Final Fantasy

[Keyblader]

ah man i so cannot wait for final Fantasy 13 to come out, just wondering what everyone else thinks of the Final Fantasy games and what they think 13 will be like?

[Blademaster]

BEGONE WITH YOU.

[Crazy Elf Boy]

Now Blade play nice with new comers.

[ChobiChibi]

I hereby point Sie towards this topic! *wears a big foam hand*

I love Final Fantasy. Lots. But I kinda prefer Kingdom Hearts...

My fave game was 10. Loved Yuna and Tidus. I'm a hopeless romantic though, so not surprising ^^; I quite enjoyed the Crystal Chronicles on the DS, although I did get a liiiittle fustrated with it.

Infact, I find I get very fustrated with most FF games... I'm not cut out for level grinding XD

Also, just a tip, at the beginning of 12, if the monsters are a lot bigger than you, don't attack them. They hurt... A lot... >_>

[Blademaster]

Now Blade play nice with new comers.

If the newcomers have come to poison our dear forum further with their Squeenix fanaticistic filth, they shall receive NO MERCY.

[Houndoom_Lover]

Let's give them the benifit of the doubt...for now. But we'll keep an eye on you.

In other news: The Library computer keeps logging me out.

[Crazy Elf Boy]

I am not a big fan of Final Fantasy myself but you shouldn't be nasty to other people because of their beliefs.

[Master Rudy]

If the newcomers have come to poison our dear forum further with their Squeenix fanaticistic filth, they shall receive NO MERCY.

I've got no problems with new members wanting to talk about Final Fantasy. However I will agree with Blade on the fact that SE is a very evil company. The whole fiasco over the CT: Crimson Echos fan game that was being done by the Chrono Compendium/Kajar Labs is proof enough of that. However I'm more than happy to talk about pre-asshole Square (AKA the time it was a good company and called Squaresoft)

As far as FF goes I feel that 10 was the last decent one (not to mention the last one done prior to the SE merger.....hmmm.....imagine that). Going online is a mistake the series should have never done with 11. 12 was too much of a departure from the normal battle system. Hell walking into Wal-Mart a mere four months following release and seeing the game fully stocked and dropped to $19.99 without being on the PS2 GH list was enough of a warning sign to keep far away from it. While 13 itself looks good I will not be buying it. Even without the CE incident the series has been going downhill for far too long in my mind. As for 14 they are once again heading back to online. Personally I think SE should leave online to the big dogs in that market (Act-Bliz with WoW and the company that does CoH/V and Aion)

The best Final Fantasy in my mind will always be FF6. FF7 is a very close second place and despite many people not liking it I also enjoyed FF9 for going back to a more fantasy like setting. 9 and 10 are tied for third in my mind despite my issues with 10 being a very linear game. At this point I'll be honest. Due to declining quality in the series as well as my own issues with SE itself the only FF's I would ever buy new at this point would be PS3 remakes of FF6 or FF7. A sequel to FF7 based on Advent Children might also get a purchase out of me if the gameplay stayed true/close to the original FF7.

[Keyblader]

i am sorry to of offended anyone like, but i just like Final Fantasy and was looking to see what everyone else thought of it, i will agree that the last decent one was 10, but 12 wasnt really all that bad once u got into it.

thou FF7 is by far the best one made, and it has been down hill since the square-enix merger, and they really dont know what to do with the summoning magic, since ten it has been rubbish because of the new battling style, and i dont see what was wrong with the old one because it was what made the Final Fantasy game what it was.

oh and blademaster, isnt my fault u have no taste in good games, because final fantasy was the founders of RPGF games and the reason for the likes of World of Warcraft is because of the likes of FF6 and 7 which set new levels for RPG gaming so ha

[Houndoom_Lover]

I am not a big fan of Final Fantasy myself but you shouldn't be nasty to other people because of their beliefs.

When the hecky-heck did Final Fantasy become a religion? :O Because of their beliefs. What the heck, Elf Boy. I smell cults!

The Final Fantasy games give you high points when you use them in Monster Rancher!

