New revelations.

[MeLoVeGhOsTs]

According to Serebii, #641 in the new pokedex is going to be a pure flying legendary.

After all those fan-discussions and jokes, it's (perhaps) finally happening.

The new trio is going to be fighting, combined with Grass/Rock/Steel.

Also, yay for Bug/Steel legendary.

I definitly want the Drill Mole pokemon and the Sand Crocodile.

The starters don't have me convinced just yet, although the last evolution of the water-one is pretty badass.

Just wanted to bring up some discussion ^^

[Jeff]

Dragon/Ice Legendary! Sweet! I'd put money on it that that's the third version's box legendary. As soon as I heard the rumors that Zekrom was part Electric-type, I figured the three uber legendaries would form a Fire/Ice/Lightning combo. (That's actually what inspired my avatar).

As for the pure Flying type, this could end up like Chatot, where everyone thinks it's pure Flying but it ends up being Normal/Flying. Wooguru is Normal/Flying after all, so obviously that hasn't been retconned. Not that I'm doubting it completely, it could be possible that this is just a very special one-time thing, the sole exception to Flying always being the second type.

One more thing that was revealed recently that I think is worth mentioning is that Masuda confirmed that Isshu is indeed based on New York. I don't think anyone here was doubting it, but there were some people on other sites who were convinced it was based on the area around Shanhai, even as bits of evidence like Wooguru (the bald eagle), the Liberty Ticket, and the American football players, were revealed.

[Blademaster]

Can I have a link to this new Pokedex? I can't find it.

[DarkestLight]

Yeah, all the new stuff is pretty tight. Grass Snake is kinda bothering me, but I'm ready for that pure Flying type

[Jeff]

Can I have a link to this new Pokedex? I can't find it.

This was posted to Serebii's site:

* There are 156 new Pokémon within this generation; 153 within normal gameplay and further 3 event Pokémon (#647, #648 & #649) that will be distributed in a manner similar to Darkrai, Shaymin & Arceus in the previous generation
* In regards to a few numbers and details;
o #633 through #635 are a Dark/Dragon-type evolution chain
o #638 is a Steel/Fighting-type Legendary
o #639 is a Rock/Fighting-type Legendary
o #640 is a Grass/Fighting-type Legendary
o #641 is a Pure Flying-type Legendary
o #642 is an Electric/Flying-type Legendary
o Reshiram is to be #643
o Zekrom is to be #644
o #645 is a Ground/Flying-type Legendary
o #646 is a Dragon/Ice-type Legendary
o #647 is a Water/Fighting-type Event Legendary
o #648 is a Normal/Psychic-type Event Legendary
o #649 is a Bug/Steel-type Event Legendary
* In Hiun City, the boats will take you to various islands.

It probably comes from whatever source gave him the English names of the Gen 4 pokemon before the release of DP, which I'm sure he can't reveal.

[DarkestLight]

Dark/Dragon! YES I WANT~

[Blademaster]

Bug and Fighting type Legendaries at long last? I am pleased.

All that's missing now is a Poison type Legendary and the entire gamut will be complete.

[Mr. Brightside]

The Bug legendary is very intriguing but i'm rather concerned about the flying one. Pure flying screams weakness to me, it won't even be able to avoid ghost attacks. Hopefull i will be proven wrong.

Still disappointed by the final evolutions of the starters. Mijumaru cutie should have stayed a bipedal some sort of samurai/otter, not a sea lion/otter/samurai crossover! Not to mention that the fire pig is once again partially fighting! So annoying! Hopefull Tsutarja and Mijumaru's 3rd evolutions will have some interesting combinations.

Now about the freaking afro Tauros wannabe! What the hell is with that thing?! It looks like it came right out from a disco club. I swear,, if we can upload our own songs into musicals i'm gonna have them along with Sijinka's winter form evolution dancing to "I will survive" XD

[DarkestLight]

uhhh 12 legends :O. Hrm. Bug legend Ok.

Fighting trio. Nice.

Yeah just poison is left. How strange that the last Legend is the crappiest offensive type ever.

