The Johto Dex Idea/wish list/Debate

[Charles Legend]

Well it looks like this time around Game FRreak is going be doing a better job with the HG/SS Pokedex, then they did with the FR/LG Dex... -_-;

The following is what I think might happen going by what we know about the dex so far...

#001 Chikorita
#002 Bayleef
#003 Meganium
#004 Cyndaquil
#005 Quilava
#006 Typhlosion
#007 Totodile
#008 Croconaw
#009 Feraligatr
#010 Pidgey
#011 Pidgeotto
#012 Pidgeot
#013 Spearow
#014 Fearow
#015 Hoothoot
#016 Noctowl
#017 Sentret
#018 Furret
#019 Azurill
#020 Marill
#021 Azumarill
#022 Pichu
#023 Pikachu
#024 Raichu
#025 Caterpie
#026 Metapod
#027 Butterfree
#027 Weedle
#028 Kakuna
#029 Beedrill
#030 Ledyba
#031 Ledian
#032 Spinarak
#033 Ariados
#034 Geodude
#035 Graveler
#036 Golem
#037 Zubat
#038 Golbat
#039 Crobat
#040 Cleffa
#041 Clefairy
#042 Clefable
#043 Igglybuff
#044 Jigglypuff
#045 Wigglytuff
#046 Togepi
#047 Togetic
#048 Sandshrew
#049 Sandslash
#050 Ekans
#051 Arbok
#052 Dunsparce
#053 Mareep
#054 Flaaffy
#055 Ampharos
#056 Wooper
#057 Quagsire
#058 Gastly
#059 Haunter
#060 Gengar
#061 Unown
#062 Onix
#063 Steelix
#064 Bellsprout
#065 Weepinbell
#066 Victreebel
#067 Hoppip
#068 Skiploom
#069 Jumpluff
#070 Paras
#071 Parasect
#072 Poliwag
#073 Poliwhirl
#074 Poliwrath
#075 Politoed
#076 Magikarp
#077 Gyarados
#078 Goldeen
#079 Seaking
#080 Slowpoke
#081 Slowbro
#082 Slowking
#083 Oddish
#084 Gloom
#085 Vileplume
#086 Bellossom
#087 Abra
#088 Kadabra
#089 Alakazam
#090 Ditto
#091 Pineco
#092 Forretress
#093 Nidoran♀
#094 Nidorina
#095 Nidoqueen
#096 Nidoran♂
#097 Nidorino
#098 Nidoking
#099 Yanma
#100 Yanmega
#101 Sunkern
#102 Sunflora
#103 Exeggcute
#104 Exeggutor
#105 Bonsly
#106 Sudowoodo
#107 Wynaut
#108 Wobbuffet
#109 Venonat
#110 Venomoth
#111 Scyther
#112 Scizor
#113 Pinsir
#114 Heracross
#115 Koffing
#116 Weezing
#117 Grimer
#118 Muk
#119 Magnemite
#120 Magneton
#121 Voltorb
#122 Electrode
#123 Aipom
#124 Ambipom
#125 Snubbull
#126 Granbull
#127 Vulpix
#128 Ninetales
#129 Growlithe
#130 Arcanine
#131 Stantler
#132 Diglett
#133 Dugtrio
#134 Mankey
#135 Primeape
#136 Meowth
#136 Persian
#137 Psyduck
#138 Golduck
#139 Tyrogue
#140 Hitmonlee
#141 Hitmonchan
#142 Hitmontop
#143 Girafarig
#144 Tauros
#145 Miltank
#146 Magby
#147 Magmar
#148 Magmortar
#149 Smoochum
#150 Jynx
#151 Elekid
#152 Electabuzz
#153 Electivire
#154 Mime Jr.
#155 Mr. Mime
#156 Smeargle
#157 Farfetch'd
#158 Natu
#159 Xatu
#160 Qwilfish
#161 Tentacool
#162 Tentacruel
#163 Krabby
#164 Kingler
#165 Shuckle
#166 Staryu
#167 Starmie
#168 Shellder
#169 Cloyster
#170 Corsola
#171 Remoraid
#172 Octillery
#173 Chinchou
#174 Lanturn
#175 Seel
#176 Dewgong
#177 Lickitung
#178 Lickilicky
#179 Tangela
#180 Tangrowth
#181 Eevee
#182 Vaporeon
#183 Jolteon
#184 Flareon
#185 Espeon
#186 Umbreon
#187 Leafeon
#188 Glaceon
#189 Horsea
#190 Seadra
#191 Kingdra
#192 Gligar
#193 Gliscor
#194 Delibird
#195 Swinub
#196 Piloswine
#197 Mamoswine
#198 Teddiursa
#199 Ursaring
#200 Phanpy
#201 Donphan
#202 Mantyke
#203 Mantine
#204 Skarmory
#205 Doduo
#206 Dodrio
#207 Ponyta
#208 Rapidash
#209 Cubone
#210 Marowak
#211 Kangaskhan
#212 Rhyhorn
#213 Rhydon
#214 Rhyperior
#215 Murkrow
#217 Houndour
#218 Houndoom
#219 Slugma
#220 Magcargo
#221 Sneasel
#222 Weavile
#223 Misdreavus
#224 Lapras
#225 Porygon
#226 Porygon2
#227 Chansey
#228 Blissey
#229 Omanyte
#230 Omastar
#231 Kabuto
#232 Kabutops
#233 Aerodactyl
#234 Munchlax
#234 Snorlax
#235 Articuno
#236 Zapdos
#237 Moltres
#238 Raikou
#239 Entei
#240 Suicune
#241 Dratini
#242 Dragonair
#243 Dragonite
#244 Larvitar
#245 Pupitar
#246 Tyranitar
#249 Lugia
#250 Ho-Oh
#251 Celebi

