, and definitely when you find a good offhand weapon get the macro to switch between Sword/Mace and Dagger for your main hand. Sword/Mace is for better damage during Sinister Strike, while Dagger is for, well, you know, Dagger stuff =P

[FTorchicX]

I am thinking of making a Night Elf Rogue, and I was just wondering, what is a good server to start on? I'm looking for one that has some great guilds, and cool people.

I was thinking of making an Undead Rogue or a Troll Rogue, but there's so many times I can do the same quests over again before I get sick of it.

[Last Exile]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're using a Rogue, why the hell wouldn't you have Cold Blood as one of your talents? A guaranteed critical strike on your next hit? Considering Rogues are all about continual stuns and critical strikes, isn't Cold Blood kind of essential?

[Razola]

You are correct...at least for that build. I wouldn't call Cold Blood "required", but it's certainly better than Premeditation.

[Charizard04621]

Whoops, I neglected to realize the fact that if you don't take the 31 pointer, you can get the 21 pointer in another tree. =D Yeah, skip Premeditation for Cold Blood. I'm stupid =/

[Yero Thropp]

After careful consideration and reviewing and making multiple talent trees on the talent calculator (curtosy of worldofwarcraft.com,) I now have this talent tree:

Assassination Talents- 31 points
Improved Eviscerate 3/3
Malice 5/5
Ruthlessness 3/3
Improved Slice and Dice 1/3 <-- this was so I could get 25 points (so I could start putting points in Seal Fate)
Relentless Strikes 1/1
Improved Expose Armor 3/3
Lethality 5/5
Improved Kidney Shot 3/3
Cold Blood 1/1
Seal Fate 5/5
Vigor 1/1

Subtlety Talents -20 points
Master of Deception 5/5
Camouflage 5/5
Opportunity 5/5
Ghostly Strike 1/1
Improved Ambush 3/3
Improved Vanish 1/3


All I need is crit gear, and I'm ready for battle!

[Charizard04621]

I changed my mind completely about Subtlety, you don't need anything past imp sap. Prep isn't even that great, 10 minute cooldown.

I would actually go 21/8/22 (just respecced a few hours ago), making sure you get imrpoved ambush as well as imp sap, but forget all about prep. Combat has some really good stuff - imp gouge, imp SS, imp backstab. And, of course, Cold Blood in Assassination. Vigor isn't really that good imo, 10 more Energy still isn't really too large of a bonus to skimp on the Combat talents.

[Razola]

Prep is incredibly good. You are proper fucked against a Prep build.

[Last Exile]

Just won 18 matches in Arathi Basin in a row. Teamed up with some of the ebst PvPers on my server including the #1 ranked Alliance player atm and we massacred the Horde all the way. We won one match 2000-0. And this is only day one of the new honour week. Fark, I'm gonna go up at least 2 ranks this week. Plus my AB faction is looking good, can't wait to be able to buy the PvP gear they have.

[Charizard04621]

Prep is incredibly good. You are proper ****ed against a Prep build.

Prep is incredibly good for one single battle. That's not going to matter in BG, pvp with campers, or duel rematches. Unless, of course, it takes you 10 minutes to walk to your corpse... Which is never a good thing.

Last Exile - You having trouble with long BG waits? On my server I have no luck; it's always at least 40 minutes and tends to extend to about an hour and a half for like a 20 minute game. ;_; I managed to double rank up the week before last, but still, it wasn't very fun...

[Razola]

You don't always need Prep, that's the beauty of it. It's such a stupidly overpowered build.

[Charizard04621]

Hmm, that's true... I can imagine running into a warrior and having two vanishes, two cold bloods... Hmm. I'd be tempted to use it too much, though (used to use too many of my potions before I decided to sell them instead for my mount). I have that problem =P Since I can't really save it for when I'm going to need it, I don't think I'll get it. I'm not sure.