[Master Rudy]

Final fantasy was the founders of RPGF games and the reason for the likes of World of Warcraft is because of the likes of FF6 and 7 which set new levels for RPG gaming so ha

Actually Key I'm about 99% certain that Dragon Quest/Warrior came first. When Squaresoft came up with the original concept of an RPG to compete with Enix the company was on the verge of failure. They came up with the name Final Fantasy due to the fact that if the game was not a success that it would have truely been Square's final game. Of course if you want to go further back than FF and DQ it's really D&D that all the modern RPG's should be thanking. Video games were just the natural evolution of the RPG concept.

In regards to SE not knowing what to do with FF it's no real surprise when you think about it. While Squaresoft employees are obviously still in the mix, the higher ups in the company are mainly made up of people who got their start with Enix. Because of that I'm actually more surprised that they haven't tried to do more with Dragon Quest. My bet is that they are mainly wanting to bank on the Final Fantasy name since it's the bigger worldwide seller. However as far as sales inside Japan itself go the Dragon Quest series has always outsold FF. They get so nuts about DQ that it's damn near a holiday when a new one is released. In fact some schools and companies even go so far as to close for a day if a new DQ is out

Setting aside my feelings for SE I will say this. Final Fantasy itself is still a good series. However they need to go back to the good old ATB battle system instead of all the tweaks they have come up with over the years. It's good to try new things but if you change something too much you run the risk of scaring some people off. Hell at the worse going back to FF10's battle system would also work. Save the real time stuff for the Mana series. As for the story I think they need to go back to a setting more along the lines of FF4 or 6. While I did like FF7 I do have to say some of the later games are starting to lean more towards futuristic with fantasy elements. FF needs to bring the actual fantasy back......hell it's in the title! :-/

[DivineAll]

I didn't get into the Final Fantasy series until I played Tactics Advance. Since I'm somewhat of a hardcore Nintendo fan, I pretty much stuck with the Nintendo versions of the FF series.
However, I've seen Let's Plays and videos of the Playstation saga of Final Fantasy and I have to say this to all fans of about one game in particular: VII sucked.

I don't care if you liked it because of all the new innovations and whatnot and I don't care if took a giant step forward into the modern world rather than a fantasy world, which is in the title of the series like Rudy said. It wasn't the best Fantasy. VI is the best fantasy out of all of them with IX being in second, only for the nostalgia factor, then VII.

Of course that's just personal opinion. Also adding to the fact Kefka actually destroyed the world and became a pseudo-god while Sephiroth didn't destroy the world at all and almost became a pseudo-god.

[ChobiChibi]

12 was too much of a departure from the normal battle system. Hell walking into Wal-Mart a mere four months following release and seeing the game fully stocked and dropped to $19.99 without being on the PS2 GH list was enough of a warning sign to keep far away from it.

12's Battle System is probably the most realistic out of all the FF games. I mean, since when would anyone just be wandering around and suddenly, their vision shatters and they go into a random battle! Oh noes! I forgot my pheonix downs! >_>

I like the real time element that 12 has, I get very bored of the turn based strats of the previous games. I'm still getting used to it, since I only bought it recently, but it's much more exciting. Plus, you get to be an idiot and attack a dinosaur when you're only level 1 <3

The most fustrating game has to be FF3. I've got the DS remake. If you put the game down for more than an hour, you forget what the hell you were supposed to be doing and then NOBODY in the game gives you a clue as to where you're supposed to be going! It's so irritating! I would have traded it in by now except they weren't gonna give me enough money for it. One day maybe I'll plow through it, but be full of rage as I do so ._.;

I also don't really agree that FF has lost the Fantasy... I don't see people wandering around using magic on big fat monsters with glowy eyes and an evil grin in real life, do you? And extremely tall people with bunny ears? And little teddy bears with wings that put "kupo!" on the end of every sentance? And GIANT SWORDS, gunblades, staffs, summons, fiends... How is this not Fantasy? It's just a different take on it, that's all. I'd get bored if I was always rescuing Princesses from Castles and liberating Kingdoms...

