Amy Winehouse Is Dead

[shazza]

Google News!

I never have started these thread before. I don't know what else to say.

In b4 "should have gone to rehab" jokes.

[Roy Karrde]

Seriously, who didnt see this coming?

[Oslo]

And the 27 Club claims its latest member.

[Gavin Luper]

I can't help but feel sorry for her. She obviously lived such a troubled life, what with ostensible mental illness and drug problems. I do feel sad at this and I hope people don't mock her death, though it seems like many will. May she rest in peace.

[DarkestLight]

Wow shenanigans.

And I don't mean that in a funny way. That girl had talent and the pace of fame overtook her with extreme prejudice. It was all her decision, but its still a sad moment.

[Cynder]

Wow, that's really random :/ RIP is all I can say really, and to make light of it - she really should have gone to rehab.

[Knight of Time]

Wow, this is a tough one to comment on.

I never really liked her due to all the trouble she got into, but still, this is what can happen when you overdose (I'm guessing either this or suicide was her cause of death)...nonetheless, RIP Amy Winehouse.

[Cammy White]

It's such a shame. Her family must be heart broken. It's not unexpected, but a life is a life. As I said on twitter she had a lot of problems and didn't accept any help, but that doesn't mean she deserved to die.

People who are saying such things should be ashamed.

[Classtoise]

I'd say I'm shocked but I'm not a good liar.

[Drago]

My true opinion on this matter is too harsh, hence I'll refrain from discussing it. So instead, I'll just say: what a waste of talent.

[mr_pikachu]

A few of my friends mentioned this to me earlier today. Truly, a tremendous waste of talent. Well, really, anyone who can skip her own concerts and still draw crowds has something going for her. It's just a shame that she didn't know how to handle the fame.

Seeing that she's passed certainly makes sites like this one much less funny. Maybe whoever actually won will take a lesson from the morbidity. In any case, no more will the tabloids feast on Winehouse tales... may she rest in peace.

[classy_cat18]

It's a real shame for her to have that wonderful singing voice and then waste it like that. I still have her one hit on my iPod...and still sing it on Rock Band.

[Perfect Chaos]

I wonder what she OD'ed on THIS time.

Can't say I'm surprised at all about this. God rest her soul.

[Heald]

Never liked her music. Seemed like a horrible person in life and died a very predictable death. I don't usually like to speak ill of the departed but the manufactured media outpouring is just sickening. Words like genius, talented, brilliant are being bandied about. Amy was none of these things, she was just another mediocre musician used by a label to get rich who experienced a stint of success and threw it all away.

The good news is at least she won't be singing the next Bond theme like she was being touted to do so, that would've been terrible. Like the rest of her produce.

[Bear]

Never liked her music. Seemed like a horrible person in life and died a very predictable death. I don't usually like to speak ill of the departed but the manufactured media outpouring is just sickening. Words like genius, talented, brilliant are being bandied about. Amy was none of these things, she was just another mediocre musician used by a label to get rich who experienced a stint of success and threw it all away.

The good news is at least she won't be singing the next Bond theme like she was being touted to do so, that would've been terrible. Like the rest of her produce.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

May God bless her soul though, as she is still one of His creations, flaws and all.

[Bear]

May God bless her soul though, as she is still one of His creations, flaws and all.

I have compassion for her as a human being. However, everyone here knows damn well that if she had not died, she would have faded into oblivion within a short period of time, as most mediocre pop singers do. The only reason she is being immortalized is because she died and got that kind of attention. Have you even listened to her music, lyrics, and how she really sounds before being autotuned? She sounds craptastic. She's just another mass-produced, cookie cutter pop singer and just more proof that the general public has NO idea what "good music" and "talent" are. It's honestly depressing to me how far the industry has fallen, and how genuine creativity and introspection have been completely drowned out by catchy beats and meaningless lyrics.

