Gun Control: Hot or Not?

[Last Exile]

1. You didn't have a big army then, granted. You have the biggest army in the world now, you have numerous armed police forces. They are your protection. I don't recall being vigilante as being a factor for the greater good. Furthermore, the 2nd Amendment wasn't written for the general public. It was written for STATE MILITAS! NOT for the general public. The 2nd Amendment was taken out of context from Day 1 and still is. That's American History. You are not in a war, you are not under attack. Stop living in fear!

2. You have just admitted you live in constant fear! Fear of being overrun, fear of being defenseless, fear or not being able to stick it to someone who sticks it to you?! If you're meant to be the greatest democracy on Earth, what the bloody hell do you have to fear?! You've got the bombs, you've got the armies, the power but you're still afraid. Because the world no longer lives in awe of the US. And we shouldn't. Is that not the definition of a tyranny? Why on earth should 6 billion other people live the way that a country that has only 270 odd million decides is fit for the rest of the world? This isn't colonial times, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Cold War, Gulf War. Wars in the Middle East are fought far, far away from your comfy home where you can sleep at night without the worry of a shell blowing you to smithereens or militia running into your home. What the bloody hell do you have to fear? Criminals. Okay. You make guns and ammo so easily obtainable that anyone with the moolah could access them even if they're the biggest dickbrain alive. So make them unaccessible. I repeat - every other bloody country that ever outlawed guns had their critics, but you know what? We're much safer for having done so!

3. Tyranny? TYRANNY?! You call disarming the general population tyrannical?! Well excuse me! Australia wanted them banned after we had, and what still is, the biggest gun massacre in modern history. Yes, we did. Martin Bryant, a very mentally sick person, bought a gun via normal means and randomly killed 35 people, for which he is imprisoned for life and will never see the light of day. That's more than Virgina, than Columbine, than all of them. How did we feel? Bloody mortified. We didn't want anyone to do this again! So we banned those bloody guns. But we do allow the odd but of game hunting, we do allow recreational use of guns under appropriate conditions. Even professional shooters/gun-users in Australia don't have problems with it. They think this is just fine and that it is for the greater good. Australia, England, virtually all of the western block of Europe, India - guns are illegal and the population wanted that to be so! Even countries with larger populations with yours have far less gun-related deaths than yours. And here's the strange part - the other forms of crime DON'T go up to compensate! That is a complete load of crap. There is a difference between perception and truth. If you honestly believe everything a gangster or crook says, you are a prisoner of fear. If you believe everything the media says, you are a prisoner of fear for they are the biggest circulators of it. You are a prisoner of their tyrrany. There is truth in the media, but only when it is profitable. If fear and lies are profitable, they will do whatever it takes to make you believe that. You are a prisoner of fear and they have won the battle versus people like you.

4. So shoot them before they shoot you? That's really responsible. You've just admitted once again, you live in fear and terror of what MIGHT happen! Yes, what MIGHT happen! There is a dark side to humanity, bad things happen because ultimately there is the capability for anyone to be evil. OF COURSE VIOLENT CRIME IS GOING TO HAPPEN! Did I ever bloody say it didn't?! Don't put words into my mouth or twist what I said. Crimes happen because of people. THAT'S WHY THE POLICE EXIST! Police may not be perfect but for the greater part they do their bloody job. We may not approve of all their means but they get the job done and they make the world a safer place. YOU ARE NOT THE LAW! So you think having a weapon and having the right to kill someone, just because it's in self defense, makes you any better than a criminal?! Killing someone is killing someone, murder is murder. Unless it is in war, on the battlefield, IT'S MURDER. It's vigilante warfare. Yeah, that's living free - not. No thanks, I don't want to live like that.

5. You are deluded if you think all tyrannical governments disarm the population. Iran, Iraq before Saddam's fall, Yemen, North Korea, the African states under tyrannical rule. They were all given the right to bear arms. And look what happened to them. Look what happened to them once they decided to arm themselves once their loonie took over. Living in constant fear, believing in the right to bear arms against the POTENTIAL of being attacked. This line of thinking, of fear of the unknown - this is what breeds paranoia and being a prisoner of fear. This ISN'T freedom. It's the exact opposite.

Your argument falls flat. Your claims are as ill-founded as any I have ever seen. You contradict yourself every few sentences. You are a prisoner of the fear and tyranny that you claims to be against and free of. You fail at aruging, at history, but most of all, as being a free person. You are the opposite. You have done everything criminals and terrorists wanted people like you to do. You are a prisoner of fear. You are a prisoner of self-inflicted tyranny. You are the ultimate failure.

You are the ultimate failure.

[DarkTemplarZero]

Mewtwo you fail at life, but that's beside the point. Just kidding, I love you You're my favorite crazy murderous maniac, outside of perhaps Tommy Vercetti, but he's not real.