[Master Rudy]

I didn't get into the Final Fantasy series until I played Tactics Advance. Since I'm somewhat of a hardcore Nintendo fan, I pretty much stuck with the Nintendo versions of the FF series.
However, I've seen Let's Plays and videos of the Playstation saga of Final Fantasy and I have to say this to all fans of about one game in particular: VII sucked.

I don't care if you liked it because of all the new innovations and whatnot and I don't care if took a giant step forward into the modern world rather than a fantasy world, which is in the title of the series like Rudy said. It wasn't the best Fantasy. VI is the best fantasy out of all of them with IX being in second, only for the nostalgia factor, then VII.

Of course that's just personal opinion. Also adding to the fact Kefka actually destroyed the world and became a pseudo-god while Sephiroth didn't destroy the world at all and almost became a pseudo-god.

Div sums it up pretty well. While I wouldn't go so far as to say FF7 sucked I will say that the reasons he listed are the main reasons why I just prefer FF6 overall. I think the primary reason why everyone is so damn crazy over 7 is the fact that this was the point that Final Fantasy and RPG's in general became "mainstream" so to speak. Hell when FF7 came out I was one of the few going "what the hell happened to 4-6?!"

But yeah....while 7 is still good there are several elements in the story itself you could potentially lift out of that and drop right back into FF6, and since FF6 came first and took the shocking step of actually destroying the world I'm going to have to say that one did those elements better.

EDIT-The 6 vs. 7 debate always tends to be a sore subject that almost always gets a flame war going in fan circles. Let me put it this way. No matter what side of the debate you are on, set all nostalgia aside for both games. Think about it this way: if both FF6 and FF7 had the same production values, both came out on the PS3, had full voice acting, ect then which do you think would be the better of the two? The key things to look at in this are the overall story and character development. Hell it's easier to think of FF7 on the PS3 thanks to Advent Children so if you have trouble doing that for FF6 then try to imagine FF7 as a 16 bit game instead

[Blademaster]

oh and blademaster, isnt my fault u have no taste in good games

thou FF7 is by far the best one made

UAU confirmed. FFVI and FFIV were FAR superior titles.

because final fantasy was the founders of RPGF games and the reason for the likes of World of Warcraft is because of the likes of FF6 and 7 which set new levels for RPG gaming so ha

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Look. Kid. Since you're new here I'll try and be nice.

First and foremost, there's no such thing as an "RPGF game" unless this place has started developing video games that I don't know about sometime in the past 7 hours.

Second, Final Fantasy was NOT the 'founder' of anything. If the word you're looking for is 'forerunner,' or maybe 'inspiration,' that's not correct either. RPG's in video games existed and were popular before Final Fantasy, and even before the aforementioned DRagon Quest/Dragon Warrior series. FF may have made RPG's profitable, but games such as Rogue and Zork/Dungeon made them period.

Third, if you think WoW was heavily influenced by FF.... Well, since I'm being nice, all I'll permit myself to say is a firm and resounding "No.". I could pull information out of nowhere like you and claim WoW was influenced by Dungeons & Dragons instead, but WoW is actually a sequel: the fourth in a series of PC games called the Warcraft series. Not only has the series always been western, as opposed to the very obvious JPRG structure that Final Fantasy games follow, but it didn't even start out as an RPG series: It started as an RTS series.

And lastly, while FFVI and FFVII were at the very least pretty good games, can you name a few of these "new levels" that they set? FFVI was a fine game, but what specifically did it do that games like Chrono Trigger, Breath of Fire, Sword of Mana, Lufia, and the dozens of other early '90's JRPG's didn't do? And FFVII... It was one of the first and most well-made 3-D JRPG's made. OK. It also made the FF series needlessly emotional (a problem that REALLY manifested in FFVIII and has been lingering since) and it created an entire generation of arrogant fantards the likes of which even the Halo and Zelda series have trouble competing with.