Please, by all means respect the dead. However, don't make up stuff to put these people on a pedestal they do not deserve. "They wanted me to go to rehab but I said nuu nuu nuu". The fuck?

[Asilynne]

I have compassion for her as a human being. However, everyone here knows damn well that if she had not died, she would have faded into oblivion within a short period of time, as most mediocre pop singers do. The only reason she is being immortalized is because she died and got that kind of attention. Have you even listened to her music, lyrics, and how she really sounds before being autotuned? She sounds craptastic. She's just another mass-produced, cookie cutter pop singer and just more proof that the general public has NO idea what "good music" and "talent" are. It's honestly depressing to me how far the industry has fallen, and how genuine creativity and introspection have been completely drowned out by catchy beats and meaningless lyrics.

Please, by all means respect the dead. However, don't make up stuff to put these people on a pedestal they do not deserve. "They wanted me to go to rehab but I said nuu nuu nuu". The fuck?

I agree, sometimes it seems like people take the whole "have respect for the dead" to mean "give the dead tons of undeserved complements and over-inflate their accomplishments and talents so no one thinks you are horrible for speaking badly of the dead".

Personally, I thought her voice was horrendous and I didn't like her music either. It was uninspired and annoying. No one deserves to die but she also doesn't deserve being lavished upon for her 'lost talents'. The world lost a person, but not a super talented musician.

As far as her personal life goes, I don't know whether or not she was a good person, because I don't really care enough about her in life or death to learn about her. She would still be lurking in obscurity as far as I'm concerned if she would have lived because I know more about her now that she's dead than I ever did alive o.o

BEFORE THE FLAMES HAPPEN I'M NOT SAYING SHE DESERVED IT! But I also think the whole thing in Norway is more important than her >.>

[DarkestLight]

But I also think the whole thing in Norway is more important than her >.>

No one cares about Oslo!!!

inb4sadface

[Master Rudy]

I agree, sometimes it seems like people take the whole "have respect for the dead" to mean "give the dead tons of undeserved complements and over-inflate their accomplishments and talents so no one thinks you are horrible for speaking badly of the dead".

Personally, I thought her voice was horrendous and I didn't like her music either. It was uninspired and annoying. No one deserves to die but she also doesn't deserve being lavished upon for her 'lost talents'. The world lost a person, but not a super talented musician.

As far as her personal life goes, I don't know whether or not she was a good person, because I don't really care enough about her in life or death to learn about her. She would still be lurking in obscurity as far as I'm concerned if she would have lived because I know more about her now that she's dead than I ever did alive o.o

BEFORE THE FLAMES HAPPEN I'M NOT SAYING SHE DESERVED IT! But I also think the whole thing in Norway is more important than her >.>

Bran and James hit it on the head. As far as people go I'm sorry she died. As far as being famous however I never heard of her before this week.

The ultimate irony? The day after this happened me and my friend John were playing Rock Band 3. One of her songs came up on a random playlist. What song was it?

Rehab

[Roy Karrde]

Damn I am reading how she went out and... wow if there is a way to go out THIS is it. She bought and I quote... Cocaine, Heroin, Ecstasy and the Horse Tranquilizer known as Ketamine before she died.

[Heald]

Yawn. 4 drugs easily available in the UK and any moron knows you shouldn't even mix any 2 of those without seriously risking some gnarly effects, let alone all four. Stupid girl does stupid thing and ends up dying. News at eleven.

[Shadow Wolf]

Not to become the Devil's advocate, but I think that anyone with 23 awards would feel great pressure from everywhere (media, family, business....). Plus artists have a really tight schedule (of course, I'm not saying that this gave her the right to just kill herself with drugs, but to pinpoint a certain reality: with great power -in this case, great talent- comes great responsibility).

Plus if we never get to know a friend completely, we neither get to know an artist completely (in fact, we might only know what the media say about her). We will never know what good points she had, but were sacrificed in exchange for a career. To win something, you lose something (in her case, fame [and the incapacity to handle it] lead to lose many things... including her life).