1) LE said all there has to be said.
2) Lucky now most of the continent is rather safe and there are people to enforce the law, eh?
3) Wrong, the first thing every dictator did was wipe out the opposition and declare it illegal to stand against him. But yeah, it's well known that reality has a liberal bias, we'll discredit that >.<
4) Yes they are primitive and bad, so you'd better stop it. I don't understand why Christian people seem to love killing each other so much, what do you not understand about "thou shalt not kill"?
5) That's a load of crap and you know it. There is incredibly strict gun control in Tokyo, and there is an average of 200 homicides per year for a population of ~ 12 million and a relatively small police force. Los Angeles ranges from about 600-1000 per year, with a population of only 4 million and a massive police department.
6) Oh please, take your head out of the gutter for one second and realize that life is not entirely a nuclear bomb that a dog just took a diarrhea shit all over.

Hahah Last Exile that quote was classic. "You are the ultimate failure" AHAHAHAHAH I'm laughing hysterically here, so straightforward, so blunt, I love it.

[Last Exile]

Japan's problems stem from their strict, interdependent culture and high living costs and high expectations. Failure isn't tolerated in Japan so when you fail, you either kill someone else or yourself. I wouldn't claim to know the reasons in the US, I haven't look into that section enough,

[Mewtwo-D2]

[QUOTE=Last Exile;328098]1. You didn't have a big army then, granted. You have the biggest army in the world now, you have numerous armed police forces. They are your protection. I don't recall being vigilante as being a factor for the greater good. Furthermore, the 2nd Amendment wasn't written for the general public. It was written for STATE MILITAS! NOT for the general public. The 2nd Amendment was taken out of context from Day 1 and still is. That's American History. You are not in a war, you are not under attack. Stop living in fear![\quote]

Wrong- Supreme Court says the military and the police are not here to protect individuals, but to uphold the law. If someone is getting robbed and calls the police, they don't have to do shit. Your property is not their concern. As for State Militias- EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES IS IN THE MILITIA! The militia applies to every able-bodied citizen. I can go get a friend of mine who set up the Pittsburgh Militia, and I can go find the laws on it, but every able-bodied citizen is part of the militia by default.

2. You have just admitted you live in constant fear! Fear of being overrun, fear of being defenseless, fear or not being able to stick it to someone who sticks it to you?! If you're meant to be the greatest democracy on Earth, what the bloody hell do you have to fear?!

How about rape and armed robbery?

You've got the bombs, you've got the armies, the power but you're still afraid. Because the world no longer lives in awe of the US.

What in the blue fuck does the world community have to do whether private citizens of the United States attempt to assault other private citizens of the United States? Is the World Community going to protect my property?

And we shouldn't. Is that not the definition of a tyranny? Why on earth should 6 billion other people live the way that a country that has only 270 odd million decides is fit for the rest of the world? This isn't colonial times, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Cold War, Gulf War.

Who ever said you had to live the way the US does? Not me. I said I am not letting some bureaucrat comfy in his soft chair deprive me of my rights.

Wars in the Middle East are fought far, far away from your comfy home where you can sleep at night without the worry of a shell blowing you to smithereens or militia running into your home. What the bloody hell do you have to fear? Criminals. Okay. You make guns and ammo so easily obtainable that anyone with the moolah could access them even if they're the biggest dickbrain alive. So make them unaccessible. I repeat - every other bloody country that ever outlawed guns had their critics, but you know what? We're much safer for having done so!

Safer, unless you're a woman. Actually, male rape is a pretty big problem too- I know at least five women who were raped, molested, or sexually assaulted. Two of them had mace. You are giving criminals carte blanche to do whatever they want.

3. Tyranny? TYRANNY?! You call disarming the general population tyrannical?! Well excuse me! Australia wanted them banned after we had, and what still is, the biggest gun massacre in modern history. Yes, we did. Martin Bryant, a very mentally sick person, bought a gun via normal means and randomly killed 35 people, for which he is imprisoned for life and will never see the light of day. That's more than Virgina, than Columbine, than all of them. How did we feel? Bloody mortified. We didn't want anyone to do this again! So we banned those bloody guns. But we do allow the odd but of game hunting, we do allow recreational use of guns under appropriate conditions. Even professional shooters/gun-users in Australia don't have problems with it. They think this is just fine and that it is for the greater good. Australia, England, virtually all of the western block of Europe, India - guns are illegal and the population wanted that to be so! Even countries with larger populations with yours have far less gun-related deaths than yours. And here's the strange part - the other forms of crime DON'T go up to compensate! That is a complete load of crap. There is a difference between perception and truth. If you honestly believe everything a gangster or crook says, you are a prisoner of fear. If you believe everything the media says, you are a prisoner of fear for they are the biggest circulators of it. You are a prisoner of their tyrrany. There is truth in the media, but only when it is profitable. If fear and lies are profitable, they will do whatever it takes to make you believe that. You are a prisoner of fear and they have won the battle versus people like you.

