Amy Winehouse Is Dead

[Heald]

Yawn. 4 drugs easily available in the UK and any moron knows you shouldn't even mix any 2 of those without seriously risking some gnarly effects, let alone all four. Stupid girl does stupid thing and ends up dying. News at eleven.

[Shadow Wolf]

Not to become the Devil's advocate, but I think that anyone with 23 awards would feel great pressure from everywhere (media, family, business....). Plus artists have a really tight schedule (of course, I'm not saying that this gave her the right to just kill herself with drugs, but to pinpoint a certain reality: with great power -in this case, great talent- comes great responsibility).

Plus if we never get to know a friend completely, we neither get to know an artist completely (in fact, we might only know what the media say about her). We will never know what good points she had, but were sacrificed in exchange for a career. To win something, you lose something (in her case, fame [and the incapacity to handle it] lead to lose many things... including her life).

May she rest in peace.

[Drago]

Plus if we never get to know a friend completely, we neither get to know an artist completely (in fact, we might only know what the media say about her). We will never know what good points she had, but were sacrificed in exchange for a career. To win something, you lose something (in her case, fame [and the incapacity to handle it] lead to lose many things... including her life).

If she couldn't hack the spotlight, she damn well should have retired. But of course, she needed the money to feed her addiction, so that wasn't going to happen...

[Shadow Wolf]

If she couldn't hack the spotlight, she damn well should have retired. But of course, she needed the money to feed her addiction, so that wasn't going to happen...

You're right. That's what happens when you, instead of handling problems, find a way to "escape" from them.

It saddens me to admit that these people forget to love themselves and just take this doom desire. The phrase conveys the truth: "El que no sigue consejos, no llega a viejo" (He/She who does not follow advices, will not reach old age".

[Gavin Luper]

Yawn. 4 drugs easily available in the UK and any moron knows you shouldn't even mix any 2 of those without seriously risking some gnarly effects, let alone all four. Stupid girl does stupid thing and ends up dying. News at eleven.

Yawn. Tryhard cynic gives typical "I am so above everyone else and am totally above feeling any fake, media-driven compassion for another human being's death" posts, which are basically equally as cliche as the posts that try to be compassionate. I think it's human nature for people to be compassionate to the dead, especially to those who clearly had troubled/tragic lives, because they are 1) dead and 2) can't defend their honour, so people naturally recognise that all of us are mortal and that probably we'd like to be treated similarly when we die, with some basic form of respect and not venom. I don't know why you need to try to prove how allegedly transcendent you are, but you just come off looking like an adolescent jerk.

That came off more venomous than I intended, but posts like yours are so typical and baiting and, frankly, they just piss me off.

[Blademaster]

Not to become the Devil's advocate, but I think that anyone with 23 awards

Whoawhoawhoa, 23?

Can I get a source on that?

[Heald]

Yawn. Tryhard cynic gives typical "I am so above everyone else and am totally above feeling any fake, media-driven compassion for another human being's death" posts, which are basically equally as cliche as the posts that try to be compassionate. I think it's human nature for people to be compassionate to the dead, especially to those who clearly had troubled/tragic lives, because they are 1) dead and 2) can't defend their honour, so people naturally recognise that all of us are mortal and that probably we'd like to be treated similarly when we die, with some basic form of respect and not venom. I don't know why you need to try to prove how allegedly transcendent you are, but you just come off looking like an adolescent jerk.

That came off more venomous than I intended, but posts like yours are so typical and baiting and, frankly, they just piss me off.

Unfortunately almost all of this is untrue. I'm not a "tryhard cynic", I'm not trying to prove how "allegedly transcendent" I am and I'm not being "typical and baiting". If you can't tell the difference between someone's honest opinion of the life and untimely death of a celebrity and the trolls on Youtube who post poor insults in the comments section in order to get a rise out of people then any guess you try to make of posts of either variety will fall wide of the mark. I wasn't looking for a response, nor was I attempting to bait anyone here. I was merely posting my honest opinion. Just because my opinion runs contrary to the manufactured outpouring of grief the media has whipped up in order to sell stories doesn't mean I lose my right to express myself in an honest way, even if I am blunt and pragmatic in my approach. To be anything less would not be worth posting.

[Classtoise]

Unfortunately almost all of this is untrue. I'm not a "tryhard cynic", I'm not trying to prove how "allegedly transcendent" I am and I'm not being "typical and baiting". If you can't tell the difference between someone's honest opinion of the life and untimely death of a celebrity and the trolls on Youtube who post poor insults in the comments section in order to get a rise out of people then any guess you try to make of posts of either variety will fall wide of the mark. I wasn't looking for a response, nor was I attempting to bait anyone here. I was merely posting my honest opinion. Just because my opinion runs contrary to the manufactured outpouring of grief the media has whipped up in order to sell stories doesn't mean I lose my right to express myself in an honest way, even if I am blunt and pragmatic in my approach. To be anything less would not be worth posting.

