I'm not buying Colosseum.

[Razola]

But why!? WHY!?!?

It's simple, Timmy, Nintendo has got to stop abusing the fans. We pokemon fans are apparently not a bright lot: Nintendo keeps a quality pokemon RPG on the big console from us for years; it's to the point were we get excited when the game features throwing pokeballs.

What's really great is how desperate we are. Stop kidding yourself: we're no getting a real RPG with colosseum. I've read enough reviews and previews to see that this is nothing more than the standard fare we've had in the two Stadiums. The only difference is there's a plot and some minor walking between battles. There's cut scenes for travel between towns. That is NOT an RPG, people.

I've had enough. I've tolerated Snaps, Pikachus, and the worst Channel ever to get an RPG, and it's a halfassed effort. No more. Nintendo will get my money when I start to see some real effort in the new pokemon games. I want the same quality games that franchises like Metroid and Mario get.

I demand quality from Pokemon. Don't be a blind fan: demand the same.

[Mewton2]

And we care.... why? They ain't abusing us. They ain't makin' us buy the game. And do we really NEED a full rpg thing?

[The Muffin Man]

A company producing something that makes money? Perish the thought!


Get off the soap box, Raz. You're gonna buy it eventually. Or are you going to stop buying all Nintendo games? And clothes. All companies do is give you the same thing every time. 2 arm holes, a head hole, and some sort of cloth. Pssh. I'm tired of that! I want THREE arm holes! And food? *Burns a dollar*Here's a buck the farmers won't get until they stop making ALL their beef products taste like beef!


...See how ridiculous it sounds now?

[Animelee]

I am pleased with Colosseum, and the only reason I am getting it is because it's a Pokémon game (blind fanboy syndrome). Seriously, Raz, one person not purchasing the game won't make a difference, so you're probably one of few on this decision.

The game isn't that bad. My friend from Germany imported the Japanese version, and he sent me many videos of the gameplay - it's pretty decent.

I suggest you download all of the videos!: http://filb.greenchu.de/colosseum.php

[Powarun]

Its your loss not mine, I got mine preordered. You see, I don't really care about the graphics, or story, I care about the game play. At least for pokemon anyway. Besides it is better than Staduim. As for Nintendo's other franchises they are classics, Pokemon is still new, game wise. I know you know the N's other big top games, like Metriod, Mario and Zelda, and their ground breaking games, but those have an apeal to all ages pokemon on the other hand was a huge fad that little tikes ran into, so Nintendo is treating pokemon 2nd class knowing that little kids will buy Coliseum. But remember it is the die hard fans that keep sereis of games going.

[Mewton2]

Raz, if you can't come up with a plausible reason for this post I WILL EAT YOUR HEAD!!! or at least try...

[Razola]

ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED

Originally posted by Mewton2
And we care.... why?

Because I'm Raz. That's like...a few notches below Jesus (or a similar equivalent). You should not only be caring care, but be writing this done as well.

Originally posted by The Muffin Man
Get off the soap box, Raz. You're gonna buy it eventually.

Maybe for twenty or thirty bucks, but not for fifty dollars.

Or are you going to stop buying all Nintendo games?

Wow, awesome argument! Pokemon Games as of late are average to sub-par. Other games like Metroid or Zelda are excellent. Did you even read my post? Nintendo can do better with the pokemon franchise.

And clothes. All companies do is give you the same thing every time. 2 arm holes, a head hole, and some sort of cloth.

You must be poor, so this may be a shock. Some clothes are made very well. Some companies give me crappy material that is itchy. Some are very thin or not well put together, so they rip in a matter of weeks. I'll let you off easy on this one, since you obviously are having a tough time in this economy and must not be aware of a thing called "quality."

Pssh. I'm tired of that! I want THREE arm holes! And food? *Burns a dollar*Here's a buck the farmers won't get until they stop making ALL their beef products taste like beef!

I'm going to donate more money this year to charity. I just can't stand to see people who don't realize that there is something better than grade C eggs or crappy tasting cereal. There's a word for how well things are made. Sure, they may be similar in design, but there's a difference in how good it tastes, feels, or lasts.

Enough sarcasm, TMM? Arm and head holes is MINIMUM QUALITY. You make like the bare minimum, but I demand more from my favorite developer.

Originally posted by Animlee
Seriously, Raz, one person not purchasing the game won't make a difference, so you're probably one of few on this decision.

Isn't that a self-defeating statement?

"One person can't make a difference, so don't try at all!"

So you are buying it because one person can't make a difference? The whole purpose of this thread is to at least try to spur change.

Originally posted by Mewton2
Raz, if you can't come up with a plausible reason for this post I WILL EAT YOUR HEAD!!! or at least try...