You like the FF series. Fine. But don't come and make baseless claims when you have no idea what you're talking about. TPM only has one egotistical and misinformed video game-obsessed loser, and it's not you. ;/

[Master Rudy]

Jeez Blade......guy made some mistakes on a few facts. Why the hell you getting so worked up about it? As for the "RPGF" thing take a look at your keyboard. G and F are rather close to one another are they not? Could have been a simple typo he didn't catch or edit. I do it all the time.

Come to think of it you've actually been rather touchy as of late. Maybe you should just take a break from TPM and Messenger in general for a few days :-/

[Mr. Brightside]

I'm very lazy atm to read the previous posts. Read a few, the rest later BUT, i though the topic was FF13 not the history of FF.

On topic: Although i do not own a Ps3 i want to play all the FF13's. I would get one just to play them. They look very good, both in gameplay and in presentation and i think that they gonna be one some the epic FF games. Hopefully after this, people will stop moaning about FFVII being the best FF game. Enough with Sephiroth.

[Mystic_clown]

Ok, time for my take on the topic.

First off, there are three main RPG giants at the moment. Megami Tensei, Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy. All three are excellent series, and you as Blade said, you can't really say that just one of them defined RPGs. There are plenty of good titles outside of these three series.

Let's get one thing out of the way. Yes, I am a Final Fantasy fan. FFVII was what first got me onto RPGs. Personally, VII's my favourite, but I do like the others as well. They're all pretty good games. But I will say there are many titles (including the other two series I mentioned) that are just as good. So, I guess you can consider me an RPG fan in general.

WoW being influenced by FF...um...no. Anyone can tell you that's not the case. As Blade said, it is based off of the Warcraft strategy series (my favourite RTS series, if not solely for the gag quotes). In terms of gameplay, to me it's a bit like Neverwinter Nights, though I'm sure there are other games that have a similar style.

[Blademaster]

Jeez Blade......guy made some mistakes on a few facts. Why the hell you getting so worked up about it?

Hasn't the PCG Unown Award thread taught you anything? The Gamer nomination, the Debater nomination, the Whiner nomination...? Come on, Rudy, I know you ain't a slow learner.

[Austrian ViceMaster Alex]

I loved the Final Fantasy series till the FF8 disaster, last FF game I ever played in fact.

My favorite was FF VI, mainly because of sentimental reasons as it was one of the first video game RPGs I had played.

You must know that 99.9 % of the RPGs released in Japan never made it over to Europe back then (on Nintendo consoles). I think the first ever that popped up here was FF: Mystic Quest. Even my FF VI was just an import from the US.

FF VI had excellent music, I even bought the soundtrack CDs. The story was nice, it had a decent ending, the fights were challenging but not unfair. All in all a way above average and almost flawless title in my book. And Kefka was awesome!

FF VII was okay though I do not understand the hype about it. The story was totally confusing (mainly due to the horrible translation from English into German). The graphics ranged from really good to horrible. I'm still having nightmares about those huge block hands. The music was very good though it can't compare to VI. It too had memorable moments. All in all a great game but slightly less fun than VI. VII wins my awards for most overrated hero, villain and game.

FF 8 just sucked. Forgettable music, forgettable story, forgettable characters, ridiculous difficulty increase towards the end but awesome graphics.

I've also played through IV and V once but I didn't find them too exciting really. More fun that 8 at any rate but I didn't enjoy that white mage and black mage business with the professions that much.

[Weasel Overlord]

What, VIII had a ridiculous difficulty level at the end? Impossible, since the enemies level up with you.
EDIT: I'm biased though, cos VIII was my first and therefore my favourite. Plus it has Irvine. And Odinface. And Gilgamesh! <3

I actually had a reply to this when the thread was first made, but then I accidentally pressed ctrl+r instead of t and then I accidentally closed my tabs instead of pressing stop. >< Anyway. Long story short: MAN I'm well looking forward to XIII. And Versus XIII too. But I desperately need a PS3, so until then, I'm more looking forward to Agito, despite the huge lack of info. Mmmm PSP-ness. *drools*

Have you guys seen the latest trailer? They've brought out a dubbed one now, and it seems to have a fair amount of awesome plotness in it. OM NOM NOM. I'll post in a link when I find it again.

