2003 Summer Awards - Input Please!

[Andrew]

http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/sh...threadid=11079

Ummm, yeah, Summer Awards... its summer in the Northern Hemisphere... and your input is a good idea, tell us what you want different, what you think would be a better idea, and possible categories and stuff... And did you like the voting system?

Oh well, thanks!

[Chris 2.1]

erm.....do you want input here or not? ^_^;;;


Ok, I dont know (or can't remember) what went like who in the Northern Winter awards (Southern Summer technically), but I don't think people should vote for their own fics....that's lame-o :-/

Erm.....and suggesting catagories...

Best Poem

Funniest twist on a Pokemon Stereotype (Ie: Pokemon characteristics. SilverMachop will win this....lol)

erm...

That's all i can think of for now, but more soon when my brain kicks in....

[Tyler and Hobbes]

I'm just writing the first things that come to my head.

Most Wittiest character

Best quote

that's my two cents

[Mindprobe]

Lemme see...

Categories:

Best Fiction Overall

Most Humoristic Fiction

Best Female Character

Best Male Character

Best Non-Human Character

Best Plot and Storyline

Best Villian

Best Quality Fiction (Describing)

Most Realistic Fiction

(Allready mentioned:)

Best Poem

Funniest Twist On A Pokemon Stereotype

Most Wittiest Character

Best Quote

Voting & Nominees:

Three or four nominees from different categories are chosen by a jury. Formed by 3 or 4 people chosen by the mods. The amount of jury members should accorde to the amount of nominees. Each member of the jury, puts one nominee on a category. When the nominees are chosen, the list is put in some place, where people can see it and then vote for them. The jury member can't put a fic of their own on a category.

Voting:

People send a PM to somone, i.e. OzAndrew. The sender can't vote anymore than one nominee from one category, and they are not allowed to vote on their own fictions. The subject should be, Summer Awards voting, or something like that.

[The Decapitated Mole]

I agree that people shouldn't be able to vote for their own fics, but I think that they should be able to nominate their own.

Also: Suggested categories:

I think that the awards should be split into two categories: Fanfics and Member awards

fic awards:

Best overall
Best Detail
Best Overall
Best Trainer
Best Non-Pokémon
Best Dark
Best Non-trainer pokémon [don't know what to call it]
Best Comedy
Best male character
Best male character in a leading role
best female character
best female character in a leading role
best rival
Best Plot
Best Romance
Best new fic
Best Sci-fi
Best Action

Member Awards:

Best writer
Best new writer
Best character based on a board member
Oddest Writer
Most sadistic writer
Most dedicated writer



There are more, but I'm tired of typing and thinking at the moment. Later.

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jimm
Most Dedicated Reader

Best new writer

[dratinihaunter13]

the summer/winter awards never allowed self-voting in the first place.
I think I remember a request for Best Title after the last awards show.

[Powarun]

Um feels nervous posting in important topics.

Character most willing to seek revenge, you know like um a person that gets shot and tries to get the other person shot by great leghths.

I also think that these are good ideas, and I do have a question how do you pick what fics, I mean are you guys going to be looking on every page and reading every fan fic, or how is this decided.

[Mewfour]

Somethign else I think I should add, no nominating "old" fics for categories like "Best character" You don't see a classic like Gone with the Wind winning any more Emmys, now do you?

Also, please allow self-nominations. Self-voting is pretty pointless actually, otherwise, we'd all just vote for ourselves. Self nominating, however, is a different bag of beans completely. How about a maximum amount of self noms? Two? Three?

[Kohdok]

Best Male Villian
Best Female Villian
Best Non-Human Villian
Best Comedic Villain
Best Serious Villain
Best Supporting Pokemon
Best Evil Motto
Best Evil Organization
Best New Pokemon
Most Cliches

[Chris 2.1]

Ok...ummmmm.....


Funniest Gym Leader in a trainer fic

Most unique city in a fanfic

Best Newcomer to the boards



How come when I get good idea's i'm never online? AND how come when I come online I forget my ideas? >__<

[mistysakura]

Best Plot Twist
Most original character
Best cliffhanger
That's all I can think of so far.