Pokemon is slowly declining in quality, but not sales. Nintendo manages this partially by depriving us of things that they could have done.

We haven't had a true Pokemon RPG on the consoles. Ever. So when we get a very, very poor (compared to the excellent Gold and Silver versions) RPG and the fans eat it up because Nintendo acts like this is a big deal.

We shouldn't be yelling "Yay, Nintendo!", we should be asking, "Why not sooner, and why not better, Nintendo?"

[classy_cat18]

Um, Raz? I know we all want a real Pokemon RPG for the Gamecube, but there's a problem about that. The company's still targeting little kids. Kids that enjoy playing Nickelodeon games. *shudders at thought of little cousin playing Spongebob Squarepants* Kids that don't know the quality games that came out long ago. What I'm trying to say is, they're still trying to rope in new gamers that have not played the Pokemon games. They don't know what the earlier games were like. They don't know what they're missing out on. Nintendo will only change their strategy when they get some complaint from the little ones.

[GreenShirT]

And if it is like the 2 stadium games, big deal. They rocked and I have no doubt this will too.

[Sceptile_Master]

Raz pokemon games aren't declining in quality. The rpg is an mini of such its not the main part of the game its just so you can stinge a few new berrys and pokemon. And there is nothing wrong with that. About Nintendo ripping us off. Each one of these games are worth owning on their own but also complement each other greatly. Its what Ninty do best (take pokemon, golden sun etc). Well you don't buy it. I will just sit here enjoying my self with Colleseum. But my advice is to get it fast.

[Don't Run With Scizors]

Raz, if I played Pokémon simply for its RPG aspect, I'd have given up on it æons ago. Metroid and Zelda receive more attention and care because they're supposed to be RPGs that can keep an individual occupied for hours on end. But the RPG aspect of Pokémon pretty much exists to complement the main aspect of the game - competitive battling with other human players - and do little more than that. Quite frankly, I'm glad the RPG in Colosseum isn't so sophisticated. I don't want to have to go to all that trouble and take all that time just to earn all the vital TMs and Pokémon that I want to train.

Anyway, I'd like to hear your ideas on what might qualify as a quality Pokémon RPG. Or, at the very least, draw a funny picture.

[Mewton2]

Thats not a plausible reason. Answer it this way: would you rather complain untill they place an rpg in front of you on a silver platter or would you rather become creative and work together with other creative fans to create your own, done the way you want? Think of it this way: this shortage of an RPG does wonders for the creative intelligence of the more mature fans.

[Mewton2]

I'm DOING the later. Well, its crappy NOW but soon

[Ultimate Pikachu]

First of all, this thread it pointless. No one cares. If you don't want to buy it, then don't. You don't need to tell everyone. It's your loss.

Second of all, the main points of Pokémon is battling. Its not supposed to be a full-fledged RPG like other franchises. You want too many RPGs. The main point of Colosseum is to get some of the GSC Pokémon we couldn't get before, not to be an RPG.

[Razola]

Originally posted by classy_cat18
Nintendo will only change their strategy when they get some complaint from the little ones.

Truth. Spread the word to the little ones! Demand better product!

Originally posted by Green Shirt
And if it is like the 2 stadium games, big deal. They rocked and I have no doubt this will too.

Stadium 1 wasn't bad, but it's getting old. It's just a pimped-out battle tower at this point. And I think the graphics this time around just aren't pushing the machine like they did on the Nintendo 64.

Originally posted by Sceptile_Master
Raz pokemon games aren't declining in quality.

Yes they are. When we jumped from the "Colors" to the "Metals," we got more pokemon, time-based events, items, and some new types. A bit more than an expansion's set worth of content. Very nice. Ruby/Sapphire added a very boring beauty contest, and a 2 on 2 system that seems rushed in development. We lost the time-based elements for the most part, got no real graphical boost, and actually lost pokemon. It was a decent game, but Gold and Silver easily top it.

The rpg is an mini of such its not the main part of the game

What are you talking about? Pokemon's an rpg. Half the fun is exploring the world while catching and building up a pokemon team. Colosseum doesn't give us the full experience.

its just so you can stinge a few new berrys and pokemon.

Read above.

And there is nothing wrong with that. About Nintendo ripping us off. Each one of these games are worth owning on their own but also complement each other greatly.

Yeah, to fatten Nintendo's wallet. We get deprived of pokemon in the "Gem" editions, so we can buy their Gamecube game and two remakes. This would be fine if the games were worth it, but they're getting old.

