The Muffin Man wrote:
But now...Look at what it has been reduced to! Constant pushed back releases
An interesting statement, considering that it's our policy to NEVER give a release date in the first place. Why? Because of statements like that one. It's done when it's done, we're coding as fast as we can.
(wasn't RS Netbattle coming out LONG before 9.what is it...5?),
Hmm, someone hasn't been reading the forums. Let me give you the lowdown. Originally, 0.9.0 was supposed to be the advance release. However, when we saw the amount of work that still needed to be done on GSC, (bug fixes, necessary new features, security holes, etc), we decided to break it up and release earlier due to the massive problems with 0.8.45. 0.9.1 and 0.9.2 were tiny releases to fix specific bugs that just got missed when testing. 0.9.3, .4, and .5... do not exist yet idiot. -_-
bugs galore(you'd think they'd have worked a BIT harder on finding bugs...)
You know, we've got this whole category called "Bug Reports" on our forums devoted for that purpose. Imagine that! However, I don't recall a single report from anyone named "The Muffin Man"... Also, as Vinny so kindly pointed out, the few remaining bugs in 0.9.2 are small potatoes compared to the ultra b0rkage levels of the previous version. We've come quite a ways, but you might have missed that.
and absolutely no real enthusiasm to go out and make it the best they can.
That statement is SO wrong I don't even know where to go with it. If you think we're just going to leave NB the way it is forever (like GSbot was), you're painfully wrong. Yeah, okay, we're not releasing a new version every single day, but that's because we have lives! Granted, I pride myself as having the tiniest life possible, but I AM a senior in high school, and there is such a thing as homework. I can't program 24/7, so you'll just have to be patient.
It's really gotten to the point where it seems the guys over at Netbattles programming team have really given up competing with RSBot, but just being happy when it's all done and out there.
Ah, a very common misconception. Now. I want you and everyone else who thinks this to read my post very, very, very carefully: WE ARE NOT COMPETEING WITH RSBOT. We aren't, we don't intend to, and we never have been. Heck, Ian started NetBattle before he even knew GSbot existed! The deal is, they've been around for nearly twice as long as we have. When Ruby/Sapp was released, their GSC mode was already perfect, so Fanha jumped on it right away. Us, we were still working on our GSC mode. We knew from the start that there was absolutely no possible way that we could get our Ruby/Sapp version out before theirs because we still had bugs to work out with our existing system! I'll say it again: We're not competing with them. As you said, we're just being happy when it's all done and out there.
Hell, it's like they don't even care if it's COMPLETE! Just as long as something is out there! With all these fixes, bug fixes, etc., you'd think it'd be ready. Guess again.
Don't care you say? I beg to differ. As pathetic as it may be, programming NetBattle is my LIFE. Every day I strive to make it a better program, and I don't appreciate people like you who take it at face value, see a few minor bugs, and assume the whole program is trash. Our GSC mode IS ready. Most of the bugs discovered are either with RBY Mode or are so minor that they couldn't possibly have a constant impact on the battling community. That doesn't mean we'll just leave them their, of course they will be fixed. But right now, programming NetBattle Ruby/Sapp takes priority over teensy tiny GSC bugs.
It really looks like they just want it DONE, not done right. So my question to all of you, including Masa:
Has Netbattle just become some big joke? Not just compared to RSBot, but in general. Do the programmers honestly dare call themselves "programmers"? Do they even EVER hope to do this as some sort of real job(Programming, not Pokemon Battle programs)? Perhaps they should get used to doing it right the FIRST time, only letting bugs that snuck by go, until they're found.
I think Mana covered this point nicely. NO program is perfect the first time around. There will always be patches, fixes, new versions, etc. for all programs. However, what you're saying is that we're just letting them sit there forever and not giving a damn. Ignorant fool.