[dratinihaunter13]

Originally posted by Mewfour
Somethign else I think I should add, no nominating "old" fics for categories like "Best character" You don't see a classic like Gone with the Wind winning any more Emmys, now do you?

good point. how do we determine "old" fics from new fics though? the best way i can think of is the fic must be on the board at the time of nomination. i'm down with that as long as not too many members have a problem with it.

Also, please allow self-nominations. Self-voting is pretty pointless actually, otherwise, we'd all just vote for ourselves. Self nominating, however, is a different bag of beans completely. How about a maximum amount of self noms? Two? Three?

i don't know. i mean, if a fic is truly regarded as "good", it will be nominated by someone. self-nomination could make for some real out-of-place nominees (no offense to anyone). i just don't see the point of self-nomination, when banning self-nomination helps narrow the field down to appreciated fics from other members.

and dang if we accept all these categories we will have WAY too many come awards time

[Otto=ottO]

I posted a fic for a friend, can I nominate it? I mean he is a member here, but when no one 'cept me read his fic, he kinda got discouraged.

"Most unread fic" is a good category, I mean people are lucky if they get a reader. Although, who would vote for them if they haven't read the fic? So maybe "The fic most desperate for Readers" That one can be self-nomination. I don't mind myself volunteering to make sure these fics need readers. Then, it can be a sort of ad for them or something. Blatent ad topics are all good, but some major topic like this will help them out a lot. No matter how good fics are, they still need to be read to be appreciated.

[Mystic Latios]

Ummmm....

Most Promising Fic (Best Uncompleted)
Fic of the Year (Best Completed)
Best Plot Twist
Most Original Fanfic
Most Humoristic Character

That's all I could think of so far.

[Iveechan]

How about best unfinished fic?

[Last Exile]

Best Stupid Plot Twist
Best Stupid Incident
Best Idiot Character
Best Mornoic Quote
Best Tool (as in for those who intentionally write toolish stuff!) XD
Best Stuff-up by a character
Best no-we-didn't-wan't-that-to-happen! incident in a fic
Best fic in the Northern Hemisphere
Best fic in the Southern Hemisphere
Best fic in the USA
Best fic in the UK
Best fic in Europe
Best fic in Asia
Best fic in South America
Best fic in Africa
Best fic in Australia
Best fic in Adelaide, South Australia! XD j/k


They're my suggestions.

[Vex 47]

About the best unfinished fic and best completed fic deal. I don't think that best unfinished fic and best finished fic awards are needed. If a fic is good and is running along smoothly I feel that it should still be able to be voted for as best overall fic. I mean, good writing is still good writing whether or not it's completed. That's just my two cents.

[ThePhenom]

Who nominates/votes for the people for each category?

I'd shed a tear if I got any kind of nomination. ;o

[Meganium]

I agree with other people I think a catagory like Most Promising Fic is a good one.

I would to shed a tear if anyone nominated me, but thats out of the question.

[SilverMachop]

Best Pokémon Battle Scene
Best Job At Fooling The Readers
Best Character Over-All
Best Pokémon Character Over-All

Murray the Evil Skull Award (Most Evil Character)
Guybrush Threepwood Award (Most Clueless but Still Reliable Character, like Ash is)
Crow T. Robot Award (Best Smart-Aleck Character)
Jackie Chan Award (Pokémon Character That Fights Best)
"Weird Al" Yankovic Award (Best Story That Is Generally Strange and Funny)
Yoda Award (Most Wise Character)
Sherlock Holmes Award (Story With The Biggest Mystery)
The Awards Award (Author That Won The Most Awards)

[Potato Dude]

If I finish in time, I've got a shot at that Weird Al award.

[Cyndaquil7]

Prolly repeating some but who cares

Best Pokemon Battle
Best New Writer
Best New Fic
Best Gym Leader

[mr_pikachu]

About the idea of having a small jury make the nominations, I'd like to make a little analogy (courtesy of the US government). When we're deciding a really big thing, i.e. the President, anyone in the country can vote (in this case anyone on the Fanfic forum). However, when you're deciding really minor details about specific laws, THEN you have a small group of representatives. Do you understand what I'm saying? I just mean that everyone who participates on this forum should be able to participate in all parts of the voting process.