[quote]Its what Ninty do best (take pokemon, golden sun etc). Well you don't buy it. I will just sit here enjoying my self with Colleseum. But my advice is to get it fast.[quote]
I'll wait until it's very cheap. It's a endless stream of battles we've been doing for years now.

Originally posted by Don't Run With Scizors
Raz, if I played Pokémon simply for its RPG aspect, I'd have given up on it æons ago. Metroid and Zelda receive more attention and care because they're supposed to be RPGs that can keep an individual occupied for hours on end.

And Pokemon is simply incapable of doing this?

But the RPG aspect of Pokémon pretty much exists to complement the main aspect of the game - competitive battling with other human players - and do little more than that.

The current engine, you mean. Nintendo can always update or change the very standard pokemon engine to something that offers both epic quest and multiplayer fun.

Quite frankly, I'm glad the RPG in Colosseum isn't so sophisticated. I don't want to have to go to all that trouble and take all that time just to earn all the vital TMs and Pokémon that I want to train.

If the AI was beefed up, I'd might understand. But If it's even close to the Pokemon norm, then I'd go to the online 'bots.

Anyway, I'd like to hear your ideas on what might qualify as a quality Pokémon RPG. Or, at the very least, draw a funny picture.

It's not that difficult: just give us what we hand on the GBA. Just more. A better storyline (Colosseum, to which I will give credit, is on the right track in that aspect) harder opponents, and some really big twists to the basic engine. I could go into more wildly differing types of gameplay, but this plan would suffice.

Originally posted by Mewton2
That's not a plausible reason.

This is a pokemon fansite, isn't it? I care about the health and lifespan of the franchise, and thus will voice my dissappoint with the current direction. Sorry if whining about a character's skirt length seems to be lower priority topic to me.

Answer it this way: would you rather complain untill they place an rpg in front of you on a silver platter or would you rather become creative and work together with other creative fans to create your own, done the way you want?

Complain until I get my RPG. I am a CUSTOMER, not a slave to their whims. I am paying them to make games for me. They want my money, and thus should listen to what I and others have to say. If I don't like, I won't buy it.

It's a stupid choice anyway, If I wanted my own RPG, I would've gone out and started researching and working on it. But I'm not interesting in programming and that line of work, so of course I'm going to want them to make it for me. Sorry if I want it to be good.

Think of it this way: this shortage of an RPG does wonders for the creative intelligence of the more mature fans.

First off, I can't make a pokemon RPG, smart guy, it's copyrighted. Furthermore, the shortage, if anything, means less people may be inspired to make one. If all the good RPGS went away, then all future generations woukd have for a standard is crappy RPGs. This may turn them off. It could go either way.

I'm DOING the later. Well, its crappy NOW but soon

Awesome double post, dude. Edit button much?

And I'm not interesting in making games. I can't make whatever I don't like. I'd be a cook, writer, programmer, actor, and much more if that were the case.

Originally posted by Ultimate Pikachu
First of all, this thread it pointless. No one cares. If you don't want to buy it, then don't. You don't need to tell everyone. It's your loss.

Read the post, eh? A strong title gets the views and responses. You should not give a damn if I'm buying or not, but why. Discuss that.

Second of all, the main points of Pokémon is battling. It's not supposed to be a full-fledged RPG like other franchises.

It's about catching and building a team of pokemon. Battling is one of many points. Otherwise, there wouldn't be pokecrap like Snap or Channel.

You want too many RPGs.

You want too much battling. Whoa, stalemate.

The main point of Colosseum is to get some of the GSC Pokémon we couldn't get before, not to be an RPG.

Thanks for proving my point.

Like I said, Nintendo is depriving us and then tries to spin it so we're excited when they finally deliver. "WHEE! Gold and Silver Pokemon! OMG, THANKS NINTENDO!"

An attitude that helps Nintendo make money for product below their normal quality.

[Mewton2]

Wait a little, go buy Leaf or Fire, get Ruby and Sapphire Plates, get Deoxy/Lugia/Ho-Oh, be happy. You get all your oldies back, plus the bonus of catching the Virus

[The Gremlin]

One reason we have not seen a fully fledge pokemon RPG on the consoles as they are not powerful enough yet to hold the whole pokemon whole.

Nintendo ARE the best game maker in the world and they will make a pokemon RPG but on when the console is powerful enough to contain over 300 pokemon (however many there are by then), over 8 modeled cities/towns (more if there want to include kanto,johto,hoenn), animations for god knows how many attacks, lots of 3d people, a day/night system and Nintendo will wanna pull this off with good graphic.

The Gamecube is a great system but even that cannot pull this off, not without cuting back on the graphics and Nintendo have a policy of if you can't do it right don't do it at all.

i will be getting collessuem, it offers a new way to catch pokemon and battle on gamecube is amazing.