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.co...tist/id14.html

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State." -- Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's SS leader.

"Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We wouldn’t let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?"
Joseph Stalin

"If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves."
Joseph Stalin

http://www.jpfo.org/deathgc.htm

Congratulations- you guys have a lot in common.

4. So shoot them before they shoot you? That's really responsible. You've just admitted once again, you live in fear and terror of what MIGHT happen! Yes, what MIGHT happen!

So, you'd have sex without a condom because it's living in fear to assume the girl MIGHT get pregnant, or you MIGHT get an STD?

There is a dark side to humanity, bad things happen because ultimately there is the capability for anyone to be evil. OF COURSE VIOLENT CRIME IS GOING TO HAPPEN! Did I ever bloody say it didn't?! Don't put words into my mouth or twist what I said. Crimes happen because of people. THAT'S WHY THE POLICE EXIST! Police may not be perfect but for the greater part they do their bloody job.

So, if I am getting raped, I can get to the phone and call them! And they'll materialize at my side and pull the dickweed off of me?

We may not approve of all their means but they get the job done and they make the world a safer place. YOU ARE NOT THE LAW! So you think having a weapon and having the right to kill someone, just because it's in self defense, makes you any better than a criminal?! Killing someone is killing someone, murder is murder. Unless it is in war, on the battlefield, IT'S MURDER. It's vigilante warfare. Yeah, that's living free - not. No thanks, I don't want to live like that.

Murder is murder. Yeah- people still die on the battlefeild. If it's kill or be killed, I am not a criminal. If someone tries to kill me, I will kill them first to preserve my rights. I'm not saying that it happens often, but if it has to come down to my life versus the person who is trying to rape or kill me, they are going to be killed by me.

5. You are deluded if you think all tyrannical governments disarm the population. Iran, Iraq before Saddam's fall, Yemen, North Korea, the African states under tyrannical rule. They were all given the right to bear arms. And look what happened to them. Look what happened to them once they decided to arm themselves once their loonie took over. Living in constant fear, believing in the right to bear arms against the POTENTIAL of being attacked. This line of thinking, of fear of the unknown - this is what breeds paranoia and being a prisoner of fear. This ISN'T freedom. It's the exact opposite.

So sex without condoms, drive with no seat belt, non-perishable food and savings accounts be damned! Accepting that the worst CAN happen is simple common sense. You refuse to accept that the worst can happen, you invite it. If I never get assaulted or raped, good! I never want to get assaulted! But an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I arm myself against the possibility that one day someone is going to assault me.

Your argument falls flat. Your claims are as ill-founded as any I have ever seen. You contradict yourself every few sentences. You are a prisoner of the fear and tyranny that you claims to be against and free of. You fail at aruging, at history, but most of all, as being a free person. You are the opposite. You have done everything criminals and terrorists wanted people like you to do. You are a prisoner of fear. You are a prisoner of self-inflicted tyranny. You are the ultimate failure.

You are the ultimate failure.

You are a naive little child. You think that the world always works out just the way you plan? And you think preparing for the possibility of bad things happening is being a prisoner of fear?

I drive a car- I need to buy gas, get tune-ups, and carry a spare tire. Most of the time, my car will run fine- last year I had two flat tires, a burst coolant hose, and a broken horn. My spare tire helped get me off the side of the road and home, my emergency kit helped me fix the coolant hose, and my spare fuses helped me fix the horn. I bought all of them when the car was working fine.

I live in a house- I need to keep a battery-powered radio, have candles/gas lamps, and have a reliable phoneline when the power goes out. Last year the power went out 6 times- four times at night. Snowstorms and thunderstorms knocked the power out. Once it was out for 12 hours. Luckily, I was able to keep in contact with the power company, and was able to not fall down my stairs and hurt myself, thanks to my flashlight.


I am a female- I can get pregnant. If I choose to have sex, I would choose to use birth control, because I don't want to have children right now. If I was having sex with someone I didn't know was clean, I'd use a condom to make sure I wouldn't get an STD. As a woman, I'm also more at risk to get raped than men. I am less strong than the average man, so I am less likely to successfully fend off an attack without a weapon.

I have a body- it gets sick sometimes. I go to the dentist to keep my teeth from falling out and to the doctor to keep my body healthy. My mother died of breast cancer at an early age, so once I hit 25, I will get yearly mammograms. Apparently that's being a prisoner of fear.


I am realistic. I hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. I'd like to know how you all get along with your cars that never break down, your houses that never run out of power, your supernatural protection from all forms of crime, your sex partners who never get pregnant and are always clean, your always perfect teeth, and your always perfect health. If you could pass the secret on to me, I'd be happy to hear it.