Think about this, too: Some fics get a lot of readers, but those readers aren't necessarily the most well-known people on the forum. Under the jury system, those fics would never be nominated. 'Nuff said. Thanks.

[ThePhenom]

I agree with mr pikachu. Just because a lot of people don't read your fic doesn't mean it can't be one of the best on the forum.

[mistysakura]

Can I add my opinion that what is classified as an "old" fic ie. no more best character awards should have been around since the last summer awards. A year seems like a good cutoff point for old and new, especially with fanfics since lots of new ones pop up.
EDIT: For completed fic awards, I also think that they should have at least one chance for the award. What I meant above was for "Best main character" etc. And, maybe it would be okay to nominate stuff in "Old fics", if what you are nominating for didn't exist in the last winter awards. I mean, for things like "Best quote" and "Best supporting character", new items can pop up at any time in the fic, unlike "Best Villian" (unless your villian doesn't stay the same person throughout the fic). It would be unfair if there were some excellent things which could never get awards just because their fic is classified as "old".

[mr_pikachu]

Okay, this is the second time I've replied to this in a 24 hour period, but I feel the need to share another opinion, this time about the "old fic" classification. I feel that after completion, a fic should have one final shot at awards before becoming known as "old". As we know, writers don't have too much control about when a fic ends, they usually just go with the flow. So a fic may end immediately after an awards competition. If we used a time-limit based system that fic, worthy as it my be, would never have a chance at the "completed fic" awards. Thus, my suggestion. Feel free to disagree, as I admit there are many different perspectives to consider.

[The Decapitated Mole]

Yeah, but what if the fic was completed a while ago, and is being reposted?

Also, about self-nomination. I think it should be allowed because if your fic is not that well known, and you nominate it, it may get some people to read it and possibly like it, because if your fic isn't that well-known or widely read, then it would hardly have a chance at being nominated.

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jimm

[Captain Pringle]

Self-nomination should definitely NOT be allowed. If it were, many people would just vote for their own fics, which serves no real purpose. It's much better to have people nominating each other's stories that they feel are worthy of recognition. That's why the rule has always been in place (at least for every Awards I've seen).

[The Decapitated Mole]

But what I'm saying is that self-nomination should be allowed, so that if your fic is good, yet doesn't have many readers, it will probably not get nominated, even if it is worthy of an award. If it's nominated, you may get people to check it out, and perhaps vote for it. I'm saying that self-nomination should be allowed. Self-voting shouldn't.

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jimm

[Captain Pringle]

In most cases (I know there are exceptions), a good fic will have readers, at least a few. And even though it may not be the most popular fic on the board, those few readers will know that it's a really great fic, and it's up to them to go nominate it.

Like I said, with self-nominations allowed, we'd have almost everybody nominating their own fics. And though that might help some well-written yet unpopular fic to get the recognition it deserves, it would also allow Joe Newbie to come along, post chapter 1 of his "I woke up late and went to Professor Tree's lab and they were out of pokemon but wait there's a pikachu!" fic, and then nominate it for an award.

As you said, "If it's nominated, you may get people to check it out." If self-nominations were allowed, some people (like Joe Newbie up there) might use the awards as a way to get some cheap advertising in for their fic, and it would just get messy... in my opinion. ^_^

[Chris 2.1]

I agree with CP, I saw that on the first board I was ever on, it was like 'I'd like to vote for MY fic! Joeys adventures in Kanto and Jhohto (early days ^^) with Pichu' and it sucked.

Oh well. It shouldn't be allowed, because Joey Newbie would say 'I voted a Kajillion times and nowi won go andcheck out my fic its greyt' and we'd need our N00b-busting guns ^^

Oh, is voting PM or in-topic?

[The Decapitated Mole]

Most likely the voting will be PM like it always has.