156 new ones. What's that bring us to? 649? Ha 1 shy of 650. Craaaziness.

I got 156 more names to memorize. Whoode doo daday

[Poryhedron]

The Bug legendary is very intriguing but i'm rather concerned about the flying one. Pure flying screams weakness to me, it won't even be able to avoid ghost attacks. Hopefull i will be proven wrong.

A pure Flying-type takes 2x damage from:
Electric, Ice, Rock

A pure Flying-type takes ½x damage from:
Bug, Fighting, Grass

A pure Flying-type takes 0x damage from:
Ground

...seems...pretty balanced to me? Although I suppose I'll concede that Bug and Grass aren't the most frequent metagame threats...

Now about the freaking afro Tauros wannabe! What the hell is with that thing?! It looks like it came right out from a disco club. I swear,, if we can upload our own songs into musicals i'm gonna have them along with Sijinka's winter form evolution dancing to "I will survive" XD

Black/White is set in the pokémon universe version of America, so there are pokémon based on American animals. We've already seen the city-dwelling pigeon and the bald eagle; now meet the American Bison.

[Mew Master]

Dragon/Dark and Dragon/Ice? Damn them Dragons are getting harder to kill. And I agree with DL: DO WANT!

I'm hoping for a release of new Fossil PKMN from America, since hell, it's taking place around NYC (you can't tell me that big city dunnit look like Manhattan Island), and you guys have the AMNH right there. Keeping my fingers crossed for a T-Rex based Fossil Poke.

Well, it's three more days till release date, then you figure another 3 before we get an idea of what all is in the games. Hmm... Better go pre-order my versions now while I have the chance. Wonder what kind of give-away they'll do.

Even wonder if NA's gonna get a version of this "Pokemon Dream World Poll" Doubtful, since the NA branch are kinda pricks.

Still, the NA themed PKMN are lookin kinda awesome. Any Bear-based ones besides Ursaring I wonder? Or wolves? Eh, we'll find out.

[DarkestLight]

Yeah or Roadrunners, and kangaroo rats and OMG WOLVERINES! I WANNNT!

[Mew Master]

Didn't we get wolverines with Typhlosion?

[DarkestLight]

Is THAT what he was supposed to be? I was just thinking really large weasel/badger (granted they're in the same family, but..eww no)

[Mew Master]

Or did you want Logan from X-Men?

[Blademaster]

Cyndaquil was based off an echidna, not a wolverine.

Also, Dragons are getting EASIER to kill, not harder. Dark/Dragon and Ice/Dragon both have 4 weaknesses, one of which that they both share is Fighting weakness. Makes Focus Blast a lot more deadly all of a sudden. Not that it really needed any help.

[Mew Master]

I said Typhlosion, not Cyndaquil. Learn 2 Read.

[Blademaster]

Then it's based more on a bear, according to Bulbapedia. So YOU learn to read, rock polisher.

[Mew Master]

You sure you're not reading Ursaring?

Origin

The appearance of this Pokémon is based on a badger or wolverine.

Typhlosion

[Blademaster]

Missed that part. But under Physiology, it DOES say "Typhlosion has a somewhat bearlike physique." Guess we're both right. Again.

[Mew Master]

Aren't badger's Wolverines, and bears all int he Ursid group? Or are Badgers in Mustelidaie? I didn't pay much attention in Higher Verts.

EDIT: Actually badgers and wolverines are in Mustelidae, and both Mustelidae and Ursidae are in Carnivoria

[Poryhedron]

Also, Dragons are getting EASIER to kill, not harder. Dark/Dragon and Ice/Dragon both have 4 weaknesses, one of which that they both share is Fighting weakness. Makes Focus Blast a lot more deadly all of a sudden. Not that it really needed any help.

True, they have 4 weaknesses including fighting...but now there are a greater number of final-evo or standalone dragons that don't die if an Ice-type looks at them funny, and there's even a fourth (albeit yet another Legend) dragon that isn't weak to Ice at all. People are actually going to have to use their brains against dragons now.