~Charles Legend

[Poryhedron]

You made both Butterfree and Weedle #027, both Meowth and Persian are #136, and both Munchlax and Snorlax are #234.

I notice a strange lack of certain 4th-gen pokémon. If Bonsly and Mime Jr., new pre-evos of old species, are on this list then why isn't Happiny? If Leafeon and Glaceon, who evolve by levelling up in a certain place, are on this list then why isn't Magnezone? If Magmortar and Electivire, who need to be traded while holding new items, are on this list then why isn't Porygon Z? And where are the stone-evolvers Togekiss, Honchkrow and Mismagius?

[Rossymore]

You also missed out Mewtwo and Mew. Mew is #250 in the Johto Dex.
Gen II Johto Dex
Gen IV Johto Dex

That's all that has been revealed so far!

[CadoAngelus]

This has probably been asked over and over and you're probably all bored of it if it has, but here goes.

I'm trying to get all (or most) of the national dex into pearl from G1 G2 and G3. Now i know you can only migrate from G3 and G4 and i know you can only trade between G1 and G2 with a time capsule. What i really need to know is if there's any way (without buying FR or LG) to trade between G2 and G3. Reason is because i have caught and traded some really decent leveled pokémon and i just want to pass them on up rather than buy the G3 remake of G1 and retrain everything, and also because i have a mew, and i have no idea how to get them other than trading up.

Any help? otherwise i'll just have to buy the G3 remakes i guess

[Poryhedron]

This has probably been asked over and over and you're probably all bored of it if it has, but here goes.

I'm trying to get all (or most) of the national dex into pearl from G1 G2 and G3. Now i know you can only migrate from G3 and G4 and i know you can only trade between G1 and G2 with a time capsule. What i really need to know is if there's any way (without buying FR or LG) to trade between G2 and G3. Reason is because i have caught and traded some really decent leveled pokémon and i just want to pass them on up rather than buy the G3 remake of G1 and retrain everything, and also because i have a mew, and i have no idea how to get them other than trading up.

