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[Mikachu Yukitatsu]

In before anybody Happy Birthday Oslo!

[Greyfox]

October's here, and some 23 years ago, so was Oslo. 2 points for him!

And C~Dub too, if he's even around.

[Oslo]

Aww yeah! Opium for all!

And don't forget about Mr. Madister. :3

[Perfect Chaos]

Don't forget Mr. Madister too

HAPPY BURFFFDAYYY OSLONESSSS! Hopefully its filled with drunk shenanigans and lots and lots of party-boying!

[firepokemon]

DarkestLight is losing all his points for forgetting people

[firepokemon]

And I now need my head shot for mixing Greyfox and DarkestLight up.

[DarkestLight]

fp loses all his points for confusing me with Grey Rotf...¬¬

[BTPoke]

Happy Birthday, Oslo! As a late birfday present, I'll tone it down a tiny bit when I battle you in the tourney ;3

[Ayeun]

Happy birthday Osloski! Lets make a gay/lesbian baby!

[RaZoR LeAf]

ASB Baby?

Happy Birthgay Oslo!

[Perfect Chaos]

Didn't we go through this already once before :O

[Ayeun]

Didn't we go through this already once before :O

Oslo's birthday? Yeah, we do it every year!

[Perfect Chaos]

I meant the ASB Baby thing...could've swore I saw it mentioned before and it also involved you two as well

[Oslo]

Yeah, Ayeun is desperate to baste her loins with my man gravy.

[Perfect Chaos]

Thank God it's not Thanksgiving...I probably would've never looked at turkey the same way again after hearing that

[ChobiChibi]

Happy birthday Oslo! Let's party

[Cynder]

Happy birthday Ozzie! xD

[Oslo]

I vote we celebrate my birthday with dry and fastidious discussion!

http://www.pokemasters.net/forums/sh...t=25251&page=3

Round 14 and below.

Discuss.

[Perfect Chaos]

Its the same thing with why Pikachu was able to activate water sprinklers to be able to Thundershock a ginormous Onix into submission

Anime physics = lolwut moments

[Cynder]

Yeah, that's supposedly the crucial difference: that Normal/Ground/Ghost/Steel/Dark-types have biological immunities to certain types whereas Flying-types possess their immunity by virtue of them simply not touching the ground. In that case, there's no reason for Flying-types (or Levitaters/Magnet Risers) to be immune to non-ground-based Ground-type moves such as, say, Mud-Slap or HP Ground... yet these moves inevitably "miss" Flying-type targets, even when said target isn't using an evasive maneuver (such as Fly). What's so special about a Mud-Slap or HP Ground that they should always miss Flying-type targets when Toxic or HP Water don't? Also, what if the Flying-type Pokemon is Sleeping or Frozen? Shouldn't it be susceptible to Earthquakes in such a condition? But I've never seen a Flying-type struck for Earthquake damage when it's Sleeping. (Mind you, it probably just hasn't come up, but I'd like to see how the ref would handle it.)

Anyway, I realize I'm probably overthinking this. I tend to do that. My point is that, IMO, it's a whole lot less messy to simply say that Flying-types possess the exact same sort of biological immunity that those other types possess. When a Flying-type is under the effects of Gravity/Smack Down/Roost, the Pokemon loses its ability to fly and, correlatively, it also loses its biological immunity to Ground-type moves. When a Flying-type is Digging, it does not lose the biological immunity. Slippery situation suddenly made a whole lot less slippery.

But of course, that still seems silly... because, as you point out, Mew's Charizard friggin' is under the ground and therefore touching it so it should still take some sort of damage from the violently shaking earth, right? Maybe I'll take that sort of thing into account in the future. I don't know. If I do, for consistency's sake, Dark-types should always take some sort of damage from Zen Headbutt (it's still being hit with a head! heads hurt!), Ground-types should always take some sort of damage from ThunderPunch (why shouldn't it do at least as much damage as Mega Punch, mirite?), Steel-types should still take some sort of damage from Poison Jab (but prolly not a lot), etc. Again, there are a hundred and one weird scenarios where immunities make no sense.

