Debate: Constructive ways to deal with the Illegal Immigrants in the US

[Heald]

Me. Illegal immigration (and immigration in general) is a bit of a hot topic in the UK as well. Basically, despite the UK being one of the EU's smaller countries, we face highly disproportionate levels of both legal and illegal immigration due to the higher wages and better standards of living. Also, if you're against immigration or if you're for imposing limits on immigration, that apparently makes you a racist.

Unfortunately, the Home Office, the UK's branch of government that deals with immigration, currently has no idea how many immigrants, either legal or illegal, are in the country and it is a state of disrepair. Obviously the Home Office has never heard of windows: considering they live in London, it should be obvious that if they looked out of their window, they'd see homeless Eastern Europeans and Africans begging on the streets, or ghettoes of purely one foreign nationality with 2 bedroom houses with 14 people residing in each of them.

Of course, the Home Office wants to be seen actually doing something to curb immigration to the UK. One idea would be to show that they are stamping down on illegals by deporting some of them. Who do they start with?

Er, Al Bangura, a beloved Watford football player and father of a newborn baby. Yes, you take one of the immigrants that is actually doing some work and is loved by tens of thousands, and refuse to renew his work permit to generate publicity.

Of course, this went down about as well as a racist joke at a NAACP conference.

The main problems Britain is facing at the moment due to immigration:

- Language barriers: classrooms filled with Eastern-European, Middle-Eastern, Asian and African children who cannot speak a single word of English.
- Towns wasting hundreds of thousands of pounds putting road-signs in both English and Polish to be more 'politically-correct'.
- Crime caused by Eastern-European mafias that have come over to this country.
- Crime caused within the ghettoes and the violence that occurs between gangs of different nationalities, plus race-motivated attacks and murders.
- Polish beer being served in pubs. Not really a huge problem but I prefer a good ale over their watered down horse-piss.
- School kitchens having to be outfitted so that halal food can be served for disproportionate Muslim populations.
- The rise of faith schools to cater for immigrants that cause huge social divides.

This list isn't exhaustive, but gives an indication of the kinds of problems we're facing.

I'm not really sure how well immigration is handled in the US and what kinds of problems it is generating (dey took ma jerb!) but if it is anything like the Home Office is handling our immigration problems, you people are fucked.

[Roy Karrde]

I'm not really sure how well immigration is handled in the US and what kinds of problems it is generating (dey took ma jerb!) but if it is anything like the Home Office is handling our immigration problems, you people are fucked.

Your list is pretty much the same as in the US, except that we get one extra problem. With the immigrants it isnt the entire family that is immigrated, it is only one or two. That one or two then ships all their extra money back to their family, causing us to lose billions each year.

shoot on sight.

Short term that would fix the problem, but long term you have to face with shooting children, shooting people that strap kids on them as a shield. As well as gangs and smugglers packing heavy weapons to fire back at the border agents.

Those that are in the country illegally should be deported, though. At least focus on deporting the ones that cause problems.

Agreed, but the lazy responce to that is that, we have 12 million immigrants here, atleast 2 million causing problems. How can you deport so many people?

[Heald]

Agreed, but the lazy responce to that is that, we have 12 million immigrants here, atleast 2 million causing problems. How can you deport so many people?

You have to think of the lesser of two evils. Either you keep them here and either try and spend money assimilating them to your culture so that they don't cause trouble or spend money cleaning up after them (e.g. through extra police, emergency services etc.), or you spend that money deporting them, only for a portion of them to come back over the border again.

Alternatively, drawing inspiration from kainashi's post, make it so committing a crime while being an illegal immigrant a capital crime, or send them to Gitmo or something where they have no rights. It would certainly deter illegals from committing crime.

[Blademaster]

Alternatively, drawing inspiration from kainashi's post, make it so committing a crime while being an illegal immigrant a capital crime, or send them to Gitmo or something where they have no rights. It would certainly deter illegals from committing crime.