Any help? otherwise i'll just have to buy the G3 remakes i guess

Sorry, but there is absolutely no way. It's completely impossible. This was done for a reason; the data for a pokémon in the first two generations isn't compatible with the data for a pokémon in the more recent ones.

If you want to be able to have all of the Gen I and Gen II species without buying Fire/Leaf, there is another way. With WiFi trading in Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, you can recieve these pokémon in trades with people who have Fire/Leaf, even if they live on the other side of the country or the world. Then, too, more classic species can be caught in Diamond/Pearl than you might realize. Some of them can only be found with the PokéRadar, which you obtain along with the National Dex.

[CadoAngelus]

Sorry, but there is absolutely no way. It's completely impossible. This was done for a reason; the data for a pokémon in the first two generations isn't compatible with the data for a pokémon in the more recent ones.

If you want to be able to have all of the Gen I and Gen II species without buying Fire/Leaf, there is another way. With WiFi trading in Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, you can recieve these pokémon in trades with people who have Fire/Leaf, even if they live on the other side of the country or the world. Then, too, more classic species can be caught in Diamond/Pearl than you might realize. Some of them can only be found with the PokéRadar, which you obtain along with the National Dex.

so logically: buy the remakes of the generations; trade over nintendo WiFi; or leave it be basically.

i've looked everywhere and most places i looked said there was no way, i just thought there might be the merest hint of hope i wouldn't have to buy the remakes. cheers for clearing it up though

[CadoAngelus]

I've got another quick question, that when i think about asking sounds about as dense as my last question, so here goes.

I've heard about the Nintendo event to do with Arceus and i thought to myself, how do you go about playing the Nintendo events? do you need to go to a shop and wi-fi connect to a computer with the event data on it? or do you just need to connect to a wi-fi point to access the internet to download the event content? or is there something i'm missing?

[Poryhedron]

Until recently, you had to go somewhere such as a Toys 'R' Us store in order to get anything...and what you got was the pokémon itself, despite the fact that there's hidden content in the game allowing you to explore special areas and find the pokémon in a scripted encounter.

These days, though, Nintendo has started handing out event-unlocking items through Mystery Gift, and you don't even have to leave your home! (Assuming you have WiFi in your home.) You just have to activate Mystery Gift on your 4th-gen game (which is done by giving certain answers in a survey at the Jubilife TV Station), and then you can use WiFi to connect to Nintendo's servers. Doing so will get you an item like the Secret Key or the Member Card; these items are needed to access special hidden content in your game. (This might only be doable with Platinum Version; I'm not sure.)

[CadoAngelus]

Until recently, you had to go somewhere such as a Toys 'R' Us store in order to get anything...and what you got was the pokémon itself, despite the fact that there's hidden content in the game allowing you to explore special areas and find the pokémon in a scripted encounter.

These days, though, Nintendo has started handing out event-unlocking items through Mystery Gift, and you don't even have to leave your home! (Assuming you have WiFi in your home.) You just have to activate Mystery Gift on your 4th-gen game (which is done by giving certain answers in a survey at the Jubilife TV Station), and then you can use WiFi to connect to Nintendo's servers. Doing so will get you an item like the Secret Key or the Member Card; these items are needed to access special hidden content in your game. (This might only be doable with Platinum Version; I'm not sure.)

Well i was on Bulbapedia (Pokémon Wikia) and it gave a list of the Nintendo events coming up and already passed, and it suggested most of them were automatically available to Platinum versions, but it also suggested quite a few of them were open to Pearl and Diamond, being a "seperate" event from the Platinum version - i'm guessing because of the subtle differences in the game engine not allowing them to release one single event for both P&D and Pt.

Did the previous events get rereleased for WiFi? or have they just been classed and "done and finished", because i don't know where i read it, but something i read suggests that the events depend on your DS being set to your time-zone actual time, so you need to have your DS time set properly in order to access these events...thats a little question i wasn't too sure about