Mr Popo's Happy Funtimes Lounge (Dragonball SU Lounge)

**Asilynne** · 17th June 2011, 06:30 PM

I will be MIA for a bit since I'm going through a 6 week long training session with my job and my household is moving at the end of this month. I may be around TPM at brief intervals every once in awhile but I don't have the time or energy for something awesome like a post.

**Bear** · 20th June 2011, 09:13 PM

I'm back now bee tee dubs. I think I'll hold off on another Hammer post until Rudy gets one up, since it would appear the fight is over.

**Master Rudy** · 21st June 2011, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Bear

I'm back now bee tee dubs. I think I'll hold off on another Hammer post until Rudy gets one up, since it would appear the fight is over.

Well I was mainly waiting on you but it looks like I'm not going to have anything to add unless I start posting from Other World since MoP apparently decided to kill off Shitagi WITHOUT MY INPUT! :-/

Guess that'll be the last time I attempt to work with someone who disagrees with a post I made.......I know Shitagi was fairly beat up there but seriously come on! It's not like I went out and killed any playable characters without asking :-/

**Blademaster** · 21st June 2011, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Master Rudy

MoP and Blade apparently decided to kill off Shitagi WITHOUT MY INPUT! :-/

Originally Posted by Master Rudy

and Blade

Excuse me, but it's been over 24 hours. You were here earlier today. You didn't post anything here or there, so I just went along with what MoP posted because I figured as soon as you saw it you'd mention it if you didn't approve.

**Master Rudy** · 22nd June 2011, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Blademaster

Excuse me, but it's been over 24 hours. You were here earlier today. You didn't post anything here or there, so I just went along with what MoP posted because I figured as soon as you saw it you'd mention it if you didn't approve.

Well I'm sorry about throwing your name in the mix Blade. I mainly read that and instantly got very worked up as I'm sure you can imagine. Personally I didn't even get a chance to read MoP's post as I wound up getting called into work before I even had a chance to look things over. The past 30 minutes or so is actually the first chance I've had to sit down and take time for myself all day. Needless to say I think it goes without saying that I'm very displeased over this.

MoP.....I attempted to work with you on this issue you had with my last post involving Van. I got no reply from you as you had been offline for a few weeks following that incident. With nothing to work with and the story moving forward I did the best I could and used my original post minus the part where Shitagi escaped on his own power. James had Hammer come in for the save just prior to his wedding/honeymoon. With the two of you gone I figured I at least had a little time so I haven't been actively checking TPM this past weekend. Needless to say had I caught this post on Monday you can bet your ass I would have spoken up then. The worst part is you didn't even make an attempt to address the previous issues we were having. You simply moved on like nothing happened. Then without talking to me you decided all on your own that Shitagi was going to die there.

I understand not everyone is always going to agree on RPG posting and how others handle their character. You however have taken it too far MoP. It's one thing when two people discuss a player character getting killed off or a GM of an RPG says "hey I think it's time for X to die." It's a completely different matter when you decide on your own that you are going to take the fate and life of someone else's character into your own hands without bothering to consult them first.

The sheer fact that you complained about my last post and then turn around and do this just shows you are nothing more than a hypocrite. What sets us apart is the fact that I was at least willing to work with you and that I would NEVER go as far as killing someone off or giving them a permanent injury. Oh and before you bring up the situation with Rothax's eye bear in mind that this is a world where many serious injuries can be shrugged off by various means (healing tanks, senzu beans, healing upon transformation, ect). You simply just turned around and have done something that I deem to be far worse.

Anyway I'm done talking about this matter. I've already sent a PM to Heald. I'm going to let him decide how this will play out.

**Blademaster** · 22nd June 2011, 12:56 AM

OK, as bad of an idea as this probably is, I'm stepping in because, in case you've forgotten, I have some say here too.

...That being said, I used my say to go a bit too far.

Paradox was only CONSIDERING Shitagi's death. The one that gave him the push to do it outright was me, because the RPG had hit a standstill and I wanted to see somebody post. And with MoP basically saying "Fuck this." on the matter, I more or less left him with no other option. He actually was content to just jump ship from the RPG and me giving him the go-ahead to deep-six you was what kept him from leaving.