May she rest in peace.

[Drago]

Plus if we never get to know a friend completely, we neither get to know an artist completely (in fact, we might only know what the media say about her). We will never know what good points she had, but were sacrificed in exchange for a career. To win something, you lose something (in her case, fame [and the incapacity to handle it] lead to lose many things... including her life).

If she couldn't hack the spotlight, she damn well should have retired. But of course, she needed the money to feed her addiction, so that wasn't going to happen...

[Shadow Wolf]

If she couldn't hack the spotlight, she damn well should have retired. But of course, she needed the money to feed her addiction, so that wasn't going to happen...

You're right. That's what happens when you, instead of handling problems, find a way to "escape" from them.

It saddens me to admit that these people forget to love themselves and just take this doom desire. The phrase conveys the truth: "El que no sigue consejos, no llega a viejo" (He/She who does not follow advices, will not reach old age".

[Gavin Luper]

Yawn. 4 drugs easily available in the UK and any moron knows you shouldn't even mix any 2 of those without seriously risking some gnarly effects, let alone all four. Stupid girl does stupid thing and ends up dying. News at eleven.

Yawn. Tryhard cynic gives typical "I am so above everyone else and am totally above feeling any fake, media-driven compassion for another human being's death" posts, which are basically equally as cliche as the posts that try to be compassionate. I think it's human nature for people to be compassionate to the dead, especially to those who clearly had troubled/tragic lives, because they are 1) dead and 2) can't defend their honour, so people naturally recognise that all of us are mortal and that probably we'd like to be treated similarly when we die, with some basic form of respect and not venom. I don't know why you need to try to prove how allegedly transcendent you are, but you just come off looking like an adolescent jerk.

That came off more venomous than I intended, but posts like yours are so typical and baiting and, frankly, they just piss me off.

[Blademaster]

Not to become the Devil's advocate, but I think that anyone with 23 awards

Whoawhoawhoa, 23?

Can I get a source on that?

[Heald]

Yawn. Tryhard cynic gives typical "I am so above everyone else and am totally above feeling any fake, media-driven compassion for another human being's death" posts, which are basically equally as cliche as the posts that try to be compassionate. I think it's human nature for people to be compassionate to the dead, especially to those who clearly had troubled/tragic lives, because they are 1) dead and 2) can't defend their honour, so people naturally recognise that all of us are mortal and that probably we'd like to be treated similarly when we die, with some basic form of respect and not venom. I don't know why you need to try to prove how allegedly transcendent you are, but you just come off looking like an adolescent jerk.

That came off more venomous than I intended, but posts like yours are so typical and baiting and, frankly, they just piss me off.

Unfortunately almost all of this is untrue. I'm not a "tryhard cynic", I'm not trying to prove how "allegedly transcendent" I am and I'm not being "typical and baiting". If you can't tell the difference between someone's honest opinion of the life and untimely death of a celebrity and the trolls on Youtube who post poor insults in the comments section in order to get a rise out of people then any guess you try to make of posts of either variety will fall wide of the mark. I wasn't looking for a response, nor was I attempting to bait anyone here. I was merely posting my honest opinion. Just because my opinion runs contrary to the manufactured outpouring of grief the media has whipped up in order to sell stories doesn't mean I lose my right to express myself in an honest way, even if I am blunt and pragmatic in my approach. To be anything less would not be worth posting.

[Classtoise]

Unfortunately almost all of this is untrue. I'm not a "tryhard cynic", I'm not trying to prove how "allegedly transcendent" I am and I'm not being "typical and baiting". If you can't tell the difference between someone's honest opinion of the life and untimely death of a celebrity and the trolls on Youtube who post poor insults in the comments section in order to get a rise out of people then any guess you try to make of posts of either variety will fall wide of the mark. I wasn't looking for a response, nor was I attempting to bait anyone here. I was merely posting my honest opinion. Just because my opinion runs contrary to the manufactured outpouring of grief the media has whipped up in order to sell stories doesn't mean I lose my right to express myself in an honest way, even if I am blunt and pragmatic in my approach. To be anything less would not be worth posting.