[Blademaster]

I dunno, Pory... Every Dragon there is except for Kingdra and a few Legendaries has a final form that is double-raped by Ice Pokemon. The only exceptions now are the BW Dragon line and the Legendary Fire and Ice Dragons.

Fighting, Rock, and Ice attacks are their bane(s). NONE of these types are poorly represented (Stone Edge, Ice Beam, and Focu Blast, wassup.), and they're all easy to find on any team.

At the most, these new Dragons are gonna be a temporary roadblock unless their versatility and/or stats gives them godly Garchomp powers.

[Mew Master]

Well the Dark/Dragon line is more than likely a pseudo-Legendary like Salamance, Dragonite, Tyranitar, and Garchomp..

[Blademaster]

Exactly. So we'll have a very strong Dark/Dragon with 4 weaknesses (Fighting, Rock, and Steel = dirt-common, plus Dragon) compared to his brethren who have 2 or 3 weaknesses (rare Dragon, plus Rock and Ice).

And yes I'm discounting Tyranitar because he's not a Dragon and I'm pretty sure everyone else in the group slaps his shit and sticks "Kick Me" signs on his back spikes.

[Mew Master]

Um... where are you getting Steal and Rock being x2 against Dark OR Dragon?

Bug and Fighting are x2 Against Dark, but Steel and Rock aren't.

Dragon is weak against Ice and Dragon, and is only 1/2 Effective against Steel if used as an offensive attack. Same if Dark is used as an offensive attack, it's only 1/2 as effective.

Wouldn't the actual Weaknesses be: Ice, Dragon, Bug, and Fighting?

Though I've seen some PKMN with really odd Resistances and Effectiveness. Like why aren't Ground Types Resistant to Fire?

[DarkestLight]

Um... where are you getting Steal and Rock being x2 against Dark OR Dragon?

Bug and Fighting are x2 Against Dark, but Steel and Rock aren't.

Dragon is weak against Ice and Dragon, and is only 1/2 Effective against Steel if used as an offensive attack. Same if Dark is used as an offensive attack, it's only 1/2 as effective.

Wouldn't the actual Weaknesses be: Ice, Dragon, Bug, and Fighting?

Though I've seen some PKMN with really odd Resistances and Effectiveness. Like why aren't Ground Types Resistant to Fire?

He was referring to Ice/Drg weaknesses there, since Drk/Drg weaknesses are Ice, Fgt, Bug and Drg.

[Mew Master]

Actually he wasn't.

Exactly. So we'll have a very strong Dark/Dragon with 4 weaknesses (Fighting, Rock, and Steel = dirt-common, plus Dragon) compared to his brethren who have 2 or 3 weaknesses (rare Dragon, plus Rock and Ice).

[DarkestLight]

Edited post. Yeah he swapped the two around :O.

[Mew Master]

But he was talking about a Dark/Dragon weaknesses.

[Jeff]

This list has been going around Bulbagarden, I've seen it posted by a couple different people, so I don't know who started it, but I do know that it's based on leaks by Melkor of Pokeexperto. Supposedly Melkor got the info right for some pokemon before they were even revealed, so it seems pretty legit.

This covers every single Pokemon, so big giant freaking spoiler for those who don't want to see it.