Keep that in mind before you have Heald step in and start banning people or whatever. Because I have a feeling Paradox is gonna get his shit wrecked within a day or so.

That being said, you probably wanna know WHY Shitagi was a prime candidate to die. The simple answer is that, in spite of what you think, Shitagi is a Mary Sue and his tl;dr power-trip posts are honestly NOT that fun to work with. Let's take a look at everyone active in the RPG and discuss their handicaps and strengths:

RETASU:
Strength: Pure Saiyan blood and instinct. Power level 20,000~.
Weakness: Not that powerful, can't fight as well against Rothax's goons and so uses stealth tactics to get what she wants.

KURA:
Strength: Same as Retasu. Power level unknown due to Zenkai but likely not very different from Retasu's.
Weakness: Not a fan of fighting unless its Spinarak or she's left with no choice.

GAMMA:
Strength: Doesn't give off energy readings. Has a computerized brain.
Weakness: Can be snapped in half by Rothax and probably Shimuto and Bandlim; is not very active.

ZAITO:
Strength: Meditative training and temporary intangibility.
Weakness: lol human, lowest power of the 8 Z-Fighters.

HAMMER:
Strength: Meditative training and great power inherited from his family line. Power level exceeding 30,000 and may be double that in dire situations.
Weakness: Higher power usage exhausts him; is not very active.

VAN:
Strength: Can transform into a form exceeding even Hammer's strength.
Weakness: Is amnesiac and uncontrollably schizophrenic around Saiyans, obsesses over the Dragonballs to the point that he'll die for them, transforming drains him and drops his power to a paltry 3,000.

BASAWE:
Strength: Saiyan. Can increase his power in 2 different ways; power level over 20,000.
Weakness: Disease that cripples him at almost every moment, cannot increase his power in both ways at once or risk dying, low self-confidence keeps his base power from surpassing its current point on any meaningful level.

SHITAGI:
Strength: Half-Saiyan, descended from Goku, Vegeta, and Bulma, can increase base power with further training, power level 20,000~, can increase power level up to tenfold, as intelligent as Bulma, as righteously powerful as Goku, and is the heir to the Saiyan throne like Vegeta.
Weakness: Immense power increase can injure him.

Do you see the difference, Rudy? I know you mentioned before that Heald or I could slap some sense into you if you went too far before, but I'm not gonna stand idly by while Paradox gets hung from the gallows for giving a very annoying character what he has coming.

And no, I'm not saying that being annoying is grounds for murder. But Paradox and I very quickly grew tired of Shitagi's constant involvement with EVERYTHING. Fighting Rothax, his mom salvaging vital shit from West City as it was destroyed, his mom trashing Rothax's ship, his mom just in general, Shitagi inheriting the Saiyan throne, Shitagi having the Goku attitude and the matching ability to randomly power up to impossible levels whenever the story calls for it. You even tried to shoehorn him and his mom into Asi's business. When nearly HALF the RPG cast is having issues with your character turning the 'S' in DBSU from 'Spirit' to 'Shitagi,' sometimes action has to be taken.

Now I doubt the action taken here will be permanent. But I'd personally like it if it woke you up a bit and stopped the whole thought process going on in this thread of 'You RP your way and I'll RP mine and we'll all work everything out.' Because as you're hopefully now seeing, that 'working out' can come back and bite you in the ass if you don't heed other people's issues.

And even though I egged on Paradox's sniping of Shitagi, I'm not totally defending him either. His 'Screw you guys I'm going home.' attitude the past few weeks didn't make me happy to hear, either.

Now, with all that being said, and everything on the table, let's see how things go from here.

Now if you'll excuse me, my macaroni is cold and I have a driving test tomorrow, so I'm out of here. I apologize for what happened to both you and Paradox, but I hope that when I get back here tomorrow I see good news. This shit is getting old.