[Sceptile_Master]

Raz i read your quotes

What are you on about at first when we heard about colleseum we all thought it would just be like the stadium versions. With that in mind i bet you would have bought it (even though you will denie this). So they give us a little extra and you start to complain. The game is called pokemon COLLESEUM. I wonder if that means the RPG aspect is the main part of the game (i am being sarcastic). This proves that the rpg aspect isn't the main part of the game, even though your just going to quote that line and give an absolutely bollocks reason ( sorry if i am not aloud to say that i don't know). Ninty even said it was a side thingy. Well at least thats what all the mags say. If they were going to make a pokemon rpg on the cube then it wouldn't have the colleseum aspect. It is the only way they could pull it off. The only thing that dissapoints me about Colleseum is that they have taken out the mini games. Back when Stadium 1 had just came out my dad liked the mini games so much ( even though he dosen't play gmaes consoles) that he bought me an extra conroller. But anyways it is still a quality piece of hard ware FULL STOP.

[The Gremlin]

Hehehe my Mum and Dad liked the pokemon stadium 2 mini games.

My Mum like the logcutter with scyther and pinsir.

and my Dad like the Eager Eevee game where they run to the middle.

Some good points aswell mr sceptile

[Mewton2]

Pokemon Minigames=Parent Traps

[VirtualPlay]

I just have to say this...

Raz, you're an idiot.

*ahem* anyway...

You started out by saying that Colosseum was supposed to be an RPG. IT WAS NOT. Colosseum was originally designed to be the GameCube version of Stadium. They just had extra graphics to burn, so they added walking around instead of selecting your destination with a menu.

"Throwing Pokéballs"? Pfeh, I'm not excited about them, I've been expecting them ever since Ru/Sa had them. It's just a really cool graphical feature that Stadium almost had, except they didn't make trainer sprites (they had the Pokéballs flying, though).

And I agree, to a degree, about there not being a Pokémon RPG because it won't fit. That's where we take a lesson from a fine company called Square and make two (or more) discs. The worlds in the PSX FF games were so huge because they had the extra room on those extra discs. Heck, even Chrono Cross with it's 2 discs had a world larger in size than any single Pokémon RPG, while still having quite a numerous amount of creatures to battle. (It even had a stadium-like place, if you please.) Heck, I wouldn't be totally surprised if they were already developing something like this.

And Pokémon is selling better than Mario or Metroid simply because of the other branches it has. The animé, the TCG, the manga...all of that stuff makes people see Pokémon and want even more of that. The Mario TV show or comic books I haven't seen in ages, and I never even saw Samus with anything like that. That's (kind of, but not exactly) like asking why X-Men is more popular than Aqua Man. People just saw more to manipulate, so they worked with it and brought in more money.

In short: shut up Raz, you have no clue what you're talking about. *shuts his mouth before he starts a flame war*

[Zak]

Originally posted by VirtualPlay
I just have to say this...

Raz, you're an idiot.

*ahem* anyway...

You started out by saying that Colosseum was supposed to be an RPG. IT WAS NOT. Colosseum was originally designed to be the GameCube version of Stadium. They just had extra graphics to burn, so they added walking around instead of selecting your destination with a menu.

"Throwing Pokéballs"? Pfeh, I'm not excited about them, I've been expecting them ever since Ru/Sa had them. It's just a really cool graphical feature that Stadium almost had, except they didn't make trainer sprites (they had the Pokéballs flying, though).

And I agree, to a degree, about there not being a Pokémon RPG because it won't fit. That's where we take a lesson from a fine company called Square and make two (or more) discs. The worlds in the PSX FF games were so huge because they had the extra room on those extra discs. Heck, even Chrono Cross with it's 2 discs had a world larger in size than any single Pokémon RPG, while still having quite a numerous amount of creatures to battle. (It even had a stadium-like place, if you please.) Heck, I wouldn't be totally surprised if they were already developing something like this.

And Pokémon is selling better than Mario or Metroid simply because of the other branches it has. The animé, the TCG, the manga...all of that stuff makes people see Pokémon and want even more of that. The Mario TV show or comic books I haven't seen in ages, and I never even saw Samus with anything like that. That's (kind of, but not exactly) like asking why X-Men is more popular than Aqua Man. People just saw more to manipulate, so they worked with it and brought in more money.

In short: shut up Raz, you have no clue what you're talking about. *shuts his mouth before he starts a flame war*

Woah there... Mike, although I agree with what you said, you might wanna cool down a bit, cause I can say the same about you when you insult the Anime, AND bring up some good points.