(Also, going back to the Tri-Attack/Gengar example... what is a Tri-Attack if not a Thunderbolt + Ice Beam + Flamethrower combo, just weakened a fair bit? This sort of combo would still hit Gengar, but Tri-Attack because of its Normal-typing does no damage. That's sort of the weirdness I was addressing. There are plenty of ways to rationalize this weirdness, of course, by saying Tri-Attack simply exudes Normal-type energy and that's just the way it is and there's no other explanation needed... but I'm just saying if we're operating within a framework that compels us to entertain this kind of weirdness, then an underground Charizard taking no damage from an Earthquake isn't that preposterous.)

Anyway.

Maybe this is a conversation for the chat thread?

In the case of moves like Poison Jab on steels and TPunch on ground types it would probably be better to ref them as normal type moves with a power compromisation, since the thunder part of the TPunch would be the main cause of damage, but there's always the inevitable impact of the punch which is going to do damage or at least sting a little from the blunt force. Not to forget that this is anime style battle, so everything should be a little more logic operated than in the games; where in the games making a certain number of moves that should normally have no effect on a Pokemon have an effect is confusing and difficult to judge, in ASB there is definitely a certain amount of human intervention involved so it's a case of 'would this do damage? Are there outside factors involved that are going to change the effect of this move? Would it logically hit? What is the base of the immunity? Biological or physical?' and working from there. I dunno, I think that sometimes immunities should be taken less literally and more like a rule of thumb for when in doubt. I don't see the problem of having them do damage when they really should. It may be messier this way, but far more logical and realistic, which is arguably the point of choosing ASB over in game battles.

[Oslo]

I'm fine if a ref interprets immunities that way. It is, like you said, more realistic. I'm also fine if a ref chooses not to, though, because we're working within a frame where realism often goes out the door. (Hey, I'm a Dratini who just Shed my Skin and now the lethal Poison circulating through my bloodstream isn't there anymore! Yippee!) Since the creatures we use are basically magic, I'm fine with certain wacky hijinks (like underground Charizards taking no Earthquake damage). The line has to be drawn somewhere; however, when it comes to the inherent wackiness of immunities, I'm fine with the ref choosing where exactly "somewhere" might be.

[Blademaster]

Yeah, that's supposedly the crucial difference: that Normal/Ground/Ghost/Steel/Dark-types have biological immunities to certain types whereas Flying-types possess their immunity by virtue of them simply not touching the ground. In that case, there's no reason for Flying-types (or Levitaters/Magnet Risers) to be immune to non-ground-based Ground-type moves such as, say, Mud-Slap or HP Ground... yet these moves inevitably "miss" Flying-type targets, even when said target isn't using an evasive maneuver (such as Fly). What's so special about a Mud-Slap or HP Ground that they should always miss Flying-type targets when Toxic or HP Water don't? Also, what if the Flying-type Pokemon is Sleeping or Frozen? Shouldn't it be susceptible to Earthquakes in such a condition? But I've never seen a Flying-type struck for Earthquake damage when it's Sleeping. (Mind you, it probably just hasn't come up, but I'd like to see how the ref would handle it.)

Anyway, I realize I'm probably overthinking this. I tend to do that. My point is that, IMO, it's a whole lot less messy to simply say that Flying-types possess the exact same sort of biological immunity that those other types possess. When a Flying-type is under the effects of Gravity/Smack Down/Roost, the Pokemon loses its ability to fly and, correlatively, it also loses its biological immunity to Ground-type moves. When a Flying-type is Digging, it does not lose the biological immunity. Slippery situation suddenly made a whole lot less slippery.

But of course, that still seems silly... because, as you point out, Mew's Charizard friggin' is under the ground and therefore touching it so it should still take some sort of damage from the violently shaking earth, right? Maybe I'll take that sort of thing into account in the future. I don't know. If I do, for consistency's sake, Dark-types should always take some sort of damage from Zen Headbutt (it's still being hit with a head! heads hurt!), Ground-types should always take some sort of damage from ThunderPunch (why shouldn't it do at least as much damage as Mega Punch, mirite?), Steel-types should still take some sort of damage from Poison Jab (but prolly not a lot), etc. Again, there are a hundred and one weird scenarios where immunities make no sense.