**Heald** · 22nd June 2011, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Blademaster

And no, I'm not saying that being annoying is grounds for murder. But Paradox and I very quickly grew tired of Shitagi's constant involvement with EVERYTHING. Fighting Rothax, his mom salvaging vital shit from West City as it was destroyed, his mom trashing Rothax's ship, his mom just in general, Shitagi inheriting the Saiyan throne, Shitagi having the Goku attitude and the matching ability to randomly power up to impossible levels whenever the story calls for it. You even tried to shoehorn him and his mom into Asi's business. When nearly HALF the RPG cast is having issues with your character turning the 'S' in DBSU from 'Spirit' to 'Shitagi,' sometimes action has to be taken.

Now, you see, this was never actually raised with me, so frankly, I'm a little pissed off that you and MoP decided to make a decision that you knew would so obviously piss off one of the other members of the game without even alerting me that you would do this. I don't particularly care for your reasoning behind it, the fact that you didn't even tell me about any of what was mentioned in the above paragraph.

This is not something I particularly want to deal with right now, mainly because I literally have to step out the door and go to work. I will be back to deal with this later this evening, and unless you three can work out your differences in that short time frame (unlikely, since you've had a month to work this out and still decided to act behind everyone else's backs) then I'm fixing it.

**Master Rudy** · 22nd June 2011, 04:05 AM

Well I guess we're simply going to have to wait on Heald on this one as this situation has gone from a situation that I thought was over and done with to one that's got me, MoP and Blade pissed at one another for one reason or another. That being said I do want to address a few things.

Blade you are saying that at least half the cast is having issues with me? Obviously I'm seeing the issues you and MoP are having. I can understand Bran having issues when we got things underway again but as far as I'm concerned/know those issues have been addressed and there have been no other issues between us in this RPG. What I want to know is this:

Who else aside from Blade/MoP is having a problem with me and why haven't you spoken up?

Yes I'm calling you guys out on this. If anyone else is having an issue then it's news to me as no one has said a word about it. How does one fix a problem is there don't know there's a problem to begin with? The bottom line is that if there is an issue then something needs to be said. If no one speaks up it's highly likely folks are going to assume everything is ok.

As for calling Shitagi a Mary Sue I'd say he's far from perfect. For one he has lost to Rothax badly on at least two occassions as well as potentially alienated Retasu. Yes I'll admit: I had him figure out Retasu was seeking the Dragon Balls for her own purposes once she started to exibit behaviors that started to clash with her character (which was even pointed on several occassions by Basawe mind you). However despite having a friendly nature I'm sure you've gathered that Shitagi doesn't exactly have people skills since he accused Retasu with no proof. All he had was word of mouth and a gut feeling to go on. I purposely left that paticular situation open so that Bran could either roll with it and come clean or come to start hating Shitagi (not that her character needed much motivation in that area since he's the heir from the "female side" of the family). In regards to Victoria she was introduced with the sole purpose of having her killed off as a way of showing Shitagi that the situation was extremely serious (not to mention giving him a personal stake in the battle). Finally Shitagi may be a bit of a gear head but so far you guys have only seen him with Earth technology. If he somehow gets himself onto Rothax's ship without turning into a snack he isn't going to know a damn thing about the ship (not to mention he's got that fear of mechanical flight). In the event we somehow get to a sequel (which to my eyes is looking sadly unlikely) then expect him to be totally out of his element if the action shifts to Planet Vegeta for any reason. Finally in regards to how good of a fighter he is has it not been clear that I've been hinting that he believes Basawe to be a better natural fighter? I've been hoping you'd pick up on it Blade but it seems that you haven't. I had actually been looking forward to having Basawe play Goku to my Vegeta and start surpassing Shitagi to the point where he's always one step ahead in training. Shitagi's reaction would have been playful and friendly at first but despite Shitagi's talk of power levels not being the most important thing I would have eventually been willing to work in the frustration aspect of being the prince but being weaker than someone else. Granted it wouldn't have been to the point of "I must kill Kakarot!" but it would have been obvious that he wasn't exactly happy at being surpassed.

Anyway let's just focus on getting this whole situation worked out for now. Normally I'd say let's keep it in PM's but this is starting to get to the point where I feel it's going to seriously start affecting everyone as well as the RPG itself if we can't come to terms that everyone will be happy with. Yes I know....Heald said he'd lay down the law so to speak but I know he's got a bit on his plate so I'd personally like to avoid throwing this into his lap if possible. Therefore let's actually use the lounge for it's purpose of discussing the RPG and figure something out.