Also, I agree that people should not be able to vote for themselves. But they should be able to nominate themselves. Because if, like CP said, a newbie just uses it for advertising of his fic, then if the fic is any good, and therefore deserving of an award, it may get one, but if it is crappy, as CP said, then even if it got people to read it, if it's that bad, it wouldn't get any votes and would therefore not win an award, and have no effect on anything.

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jimm

[Gavin Luper]

No, self-nomination is not allowed and never will be. I agree with Captain Pringle, and besides, that rule has always stood.

Oh, and about that 'old' fic thing: a fiction is classified as an 'old' one if it has been running for more than a year i think. That means it was posted more than one year ago, is still current, and is not yet completed.

Cheers!

[The Decapitated Mole]

But why? Just because it hasn't been allowed in the past, does that mean that it can't happen now? I think I've come up with reasonable answers to the problems that have been posted with self-nominations, so if you can come up with a problem that is a good solid reason why self-nomination can't be allowed, I'll leave it alone. But I have yet to see one in this topic.

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jimm

[Gavin Luper]

You sound really ignorant, TDM, but I'll answer you anyway. As someone (I think it was CP) said earlier, if a fic is good enough, the readers will nominate it for a category. If you don't get nominated, that shows that your fic isn't the greatest in the world. The Awards are all about the reader's interpretations and beliefs, not the writers; and more often than not, self-nomination is used to the point of no control, and there's no real way of distinguishing the good self-nominations from the bad ones. Also, with the preferential voting system used these days, it would be further injustice.

So, there you go ... hopefully there's enough evidence in there to make you understand why there has never been self-nominations allowed in the Summer and Winter Awards, and why there probably never will be.

[mr_pikachu]

Hmm. Hey Gavin, can I clarify something?

Let's make a scenario. A year from now, my fic, What Dreams Are Made Of, is still running. (btw, I started a few months ago) Therefore, even if it is still active, is it not eligible for any awards at that point? (I understand that it would be eligible up to that point.) I'm just a little confused, since I thought that any active fic could win awards.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question!

[The Decapitated Mole]

Yeh, I was wondering about what you said there as well...

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jimm

[Gavin Luper]

I didn't say anything like that ...

I said that once your fic has been going for more than a year, it is eligible for the 'oldtime fic' award. But of course it is still eligible for any other award ... you were confusing yourself!

Cheers!

[mr_pikachu]

Okay, thanks for making that clear, Gavin. I was unsure of what you meant, and that's why I asked. Thanks, that helped clear some things up for me.

[RJdude]

Here's what I think about the whole old fic/new fic thing.

I think a fic can be nominated as many times as possible until after the first time it is nominated after the fic is finished, then it can no longer be nominated.

For example, let's say little Johnny's fic, A Pokemon Journey, is nominated for several awards, but by the time it is nominated, it has not been completed. A Pokemon Journey can therefore be nominated again in the winter. But if A Pokemon Journey is finished before the nominations for the winter awards are announced, then it can not be nominated in the following summer awards, and no awards after that period. However, if A Pokemon Journey is not finished by the winter awards, then it can still be nominated in the following summer. And of course, if A Pokemon Journey is finished by it's first summer award, it can no longer be nominated after that.

I know someone has probably said this before, but oh well.


And here are some catergories I think might be good:

- Best Fanfic (duh)
- Best Genre fic (Trainer, romance, science fiction, comedy, etc..., by the way, those are each differnt awards)
- Best main male character (meaning the best male character the fic is based around. If the Pokemon anime was a fic, then Ash would be the only one that could be nominated for this)
- Best main female character
- Best suporting male character
- Best suporting female character
- Best Chapter
- Best Relationship
- Biggest Plot Twist
- Funnest fic
- Most original fic
- Most promising fic (If A Pokemon Journey is not finished by its first summer awards, it can be nominated for this, but it can't be nominated any other time)

Well, those are just some of my ideas.

Edit: And aother thing: no self nomination or voting. I think the nominations should be picked by a group of five to six people who are trusted fic readers, and have read pretty much every fic, or at least most of them.