I will say though, if they went back to ATB I honestly think they'd lose out on a lot of business. I don't think I'd enjoy it as much as I do on the older games, cos it'd just feel like such a huge step backwards. Plus I have tendencies to zone out while training, and there's nothing like bloody startling battle music to make me shit myself in terror, lol.

I found the subbed (alas) trailer OH FOR AN EMBEDDING FUNCTION *wails*

[Master Rudy]

Well in 8 the enemies level was equal to Squall's with a few exceptions. I could see why the final area could be a bitch. If you focused on a primary core of characters then you may have a problem with the underleveled ones. Granted the GF/draw system helped take care of the stat problem somewhat but it was still a pain in the ass since their base stats still left them lower than everyone else.

[Austrian ViceMaster Alex]

What, VIII had a ridiculous difficulty level at the end? Impossible, since the enemies level up with you.

I remember that I made it to the final boss of the game with my level in the mid 30s, still having the level 2 weapons and armor (I never bothered searching for screws and other junk on remote islands) and barely any decent magic at all. I didn't bother to explore well cause I really hated the game and just wanted to get done with it a.s.a.p.. Anyway, I had to level up a good 15 levels to be finally strong enough to beat her.

[Lady Vulpix]

Hasn't the PCG Unown Award thread taught you anything? The Gamer nomination, the Debater nomination, the Whiner nomination...? Come on, Rudy, I know you ain't a slow learner.

Gaming and debating are fine, attacking others is not. And I don't think being a whiner is something you should be proud of.

I've only played FFX and X-2. I liked the characters, the plots where rather interesting and the graphics were great, but the gameplay was quite painful.

[Roy Karrde]

FF13 English Screens!

http://worthplaying.com/article/2009...images/248982/

Maybe Sie or Keyblader can point out who the new character is.

[Blademaster]

Best red X's I've seen in a long while, Roy-boy.

[Roy Karrde]

They show up just fine for me, anyway changing them over to urls

[RedStarWarrior]

They show up just fine for me, anyway changing them over to urls

Forbidden. I'm sure if you refreshed you'd get the same message we are getting.

Save them and then upload them to your own site.

[Weasel Overlord]

Oh yeah, them's some sexy 304 Forbiddens thar Royboy. XD Also, Sie and Keyblader aren't the only ones who could tell you who the characters are, you know.

[Roy Karrde]

Edited again to give the original site, damn thing doesnt work now well I have no idea what I will do.

[Weasel Overlord]

Ah yes, it works. But it's only one! D:

Trumped. OM NOM NOM NEW SUMMONS. *does the Bahamut drool*

Also. Not in English, but never mind.

EDIT: the silver-haired awesome-dude is called Yaag.

[Roy Karrde]

Ah yes, it works. But it's only one! D:

Click the picture to go forward Or here for all 8.


But yep they have the same 8 pics in both of our links. Can you identify the tattoo girl?

[Weasel Overlord]

Certainly. She's called Fang, and her summon is Bahamut. Yaag is a subordinate to the silver-haired woman with the sunglasses - you know, the super badass one? She's called, uh, Nabaat. They do all have like, a zillion names, but I can never remember them, so hey.

OOH ALSO I found the English dubbed trailer! Enjoy!

[Keyblader]

thanks for the uploads Roy Karrde and the trailer to Weasel Overlord, they are much appreciated.

[PNT510]

Anyone who thinks Final Fantasy wasn't a big influence on World of Warcraft is smoking crack. Yes, Warcraft is a western game and yes, Warcraft started as an RTS. That doesn't change the fact that Final Fantasy is the most influential JRPG series. There hasn't been an RPG released in a long time that hasn't had some influence from Final Fantasy or a game that was influenced by Final Fantasy.

And Rudy the reason why Square shut down the CT fan game isn't a terrible thing. A company can lose it's trademarks if it does not protect them. And that means they legally have to shut down fan games that they know about or risk losing the trademarks. Trademark laws are very fickle so companies need to keep on top of them.