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    Default Kadabra or haunter?!

    Okay, I need room for a flyer on my team. At the moment, I have both Kadabra and Haunter (soon to be evolved as soon as I get home). I am REALLY stuck on which one to get rid of.

    Gengar: I love the annoyance factor of a good Gengar. Sleep+Dream Eater is ace. Good Special Attack, but not as much as Alakazam, I don't think. Crappy defence, but so has Alakazam.

    Alakazam: Insane special attack, crap defence. As usual. But there's Recover, which matches Dream Eater, only it doesn't hinder the enemy as well.

    ARGH! I can't decide!

    Also: For my water type, I'm going with either Floatzel or Vaporeon. Once again, my mind is in two halves.

    They both learn an ice move, although Ice Fang has a chance of flinching and (I think) more power.

    Vaporeon has a CRAPLOAD of HP. Floatzel... does not. Nor does it have defence, although I have been EV training.

    Floatzel has infinitely superior speed, as well as the bonus of Crunch, which is handy against MANY enemies.

    Please help me, people-who-are-better-at-this-than-me! I will be eternally grateful!

    And don't ask me questions about tanks and whatnot. I don't use sweepers, tanks, annoyers or any of that malarky.


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    Re: Kadabra versus Haunter

    Could you post who is on the rest of your team? That'd make a big difference to me; I'd try to use whoever gives you more type advantages, reduces type weaknesses, etc.

    And... I can't comment on Floatzel. I honestly haven't touched the Buizel/Floatzel line at all. Sorry

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    Default Re: Kadabra or haunter?!

    Yeah, for the Kadabra vs. Haunter debate, by looking at the rest of you team, we'll be able to give you a more informed decision about what's best.

    As for Vaporeon vs. Floatzel, I would go with Vaporeon. It has superior HP, Sp. Atk and Sp. Def. (which it needs since its weaknesses are Electric and Grass). A good moveset would be:

    Vaporeon@Leftovers
    "Water Absorb"
    Modest (-Atk, +Sp. Atk)/Calm (-Atk, +Sp. Def)/Bold (-Atk, +Def)

    Surf
    Ice Beam/Substitute/Acid Armor/Wish
    Substitute/Acid Armor/Wish
    Baton Pass

    Vaporeon is really good at Baton Passing. You can set up a good Wishpasser with it pretty easily. I suck with EV's and IV's so I'll let someone else handle those. Basically you can do alot with Vaporeon because it can be a Special Sweeper, but also a Tank and Hazer as well. Take your pick

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    Default Re: Kadabra or haunter?!

    Aaah yes, I forgot about that. *slaps head* Okay, team is as such;

    Ponyta lv.30 (gonna be replaced with Growlithe as soon as I get home today )
    Flash Fire
    Mild

    Take Down
    Stomp
    Fire Spin
    Ember

    -I HATE Ponyta.

    Luxray lv.38
    Intimidate
    Hasty

    Swagger
    Spark
    Charge
    Crunch

    -I LOVE my Luxray.

    Torterra lv.35
    Overgrow
    Lonely

    Earthquake
    Bite
    Mega Drain
    Razor Leaf

    -Same again, I really like Torterra.

    Since we're at it, I usually use the normal Flamethrower/Extremespeed/Fire Blast/Take Down Arcanine moveset, cos I am boring. Any suggestions?

    For my flyer, I'm looking at a Honchkrow.


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    Default Re: Kadabra or haunter?!

    The real question hear is...Haunter, or Hauntoim? Alakazam might be good, since you already have a flyer, plus the majority of your team is way too slow to sweep effectively.

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    Default Re: Kadabra or haunter?!

    So, from what I can tell now, you're future competetive team would be:

    Arcanine
    Luxray
    Torterra
    Vaporeon
    Honchkrow
    Alakazam/Gengar

    Let's check for weaknesses:

    2x Ground (Arcanine, Luxray)
    2x Rock (Arcanine, Honchkrow)
    2x Ice (Torterra, Honchkrow)
    2x Electric (Vaporeon, Honchkrow)

    Its pretty balanced out, but all you're 2x weaknesses are with types that are commonly used in competitive battling. My suggestion would be to drop Arcanine and/or Honchkrow for a Ground-type (or mixed with Rock as well) along with maybe a Fighter.

    EDIT: Time for movesets!

    Arcanine@Petaya Berry/Leftovers
    Intimidate; Modest (-Atk, +Sp. Atk)

    Solarbeam
    Sunny Day
    Heat Wave
    Crunch

    You could also go Physical with him:

    @Leftovers
    Flare Blitz
    Thunder Fang
    Crunch
    Extremespeed

    Luxray@Leftovers
    Thunder Fang
    Ice Fang
    Crunch
    Thunder Wave

    -Same set mine would have

    Torterra@Leftovers
    Overgrow; Impish (-Sp. Atk, +Def)

    Earthquake
    Wood Hammer/Stone Edge
    Stealth Rock/Stone Edge
    Leech Seed

    -Physical wall plus Stealth Rock support

    Vaporeon
    See previous post

    Honchkrow@Leftovers
    Super Luck; Adamant (-Sp. Atk, +Atk)

    Night Slash
    Drill Peck/Aerial Ace
    Confuse Ray
    ???

    -Not so sure about this one

    And when you decide between Alakazam and Gengar I'll give a moveset
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    Default Re: Kadabra or haunter?!

    Well damn, I got a Careful Growlithe from my egg. *breeds a new one*

    I've decided on Alakazam, by the way. ^_^ Managed to get them evolved last night, and her stats are infinitely better than Gengars, so.

    Thanks for all the help you guys! Very, um... helpful!


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    Default Re: Kadabra or haunter?!

    Oh yeah, for the Physical Arcanine, obviously you would go with Adamant for the nature.

    Hmm...Alakazam eh?

    Alakazam@Life Orb/Expert Belt
    Modest (-Atk, +Sp. Atk); Synchronize

    Psychic
    Focus Blast
    Shadow Ball
    Energy Ball/Grass Knot/Recover

    -Pretty obvious set-up. Psychic for crazy STAB, Focus Blast (while inaccurate) helps against Dark-types, and Shadow Ball for other Psychics and Ghosts. Energy Ball and Grass Knot are there just for versatillity (I would go with Energy Ball or Recover, cause I don't know how good Grass Knot is). I'd have to say pretty standard set for him. Just watch out for Focus Blast and how inaccurate it is.

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    Default Re: Kadabra or haunter?!

    Gangar looks cooler, so there for Haunter is cooler. ^_^ Hands down, go with the ghosy with the mosty! *wearing Gangar costume, starts to jump around* ^_^
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