Yes but how can he pretend to be a tryhard fake-carer and act like he's above the cynics by pretending to give two shits about a celebrity who's been abusing drugs and been bulimic for god knows how long and has outright made a song about refusing help.

I forget where I'm going so I'm just gonna call Gavin a hypocrite and be done with it.

[Shadow Wolf]

Would you people mind stopping the flaming.

Being on drugs, having a sad life, suicide... no matter the way you put it, a human being died here. If people are so cold as to not have a glimpse of compassion for a human being who died (no matter in what way), then fine. But that doesn't give any reason to go on attacking other fellow TPMers because they also have the right to express themselves and have something called "feelings of compassion for human beings".

EDIT: In the same way,we -people who have some kind of compassion for when a human being dies-, do not have any right to attack people who don't give a damn about someone who "wasted her life".

The thing is: let people express themselves and stop the flaming.

[Deadwood_Zen]

Yawn. Tryhard cynic gives typical "I am so above everyone else and am totally above feeling any fake, media-driven compassion for another human being's death" posts, which are basically equally as cliche as the posts that try to be compassionate. I think it's human nature for people to be compassionate to the dead, especially to those who clearly had troubled/tragic lives, because they are 1) dead and 2) can't defend their honour, so people naturally recognise that all of us are mortal and that probably we'd like to be treated similarly when we die, with some basic form of respect and not venom. I don't know why you need to try to prove how allegedly transcendent you are, but you just come off looking like an adolescent jerk.

That came off more venomous than I intended, but posts like yours are so typical and baiting and, frankly, they just piss me off.

Thank you!

[Shadow Wolf]

Blade: Here it is! 58 nominations and 23 awards (even without the "worst" awards, she still had a whooping 21 awards). I tried to find another source that confirmed how many awards she won, but I was unsuccessful (I even tried visiting her different pages, but no result). So yeah, it's a shame it ended this way (on a side note: 23 awards and died on day 23. Could she also be related to the 23 enigma?)

[Deadwood_Zen]

I found out this morning(Pacific Standard Time) an hour after it was on the news fee do my mom's Android. I was really sad. She has something going for her and I was really looking forward to another album of hers. Forever shall she remain a brief music legend. Argue as you will, but she had talent- whether you like the genre or not.

[shazza]

Ketamine is terrible. It's increasingly masked as ecstasy in Australia as actual MDMA is increasingly scarce. Last time I had a pill a couple of years ago and I am fairly sure that was it. Why would she buy such shit?

[Zak]

I actually remember I think on THIS board, back when Heath Ledger died in 2008 people were saying "why couldn't it have been Amy Winehouse". That was actually the first time I've heard of her.

EDIT: Yep.

[shazza]

She was foolish in her mistreatment of drugs and alcohol, but that does not in any way suggest she was deserving of a premature death. Not entirely unexpected, yes; but deserving? What? That attitude implies you’ve accepted the Amy Winehouse image as portrayed by the media – a personality fuelled on drugs. Clearly she was someone before her drugs; and her abuse of drugs, to me, indicates a multifaceted character with crippling ambivalent thoughts. Her music isn't stupid; she never appeared to be stupid. And as I skim over her Wikipedia article, her troubled past and attempts to rehabilitate -- contrary to her hit -- confirms my perception. Nobody knows who the real Amy Winehouse was besides her true friends and family, who have lost someone dear. Regardless of your personal opinions about her, her death was not warranted and respectable sympathy should be common sense.

Previous musicians such as Hendrix, Cobain and Morrison are now generally regarded as geniuses lost far too prematurely. Their respective drug addiction just adds to their enigmatic personalities. This will be the case for Winehouse in time.