According to you Blade apparently MoP is done with this if he doesn't get to kill Shitagi. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I've got no problems with Shitagi's death. What I do have a problem with is the way it's going down. When this RPG started I figured if anyone died it would be at the hands of Rothax, Shimuto or any of the other various named villian NPC's who have been shown to be good fighters (in fact had it not been for the fact that Zenkai came up in a discussion I would have thought for sure that Kura had bought the farm in the battle with Chita)

With all that being said do either of you have suggestions for moving things along that don't involve a character death at this point or what pretty much amounts to a rage quit?

**Bear** · 22nd June 2011, 10:13 AM

You people are fucking ridiculous. Really? Are we doing this now? Are we threatening to leave RPGs, report people, get people banned, etc because we're pissy over how someone posted with our character?

GET THE FUCK OVER IT

This petty bullshit has gone on long enough, and despite my best efforts to keep things civil, we are still bickering over minor qualms instead of devoting our energy to IC posts.

Rudy - This is FUCKING DRAGONBALL. You know damn well your character will be wished back eventually. Why don't you use this opportunity as a challenge to do something DIFFERENT with your character for a while and expand your writing skills rather than INCESSANTLY BITCH about things? Jesus tittyfucking Christ...

Blade - Getting involved with MoP in secret over Rudy's character was not the right thing to do. You should be adult enough to include Rudy in the conversation, and hash out your issues together rather than giving up and saying "we're tired of Rudy doing (x, y, z) so fuck it let's just do it this way. I don't care if you two have complete opposite opinions on what should/shouldn't happen, and I don't care that you two don't get along. You're both in your mid-twenties, and as such should be mature enough to respect each others' opinions.

Heald - Don't even waste your time getting involved with this. Exerting your GMfluence will only exacerbate the situation and polarize the RPers against each other. Blade and Rudy and MoP are not children, and you should not hold their hands as such and intervene in their problems. If they can't resolve their issues man-to-man, solving it FOR them will not garner any progress. In my opinion, this is one fight you should stay out of, because it will only end in your own frustration.

ANYWAY, I've already made an in-character post continuing the plot, and acknowledging Shitagi's death, and I am not prepared to edit said post. Shitagi is dead, Shitagi will be wished back later undoubtedly, DEAL THE FUCK WITH IT.

I apologize for the harshness of my post, but you guys left me with no other choice. This RPG is GOING SOMEWHERE, and I am not prepared to let it be destroyed by the most minute of trivialities. I love and respect each and every one of you equally, so try your best not to be offended by my post, and take it as a friend giving you constructive criticism. I am quite comfortable in my role as a big brother, so that is how I view things.

**Heald** · 22nd June 2011, 01:01 PM

Bear, I respect your input but when my PM inbox gets gradually filled up by requests to intervene, I am obliged to at least step in.

I'm not going to ret-con anything now, whilst I could, I am hoping that either MoP and Rudy can either come to some kind of agreement on this, or otherwise Rudy accepts that Shitagi is toast and re-evaluates his character's direction.

Blade, on the other hand, I am rather unhappy with a lot of what's been said.

For a start, you never once told me that MoP was going to leave the RPG, nor that the only thing that would keep him in it would be to let his character murder another player's character without that player's permission. If I was presented that ultimatum for ANY of my RPG's players, in any RPG, I'd show them the door, because there is no room for an ultimatum like that in any RPG.

Originally Posted by Blademaster

That being said, you probably wanna know WHY Shitagi was a prime candidate to die. The simple answer is that, in spite of what you think, Shitagi is a Mary Sue and his tl;dr power-trip posts are honestly NOT that fun to work with. Let's take a look at everyone active in the RPG and discuss their handicaps and strengths

This is not a good reason to kill off a character. If you felt so strongly about Rudy's character, you should raise it with him in the first instance and with me in the second, not take it upon yourself to convince another player to kill him off.