(Spoiler:)
494/000 - Victini (Psychic/Fire)
495/001 - Tsutarja (Grass)
496/002 - Jyanobii (Grass)
497/003 - Tsutarja 2 (Grass)
498/004 - Pokabu (Fire)
499/005 - Chaobuu (Fire/Fighting)
500/006 - Pokabu 2 (Fire/Fighting)
501/007 - Mijumaru (Water)
502/008 - Futachimaru (Water)
503/009 - Mijumaru 2 (Water)
504/010 - Minezumi (Normal)
505/011 - Miruhoggu (Normal)
506/012 - Yorterrie (Normal)
507/013 - new dog evo (Normal)
508/014 - new dog evo 2 (Normal)
509/015 - Choroneko (Dark)
510/016 - panther-like evo (Dark)
511/017 - Yanappu (Grass)
512/018 - Yanappu evo (Grass)
513/019 - Buoppu (Fire)
514/020 - Buoppu evo (Fire)
515/021 - Hiyappu (Water)
516/022 - Hiyappu evo (Water)
517/023 - Munna (Psychic)
518/024 - Musharna (Psychic)
519/025 - Mamepato (Normal/Flying)
520/026 - Hatoopoo (Normal/Flying)
521/027 - Hatoopoo evo (Normal/Flying) apparently has a second forme
522/028 - Shimama (Electric)
523/029 - Shimama evo (Electric)
524/030 - Dangoro (Rock)
525/031 - Gigaiasu 2nd stage (Rock)
526/032 - Gigaiasu (Rock)
527/033 - Koromori (Psychic/Flying)
528/034 - Koromori evo (Psychic/Flying)
529/035 - Morguryuu (Ground)
530/036 - Doryuuzu (Ground/Steel)
531/037 - Tabunne (Normal)
532/038 - wood plank holder (Fighting)
533/039 - iron girder holder (Fighting) evo
534/040 - concrete block holder (Fighting) 2nd evo
535/041 - tadpole (Water)
536/042 - tadpole evo (Water/Ground)
537/043 - frog (Water/Ground)
538/044 - Judo Pokemon (Fighting)
539/045 - Judo Pokemon evo (Fighting)
540/046 - Kurumiru (Bug/Grass)
541/047 - Kurumiru evo (Bug/Grass)
542/048 - Phylliidae (Bug/Grass)
543/049 - centipede (Bug/Poison)
544/050 - centipede cocoon stage (Bug/Poison)
545/051 - Escolopendra (Bug/Poison)
546/052 - Monmen (Grass) -Black only-
547/053 - Monmen evo (Grass) -Black only-
548/054 - Churine (Grass) -White only-
549/055 - Churine evo (Grass) -White only-
550/056 - Basurao (Water) two formes
551/057 - Meguroko (Ground/Dark)
552/058 - Meguroko evo (Ground/Dark)
553/059 - Meguroko 2nd evo (Ground/Dark)
554/060 - Darumakka (Fire)
555/061 - Hihidaruma (Fire) + second forme (Fire/Psychic)
556/062 - Cactus (Grass)
557/063 - Hermit crab (Bug/Rock)
558/064 - Hermit crab evo (Bug/Rock)
559/065 - yellow lizard (Dark/Fighting)
560/066 - yellow lizard evo (Dark/Fighting)
561/067 - flying mask (Psychic/Flying)
562/068 - Desukan prevo (Ghost)
563/069 - Desukan (Ghost)
564/070 - Archelon fossil (Rock/Water)
565/071 - Archelon fossil evo (Rock/Water)
566/072 - Archaeopteryx fossil (Rock/Flying)
567/073 - Archaeopteryx fossil evo (Rock/Flying)
568/074 - garbage bag Pokemon (Poison)
569/075 - garbage bag Pokemon evo (Poison)
570/076 - Zorua (Dark)
571/077 - Zoroark (Dark)
572/078 - Chillarmy (Normal)
573/079 - Chillarmy evo (Normal)
574/080 - Gochiruzeru pre-prevo (Psychic) -Black only-
575/081 - Gochiruzeru prevo (Psychic) -Black only-
576/082 - Gochiruzeru (Psychic) -Black only-
577/083 - Rankurusu pre-prevo (Psychic) -White only-
578/084 - Rankurusu prevo (Psychic) -White only-
579/085 - Rankurusu (Psychic) -White only-
580/086 - Swana prevo (Water/Flying)
581/087 - Swana (Water/Flying)
582/088 - Ice cream ball (Ice)
583/089 - Ice cream ball evo (Ice)
584/090 - Ice cream cone (Ice)
585/091 - Shikijika (Normal/Grass)
586/092 - Mebukijika (Normal/Grass)
587/093 - Emonga (Electric/Flying)
588/094 - scarab (Bug)
589/095 - scarab evo (Bug/Steel)
590/096 - Tamgetake (Grass/Poison)
591/097 - Tamgetake evo (Grass/Poison)
592/098 - blue jellyfish (Water/Ghost) has another pink forme
593/099 - blue jellyfish evo (Water/Ghost)
594/100 - Mamanbou (Water)
595/101 - Denchura prevo (Electric/Bug)
596/102 - Denchura (Electric/Bug)
597/103 - metal ball (Grass/Steel)
598/104 - metal ball evo (Grass/Steel)
599/105 - Gear (Steel)
600/106 - Gear evo (Steel)
601/107 - Gear evo 2 (Steel)
602/108 - white fish (Electric)
603/109 - lamprey (Electric)
604/110 - big lamprey (Electric)
605/111 - alien (Psychic)
606/112 - UFO alien (Psychic)
607/113 - candle (Fire/Ghost)
608/114 - lantern (Fire/Ghost)
609/115 - sconce (Fire/Ghost)
610/116 - Kibago (Dragon)
611/117 - Kibago evo (Dragon)
612/118 - Ononkusu (Dragon)
613/119 - Polar cub (Ice)
614/120 - Polar bear (Ice)
615/121 - Ice mirror (Ice)
616/122 - clam (Bug)
617/123 - ninja clam (Bug)
618/124 - marbled electric ray (Ground/Electric)
619/125 - monk warrior (Fighting)
620/126 - monk warrior evo (Fighting)
621/127 -
622/128 -
623/139 -
624/130 -
625/131 -
626/132 -
627/133 -
628/134 -
629/135 -
630/136 -
631/137 -
632/138 -
633/139 - Pseudo legendary (Dark/Dragon)
634/140 - Pseudo legendary evo(Dark/Dragon)
635/141 - Pseudo legendary 2nd evo (Dark/Dragon)
636/142 - (Bug/Fire)
637/143 - (Bug Fire) evo
638/144 - musketeer legendary (Steel/Fighting)
639/145 - musketeer legendary (Rock/Fighting)
640/146 - musketeer legendary (Grass/Fighting)
641/147 - raijin legendary (Flying)
642/148 - raijin legendary (Electric/Flying)
643/149 - Reshiram (Dragon/Fire)
644/150 - Zekrom (Dragon/Electric)
645/151 - raijin legendary (Ground/Flying)
646/152 - 3rd dragon legendary (Dragon/Ice)
647/153 - event legendary (Water/Fighting)
648/154 - event legendary (Normal/Psychic) + alternate forme (Normal/Fighting)
649/155 - event legendary (Bug/Steel)