(Also, going back to the Tri-Attack/Gengar example... what is a Tri-Attack if not a Thunderbolt + Ice Beam + Flamethrower combo, just weakened a fair bit? This sort of combo would still hit Gengar, but Tri-Attack because of its Normal-typing does no damage. That's sort of the weirdness I was addressing. There are plenty of ways to rationalize this weirdness, of course, by saying Tri-Attack simply exudes Normal-type energy and that's just the way it is and there's no other explanation needed... but I'm just saying if we're operating within a framework that compels us to entertain this kind of weirdness, then an underground Charizard taking no damage from an Earthquake isn't that preposterous.)

Anyway.

Maybe this is a conversation for the chat thread?

Considering my stance on the infamous "AIM FOR THE HORN" debacle, it should come as no surprise that I support this. I hate how in the games type resistance allows you to outright defy the laws of energy conversation, Newtonian momentum, and thermodynamics. Personally I'd love it if type immunity ceased to exist altogether. Make moves like that do 1/4 or 1/8 damage; making it impossible for this to hurt this is just fucking stupid.

[DarkestLight]

First link works Blade, but it links to 15 BILLION photos...
and uhh....realism went out the door when you said Pokemon. LOL

Ok srs reply.

I'm in agreeance (and awe) about type resistances/nullifications/advantages/wahthaveyou. I never did get the whole "Flying type is underground, but E-quake still does not work" bananagans because it defies logic. And trust me, I've seen many an argument about why ground moves would not work(My favorite is the Nathan Petrelli principle).

[Oslo]

The first pic works for me. It's a big ass Groudon.

And now my desire for Groudon has been rekindled. D:

And trust me, I've seen many an argument about why ground moves would not work(My favorite is the Nathan Petrelli principle).

I'm in favour of just saying "they don't work because they don't work, lol, pogeys be crazy" and moving on. :3 But I get why that stance wouldn't necessarily appeal to anyone else.

[Perfect Chaos]

First before Mikachu?! SHENANIGANS!

Which is what the Chobster's birthday should be filled with. Happy birthday Bexxzorz!!

[Oslo]

Happy birthday, Becki! :3 Congratulations for having an early October birthday. They're kind of the greatest, right? Three cheers for being conceived on New Year's Eve! *slight cringe*

[Ash0011]

ahh yes I love birthdays just woke up and got 2 vanilla cupcakes for breakfast

[Cynder]

Happy birthday fellow English-person-with-a-birthday-in-October! xD

[Perfect Chaos]

Happy birthday to my Safari Ref-who's-there-but-not-really-and-thus-I'm-stuck-waiting-to-catch-a-glimpse-of-my-legendary-but-he's-still-pretty-awesome-so-it's-OK aka the NeitherWhiteNorBlackfox

You're allowed to not ref my adventure today since you should be out getting shitfaced and making bad decisions/awesome stories. I approve wholeheartedly

[ChobiChibi]

Just think, Oslo, our parents coulda been having sex at the same time to conceive us.

Ew, parental sex.

Happy birthday Grey! I hope awesomeness awaits you. Weird message, but let's roll with it XD

[Mikachu Yukitatsu]

Just think, Oslo, our parents coulda been having sex at the same time to conceive us.

lol

Oh yeah, and Happy Birthday Greyfox!

[Oslo]

Just think, Oslo, our parents coulda been having sex at the same time to conceive us.

Ew, parental sex.

But on a brighter note, happiest of birthing days to ye, fox-comma-Grey!

[RaZoR LeAf]

Happy Birthday to The Arbiter!

[DarkestLight]

Ditto.

[BTPoke]

Double Ditto

[Ash0011]

whew does everyone have october birthdays here?
cause mine was the 2nd and I got $100 and some computer parts (building my own)

[BTPoke]

eh. Mine's about a month late, being in november xD

[Ash0011]

not too far off then, so everyone has birthdays in the fall (pretty much)

[Rossymore]

Double Ditto

[BTPoke]

^I was thinking the exact same thing, but I was too lazy to copy/paste ditto sprites. xD