Character deaths are key-points of stories, and should be used to develop the plot, not used to get rid of characters you find annoying (which appears, in this case, to be largely the reason why you pushed MoP to pull the trigger).

Do you see the difference, Rudy? I know you mentioned before that Heald or I could slap some sense into you if you went too far before, but I'm not gonna stand idly by while Paradox gets hung from the gallows for giving a very annoying character what he has coming.

You find the character annoying Blade. I personally felt Shitagi was contributing a lot to the RPG. I admit that there have been some Mary-Sueish aspects to the characters, but I was content letting Shitagi be the Goku of the RPG, and I have always been telling Rudy (usually by PM) when to edit his posts, and likewise he has PMed me to okay certain ideas with me before he posts them. I also fail to see how Hammer saving Shitagi's ass counts as Paradox getting hung from the gallows.

Now I doubt the action taken here will be permanent. But I'd personally like it if it woke you up a bit and stopped the whole thought process going on in this thread of 'You RP your way and I'll RP mine and we'll all work everything out.' Because as you're hopefully now seeing, that 'working out' can come back and bite you in the ass if you don't heed other people's issues.

Sorry, but I fail to see how Rudy offering to meet MoP halfway, only for you to go behind everyone's backs and convince MoP to disregard everything said in this thread counts as 'working things out'.

Now if you'll excuse me, my macaroni is cold and I have a driving test tomorrow, so I'm out of here. I apologize for what happened to both you and Paradox, but I hope that when I get back here tomorrow I see good news. This shit is getting old.

And this is classic Blade. Blade, you created this 'shit' and now you're hoping everyone else fixes it whilst you eat cold macaroni and go off terrorising pedestrians.

Blade, you have not handed this well. Not only that, you have played favourites and you have worked towards creating divisions between players rather than trying to resolve them. The latter you have succeeded in doing. It is for this reason that I am no longer happy for you to take executive-level decisions any more for this RPG. Carry on as you are with Rothax's side, but everyone else I get the final say on if it is raised.

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Bear, as for your in-game post, please note that Kuji and Hammer are on their way to West City, if they are not there already (although it is planned they take a diversion to Chita's fight once that has been finished), either way, they will not be at the Lookout.

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MoP, I don't want you to leave this RPG, Van adds a great dimension to the characters and he would be missed, but any issues you have need to be resolved in the open in future. If Rudy is content to allow Shitagi to move onto the Spirit World, and some kind of plan is hashed out to bring him back (preferably in this RPG), then awesome. Either way, since the RPG is now picking up speed, the last thing I want to do is have to bring it back, but the final decision rests with you Rudy. I will never force any of my players to make such decisions about their characters without their input on the matter.

**Bear** · 22nd June 2011, 01:51 PM

Oh ok, I did not remember that they left the Lookout. I can edit my post a bit for continuity, but I still think I should make the Lookout my destination because taking a dead body and another unconscious one to West City, where a battle is raging, is the smartest idea. Perhaps Hammer could use that nifty little telepathy thing that Nameks use to talk to each other at key points in the story to ask Kuji and Furuto (I assumed you meant him but typed Hammer instead) to return to the Lookout? I'm not sure how you want it to progress, but just let me know so I know how to proceed with my next post. I'll edit my post a tiny bit to keep the consistency of Kuji not being at the Lookout at the moment.

As for the other stuff, I understand. May the force be with you!

**Blademaster** · 22nd June 2011, 02:00 PM

Well this isn't what I expected.

Originally Posted by Master Rudy

Finally in regards to how good of a fighter he is has it not been clear that I've been hinting that he believes Basawe to be a better natural fighter?

Evidently as clear as it's been that I've been hinting as to otherwise.

Originally Posted by Bear

Blade - Getting involved with MoP in secret over Rudy's character was not the right thing to do. You should be adult enough to include Rudy in the conversation, and hash out your issues together rather than giving up and saying "we're tired of Rudy doing (x, y, z) so fuck it let's just do it this way. I don't care if you two have complete opposite opinions on what should/shouldn't happen, and I don't care that you two don't get along. You're both in your mid-twenties, and as such should be mature enough to respect each others' opinions.

I agree and I apologize.