Yes but how can he pretend to be a tryhard fake-carer and act like he's above the cynics by pretending to give two shits about a celebrity who's been abusing drugs and been bulimic for god knows how long and has outright made a song about refusing help.

I forget where I'm going so I'm just gonna call Gavin a hypocrite and be done with it.

[Shadow Wolf]

Would you people mind stopping the flaming.

Being on drugs, having a sad life, suicide... no matter the way you put it, a human being died here. If people are so cold as to not have a glimpse of compassion for a human being who died (no matter in what way), then fine. But that doesn't give any reason to go on attacking other fellow TPMers because they also have the right to express themselves and have something called "feelings of compassion for human beings".

EDIT: In the same way,we -people who have some kind of compassion for when a human being dies-, do not have any right to attack people who don't give a damn about someone who "wasted her life".

The thing is: let people express themselves and stop the flaming.

[Dark Sage]

Next thing you know, Charlie Sheen will drop dead from an overdose, and people will start raving about how great a guy he was.

I'm not buying it people. She was a junkie who refused to get help when she needed it. She dug her own grave, and I won't be shedding any tears now.

[Classtoise]

Would you people mind stopping the flaming.

Being on drugs, having a sad life, suicide... no matter the way you put it, a human being died here. If people are so cold as to not have a glimpse of compassion for a human being who died (no matter in what way), then fine. But that doesn't give any reason to go on attacking other fellow TPMers because they also have the right to express themselves and have something called "feelings of compassion for human beings".

EDIT: In the same way,we -people who have some kind of compassion for when a human being dies-, do not have any right to attack people who don't give a damn about someone who "wasted her life".

The thing is: let people express themselves and stop the flaming.

Lots of people die.
Sometimes it's tragic (Norway), sometimes it's because you wrote a song about not wanting to get help for your drug problem (Amy Winehouse).

I care about one of these situations. What bugs ME is people acting like it's cold to not care about a celebrity when this exact death happens to people all the time and no one cares because it's not plastered on TV.

Also nice "totally subtle" shot at the end.
"Stop flaming, you cold, heartless monsters who don't feel compassion. I mean us awesome wonderful people shouldn't either."


Also can we stop calling addiction a disease?
It just makes it sound like the addict has zero control over it. People with HIV or Cancer don't go "Well, maybe ONE blind blood injection won't hurt" or "Well, maybe ONE clump of cancerous cells won't hurt". And addicts don't get a call from the doctor at midnight that "I dunno how to tell you this...it's cocaine."

Calling it a disease implies that it was never their choice. And while there are a lot of addicts who realize their mistake too late, all using the word "disease" does is act like the person is some poor soul who just rolled snake-eyes in the genetic craps game. And they all meet literally the exact same end. It's not like they're going anywhere after they die, so it's kind of unfair that they be labeled the exact same way.

And I could see if it was someone who did something, but Amy Winehouse? What did she do? Screech on stage about how awesome drugs are and fall over a lot?
Woo.
Here let me muster up some care.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Here it comes.
Almost...
Nope. Didn't work. Don't care.

[Magmar]

Also can we stop calling addiction a disease?
It just makes it sound like the addict has zero control over it. People with HIV or Cancer don't go "Well, maybe ONE blind blood injection won't hurt" or "Well, maybe ONE clump of cancerous cells won't hurt". And addicts don't get a call from the doctor at midnight that "I dunno how to tell you this...it's cocaine."

This is going to be that rare time where I delve into a bit of flaming back, but wow, that is by far the most ignorant, disgusting point of view I've encountered on the forums. You don't know the first thing about addiction, clearly, and have no ground to speak on it.

addiction = disease.
addiction = disease.
addiction = disease.
Go do some research and get back to me when you're educated on the subject. Until then,

MAGMAR used FIRE BLAST

[Deadwood_Zen]

Yawn. Tryhard cynic gives typical "I am so above everyone else and am totally above feeling any fake, media-driven compassion for another human being's death" posts, which are basically equally as cliche as the posts that try to be compassionate. I think it's human nature for people to be compassionate to the dead, especially to those who clearly had troubled/tragic lives, because they are 1) dead and 2) can't defend their honour, so people naturally recognise that all of us are mortal and that probably we'd like to be treated similarly when we die, with some basic form of respect and not venom. I don't know why you need to try to prove how allegedly transcendent you are, but you just come off looking like an adolescent jerk.

That came off more venomous than I intended, but posts like yours are so typical and baiting and, frankly, they just piss me off.

Thank you!

[Shadow Wolf]

Blade: Here it is! 58 nominations and 23 awards (even without the "worst" awards, she still had a whooping 21 awards). I tried to find another source that confirmed how many awards she won, but I was unsuccessful (I even tried visiting her different pages, but no result). So yeah, it's a shame it ended this way (on a side note: 23 awards and died on day 23. Could she also be related to the 23 enigma?)