Anyways, Raz, look on the bright side. Regardless of the quality of the game, how else are you gonna legally get some of the GSC Pokemon? Meh, that's pretty much the only reason I've been psyched for Colloseum lately, given that I don't even have a GameCube, so its not like I'd be getting it any time soon. If I had a GC, however, I'd definately get it, no question.

~Zak

[Kari and Mewtwo]

THe reason ive lost most, if not all of my interest in colluseum is the fact that nintendo had 3 years and countless chances to update the graphics. Did they? No, they didn't. They decided to keep the gay n64 graphics from the first 2 stadiums. Since colluseum isn't a remake, this isn't going to fly. THis can pass with Ocarina of Time, since its both a remake of an n64 Zelda AND is one of the best Zeldas out there. Colluseum is an all new game, and DESERVES to use the cube's full potential. But it doesn't. Hell, the trainers look WAY too blocky to be even considered on a cube game. Colluseum can pass as an n64 game, but in no chance in hell will it succeed as a game for the GCN.

Hence, I've lost all interest in Colluseum. Nintendo has failed me, and thus will not be getting my $60 that easily.

In layman's terms: Boycott Colluseum

[Mewton2]

If ya wanna complain about graphics, go play Animal Crossing. Be happy with what you get, or you don't get anything.

[Kokomo]

Originally posted by The Gremlin
One reason we have not seen a fully fledge pokemon RPG on the consoles as they are not powerful enough yet to hold the whole pokemon whole.

Nintendo ARE the best game maker in the world and they will make a pokemon RPG but on when the console is powerful enough to contain over 300 pokemon (however many there are by then), over 8 modeled cities/towns (more if there want to include kanto,johto,hoenn), animations for god knows how many attacks, lots of 3d people, a day/night system and Nintendo will wanna pull this off with good graphic.

The Gamecube is a great system but even that cannot pull this off, not without cuting back on the graphics and Nintendo have a policy of if you can't do it right don't do it at all.

i will be getting collessuem, it offers a new way to catch pokemon and battle on gamecube is amazing.

You really have no idea how wrong you are. They could have easily made a game with all of the pokemon and with better graphics than what they put in Pokemon Coloseum. Making up reasons to why the game doesn't have everything we'd like isn't going to do you any good.

Personally, I plan on picking up Pokemon Coloseum. I think it looks to be pretty fun. I know what it could be, but that doesn't really seem to bother me.

[Legends-Kuja]

Originally posted by Raz
Because I'm Raz. That's like...a few notches below Jesus (or a similar equivalent). You should not only be caring, but be writing this down as well.

You have just been sigged, buddy. Won't forget those lines for the next few years, no sireee!

I'm not getting Colliseum, mostly because I don't have a Gamecube anymore. For the most part, all I've got is a GBA. GO SONIC ADVANCE 3 AND KINGDOM HEARTS: CHAIN OF MEMORIES!!

[The Muffin Man]

Originally posted by Don't Run With Scizors
Raz, if I played Pokémon simply for its RPG aspect, I'd have given up on it æons ago.
~Eons.

Metroid and Zelda receive more attention and care because they're supposed to be RPGs
~Metroids action/adventure if anything else. Not at all an RPG.
that can keep an individual occupied for hours on end. But the RPG aspect of Pokémon pretty much exists to complement the main aspect of the game - competitive battling with other human players - and do little more than that. Quite frankly, I'm glad the RPG in Colosseum isn't so sophisticated. I don't want to have to go to all that trouble and take all that time just to earn all the vital TMs and Pokémon that I want to train.
~Because where's the fun in playing the game at all?

Anyway, I'd like to hear your ideas on what might qualify as a quality Pokémon RPG. Or, at the very least, draw a funny picture.

[ShockingAlberto]

Well, one thing. Games like Final Fantasy VII-IX didn't necessarily require three-four discs for the entire game. The same game is on all of the discs, the only thing that's different is the FMV sequences. When the game asks you to put in a new disc, you could just as easily put in any other disc until it hits a FMV sequence.

Also, it's not necessarily a matter of system or disc limitations, but time and money. Even the mini-RPG in Colosseum required a lot of manpower (the developers complained about having to check every possible moveset, one of many). It's quite possible this game is just a test run for the development team. They're probably trying to see what they're capable of before they go out and try a full-fledged RPG.

If you're not going to buy it because it's not an attempt at making the best it can possibly be...well, you better not buy a lot of things. Microsoft had said their XBox was only a test run for the next generation. Better not buy it, then. Really, any food I eat could be cooked with more love...better not eat, then.