[Dark Sage]

You can add Elvis to that list, unfortunately.

I don't know why being famous and having problems with addictive substances sometimes seem to go hand and hand. I swear, we never have a popular artist who's completely free from vice and controversy. You know why? Such a person would be boring.

[Magmar]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Oh no no no TPM, I'm astonished nobody mentioned the fact that Amy was sober in her last days and seems to have died of, sadly, natural causes as a result of her years of hard partying. There were no drugs found in her home, and she had just gotten out of rehab. All the mud slinging about her at this point is mud slinging for the sake of doing it.

I know this response comes a little late, but my internet died Saturday night when our sugar glider flew into the router, got freaked out when it fell over, and peed all over it... during our Amy Winehouse "wake" aka "let's drink sangria and listen to Amy and watch intervention lulz" night.

As an actual long-term fan of Amy Winehouse, I found her music to be so deeply inspired, going places where other artists with similar issues seemed to be afraid to tastefully address. Yes, Amy was an addict, and her songs dealt with her struggles of addiction and her enabling ex-husband. What is missing from this discussion are the facts that:
-She wrote all of her own music. Yes, Amy wrote Rehab, not a machine in a record label office. She wrote two full-length albums and was working on a third.
-She won numerous awards but was unable to attend her most important ones due to actually being in Rehab.
-She struggled and tried to break her addictions, but was not going to mask the truth. How many celebrities actually own up to their own pitfalls? Amy did drugs, but so do a lot of celebrities who don't admit it and just show up looking all ragged and shit.

Amy's disease led to her deterioration, downfall and death. I am sad that we will never hear her third album. If you cannot reflect upon her as a woman who was ill, sought help, tried to straighten her life out and ultimately lost everything, then you are not reflecting on the true Amy Winehouse, but a media caricature of her, and you lack some serious maturity. I'm really floored that our youngest members seem to be the most mature about her passing on.

Whether or not you are a fan, if you cannot recognize addiction as a serious disease and cannot recognize Amy as a fighter who struggled to overcome it, then you hold no ground to critique Amy's lifestyle at the end of her life, and should not be throwing stones.

RIP Amy. You were beautiful.

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Finally, I am so sick and tired of people saying "WTF Barry, Norway is so much more important than Amy Winehouse!" Do you think I don't know that? Does that really not give me ground to be upset that one of my favorite artists passed away? Yes, I was extraordinarily upset about what happened in Norway and still am, but I chose to put RIP Amy as my Facebook status and got a ton of shit for it because apparently "I care about Amy Winehouse" translates to "I don't care about terrorist attacks in Norway" to some people. The events are UNRELATED and should be treated as such. Anyone who says otherwise can suck it. Amy was one of THREE celebrities out of any sort of stardom whether TV or any kind of media that I routinely followed because I loved her music, because I was so eagerly anticipating the day when she would announce a U.S. tour and I could watch her stagger around on stage.

....The other two are JK Rowling and Conor Oberst

SPEAKING OF, I'm going to see Bright Eyes on August 30th and can't waaaaiiiit <333333

[Asilynne]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Oh no no no TPM, I'm astonished nobody mentioned the fact that Amy was sober in her last days and seems to have died of, sadly, natural causes as a result of her years of hard partying. There were no drugs found in her home, and she had just gotten out of rehab. All the mud slinging about her at this point is mud slinging for the sake of doing it.

I know this response comes a little late, but my internet died Saturday night when our sugar glider flew into the router, got freaked out when it fell over, and peed all over it... during our Amy Winehouse "wake" aka "let's drink sangria and listen to Amy and watch intervention lulz" night.