- Wargle prevo (Normal/Flying) - Wargle (Normal/Flying) - Steel/Dark + evo - spider (Bug/Steel) - Buffalon (normal) - Fire type anteater - Ground/Ghost + evo - 2 Dark Vultures - standalone Dragon

[Mew Master]

Wow... this... is gonna be interesting.

[Blademaster]

I was referring to the Ice/Dragon, yes. That was my mistake. Regardless, Dark/Dragon is still 4 weaknesses. So I don't think these guys will be tougher than, say, Garchomp or Salamence unless they have Swiss army knife attack compatibility or stats of 10 million in every field.

[DarkestLight]

That list had only two things of interest. Lizard Fighting/Dark..and Steel/Drk

Im looking forward tho what this Gen has

Oh and wtf Archaeopteryx and Archleon? A bird and a turtle? Hey Denz, why does the American fossils gotta be Eastern World Fossils, while the fossils all before were found in Western World? Wtf is up with that?

[Mew Master]

Allow me to be the first to say, on the matter of the Archaeopteryx Pokemon:

...

BOUT DAMN TIME!

[Jeff]

One thing that threw me on that list is that Zorua and Zorark are in the middle of the dex as if they were normal pokemon, even though they're supposed to be event only. Makes me think that we'll be able to breed them just like any other pokemon.

[Mew Master]

Well, they're probably the Gen V equivalent of Lucario. He was thought to be a Legendary but turned out to be a Regular Poke. Perhaps it is indeed the same with the Illusion Fox Pokemon.

[Blademaster]

Maybe the POKEDEX ENTRY is an illusion as well...

[Mew Master]

The Cake is a LIE!

Ahem... scuse me..

[Rossymore]

Shouldn't that be ice cream cone.

That can't seriously be in there.