-- ShockingAlberto

[The Gremlin]

You really have no idea how wrong you are. They could have easily made a game with all of the pokemon and with better graphics than what they put in Pokemon Coloseum. Making up reasons to why the game doesn't have everything we'd like isn't going to do you any good.

Im sorry kokokokok.. whatever, but you are the one who is wrong.
I am in my final year of a computer games university course, i have studied the graphics of the GC, PS2 and X-BOX and unless nintendo release a pretty hefty expansion pack then there is no way they can fit all of the features that people want in their 3d pokemon RPG. Unless of course they use graphics from the N64 on the GC.

I am not slagging off pokemon colleseum, i know it will be great with a new way of catching pokemon with the snag feature, but i also know that a proper 3D pokemon RPG is not going to appear on a Gamecube because of the vastness of the actual pokemon world.

[Razola]

I reply because I care...

..seriously.

Originally posted by Mewton2
Wait a little, go buy Leaf or Fire, get Ruby and Sapphire Plates, get Deoxy/Lugia/Ho-Oh, be happy. You get all your oldies back, plus the bonus of catching the Virus.

So I should just ignore the problem. Is that what you're saying?

Originally posted by The Gremlin
One reason we have not seen a fully fledge pokemon RPG on the consoles as they are not powerful enough yet to hold the whole pokemon whole.

If Red/Blue can contain about 130~140 pokemon to be caught, surely the Gamecube can do the same.

Nintendo ARE the best game maker in the world and they will make a pokemon RPG but on when the console is powerful enough to contain over 300 pokemon (however many there are by then), over 8 modeled cities/towns (more if there want to include kanto,johto,hoenn), animations for god knows how many attacks, lots of 3d people, a day/night system and Nintendo will wanna pull this off with good graphic.

They didn't exactly pull off Colosseum with stellar graphics.

The Gamecube is a great system but even that cannot pull this off, not without cuting back on the graphics and Nintendo have a policy of if you can't do it right don't do it at all.

They why are they making Colosseum? This seems to be a lackluster effort compared to a true console pokemon RPG.

Originally posted by Sceptile_Master
What are you on about at first when we heard about colleseum we all thought it would just be like the stadium versions. With that in mind i bet you would have bought it (even though you will denie this).

When I saw the first colosseum screens, I was shocked. Not in a good way, mind you. The RPG mode, and the promise of perhaps better graphics as the game nears it's finish kept me firm in my decision to buy. But now, less than a week from release, it still looks pretty sub-par and the RPG mode is far from fully realized.

But who cares when I decided not to buy it? Or if I buy it at all? The point is why Nintendo refuses to go all-out with this franchise. Surely a sub-par Zelda or Mario game would do well, yet Nintendo did a good job with those franchise on the Cube. But I feel pokemon is getting th shaft.

So they give us a little extra and you start to complain.

Read my quotes? Because I already hit this. They drepived us of this for so long that we THINK it's a good extra. It really isn't. It's just putting a spin on things.

The game is called pokemon COLLESEUM.

Irrelevant. We can easily change it to "Pokemon: Grand Quest" or "Pokemon Diamond Adventure."

I wonder if that means the RPG aspect is the main part of the game (i am being sarcastic). This proves that the rpg aspect isn't the main part of the game, even though your just going to quote that line and give an absolutely bollocks reason ( sorry if i am not aloud to say that i don't know). Ninty even said it was a side thingy.

Nintendo Power spent more time covering the RPG mode than battle modes. Some side thingy. I've also heard people like Venusar call it a "30-hour" RPG. The Stadium bits must last forever!

Well at least thats what all the mags say. If they were going to make a pokemon rpg on the cube then it wouldn't have the colleseum aspect. It is the only way they could pull it off.

The name thing means little, and even then I still would question why Nintendo went with the Stadium route again.

The only thing that dissapoints me about Colleseum is that they have taken out the mini games. Back when Stadium 1 had just came out my dad liked the mini games so much ( even though he dosen't play gmaes consoles) that he bought me an extra conroller. But anyways it is still a quality piece of hard ware FULL STOP.

Software. Hardware is the controller. The Gamcube. Your memory card. Games are software.

Originally posted by VirtualPlay
I just have to say this...

Raz, you're an idiot.

It's going to be very ironic if your post is stupid.

You started out by saying that Colosseum was supposed to be an RPG. IT WAS NOT.

UH-OH. Wrongery at max, cap't. Colosseum can be whatever the hell it wants to be, but I think it would've best if it was scrapped for an RPG.

Colosseum was originally designed to be the GameCube version of Stadium.

You people need to learn one thing: I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS NOW. What I wnat is for Colosseum is to go away for a nice, fully fleshed adventure. Something fun to occur between battles, ya know?