As an actual long-term fan of Amy Winehouse, I found her music to be so deeply inspired, going places where other artists with similar issues seemed to be afraid to tastefully address. Yes, Amy was an addict, and her songs dealt with her struggles of addiction and her enabling ex-husband. What is missing from this discussion are the facts that:
-She wrote all of her own music. Yes, Amy wrote Rehab, not a machine in a record label office. She wrote two full-length albums and was working on a third.
-She won numerous awards but was unable to attend her most important ones due to actually being in Rehab.
-She struggled and tried to break her addictions, but was not going to mask the truth. How many celebrities actually own up to their own pitfalls? Amy did drugs, but so do a lot of celebrities who don't admit it and just show up looking all ragged and shit.

Amy's disease led to her deterioration, downfall and death. I am sad that we will never hear her third album. If you cannot reflect upon her as a woman who was ill, sought help, tried to straighten her life out and ultimately lost everything, then you are not reflecting on the true Amy Winehouse, but a media caricature of her, and you lack some serious maturity. I'm really floored that our youngest members seem to be the most mature about her passing on.

Whether or not you are a fan, if you cannot recognize addiction as a serious disease and cannot recognize Amy as a fighter who struggled to overcome it, then you hold no ground to critique Amy's lifestyle at the end of her life, and should not be throwing stones.

RIP Amy. You were beautiful.

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Finally, I am so sick and tired of people saying "WTF Barry, Norway is so much more important than Amy Winehouse!" Do you think I don't know that? Does that really not give me ground to be upset that one of my favorite artists passed away? Yes, I was extraordinarily upset about what happened in Norway and still am, but I chose to put RIP Amy as my Facebook status and got a ton of shit for it because apparently "I care about Amy Winehouse" translates to "I don't care about terrorist attacks in Norway" to some people. The events are UNRELATED and should be treated as such. Anyone who says otherwise can suck it. Amy was one of THREE celebrities out of any sort of stardom whether TV or any kind of media that I routinely followed because I loved her music, because I was so eagerly anticipating the day when she would announce a U.S. tour and I could watch her stagger around on stage.

....The other two are JK Rowling and Conor Oberst

SPEAKING OF, I'm going to see Bright Eyes on August 30th and can't waaaaiiiit <333333

You have shamed me sir I'll admit I really don't know a whole lot about her, like I said I only even heard her name mentioned after she was already dead >.>


On a brighter note though you have a sugar glider <333

[Magmar]

Asi, I'm glad my post made you think twice. I am by no means upset at any members for what they said about her! I recognize she wasn't really known as much for her talent as she was for her trainwreck of a life. In fact the only reason I got into Amy's music in the first place is because we used to play it at my store and I really liked it

[Bear]

I have no judgments on her life or her choices. It's redundant to say her choices were bad ones, because it's been drilled into the ground. We all make bad choices in life, and some are even worse than choosing drugs.

My only gripe with the situation was using words like "genius" and "lost talent" to describe her, because I felt (read: in my opinion) these were inaccurate. Being a musician myself, I felt her songs were shallow instrumentally and the lyrics, as genuine as they might have been, lacking flow and purpose. Ok, so you're a drug addict and you want to admit it to the world? Hold a press conference. Want to write a song about it? Fine, but leave something for our imaginations. If you want to send us a message in your song, you never come right out and say it. Choose your lyrics carefully so they make us think, not just bombard us with "I'm a drug addict and I refused rehab because I'm strong". I was unimpressed with her songwriting ability, and borderline frightened by her natural voice when I heard it without the aid of auto tuning and editing software.

I respect her effort in the fight against addiction. I respect her willingness to admit her issues publicly. I respect her attempts to form the thoughts into song. These things make her many things: courageous, strong-willed, and dedicated. They do not, however, make her a talented musician.

Please remember that this post is entirely my own opinion, and not being distributed as fact in any way shape or form. Obviously Magmar and I have two different tastes and definitions for what music and talent are, and I respect his opinion just as much as my own.

PS - lol @ sugar glider peeing on router. I struggled to take the rest of the post seriously after reading that, sorry Magmar . I did my best though!