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[Mewtwo-D2]

For Heald: Luke 22:35-38
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Swords for self-defense. Meaningless sacrifice of self is not at all advocated by Christianity.


And TKnHappyNess, that's the point. I'm saying I have a right to protect my body and my life. DTZ is saying that I do not have that right. He is saying that it is better for me to allow myself to be raped and murdered than to fight back and potentially kill my attacker. He is saying that the life, comfort, and well-being of a rapist is more important than my own.

[Heald]

For Heald: Luke 22:35-38
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Swords for self-defense. Meaningless sacrifice of self is not at all advocated by Christianity.

It is generally accepted that Luke was written decades after the events it tells, and the fact that the passage you have quoted appears nowhere else in any of the other Gospels, it is unlikely Jesus actually said this, and it is probably more likely Luke put it in to appeal to his mainly Greek and non-Jewish audience, whose societies had strong militaristic bases.

That said, no, meaningless sacrifice is not at all advocated by Christianity.

[DarkTemplarZero]

"If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do." - Exodus 21:7

"So God said to Noah, 'I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.'" - Genesis 6:13

God has a great and noble history of being self-contradictory, hypocritical, etc. so therefore, if you choose to believe in Christian theology you have to pick and choose what you interpret as the true word of God, otherwise you'd shoot yourself in the face trying to be both violent and peaceful, loving your family and selling your daughter into prostitution, etc. However, when choosing between Luke's miltarism and Matthew's cheesey idealism I think I'll take the latter. I much prefer sappy idealism myself. And besides, Mewtwo, I think you're missing the big picture, didn't Jesus voluntarily sacrifice himself to a horrific death? I think that qualifies as rolling over and taking abuse.

And Mewtwo, stop skewing what I have to say. I'm saying you don't have the right to kill someone in anger by pouding their head in like some PMS-y Atilla the Hun bitch. Honestly, I've never met anybody more murderous than you are, where you people get so much murderous hatred I have no idea. Life is good, stop fantasizing about killing each other.

[Mewtwo-D2]

And Mewtwo, stop skewing what I have to say. I'm saying you don't have the right to kill someone in anger by pouding their head in like some PMS-y Atilla the Hun bitch. Honestly, I've never met anybody more murderous than you are, where you people get so much murderous hatred I have no idea. Life is good, stop fantasizing about killing each other.

I have been a victim of sexual abuse, thank you very much. Unless you went for over a year receiving rape threats on a daily basis, then you have no right to tell me that I can't be angry about it. I would like to hurt the people that hurt me. I know a very wonderful woman, who's just like a sister to me, who was molested at ages 3, 5, 10, and raped at 13. I would like to kill the people who hurt her. I would very much like to see the people who hurt her suffer and die- they deserve it.

In fact, I know several women who have been molested or raped. If someone EVER threatens a woman with sexual violence in my presence, I don't care if they haul me off to prison- I am killing the son of a bitch that does it.

And you know what? I let myself be victimized. When my classmates were telling me that they were going to hold me down on the bus and rape me, when they shouted that if they found me alone in the hallway, they were going to gang-bang me, when they'd slip me notes in class ordering me to get down on my knees and blow them beneath the desk, I just sat there and cried. I never reported any of them. I became suicidally depressed and severely bulimic. I slept 16-20 hours a day. And you know what I realized? I could continue being a victim and wallowing in my fear and self-pity, or I could stop being a victim and simply become a survivor.

I don't care if your demented, twisted, and sick views make you think I'm 'a PMS-y Atilla the Hun bitch'. I refuse to be a victim, and I refuse to allow others to be victimized if I can help it.

[DarkTemplarZero]

What I think is most important in life, other than perhaps good food of course , is never compromising your principles. As a fellow Star Trek fan Roy, you should be well versed in never compromising your principles, despite the fact that you're not much of a fan of Voyager. And as for the law argument, isn't the Bible God's word? So therefore God believes in selling your daughters into prostitution? Well, like I said before, religion's all about the interpretation, hence why no Christian or Muslim sect can agree with any other one.

And M2, I see your point. You've had traumatic experiences and you want revenge. Quite human. To err is human, to forgive, divine. While I'm not saying that you should forgive sexual assault, I'm saying that you should stop fantasizing about killing people, really, life is too short to waste with dreams like that. Now I'm sorry if you've become so much like that which you despise the most that you would take pleasure in taking a life. "All who draw the sword will die by the sword", violence is exponential, yet more proof.

[Mewtwo-D2]

And M2, I see your point. You've had traumatic experiences and you want revenge. Quite human. To err is human, to forgive, divine. While I'm not saying that you should forgive sexual assault, I'm saying that you should stop fantasizing about killing people, really, life is too short to waste with dreams like that. Now I'm sorry if you've become so much like that which you despise the most that you would take pleasure in taking a life. "All who draw the sword will die by the sword", violence is exponential, yet more proof.

I fail to see how being prepared for the eventuality of being on the receiving end of sexual assault and dealing with it appropriately is 'fantasizing about killing people'. I don't make it an active part in my life, and I don't know that I would feel anything other than grim satisfaction that one more predator was out of the world if it came down to me killing a sexual predator.

I also fail to see how refusing to be victimized again makes me like the people who made me a victim.