I'm not arguing about what Colosseum is or was, but it what it should've been. Please keep this in mind, thanks.

They just had extra graphics to burn,

And didn't use them. How odd.

so they added walking around instead of selecting your destination with a menu.

So they gave us extra, unneeded work. Weirdness.

"Throwing Pokéballs"? Pfeh, I'm not excited about them, I've been expecting them ever since Ru/Sa had them. It's just a really cool graphical feature that Stadium almost had, except they didn't make trainer sprites (they had the Pokéballs flying, though).

I'm just posting what I sees.

And I agree, to a degree, about there not being a Pokémon RPG because it won't fit. That's where we take a lesson from a fine company called Square and make two (or more) discs. The worlds in the PSX FF games were so huge because they had the extra room on those extra discs. Heck, even Chrono Cross with it's 2 discs had a world larger in size than any single Pokémon RPG, while still having quite a numerous amount of creatures to battle. (It even had a stadium-like place, if you please.) Heck, I wouldn't be totally surprised if they were already developing something like this.

Oh, the spark of intelligent ideas! A solution rather than excuse! How refreshing.

The question for me is: Why didn't they do that now?

And Pokémon is selling better than Mario or Metroid simply because of the other branches it has. The animé, the TCG, the manga...all of that stuff makes people see Pokémon and want even more of that. The Mario TV show or comic books I haven't seen in ages, and I never even saw Samus with anything like that. That's (kind of, but not exactly) like asking why X-Men is more popular than Aqua Man. People just saw more to manipulate, so they worked with it and brought in more money.

So Nintendo is producing comparatively worse product because of this? That's just not professional in my eyes.

In short: shut up Raz, you have no clue what you're talking about. *shuts his mouth before he starts a flame war*

I like this post, it said some good things. You just need guidance.

Originally posted by Kari & Mewtwo
THe reason ive lost most, if not all of my interest in colluseum is the fact that nintendo had 3 years and countless chances to update the graphics. Did they? No, they didn't. They decided to keep the gay n64 graphics from the first 2 stadiums. Since colluseum isn't a remake, this isn't going to fly. THis can pass with Ocarina of Time, since its both a remake of an n64 Zelda AND is one of the best Zeldas out there. Colluseum is an all new game, and DESERVES to use the cube's full potential. But it doesn't. Hell, the trainers look WAY too blocky to be even considered on a cube game. Colluseum can pass as an n64 game, but in no chance in hell will it succeed as a game for the GCN.

Quoted for truth. You all read this, right?

In layman's terms: Boycott Collosseum

[Animelee]

NO WAY, I'M GAME FREAK/GENIUS SONORITY'S TOOL!

[HavoX]

tell me about it :P

[Sceptile_Master]

I have read your new quotes raz.

The name is not irrelavent it is just telling us that the colleseum mode is the main part. I can not wait any longer to see my team and especially my super rare shiny Tentacruel explode into 3D on the big screen. About the hardware thing, i only noticed until after but couldn't be bothered editing it. It is a worthy extension of a game once you have 202 on your dex (which I have) and a perfect level 100 team (which I almost have). I don't think they are trying to make us think it is too much of a good extra. Remember I said a little extra. Once I have stinged all the unobtainables on to my GBA-SP I will probably be investing all my time in the Colleseum mode. The Stadium route what are you on about acting like it is a bad thing. I have to go for my tea now but I am going to fight this out raz. FIGHT I TELLZ YAZ.

[Mewton2]

In order to create further maham, the rest of my post shall be in a dead language that isn't Latin! Guess the language and win a digital cupcake!:

Chem a' Raz. Ger. Sedjem 'n. Sdjm tw tsh, sdjm nai chem. Pokemon Colloseum nai nedjes RPG. Colloseum hena Ruby/Sapphire yew RPG. Rech? Nefer.

[Master Tony]

Hmm, I would have to agree with Raz and Kari & Mewtwo, this could've been MUCH better, espescially graphics-wise (anyone recall Starfox Adventures? Damn, dem's some good graphics! ) Although they aren't that important, it'd be cool to see Pokemon as they would look as real creatures. And a story that was GOOD would be a nice change, as well as some more control of the Pokemon in battle (y'know, move them around and stuff), character customization to some extent to balance the Trainers out (ever notice that there are almost NO fat people in the games?), and online play so that we (literally US here at TPM) could fight each other and test our teams out more effectively, no more "RMT PLZ!!!!!!11111!" crapola, and lastly, VOICE ACTING!

Despite the fact that I agree with these two whole-heartedly, I'm still gonna get the game. (several people fall over anime-style) It's just because I only have one friend who plays the game, he's a n00b, and he never wants to battle, so this is the only way I'll get to battle high-level teams.

[Razola]

Originally posted by Sceptile_Master
The name is not irrelavent it is just telling us that the colleseum mode is the main part.

My argument is that Nintendo went down the easy path with a Stadium engine. That makes the name pointless for the discussion. I care not what the name of the game is.

The Stadium route what are you on about acting like it is a bad thing.

It is the easy path. No real story, no overly complicated maps or things of this sort. Colosseum, in true pokemon tradition, as made a very tiny evolution, giving us a bit of story with our strong of battles.

[Kari and Mewtwo]

If nintendo was so desperate to make a GCN rpg, they shouldve done it as a separate disc. That way, thered be room for graphical improvement on BOTH aspects of colluseum: RPG and colluseum modes

[Ultimate Pikachu]

Originally posted by Kari & Mewtwo
If nintendo was so desperate to make a GCN rpg, they shouldve done it as a separate disc. That way, thered be room for graphical improvement on BOTH aspects of colluseum: RPG and colluseum modes

How do you know they wanted to make an RPG?

[Aninymouse]

Originally posted by Kari & Mewtwo
If nintendo was so desperate to make a GCN rpg, they shouldve done it as a separate disc. That way, thered be room for graphical improvement on BOTH aspects of colluseum: RPG and colluseum modes

You know, I agree with just about everything you've said, and some of what Raz is saying as well. I agree that Colusseum's graphical engine is miss-matched, that it feels like it could be much more. However... I am buying it. Why? I want something of more substance than the 2-D GB games. Just seeing Cradily or Steelix in 3-D makes me smile. I have Stadium 2, and you know, back in the GSC days I didn't play it all that much. However, I loved being able to plug some hard work from Silver into PS2 and see it in flashy, eye candy glory. I enjoyed fighting pokemon of high levels that used cheap tricks and weird attack types to throw me off, instead of the GB "trainers" who just sit there, so to speak.

I know Colusseum has major flaws, but they only seem unforgivable if you were expecting something on par with, say, Wind Waker. Wind Waker was close to perfect, but it was too short. Colusseum offers a sense of gratification to you, lots of bonus material to work with on the GBA, and MOST IMPORTANTLY in my opinion, the CHEAPEST way to trade between GBA pokemon games. That last one is DAMN important. I don't have any reason whatsoever to buy another GBA just so I can have a Machamp instead of a Machoke, for instance.

Now, I started to say that I didn't have expectations for this game on par with Tales of Symphonia or Final Fantasy 9, and here's why: I took one look at the main character with his snag arm outstretched... and upon seeing it over and over again as more of the game was developed, I knew straight away that this was going to be half a game.

Half a game. A tool. Stadium was always just a tool.

This time it's no different. This time, it's just more fun, and there's more incentive to beat everything. Pokemon Box was such a sad excuse for a release I almost felt angry. Box was essentially part of Colusseum sheared off and passed off as it's own tool title. The storage space wouldn't work with Colusseum's memory needs, but still...

Erm, I'm getting off topic. It can't be helped; back in "real world" I'm tired and exhausted. Here's my bottom line:

Ruby/Sapphire were okay. There was a lot of steps forward, but a lot backward as well. EGM said this, you know, except with more prejudice.

Fire/Leaf are near perfect. GSC's innovation was huge, but it had nothing resembling "game balance" or "replay value". I've beaten Yellow version more than 15 times, and I'm still not sick of it. The gameplay was more primitive, but superior in design. This in why Fire/Leaf are the real stars of the pokemon world: they combine the best of both worlds. To write them off just because they're remakes is to miss the point somewhat. I'm too tired to expound on this, but you either get it or you don't.

Colusseum is a tool used to enhance your enjoyment of these two sets of games, and nothing more. Therefore, for what it sets out to be, it's an 8.5 out of 10 in my book.



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When Nintendo is ready to make a GBA game on the GCN... it'll be shocking. They could've done it eons ago. And so, I leave you with one more paragraph...

Enjoy FL, buy PC if it suits your needs, keep RS around to get stuff on FL you cant otherwise and start bombarding Nintendo with letters describing in detail what sort of 3-D Pokemon RPG you wish to have developed. I will. I don't know what else to say, I'm goin to bed. I hope you realize I'm not trying to disagree with you, but that I'm just trying to get accross to you that Colusseum isn't a 3-D RPG, but a tool. Stadium 2 wasn't any 10/10, mind you. It's suplementary.

Thank you and good night, good sirs of Pokemasters.
God bless ya.

[Mewton2]

Ahk-Her, Aninymouse! Ahk-Her!